Nfl Top 10 Show: Most Controversial Calls

[jfc13]

Did anyone else see the NFL network show counting the top 10 controversial calls?

The Steelers were in THREE of the top TEN! And [unless I'm remembering wrong] were the recipients of the favorable side of all of those calls. They also showed other calls that didn't make the countdown. The Steelers were in some of those and in those cases, they were still the "lucky" ones.

Now, these are [i]controversial [/i]calls, not necessarily [i]wrong[/i] calls, but to have the Steelers always get the benefit of the call was pretty interesting.

Things that make you go "Hmmmmmmmmm".

[berad]

I thought they got the one where Jerome Bettis called [i]"he-tails"[/i].

Hahahaha that one made my soul sing. The Steelers lost to the Lions on Thanksgiving lol.

[jfc13]

Oh, yeah, they showed that, but only as a lead-in to a controversial call that that referee made later, and how the culmination of a few calls led to him being blamed more for the later "countdown" call. Or something like that.

Still, you're right. That's one "controversial" call that went against the Steelers - but he did start to say "heads" first and changed his mind. Maybe they should have reflipped. Or stop this "call it in the air" method and change it to "call it before I toss it, so I'm clear what you really want".

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='jfc13' date='19 July 2009 - 10:44 AM' timestamp='1248014663' post='208236']


Now, these are [i]controversial [/i]calls, not necessarily [i]wrong[/i] calls, but to have the Steelers always get the benefit of the call was pretty interesting.

Things that make you go "Hmmmmmmmmm".
[/quote]

how about in the chargers game last year when they didnt count the TD return because they called it an illegal forward pass when it was obviously not

[ROH522155]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' date='19 July 2009 - 12:00 PM' timestamp='1248022827' post='208253']
how about in the chargers game last year when they didnt count the TD return because they called it an illegal forward pass when it was obviously not
[/quote]


yea but that had no effect on the game whatsoever because it was the last play

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='ravensorioleshoyas522155' date='19 July 2009 - 01:21 PM' timestamp='1248024067' post='208257']
yea but that had no effect on the game whatsoever because it was the last play
[/quote]

it stole a TD from troys legacy.....thats a big deal to me

[ROH522155]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' date='19 July 2009 - 01:37 PM' timestamp='1248028663' post='208283']
it stole a TD from troys legacy.....thats a big deal to me
[/quote]
Well I don't think 1 TD (or non touchdown) will take away from Mr. Polamalu's legacy.

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='ravensorioleshoyas522155' date='20 July 2009 - 12:18 AM' timestamp='1248063518' post='208419']
Well I don't think 1 TD (or non touchdown) will take away from Mr. Polamalu's legacy.
[/quote]

an extra touchdown is never a bad thing

but regardless its still a call that went against us

[Marc2k6]

There is a reason why the stealers are always on the right side of Controversial calls. The answer lies in the name of the team, "pittsburgh stealer's"!

[jfc13]

SteelersProphet, I didn't mean to imply that the Steelers ALWAYS get the call in their favor - all right, I said that, but I meant for the plays on the show... all the clips they had on the show [except for the one that berad mentioned] favored the Steelers.

Even if most of the controversial calls go the Steelers way, it wouldn't mean that the team had anything to do with it. Good teams get the calls. I think it's a subconscious thing that referees and umpires have: in case of a tie, the better team must have made the better play.

Also the home team has a slight advantage. The referees want to live, after all.

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='jfc13' date='20 July 2009 - 02:16 PM' timestamp='1248113800' post='208538']
SteelersProphet, I didn't mean to imply that the Steelers ALWAYS get the call in their favor - all right, I said that, but I meant for the plays on the show... all the clips they had on the show [except for the one that berad mentioned] favored the Steelers.

Even if most of the controversial calls go the Steelers way, it wouldn't mean that the team had anything to do with it. Good teams get the calls. I think it's a subconscious thing that referees and umpires have: in case of a tie, the better team must have made the better play.

Also the home team has a slight advantage. The referees want to live, after all.
[/quote]

i will agree that we got alot of calls called our way....but that doesnt mean that they were the wrong calls

the only call from last year that went our way that i think was clearly wrong....was when we got the first down in the second ravens game...we werent even close

but all the other calls IMO were close calls but right calls

[jfc13]

I know that they aren't all wrong calls, I tried to make it clear in my initial post that these were [i]controversial[/i] calls, not necessarily [i]wrong[/i] calls - but for most controversial calls, that is, calls close enough for a dispute, to go the way of one team, is... interesting.

Also, I didn't mention earlier, because I can't remember exactly which or how many, but I distinctly remember at least one of the top 10 that went the Steelers way that I thought was the right call - but it was controversial because it was a close call and, of course, the other team and their fans will see it the other way. It's only natural that our viewpoint is skewed toward the team we are fans of. Just like when you said all the other close calls were the right calls. I'm sure some of them were, but probably not all, but then, since my viewpoint would be the opposite of yours, I'm not the one to make the decision, either.

