Whats It Mean To Be A Raven

[TheRavenouseD2008]

guys with the recent WR controversy I see one thing brought up a lot and I mean A LOT we need to stop as fans and think whats it really mean for us to want a player to suit up under our colors, do we want some one who is going to make negative headlines time and time again but get us super bowls, do we mind a mediocre player in place of the prior spoken if he will try to perform and fits well in the program where outside he was poor he is now a valued asset cause of something he brings unique that other teams didn't see. Guess what I am hinting at is do we want to see our expectations of a player on the field override our good conscience off the field , do we want to be a cowboys or a Bengals where we hirer out of desperation some one we know is going to fail please remember we tried in the 90's that same thing by hirering Bam Morris he was later bust a 3rd and 4th time with cocaine in his system , also what would you expect if you had ozzies job a player you dont know if he will make through the season with out drawing negative headlines or one that will only draw those type from a bad game as apose to red and blue lights?

[Alexir]

Well you said "make negative headlines time and time again but get us super bowls". Think that answers it right there. You play to win the game.

[RavenFever]

As far as it goes, I don't think we ever 'go after' mediocre players. Otherwise, players with negative history depends on if it really represents 'long running problems' or something rare.

I don't think off field distractions are good for team chemistry.

[TheRavenouseD2008]

[quote name='Alexir' date='20 July 2009 - 07:06 PM' timestamp='1248131196' post='208646']
Well you said "make negative headlines time and time again but get us super bowls". Think that answers it right there. You play to win the game.
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sorry to say this we arent jerry jones and we arent the raiders just win baby doesnt work for this team , we tried that. didn't fit us, so guess ytou answered us in an interesting light gave us the real answer win a superbowl and lose the player every few years till the league kicks him out

[BloodRaven]

Wins.

Bottom line.

[lowrider]

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/News/Articles/2009/06/Whats_the_Risk_With_Character.aspx

Depending on the player and how many times they have gotten in trouble and if I think there can be a change. In desperation to win many things can happen. But a lot of times greed doesn't pay off. I don't mind players that get in trouble (such as Jamal Lewis who made a stupid mistake when he was 19 but didn't repeat the offense and learned from his lesson). Repeating offenders don't just change. Maybe I'm just a cynical person and don't think people can change but that is just me

[TheRavenouseD2008]

[quote name='lowrider' date='20 July 2009 - 10:29 PM' timestamp='1248143370' post='208720']
http://www.baltimoreravens.com/News/Articles/2009/06/Whats_the_Risk_With_Character.aspx

Depending on the player and how many times they have gotten in trouble and if I think there can be a change. In desperation to win many things can happen. But a lot of times greed doesn't pay off. I don't mind players that get in trouble (such as Jamal Lewis who made a stupid mistake when he was 19 but didn't repeat the offense and learned from his lesson). Repeating offenders don't just change. Maybe I'm just a cynical person and don't think people can change but that is just me
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this was what I was talking about , we had 2 players that got in trouble one not only learned his lesson but he is now on his way to retiring a raven. tell me why we fans should pay a penalty , the penalty of shame in our teams off field behavior . anything DUI to domestic violence , if you got kids you understand , I will one day tell my daughter about what happened with Ray Lewis and why he turned his life arround , he is a true lesson learned . from shame to mvp people said he didnt deserve it now he has the RLF that helps needy family and kids of DV Homes. what it truly means to be a Raven is to represent an orginization of integrity , reason bart scott was let walk in my opinion was his anger issue , he started to lose control case in point our third game against pittsburg he nearly got in 2 fist fights during a defensive series, does this fit a raven on the field no, bam morris was let go in 1998 why because of off the field antics involving cocain. once again did he fit us off the field no. the point is integrety is key, you want a hienze ward fine you build a team you sign people of his mold on the field cheapshot artists , you want chris henry ok go to betty ford and pick one up but please as a Raven Fan with a child I want to see a team with integrity so my daughter doesnt ask daddy if its ok fo him to do illegal things then can I.

[Moderator 2]

Men that represent themselves well in their personal life, I think, will be more apt to be team players and be less distracted and not cause a distraction to the team. If a guy is thinking about his next fix, or drink, or court date he may not give it his all.

[Alexir]

[quote name='TheRavenouseD2008' date='20 July 2009 - 08:23 PM' timestamp='1248135780' post='208677']
sorry to say this we arent jerry jones and we arent the raiders just win baby doesnt work for this team , we tried that. didn't fit us, so guess ytou answered us in an interesting light gave us the real answer win a superbowl and lose the player every few years till the league kicks him out
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Work on your posts then because you said a player that will win us Superbowls....feel free to hit edit

[flynismo]

[quote name='lowrider' date='20 July 2009 - 10:29 PM' timestamp='1248143370' post='208720']
[url="http://www.baltimoreravens.com/News/Articles/2009/06/Whats_the_Risk_With_Character.aspx"]http://www.baltimore..._Character.aspx[/url]

Depending on the player and how many times they have gotten in trouble and if I think there can be a change. In desperation to win many things can happen. But a lot of times greed doesn't pay off. I don't mind players that get in trouble (such as Jamal Lewis who made a stupid mistake when he was 19 but didn't repeat the offense and learned from his lesson). Repeating offenders don't just change. Maybe I'm just a cynical person and don't think people can change but that is just me
[/quote]

Oh, I know for a fact that repeat offenders can change very quickly, if given the proper motivation.
Therein lies the problem.....finding the proper motivation.

