How Bengals Fans Feels About The Ravens

[BmoreBlitz]

[url="http://boards.bengals.com/showthread.php?t=48078"]Bengals[/url]

Look at some thoughts of delusional Bengal fans and their new found cockiness:



I realize they have a up and coming QB,a nice trio of RB's and a o-line that should be solid for years.
But I get this feeling that they might take a step back in 2009.
What WR/TE is going to step up and be the Flacco's money man? Todd Heap is now a "heap" of injuries.
Derrick Mason is past his prime.Mark Clayton isn't consistant.
I believe the Ravens achilles heel could be their defense.
Bart Scott's value to that defense cannot be overstated. I think at this point,Harbaugh still hasn't found his successor(Gooden?).
Ray Lewis could always depend on Scott being "johnny on the spot".
The Ravens CB's certinally aren't in the same league as the tandem of McAlister/Rolle.
Ed Reed can still bring it and make plays,but he can't carry a defense under going changes.
The Ravens might be the Pats of 2009 where they win 9-10 games and still not get into the playoffs.
I think this is one team the Bengals have to sweep in order to have a legit chance to get in the playoffs.





We sweep Ravens unless WE lose(blow) a game. I don't see them being as dominant as last year. I think they have question marks at WR and an Oline that still has something to prove. They do have a legit backfield and a good TE when healthy. Flacco will go through a sophmore slump..Their defense again will be what holds them above water..I think they go 7-9 and are third in the division behind Steelers and Bengals.





I can't wait for the season to start.

[BloodRaven]

Browns 08 to be quite honest.

[52Kia Kaha92]

it annoys me when people say we have had a drop off in our defense, especially in the secondary. We lose Leonhard and gain the much better Dawan Landry who will destory people this year. We also still have Ed back there. And for 75% of the year last year we had Fabain Washington at corner with Frank Walker at nickel. Rolle missed 5 games (maybe 4) McAlister missed a lot (11?.

So with Foxworth, carr and webb we have better depth and more reliable starters. We may not have gotten better at corner but we certaintly didnt get worse. We got better depth and the jury is out on Foxy.

It just annoys me how people say that.

Now on the Bengals i actually think they might be quite good this year, i think 8-8 or 9-7
There defense is very good and very under rated although thay will struggle to control the middle of the field on pass plays and Dhani jones and Roy Williams and Chris Crocker and all notably not pass defenders who struggle so i imagine them to be weak there but besides that i think they are a good team. Palmer leading the troops. Lets face it when chad is on he is scary to go up against. They have an extremly good right side on there line with Andre Smith and IMO and top 3 guard in this league ine Bobbie Williams. I like there chances this year but there weaknesses are at places we can easily expolit. running game will be shut down and we can attack the middle with heap and Williams.

[JEEPercreepermd]

Yeah this Bungles fan is VERY delusional, but most of them are. When you have a roster that has looked like theirs the past few years, yet you consistantly suck, i would be delusional too. As for the Bungholes SWEEPING the Ravens? HIGHLU DOUBTFUL,they add Tank Johnson who has an ASTONISHING 96 TOTAL tackles in his 5 years in the NFL,and all of the sudden their defense is supposed to be shut down. As a whole, the Bengals are still a finesse offense with no running game. Exactly the type of offense that the Ravens have no problem swallowing up. On D, they may have gotten a little tougher, but they still aren't a threat to the Ravens. Half the team will be incarcerated before Training camp starts anyway

[Ravnet]

I usually try to be fair and am very quick to bash the Ravens at every opportunity, but this offseason in particular has been quite amusing to watch as completely uninformed fans continually remark that the Ravens are undergoing massive changes on the defensive side of the ball. It's just a joke.

We literally have a star at nearly every single damn position on defense, so losing anyone obviously makes us vulnerable to criticism.

I mean honestly, out of the eleven guys on our defensive unit last year, Ngata/Suggs/Lewis/Scott/McAlister/Rolle/Reed/Pryce and even Gregg/Landry/Leonhard can be considered elite defensively. Every team inevitably loses guys, but when your team is so stacked, a big deal is simply made by outsiders after a guy departs.

Who could we lose on defense and still avoid criticism? Fabian Washington? Jarret Johnson?

I'm actually not being biased in the least by saying that the loss of Hue Jackson would have been a much more crushing blow than the exodus of Rex Ryan.

The Bengals are probably the least relevant franchise in the NFL all things considered, so until proven otherwise, I'm just going to pity their fanbase as usual.

