Brandon Marshall On Nflta

[JEEPercreepermd]

Ok so I know this is potentially going to cause a bunch of debate but I just thought this was very interesting http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d811535ed/Marshall-in-studio

I was just thinking that maybe this was a move on Marshall's part to answer any questions about his character and to show a professional attitude to try to attract some attention. I still don't think he's coming here but after seeing this it looks like he's desperately trying to get out of Denver.

[theFRANCHISE]

Brandon Marshall made comments during a traffic stop that were very telling of his attitude towards Denver. The fact that the traffic stop happened a year or so ago, and that he was drunk, says a lot about how much truth is behind his wanting to leave Denver.

At this point, I'm not surprised that Marshall would try to do some PR damage control and make himself look like a model citizen, so as to bait a team into pulling the trigger for a trade. If Marshall is on his best behavior in front of a camera, a team that's watching is bound to believe the act. Smart move on Marshall's part.

[bigZ2222]

does baltimore have a # 15

well kelley washington has that # counts us out

[T-Sizzle55]

[quote name='bigZ2222' date='18 July 2009 - 10:49 AM' timestamp='1247928586' post='208054']
does baltimore have a # 15

well kelley washington has that # counts us out
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That's not true. I'm sure if Ozzie wants to sign a WR of his caliber he can get the jersey number he wants. Who knows Washington might want #85 now, but I don't think we're going to pass on Marshall or he's going to pass on us merely because Washington was wearing #15 in OTAs.

[berad]

For the record, I would never condone him being a Raven.

He's done this before, trying to defend himself and his actions. He's just a bad seed who has provided ample evidence that he is immature and violent towards women.

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4A756xTC0s"]OTL report[/url]

Disgusting.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='berad' date='18 July 2009 - 11:46 AM' timestamp='1247932015' post='208067']
For the record, I would never condone him being a Raven.

He's done this before, trying to defend himself and his actions. He's just a bad seed who has provided ample evidence that he is immature and violent towards women.

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4A756xTC0s"]OTL report[/url]

Disgusting.
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That made me feel a little sick, watching that. It's really hard to justify flipping out over your girlfriend allegedly stealing your Blackberry...and then that e-mail apology he sent to her was pretty damning.

As for Marshall being a Raven...it'd take a lot for me to get excited over it. It took me a little bit to warm up to Samari Rolle and Fabian Washington because of their domestic violence charges, but at least there wasn't a long, documented history of such violence, as opposed to Marshall's story.

[JEEPercreepermd]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='18 July 2009 - 12:23 PM' timestamp='1247934210' post='208076']
That made me feel a little sick, watching that. It's really hard to justify flipping out over your girlfriend allegedly stealing your Blackberry...and then that e-mail apology he sent to her was pretty damning.

As for Marshall being a Raven...it'd take a lot for me to get excited over it. It took me a little bit to warm up to Samari Rolle and Fabian Washington because of their domestic violence charges, but at least there wasn't a long, documented history of such violence, as opposed to Marshall's story.
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We can't deny Brandon Marshall's talent. That being said, inspite of said talent I wouldn't want him to be a Raven either. My feeling is that people in Baltimore as becoming just as starved for a WR of that ability as we were for a quarterback. When people get like that they are almost willing to take anything and justify it by saying that "Harbaugh,Lewis,Reed,Bisciotti,Newsome ect.. will keep him in the right direction" WAKE UP! These men are Football players,Coaches,Owners,GM's they aren't babysitters. Also, don't you think there are some stand up people somewhere in the Broncos organization who have already tried to reach out to Marshall? Obviously it didn't work. There are others (Anita Marks) who come out and say well "Marshall's only problem is off the field issues but he is a good teammate" Again, WAKE UP! A good teammate is someone whom you can depend on to be there for the team, someone whom you have to constantly worry about being arrested and then suspended WILL have an impact in a locker room. Such a person IS NOT a good teammate, you would think that the though of him being arrested and then suspended from the NFL would cross his mind at some point in time while he's making his decision weather or not to hit a woman. All of that aside, if for some reason he DID become a Raven He would have to earn my respect.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='JEEPercreepermd' date='18 July 2009 - 12:44 PM' timestamp='1247935442' post='208078']
There are others (Anita Marks) who come out and say well "Marshall's only problem is off the field issues but he is a good teammate" Again, WAKE UP! A good teammate is someone whom you can depend on to be there for the team, someone whom you have to constantly worry about being arrested and then suspended WILL have an impact in a locker room. Such a person IS NOT a good teammate, you would think that the though of him being arrested and then suspended from the NFL would cross his mind at some point in time while he's making his decision weather or not to hit a woman. All of that aside, if for some reason he DID become a Raven He would have to earn my respect.
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I agree wholeheartedly.