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='jfc13' date='20 July 2009 - 04:39 PM' timestamp='1248122349' post='208580']
It's only natural that our viewpoint is skewed toward the team we are fans of. Just like when you said all the other close calls were the right calls. I'm sure some of them were, but probably not all, but then, since my viewpoint would be the opposite of yours, I'm not the one to make the decision, either.
[/quote]

your right that if we can defend the reason the call was made we tend to side with our own team but thats just natural.......thats why i said IMO because i know alot of people disagree with me on atleast one call(holmes TD)

[edreedfromtheu]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' date='20 July 2009 - 04:10 PM' timestamp='1248120616' post='208570']
i will agree that we got alot of calls called our way....but that doesnt mean that they were the wrong calls

the only call from last year that went our way that i think was clearly wrong....was when we got the first down in the second ravens game...we werent even close

but all the other calls IMO were close calls but right calls
[/quote]

Ummm, how about the Derrick Mason touchdown in the first meeting last year... that the officials didn't count? That certainly didn't go the Ravens way.

And let's not forget the ridiculous unsportsmanlike penalties the Ravens ALWAYS seem to get, and yet the Steelers never! Want an example? Hines Ward and Jarret Johnson are TANGLED UP! They're already on eachother, battling, blocking, pushing eachother. They are near the sideline, whether they crossed it or not... I don't know... but they were close to it. Johnson pushes Hines away to break them apart. The push isn't hard enough to knock Hines down or anything like that, and Hines didn't flop to sell it either. And a flag comes out for THAT? And as soon as the flag comes out... another Steelers comes from behind Johnson and is grabbing his neck and head and just trying to twist it off. How is the first one even a penalty? And how is the second one not at LEAST an offsetting penalty? There are many more, but I'm sure you'll come up with some kind of excuse why the Ravens are "dirty" and the Steelers just "play hard."

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' date='20 July 2009 - 05:21 PM' timestamp='1248124893' post='208613']
Ummm, how about the Derrick Mason touchdown in the first meeting last year... that the officials didn't count? That certainly didn't go the Ravens way.
[/quote]

your right it went against the ravens but i never made any comment saying ravens get all the calls

[Perfekt]

i didnt see this mentioned but this play had me p/o when we got that roughing the kicker penalty against the steelers.

[ravensgirlx88]

I wrote something about a few of the Steelers calls and the call ALWAYS always ALWAYS favoring Pittsburgh. Check it out.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/93620-baltimore-ravens-come-up-short-after-two-controversial-calls

[neepo13]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' date='20 July 2009 - 05:21 PM' timestamp='1248124893' post='208613']
Ummm, how about the Derrick Mason touchdown in the first meeting last year... that the officials didn't count? That certainly didn't go the Ravens way.

And let's not forget the ridiculous unsportsmanlike penalties the Ravens ALWAYS seem to get, and yet the Steelers never! Want an example? Hines Ward and Jarret Johnson are TANGLED UP! They're already on eachother, battling, blocking, pushing eachother. They are near the sideline, whether they crossed it or not... I don't know... but they were close to it. Johnson pushes Hines away to break them apart. The push isn't hard enough to knock Hines down or anything like that, and Hines didn't flop to sell it either. And a flag comes out for THAT? And as soon as the flag comes out... another Steelers comes from behind Johnson and is grabbing his neck and head and just trying to twist it off. How is the first one even a penalty? And how is the second one not at LEAST an offsetting penalty? There are many more, but I'm sure you'll come up with some kind of excuse why the Ravens are "dirty" and the Steelers just "play hard."
[/quote]

It was ticky tack but Johnson wasnt completely blameless, he could have avoided it. Johnson could have walked away, he didnt have to give the extra shove.

The one that ticked me off the most was in game two. The Steelers were punting and we were about to get the ball back. But their punter gives an award winning performance and convinces the refs that he was hit by Edgar Jones and he CLEARLY hadnt been hit. It wasnt even close. If anything Berger was the one that intiated the contact. But the Ravens get hit with the 15 yard penalty, Steelers get to run out the clock on the half.

Dont read Harbaugh's lips on this one,lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6U1jP2cueU

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' date='20 July 2009 - 05:21 PM' timestamp='1248124893' post='208613']


And let's not forget the ridiculous unsportsmanlike penalties the Ravens ALWAYS seem to get, and yet the Steelers never! [/quote]

really the ravens always get called

how about the play in the championship game that broke bens ribs......he threw the ball away well before two ravens hit him front and back.....no flag it happens

[Reddawn36]

meh I've learned not too worry myself about these calls once the day is over, cause at the end of the day, there is nothing I can do too get it changed, **** happens, we learn to live with it, no need to have a stress attack about bad calls, everyone gets on the good and bad side of them... but as fans, we only see the bad

[edreedfromtheu]

[quote name='Reddawn36' date='22 July 2009 - 12:23 PM' timestamp='1248279789' post='209074']
meh I've learned not too worry myself about these calls once the day is over, cause at the end of the day, there is nothing I can do too get it changed, **** happens, we learn to live with it, no need to have a stress attack about bad calls, everyone gets on the good and bad side of them... but as fans, we only see the bad
[/quote]

You're right... there is nothing we can do about it. We're just making sure everyone knows why the Steelers seem to "win" so many close games and the Ravens seem to always lose them.