[darklight1216]

Oh let them have their fun, when else can Bengals fans get excited except during the offseason? Sure, they're grasping at straws...:
"Derrick Mason is past his prime." (Just like last year)Mark Clayton isn't consistant.(Just like last year... and every year.)
"I believe the Ravens achilles heel could be their defense." (Yeah, that defense has always been a problem.)
but these weak arguements are all they have.

[Magnusmd]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='13 July 2009 - 07:32 AM' timestamp='1247484736' post='206222']
Oh let them have their fun, when else can Bengals fans get excited except during the offseason? Sure, they're grasping at straws...:
"Derrick Mason is past his prime." (Just like last year)Mark Clayton isn't consistant.(Just like last year... and every year.)
"I believe the Ravens achilles heel could be their defense." (Yeah, that defense has always been a problem.)
but these weak arguements are all they have.
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Agreed, let them have their fun. What else do they have?

[BloodRaven]

Bengals:

30yo QB with new arm stamina issues. Also skipped recommended reconstructive surgery on his arm

31yo distraction of a WR who is now a Goodell magnet and nowhere near the player he used to be

Bust HB outcast from another team who "improved" or was "slightly less horrible"

Joke of an o-line led by a short, fat rookie LT



Defense:

No d-line

No secondary

A baby soft second year LB

A rookie LB with off field issues who can't cover

All led by Dhani Jones, a journeyman stat padding special teamer

[jfc13]

I didn't think what that guy said was [i]that[/i] bad. I don't agree with it, but it's stuff we've heard before and he didn't say it in a nasty way. "...I get this feeling that they might take a step back in 2009..." isn't exactly trash talking.

Besides, the receiver question has been raised many times on this very forum, so we can't blame him for wondering about it. An elite defense that loses players that started the previous year would also be a reason to question the future of that defense and we can't expect other teams to be as confident in their 'replacements' as we are [especially since some of the 'replacements' are returning first stringers].

The Bengals and Browns fans know that their path to the playoffs is through Pittsburgh and Baltimore, so I look at this as just a fan trying to feel hopeful about his team.

Compared to the Jets fan that came here and said that the Ravens would drop out of the top-10 defenses and others that say their team [Bengals or Browns] is going to whoop up on the Ravens, this guy was pretty innocuous.

[H8R]

It's a joke for the Bengals fans to be bashing us, though I will say they seem to usually play us tough. I feel the Ravens are primed for greatness this year! I hope we can fly under the radar just like last season up until the playoffs. On a side note, Americas Team "The 2000 Ravens" was on this weekend. not to sound soft but it's pretty emotional to see that season recapped!

[lowrider]

[quote name='BmoreBlitz' date='13 July 2009 - 03:02 AM' timestamp='1247468520' post='206206']
[url="http://boards.bengals.com/showthread.php?t=48078"]Bengals[/url]

Look at some thoughts of delusional Bengal fans and their new found cockiness:



I realize they have a up and coming QB,a nice trio of RB's and a o-line that should be solid for years.
But I get this feeling that they might take a step back in 2009.
What WR/TE is going to step up and be the Flacco's money man? Todd Heap is now a "heap" of injuries.
Derrick Mason is past his prime.Mark Clayton isn't consistant.
I believe the Ravens achilles heel could be their defense.
Bart Scott's value to that defense cannot be overstated. I think at this point,Harbaugh still hasn't found his successor(Gooden?).
Ray Lewis could always depend on Scott being "johnny on the spot".
The Ravens CB's certinally aren't in the same league as the tandem of McAlister/Rolle.
Ed Reed can still bring it and make plays,but he can't carry a defense under going changes.
The Ravens might be the Pats of 2009 where they win 9-10 games and still not get into the playoffs.
I think this is one team the Bengals have to sweep in order to have a legit chance to get in the playoffs.





I can't wait for the season to start.
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McAlister and rolle hardly played the last two years. So anyone healthy is an improvement. And Bart Scott's stats are not that impressive. As far as i know Scott only made the pro bowl one time. If anything Scott depended on Lewis being johnny on the spot. I was talking to my Dad about this one. In his words he said that Gooden would probably be more athletic and more talented and make bigger plays, but he will be out of position sometimes and make unexperienced mistakes.

Those comments annoyed me. Like you said, can't wait for the season to start

[Strangebru]

If no one is familiar with my posts over on talk.baltimoresun.com on the Ravens boards trying to convince Steelers fans that Big ben isn't as great as they all think he is. I am not going to get upset about some fan of another team being excited about that team during the pre-season. If he keeps that up after the Ravens sweep his team again then he will be considered delusional in my opinion, well until next off-season.

How delutional did Browns and Bengals fans find me last year at this time when I was predicting the Ravens could go 9-7, maybe 10-6 if they got lucky.