The Ravens have made it a point under John Harbaugh to bring in high-character individuals. If the team strays from that formula (as with any tried-and-true method), failure is imminent -- just ask the Washington Redskins when Dan Snyder took over; the Redskins used to build through the draft, but once Snyder came in and tried to run the team like the Yankees, all of those dollar signs blew up in his face.

It's not about bringing in choir boys and saints. It's about bringing in guys that care about staying on the field -- which also means staying out of trouble. For all the talent you have, you can't produce if you're not allowed on the field.

[wayne]

[quote name='berad' date='18 July 2009 - 10:46 AM' timestamp='1247932015' post='208067']
For the record, I would never condone him being a Raven.

He's done this before, trying to defend himself and his actions. He's just a bad seed who has provided ample evidence that he is immature and violent towards women.

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4A756xTC0s"]OTL report[/url]

Disgusting.
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[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='18 July 2009 - 11:23 AM' timestamp='1247934210' post='208076']
That made me feel a little sick, watching that. It's really hard to justify flipping out over your girlfriend allegedly stealing your Blackberry...and then that e-mail apology he sent to her was pretty damning.

As for Marshall being a Raven...it'd take a lot for me to get excited over it. It took me a little bit to warm up to Samari Rolle and Fabian Washington because of their domestic violence charges, but at least there wasn't a long, documented history of such violence, as opposed to Marshall's story.
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1st off, [b]I'm a little skeptical [/b]about this whole domestic abuse thing with Marshall.I am a black male that have dealt with several scandalous women in my lifetime and just looking at everything from the outside, it's more to it than what we know. [b]This woman has been given several oppurtunities to leave him knowing the situation but she didn't. Several times she dropped the charges and she even wrote a letter to Goddell telling him that Marshall didn't do anything, yet she say she did it out of a request from Marshall, the man that has supposely been making her life a living hell.IMO this is another money motivated incident, thats what I see in between the lines[/b]. Alot of those things he did as far as raming of the cars, maybe putting his hands on her a few times out of defense or for pure frustration, I'm sure it happened!Marshall probably had another woman that he was interested in, you neva know. I'm not condoning what Marshall has done or been accused of doing but to try to make the man out like he is just a straight up woman beater, c'mon man. I'm sure Marshall has messed with other women in his life, pretty sure he would have been violent with them too.

I would love to have Marshall on the team, it is unreal expectations for every NFL player to be a saint. They human just like we are with emotions and feelings, they are not some super-humans that have been beamed down here from the heavens just b/c they are in the NFL.

[JEEPercreepermd]

[quote name='wayne' date='18 July 2009 - 02:34 PM' timestamp='1247942090' post='208099']
1st off, [b]I'm a little skeptical [/b]about this whole domestic abuse thing with Marshall.I am a black male that have dealt with several scandalous women in my lifetime and just looking at everything from the outside, it's more to it than what we know. [b]This woman has been given several oppurtunities to leave him knowing the situation but she didn't. Several times she dropped the charges and she even wrote a letter to Goddell telling him that Marshall didn't do anything, yet she say she did it out of a request from Marshall, the man that has supposely been making her life a living hell.IMO this is another money motivated incident, thats what I see in between the lines[/b]. Alot of those things he did as far as raming of the cars, maybe putting his hands on her a few times out of defense or for pure frustration, I'm sure it happened!Marshall probably had another woman that he was interested in, you neva know. I'm not condoning what Marshall has done or been accused of doing but to try to make the man out like he is just a straight up woman beater, c'mon man. I'm sure Marshall has messed with other women in his life, pretty sure he would have been violent with them too.