[jfc13]

[quote name='lowrider' date='20 July 2009 - 10:29 PM' timestamp='1248143370' post='208720']
Depending on the player and how many times they have gotten in trouble and if I think there can be a change. In desperation to win many things can happen. But a lot of times greed doesn't pay off. I don't mind players that get in trouble (such as Jamal Lewis who made a stupid mistake when he was 19 but didn't repeat the offense and learned from his lesson). Repeating offenders don't just change. Maybe I'm just a cynical person and don't think people can change but that is just me
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I agree with all you said except I'm a little less cynical - I think sometimes repeat offenders can change. Unfortunately, it is hard to determine when they will decide to do that, and if it will "stick", so it's tricky knowing when to trust them.

[quote name='TheRavenouseD2008' date='20 July 2009 - 11:49 PM' timestamp='1248148194' post='208740']
this was what I was talking about , we had 2 players that got in trouble one not only learned his lesson but he is now on his way to retiring a raven. tell me why we fans should pay a penalty , the penalty of shame in our teams off field behavior . anything DUI to domestic violence , if you got kids you understand , I will one day tell my daughter about what happened with Ray Lewis and why he turned his life arround , he is a true lesson learned . from shame to mvp people said he didnt deserve it now he has the RLF that helps needy family and kids of DV Homes. what it truly means to be a Raven is to represent an orginization of integrity , reason bart scott was let walk in my opinion was his anger issue , he started to lose control case in point our third game against pittsburg he nearly got in 2 fist fights during a defensive series, does this fit a raven on the field no, bam morris was let go in 1998 why because of off the field antics involving cocain. once again did he fit us off the field no. the point is integrety is key, you want a hienze ward fine you build a team you sign people of his mold on the field cheapshot artists , you want chris henry ok go to betty ford and pick one up but please as a Raven Fan with a child I want to see a team with integrity so my daughter doesnt ask daddy if its ok fo him to do illegal things then can I.
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Nice, heartfelt post. I think your daughter is going to be fine with a caring dad like you.

[quote name='flynismo' date='21 July 2009 - 05:02 AM' timestamp='1248166944' post='208764']
Oh, I know for a fact that repeat offenders can change very quickly, if given the proper motivation.
Therein lies the problem.....finding the proper motivation.
[/quote]
Good point.

[TheRavenouseD2008]

[quote name='Alexir' date='21 July 2009 - 02:38 AM' timestamp='1248158338' post='208760']
Work on your posts then because you said a player that will win us Superbowls....feel free to hit edit
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please feel free to hit your sarcasm detector any time

[atcsraven]

[quote name='TheRavenouseD2008' date='20 July 2009 - 06:47 PM' timestamp='1248130027' post='208641']
guys with the recent WR controversy I see one thing brought up a lot and I mean A LOT we need to stop as fans and think whats it really mean for us to want a player to suit up under our colors, do we want some one who is going to make negative headlines time and time again but get us super bowls, do we mind a mediocre player in place of the prior spoken if he will try to perform and fits well in the program where outside he was poor he is now a valued asset cause of something he brings unique that other teams didn't see. Guess what I am hinting at is do we want to see our expectations of a player on the field override our good conscience off the field , do we want to be a cowboys or a Bengals where we hirer out of desperation some one we know is going to fail please remember we tried in the 90's that same thing by hirering Bam Morris he was later bust a 3rd and 4th time with cocaine in his system , also what would you expect if you had ozzies job a player you dont know if he will make through the season with out drawing negative headlines or one that will only draw those type from a bad game as apose to red and blue lights?
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I understand what this poster is writing. I agree off field distractions can seriously ruin a teams unity. Oz does a fantastic job selecting people that are high in character and low on controversy. Besides the Ray Lewis debacle, what can any opposing team fan mock the Ravens for? We've been to the show too. I think it's possible to find high caliber athletes that have good morals as well. We do it year after year.

[BaltimoreColtsFan]

its disappointing that this even needs to be discussed. But it does...

[TheRavenouseD2008]

[quote name='BaltimoreColtsFan' date='21 July 2009 - 11:46 AM' timestamp='1248191218' post='208815']
its disappointing that this even needs to be discussed. But it does...
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I didnt want to have to start this topic but the many marshall threads made me think we needed to discus this with the younger fans seeming to not understand my position , I am glad some one does and understands why I did it.

[BaltimoreColtsFan]

Stuff like sportmansship and fair play is hokey to some people, but it makes sense to me.
It can even win games!
Build a strong, moral team based on virtues and you will have a proud city, win or lose, and maybe a superbowl victory too.
The older I get, the smarter my father was.

[TheRavenouseD2008]

I hate having to bring a thread back to the top , with people crying lets bring some one in reguardless look what some wideouts did to teams when was the last time TO went to a team didnt leave it in shambles and why ME ME ME Attitude , wow too many people looking up to the Dennis Rodmans of sports . why do you want to be the " bad Boys of the league and end up like the cowboys and the raiders are now, guess you must be to young to remember oh how they fell and its because of that very same mentality lets not go there people I will keep moving this thread back up to the top until people get the hint