[baltimore_hokie]

bart scott's influence IS overstated in our defense. his role is to blow up the fullback or offensive lineman in the second level to free ray up to make tackles. the way i see it, we have three guys on the roster that can fill that role. it's much easier to find a guy to replace bart than it is ray.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='baltimore_hokie' date='13 July 2009 - 10:36 AM' timestamp='1247495799' post='206247']
bart scott's influence IS overstated in our defense. his role is to blow up the fullback or offensive lineman in the second level to free ray up to make tackles. the way i see it, we have three guys on the roster that can fill that role. it's much easier to find a guy to replace bart than it is ray.
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I agree. People seem to feel that Bart was a playmaker during his time as a Raven. That just sin't the case. He made plays in 06 but every other year, he made his living off tackles. I see Gooden or whoever else the team has replacing him with ease.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='BmoreBlitz' date='13 July 2009 - 03:02 AM' timestamp='1247468520' post='206206']
[url="http://boards.bengals.com/showthread.php?t=48078"]Bengals[/url]

Look at some thoughts of delusional Bengal fans and their new found cockiness:



I realize they have a up and coming QB,a nice trio of RB's and a o-line that should be solid for years.
But I get this feeling that they might take a step back in 2009.
What WR/TE is going to step up and be the Flacco's money man? Todd Heap is now a "heap" of injuries.
Derrick Mason is past his prime.Mark Clayton isn't consistant.
I believe the Ravens achilles heel could be their defense.
Bart Scott's value to that defense cannot be overstated. I think at this point,Harbaugh still hasn't found his successor(Gooden?).
Ray Lewis could always depend on Scott being "johnny on the spot".
The Ravens CB's certinally aren't in the same league as the tandem of McAlister/Rolle.
Ed Reed can still bring it and make plays,but he can't carry a defense under going changes.
The Ravens might be the Pats of 2009 where they win 9-10 games and still not get into the playoffs.
I think this is one team the Bengals have to sweep in order to have a legit chance to get in the playoffs.





I can't wait for the season to start.
[/quote]

I don't mine people hyping their teams up. Around this time of year, every fan is excited about their teams chances. Even last year when everyone thought the Ravens would be bad, and both Bengals/Browns would not only be better but would compete for playoff spots.

The Browns were coming off a great year falling just short of the playoffs, offense looked like it would be elite. Getting Shaun Rogers made the defense look a little better. Young improving Oline, first round OB, highly talented WR/TE. Then look how their season turned out.


The only problem i have with the whole thing is when fans try to find reasons why another team would be bad instead of your team being good. This fan is not saying how improved the Bengals are, he's trying to find reasons why the Ravens will be bad. So in other words, if the Ravens don't miss MadBacker as much, if we don't miss Leonhart, and if we don't miss Rex then the Bengals won't have a chance to beat us.

They can question our WRs, but last season our WRs lead by a rookie QB, killed the Bengals DBs. That same Mark Clayton, had a total of 259 yards 3TD (1pass,1run,1catch) in 2 games. The same Derrick Mason who had over 130 yards in 2 games vs Cin, last year.

Like i said i don't mine fans being excited, but don't give reasons why another team will be bad, give reasons why your team will be better.

Like if i were to say the same about the Ravens and Steelers. It wouldn't be the Steelers getting worse, it would be how the Ravens improved. In 3 games we lost by a combined 16 points, with a rookie QB. This year Flacco should be better, which will allow the offense to be better. I would say how in 2 of the 3 games the Ravens seemingly outplayed the Steelers. Last mintue drives decided the games.

The Bengals have to first show on the field that they can be a good team. The draft alone won't prove that. They have to prove that they can handle the distractions of Hard Knocks, they have to prove they can twitting during games, they have to prove they can handle the talks about Marvin Lewis being on the hot seat if they don't start the season off good. They have a lot to prove and right now none of it invloves the Ravens. They will have their chance to prove they can beat us, but they have a lot to do before that point.

[jfc13]

Good points, Ravensfan23, and while I'm certainly never about putting another person or team down, I think the way this post was worded makes me think the writer wasn't trying to put down the Ravens as much as "this is the team we have to leapfrog over to get to the playoffs, so, knowing what we've done to improve, what are that teams supposed weaknesses?" Just my opinion, but it's because the writer didn't seem to have much animosity behind his words -- but I could be totally wrong.