I would love to have Marshall on the team, it is unreal expectations for every NFL player to be a saint. They human just like we are with emotions and feelings, they are not some super-humans that have been beamed down here from the heavens just b/c they are in the NFL.
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Nobody expects these guys to be Saints. We all know and understand that they are human and they make mistakes just like everyone else. That's all well and good but when the guy is CONSTANTLY being arrested I think you have to start to just assume that the guy for whatever reason can't get his act together. I think at this point, his criminal history speaks for it's self. The fact is this, the man gets paid millions of dollars to play football. If he CAN'T play football because he can't stay out of trouble then he is just a wast of MILLIONS of dollars and draft picks that could be used to get people that can be counted on to show up to work every sunday.

[wayne]

[quote name='JEEPercreepermd' date='18 July 2009 - 02:36 PM' timestamp='1247945819' post='208103']
Nobody expects these guys to be Saints. We all know and understand that they are human and they make mistakes just like everyone else. That's all well and good but when the guy is CONSTANTLY being arrested I think you have to start to just assume that the guy for whatever reason can't get his act together. I think at this point, his criminal history speaks for it's self. The fact is this, the man gets paid millions of dollars to play football. [b]If he CAN'T play football because he can't stay out of trouble then he is just a wast of MILLIONS of dollars and draft picks that could be used to get people that can be counted on to show up to work every sunday.[/b][/quote]

Thats what I'm saying, you think the people thats paying him the millions didn't over evaluate his situation and if they thought it would be a major problem, I don't think they would have took a chance on him!Also, he shows up to work every Sunday and does his job better than most so thats no worry right there. Just require for the man to go to a couple of counseling classes, his only major issue in his life has been over this one woman, I repeat, ONE WOMAN. It's not like he has several other charges stemming from other women and it's not like his other charges have been different things other than Domestic Violence.

[JEEPercreepermd]

[quote name='wayne' date='18 July 2009 - 03:45 PM' timestamp='1247946334' post='208104']
Thats what I'm saying, you think the people thats paying him the millions didn't over evaluate his situation and if they thought it would be a major problem, I don't think they would have took a chance on him!Also, he shows up to work every Sunday and does his job better than most so thats no worry right there. Just require for the man to go to a couple of counseling classes, his only major issue in his life has been over this one woman, I repeat, ONE WOMAN. It's not like he has several other charges stemming from other women and it's not like his other charges have been different things other than Domestic Violence.
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Correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't he charged with retail theft,assaulting a police officer, and DUI? Also, he DID complete anger management classes in 2007 and wasn't he just arrested recently for fighting with his latest fiancee?

[Ravens52]

Honestly, if we could keep him under control here in Baltimore I'd be perfectly content to have him here. He'd probably be a little cautious to mess up with the players in our locker room. As long as his legal problems are kept at a minimum and he avoids a suspension, I'm all for Marshall as bad as that is to say.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='wayne' date='18 July 2009 - 03:45 PM' timestamp='1247946334' post='208104']
his only major issue in his life has been over this one woman, I repeat, ONE WOMAN. It's not like he has several other charges stemming from other women and it's not like his other charges have been different things other than Domestic Violence.
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Actually, he was arrested recently for a domestic disturbance with his current fianc

[twiz42]

Yes Marshall has off the field issue's and might be hard for some people to accept him and even cheer for him in B'more,but dont forget about our beloved Ray Ray and those murder charges. Marshall is still very young and COULD CHANGE . if nebody in nfl can help him its ray ray look how he changed got focused and took us to a super bowl.I would love to have a young stud wr with a young growing stud in Flacco. with their height they would be unstoppable.Marshall would have an easy 12-15 td's.maybe clayton will actually be able to do something on other side then finally. i know our running game is top 3 in the league(arguably) but would be number 1 with marshall on outside not havin 8 in the box.mcgahee and rice could both go for a 1,000yds and mcclain poundin it in on goalline situations.OZ make this happen ASAP.we have the money!!!

[mhead66]

[quote name='twiz42' date='19 July 2009 - 09:18 AM' timestamp='1248009525' post='208220']
Yes Marshall has off the field issue's and might be hard for some people to accept him and even cheer for him in B'more,but dont forget about our beloved Ray Ray and those murder charges. Marshall is still very young and COULD CHANGE . if nebody in nfl can help him its ray ray look how he changed got focused and took us to a super bowl.I would love to have a young stud wr with a young growing stud in Flacco. with their height they would be unstoppable.Marshall would have an easy 12-15 td's.maybe clayton will actually be able to do something on other side then finally. i know our running game is top 3 in the league(arguably) but would be number 1 with marshall on outside not havin 8 in the box.mcgahee and rice could both go for a 1,000yds and mcclain poundin it in on goalline situations.OZ make this happen ASAP.we have the money!!!
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Ray made a mistake, and paid for it. He hasn't been in trouble since. If you watched the video, you saw the slashed thigh that Marshall's girlfriend suffered, the black eye in a different episode, heard three 911 calls, saw the email from Marshall where he admits he beat her.

