Amani Toomer?

[CP`C-Pain`CP]

I was watching Total Access last night and as most probobly know they had the ravens... They mentioned how Mason had retired and showed a list of the remaining free agent recievers, Toomer caught my eye.
I'm gung ho for getting Amani Toomer.

[Tyler]

[quote name='Mahatma_Sloth' date='14 July 2009 - 08:51 AM' timestamp='1247575901' post='206687']
how about one of these guys?
Wheelwright, Ernie 17 Wide Receiver 6-5 220 25 1 Minnesota
Williams, Edward 18 Wide Receiver 6-4 215 26 1 Lane
Williams, Demetrius 87 Wide Receiver 6-2 197 26 4 Oregon
Clayton, Mark 89 Wide Receiver 5-10 190 27 5 Oklahoma
Harper, Justin 14 Wide Receiver 6-3 215 24 2 Virginia Tech
Washington, Kelley 15 Wide Receiver 6-3 215 29 7 Tennessee
Riley, Eron 13 Wide Receiver 6-3 200 21 Rookie Duke
Smith, Marcus 81 Wide Receiver 6-1 215 24 2 New Mexico
Williams, Isaiah 2 Wide Receiver 6-3 200 22 Rookie Maryland
Figurs, Yamon 16 Wide Receiver / Return Specialist 5-11 180 27 3 Kansas State
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Every One but clayton and D-will are all practice squad caliber players. Every single one of them. so what about those guys? they are bums. we need a playmaker

[Wacko4Zacko]

[quote name='CP`C-Pain`CP' date='14 July 2009 - 07:41 PM' timestamp='1247614914' post='206939']
I was watching Total Access last night and as most probobly know they had the ravens... They mentioned how Mason had retired and showed a list of the remaining free agent recievers, Toomer caught my eye.
I'm gung ho for getting Amani Toomer.
[/quote]

Lol odd, that happened to me as well. LOLZ Anyway, I actually believe Toomer could bring experience, leadership, and skill.

[mhead66]

Toomer has been remarkably consistent. With the exception of '06, when he was injured, he has had at least 48 receptions for the last 10 years, and has averaged 62 receptions / season.

10 straight years, with 48 receptions, and the Ravens' #1 receiver currently on the roster had 41 receptions last year.

Toomer won't be [b]THE MAN[/b], won't be a Pro-Bowler, but he wouldn't be a bad addition, for a year.

[neepo13]

[quote name='lowrider' date='14 July 2009 - 08:37 AM' timestamp='1247575051' post='206685']
I wasn't saying bring in Toomer forever and he is the answer to all of the Ravens problems. But for a quick fix at depth he would be a good choice.
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I can agree with this. He could be what Willie Anderson was to our OL and Todd Bowman was to our QB's last year. Just another veteran presence to give them confidence. If the price is right I wouldnt mind it. We are not this high flying team that the media wants us to be. We are a ball control team. With a few more looks Clayton will probably be able to have a few more grabs then last year and I am sure we can find a number 2 and number 3 that can come up with 30 or 40 catchs a piece. Considering we played most of last season with out a number 3, if Clayton improves just a little bit, we can pick up Mason's production else where. It will take two guys to do it but its better then nothing.

[Bullrush]

[quote name='WinnipegRaven' date='14 July 2009 - 05:23 PM' timestamp='1247588599' post='206750']
I wouldn't necessarily agree with that - the guy is clutch on 3rd downs man... Look at some tape and see how many times Eli looked to him to convert 3rd dwns. Usually a short pass where Toomer was guaranteed to take a huge shot.
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He's a reliable receiver and like most older receivers clutch on 3rd downs, but that's why he would be a good backup. He's not starting material anymore from what i've read. There are so many teams out there looking for receivers yet he can't get a job. Plus he can't play special teams either which is what you'll have to do as a backup. He'd just take up another roster spot.

I feel like we have that type of guy in Kelley Washington. Solid backup receiver, and a beast on special teams.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

[quote name='Bullrush' date='15 July 2009 - 01:55 AM' timestamp='1247576118' post='206689']
Toomer can bring in leadership but that's about it. The guy has nothing left, he can't even get a workout from other teams. At best he's a backup WR, there's no way he could replace Mason.

Unless we trade for Marshall/Boldin Williams should stay in the starting lineup. Marcus Smith could be a good #3.
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He'll be picked up just before the season starts, he's too experienced not to be used somewhere.

[BleedinBlue'04]

It wouldn't be a bad addition, but I think there are better WR left. He is very clutch that's true, but he doesn't have much speed anymore. He will bring leadership and knowledge for your younger WR though. If that's the only choice then it wouldn't be bad. He also wouldn't cost much.

[bauer77]

even tho he is a little younger than mason i dont think i would want him. unless he is our only option. he is injured a lot and he slowing down

[Slim]

Marcus Smith is going to explode this year, i can assure you that ! Clayton 1st Dwill 2nd + Marcus in the slot and sometimes @ 2nd !!! with L.J et Todd staying in shape, we going to the superbowl baby !!!

[thewarden86]

[quote name='BleedinBlue'04' date='15 July 2009 - 02:35 PM' timestamp='1247682944' post='207406']
It wouldn't be a bad addition, but [b]I think there are better WR left[/b]. He is very clutch that's true, but [b]he doesn't have much speed anymore[/b]. He will bring leadership and knowledge for your younger WR though. If that's the only choice then it wouldn't be bad. He also wouldn't cost much.
[/quote]

Yea, obviously if a Boldin or a Johnson was a FA it'd be a no brainer, but the Ravens have to look at what's available. Of those options, Amani is not, AT ALL, a bad choice for the short-term solution. He can fill the need.