[edreedfromtheu]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' date='22 July 2009 - 09:15 AM' timestamp='1248268510' post='209050']
really the ravens always get called

how about the play in the championship game that broke bens ribs......he threw the ball away well before two ravens hit him front and back.....no flag it happens
[/quote]

Okay, that's an opinion though. There's no official time from when a QB releases the football to when it stops being okay to hit him. You know what I mean? Maybe they were late, I don't have the video to look at it again, but maybe they weren't too late?

But the calls I'm disputing are black and white. Mason has the ball in the endzone... and never loses possession. The roughing the kicker call that everyone is complaining about... you can see that he was never touched! His planting leg was allowed to land on the ground and was not rolled into. He was never touched. He jumped in the air and leg-dropped the Raven player. The Suggs "hand to the face" call... first of all wasn't a penalty because he didn't grab on to anything. Second, it shouldn't be 15 yards because there was no twist or anything else. I can give officials slack for stupid rules that the league does not clearly define and leaves room for opinion(such as how late is too late to hit a QB). But these calls that are either one way or the other, and they get them wrong... always go against the Ravens.

NOT saying they always go in favor of the Steelers, but they do always go against the Ravens.

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' date='22 July 2009 - 01:15 PM' timestamp='1248282959' post='209088']


NOT saying they always go in favor of the Steelers, but they do always go against the Ravens.
[/quote]

thats not my only example.....how about in the playoff game against the titans when the ravens snapped the ball after the play clock hit zero

that no call went the ravens way....and it was obviouse

i admit we got some calls....but all teams do

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

Lol, that fumble by Cutler vs the Chargers was a shocker!

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='Ed_Reed_Pick_Six' date='23 July 2009 - 05:33 AM' timestamp='1248341627' post='209256']
Lol, that fumble by Cutler vs the Chargers was a shocker!
[/quote]

chargers would have had a winning season if not for that call lol

[BloodRaven]

Or if they had a good defense.

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='BloodRaven' date='24 July 2009 - 04:32 AM' timestamp='1248424361' post='209545']
Or if they had a good defense.
[/quote]

they'll be back to their 07 form this next year

[neepo13]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' date='22 July 2009 - 11:57 PM' timestamp='1248321423' post='209208']
thats not my only example.....how about in the playoff game against the titans when the ravens snapped the ball after the play clock hit zero

that no call went the ravens way....and it was obviouse

i admit we got some calls....but all teams do
[/quote]

Maybe its the purple Koo[i]l[/i]aid talking but I think there is a big difference between things like presnap penalties and even unneccessary roughness penalties and things that happen during a play because you cant do anything about them. If a ref misses a presnap penalty, you've still got a chance to get a stop, it wont be as easy as it maybe if you had gotten the presnap penalty but you've still got your chance. If you get hit with an unneccessry roughness penalty, you had your chance to walk away.

But if you stop a team from picking up a 1st down on 3rd down and then the ref turns around, and gives them the 1st down anyway, what can you do about that? You've earned the stop and the refs took it away. Or even somthing like a TD, when you've cleary scored and the refs take it away. You earned that TD, but your not going to get it. There is nothing you can do about that.

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='neepo13' date='24 July 2009 - 06:31 PM' timestamp='1248474664' post='209783']
Maybe its the purple Koo[i]l[/i]aid talking but I think there is a big difference between things like presnap penalties and even unneccessary roughness penalties and things that happen during a play because you cant do anything about them. If a ref misses a presnap penalty, you've still got a chance to get a stop, it wont be as easy as it maybe if you had gotten the presnap penalty but you've still got your chance. If you get hit with an unneccessry roughness penalty, you had your chance to walk away.

But if you stop a team from picking up a 1st down on 3rd down and then the ref turns around, and gives them the 1st down anyway, what can you do about that? You've earned the stop and the refs took it away. Or even somthing like a TD, when you've cleary scored and the refs take it away. You earned that TD, but your not going to get it. There is nothing you can do about that.
[/quote]

im not saying this is the case but i can imagine some players might let up a bit if they thought it was a blown play thus allowing the completion when they otherwise might have stopped it

[lgcs27288]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' date='25 July 2009 - 02:49 AM' timestamp='1248504555' post='209942']
im not saying this is the case but i can imagine some players might let up a bit if they thought it was a blown play thus allowing the completion when they otherwise might have stopped it
[/quote]

And that my friend is why you always play until the whistle is blown.