Ray made a mistake. Jamal Lewis made a mistake. Marshall has made a dozen mistakes, and the Ravens would make a mistake in pursuing him.

[Marc2k6]

How is Ray Lewis connected to B. Marshall? One has nothing to do with the other at all! What are you talking about Twiz?

[jfc13]

What makes Ray's mistake different for me is what happened after. Ray realized that hanging out with those guys could make him lose what he wanted most: the right to play professional football. So Ray changed his lifestyle. He got his priorities straight. Yes, football players aren't saints; we don't expect them to have never made mistakes. We do expect them to learn from them and to decide whether they want to continue to play football or to continue to break the law and mistreat people. We don't want them to have it both ways.

[Moderator 3]

No more dragging others into this discussion, please. Comparing one person's actions to another's isn't appropriate for these forums.

[theFRANCHISE]

For the record, even former Denver teammate John Lynch says "buyer beware" in regards to Brandon Marshall. ([url="http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/news/story?id=4336504"]ESPN.com[/url])

[quote]"I don't like saying [buyer beware], but you've got to call a spade a spade, and I think it's a dangerous proposition," Lynch said. "I don't think you'll see the Broncos sign him to a long-term deal, because right now the behavior he's demonstrated off the field, I don't think you'd feel comfortable doing anything long term.

"As I said, on the field, he's very comparable to a guy like Terrell Owens. He's that good of a player. But being a professional in my mind ... takes doing it on the field and off the field. You can't have all choir boys. I believe in first and second chances, but when you're talking about 13 or 14 ... I think at a certain point you've got to say this guy's got some issues that he's got to work out before you can trust him."
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That says a lot, if a high-character guy like John Lynch, who played at such a high level, is saying this about a guy he knew personally in the locker room. And remember, Lynch has played with character-issue players like Warren Sapp and Keyshawn Johnson, so I think he'd know risky propositions when he sees them; while Sapp was able to keep his behavior to a minimum for the sake of the team, Johnson was disruptive to the point where he was deactivated by the Bucs.

[BleedPurple92]

He isn't coming here!!
He is a cant stay out of trouble, he will want a brand new fat contract. Harbaugh is trying to build a team of character. All these things mean one thing, he wont be a raven!

[b][size="4"]Get over it, move on with your life. And Stop the marshall threads please[/size]![/b]

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

I acknowledge that he has had severe issues, but these MAY have been overstated. By the sounds of things, this woman is rather unstabled and things can be blown out of proportion - not saying they have or haven't been, but please consider that.

In terms of our team and us as fans, I'm sure his poor behaviour in the past would quickly be put behind him; as there is a real love for football amongst Ravens fans. But for this to happen, he must stay out of trouble. I don't see us getting him - I think he'll end up in New York at the Giants. But if we could get him for the right price, I think I would take the risk.

Marshall by himself would be enough to push us over the edge - he is a game-breaking receiver who can create a lot in hiw own right.

[twiz42]

[quote name='Marc2k6' date='19 July 2009 - 10:24 AM' timestamp='1248013464' post='208230']
How is Ray Lewis connected to B. Marshall? One has nothing to do with the other at all! What are you talking about Twiz?
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murder charges,rape,and beating a femaleare the 3 worse charges u can have . all im saying is Ray could help change him thats it.We have to roll the dice on a guy like marshall he is a game changer. If dont work out then he's out after next yr.I believe he only has 1 yr left on his contract.if it works then look to sign long term. flacco will have more options and u guys will be cheering for him .

[Moderator 3]

[quote name='twiz42' date='20 July 2009 - 06:52 PM' timestamp='1248130327' post='208643']
We have to roll the dice on a guy like marshall he is a game changer. If dont work out then he's out after next yr.I believe he only has 1 yr left on his contract.if it works then look to sign long term.[/quote]

Unfortunately, if it doesn't work out, then we're also out the draft picks we gave up to get him.