Unless you guys can trade a 7th rounder for Fitzgerald, I'd say trading draft picks is a bad idea.

[Ed_Reed20]

I really don't think Ozzie will ever give up a 1st rounder again. Toomer seems like a good short-term solution. He's big, has good hands and is a good-route runner. Even Mason were to return, I think Toomer would be a good option.

[Alexir]

I do not want Toomer because I think we should go younger. If toomer gets injured we are screwed, where as younger players can get injured also, the likelihood for over 30 yrs players are greater.

I would rather go after Matt Jones or Reggie Williams. They might have their problems but we can whoop their buts in shape.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Alexir' date='15 July 2009 - 04:03 PM' timestamp='1247688180' post='207451']

I would rather go after Matt Jones or Reggie Williams. They might have their problems but we can whoop their buts in shape.
[/quote]

The Jags tried whipping them into shape for 4 years and failed. Both of them are busts and both of them have drug problems.

[Alexir]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='15 July 2009 - 04:15 PM' timestamp='1247688943' post='207455']
The Jags tried whipping them into shape for 4 years and failed. Both of them are busts and both of them have drug problems.
[/quote]

Yeah but they are young. I rather have young guys then old guys. Who knows maybe Harbs will talk Mason out of it but Toomer would only set us back, he wasnt even a number 2 last year stat wise. I rather have Harrison who is probably top 5 best recievers of all time than a Tumor.

But again, the age problem gets in the way. Wonder if we will enter the Supplemental draft?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Alexir' date='15 July 2009 - 04:23 PM' timestamp='1247689411' post='207459']
Yeah but they are young. I rather have young guys then old guys. Who knows maybe Harbs will talk Mason out of it but Toomer would only set us back, he wasnt even a number 2 last year stat wise. I rather have Harrison who is probably top 5 best recievers of all time than a Tumor.

But again, the age problem gets in the way. Wonder if we will enter the Supplemental draft?
[/quote]

They're young but neither one of them has lived up to the hype. Toomer doesn't have game-breaking ability but if he still has anything left in the tank, he could definitely be a serviceable player.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='Alexir' date='15 July 2009 - 04:23 PM' timestamp='1247689411' post='207459']
Yeah but they are young. [b]I rather have young guys then old guys.[/b] Who knows maybe Harbs will talk Mason out of it but Toomer would only set us back, he wasnt even a number 2 last year stat wise. I rather have Harrison who is probably top 5 best recievers of all time than a Tumor.

But again, the age problem gets in the way. Wonder if we will enter the Supplemental draft?
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But you'd probably be sacrificing availablility and performance.

[Tyler]

[quote name='Alexir' date='15 July 2009 - 04:03 PM' timestamp='1247688180' post='207451']
I do not want Toomer because I think we should go younger. If toomer gets injured we are screwed, where as younger players can get injured also, the likelihood for over 30 yrs players are greater.

I would rather go after Matt Jones or Reggie Williams. They might have their problems but we can whoop their buts in shape.
[/quote]

I would love to give reggie williams a shot. hes not AS MUCH of a Crack head as Matt jones.

[Alexir]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='15 July 2009 - 05:15 PM' timestamp='1247692539' post='207478']
But you'd probably be sacrificing availablility and performance.
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and we aren't sacrificing that with an old guy like Amani?

[thewarden86]

[quote name='Alexir' date='15 July 2009 - 06:20 PM' timestamp='1247696428' post='207493']
and we aren't sacrificing that with an old guy like Amani?
[/quote]

Amani's stayed with one team for more than 10 years. He's never been an under performer (save his rookie season) nor a major injury concern (not to say he hasn't been injured).
Off the field issues? None.
On the field issues? None.
Experience (including SB exp.)? Plenty.
Leadership? Both in the locker room and by example on the field.
Amani is also tough.

What do you have with youth (avalable youth) that Amani doesn't have besides some speed? Because, any speedster can get behind a defense, but if he fails to make the catch it means nothing. If you're saying that the Ravens have no hope of making the playoffs and you'd rather just find and test potential talent in a youngster, then fine. I just don't think that's the case with the 2009 Ravens.

[BMORE107]

I think Amani Toomer would be a good reliable receiver for a year or two. Hes always been consistent in NY. However we can not win big games unless Clayton steps his game up and Williams gets healthy. What I am really hoping to see this year is now that we have LJ Smith, who I think alot of people are underestimating, is to use Heap out wide.

[BMORE107]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='15 July 2009 - 02:15 PM' timestamp='1247688943' post='207455']
The Jags tried whipping them into shape for 4 years and failed. Both of them are busts and both of them have drug problems.
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We might as well just go out there and get Marshall if we are willing to put up with those two.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='BMORE107' date='15 July 2009 - 08:01 PM' timestamp='1247702483' post='207512']
I think Amani Toomer would be a good reliable receiver for a year or two. Hes always been consistent in NY. However we can not win big games unless Clayton steps his game up and Williams gets healthy. What I am really hoping to see this year is now that we have LJ Smith, who I think alot of people are underestimating, is to use Heap out wide.
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Heaps role will be critical this year no matter gets signed to the WR corps.

[edreedfromtheu]

Randy Hymes is the solution to the Ravens receiving problems. I don't know why they are so scared to bring him back. He will cost nothing, and I bet Flacco will LOVE throwing to a guy that tall who can jump that high with hands that bring in everything. If Boller didn't throw 20 ft over his receivers heads... many more people would know about this guy.

[edreedfromtheu]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='15 July 2009 - 08:22 PM' timestamp='1247703772' post='207519']
Heaps role will be critical this year no matter gets signed to the WR corps.
[/quote]

Very true. If Heap doesn't perform this year, he's also going to have trouble finding a team! Especially one that will pay his as nice as the Ravens did on his current contract!