[JEEPercreepermd]

wow, their forums are nothing compared to what we have here! Looks like a safe haven for Steelers trolls. Anyway, I read the rest of that thread. It's pretty comical. I just think it's funny how they are calling Flacco "overrated" yet he HUMILIATED the Bungles last season, and they lost to him in his First game (Carson Palmer played that game btw) does anybody know the name of the linebacker Flacco put a block on when Clayton ran that reverse for a TD? That was hilarious. Also, they should be reminded that Flacco also ran 38 yards for a td in that game as well. They should also be Reminded that in two games last season our defense held the Bungles to just 6 offensive points.....6..two FG's in two games. Their one TD was a defensive td when Ray Rice fumbled in the first game. Bragging rights currently reside in Baltimore.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='Ravnet' date='13 July 2009 - 07:27 AM' timestamp='1247484428' post='206220']
I'm actually not being biased in the least by saying that the loss of Hue Jackson would have been a much more crushing blow than the exodus of Rex Ryan.

The Bengals are probably the least relevant franchise in the NFL all things considered, so until proven otherwise, I'm just going to pity their fanbase as usual.
[/quote]Agreed. Outsiders and casual fans don't realize how important Hue Jackson is to Flacco's development. Switching coaches so young in his career would severely hinder the progress he's made, and the entire offense would suffer as a result. Flacco needs Jackson in order to improve on the little things, and those little things in turn strengthen the big things that he'll learn on his own.

As for the Bengals, their fans have no room to talk. Whether this comes across as arrogance or not, it's true that the Ravens have had the Bengals' number throughout the history of the rivalry. Even in losing to the Steelers three times in a season, at least the Ravens were competitive in each game -- even (intelligent) Steeler fans will admit that.

[McBurks]

[quote name='BmoreBlitz' date='13 July 2009 - 03:02 AM' timestamp='1247468520' post='206206']
[b]The Ravens CB's certinally aren't in the same league as the tandem of McAlister/Rolle.[/b]

[/quote]

Our CB position is [b]stacked [/b]with Washington,Foxworth,Rolle,Webb, and Carr.McAlister is nearing retirement and Rolle should only be used for situational purposes.

[quote]
[b]Ed Reed can still bring it and make plays,but he can't carry a defense under going changes.
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[/b]
We lost a back-up safety and an overrated linebacker,what kind of changes impacted the team so much that Ed Reed needs to carry it by himself?Did I mention we still have Ray Lewis?

[quote]

We sweep Ravens unless WE lose(blow) a game. I don't see them being as dominant as last year. I think they have question marks at WR and an[b] Oline that still has something to prove[/b]. They do have a legit backfield and a good TE when healthy. Flacco will go through a sophmore slump..Their defense again will be what holds them above water..I think they go 7-9 and are third in the division behind Steelers and Bengals.

[/quote]

What else is there to prove?We drafted a franchise LT,Gaither locked down half the field last year and we signed a veteran Center in Matt Birk.


[quote]

I can't wait for the season to start.
[/quote]

None of us can.


[quote name='Magnusmd' date='13 July 2009 - 08:01 AM' timestamp='1247486495' post='206229']
Agreed, let them have their fun. What else do they have?
[/quote]

A front row ticket to see half of their players in court.

[quote name='baltimore_hokie' date='13 July 2009 - 10:36 AM' timestamp='1247495799' post='206247']
bart scott's influence IS overstated in our defense. his role is to blow up the fullback or offensive lineman in the second level to free ray up to make tackles. the way i see it, we have three guys on the roster that can fill that role. [b]it's much easier to find a guy to replace bart than it is ray[/b].
[/quote]

Exactly,he was role guy and they think he's gonna turn out like AD who went to the Pats and had success.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='BloodRaven' date='13 July 2009 - 03:17 AM' timestamp='1247469458' post='206209']
Browns 08 to be quite honest.
[/quote]

Yeah, the Bungles fans will be in for quite a shock this season... how long before Marvin Lewis gets fired?

[WinnipegRaven]

LOL - link = "Banned IP" - musta seen a Raven fan commin....

Bengals fans are notoriously obnoxious and in my opinion not of the soundest minds....

Those above posts appear to be by 2 different posters since they contradict eachother...
[quote]We sweep Ravens unless WE lose(blow) a game. I don't see them being as dominant as last year. I think they have question marks at WR and an Oline that still has something to prove. They do have a legit backfield and a good TE when healthy. Flacco will go through a sophmore slump..Their defense again will be what holds them above water..[/quote]

[quote]Bart Scott's value to that defense cannot be overstated. I think at this point,Harbaugh still hasn't found his successor(Gooden?).
Ray Lewis could always depend on Scott being "johnny on the spot".
The Ravens CB's certinally aren't in the same league as the tandem of McAlister/Rolle.
Ed Reed can still bring it and make plays,but he can't carry a defense under going changes.
The Ravens might be the Pats of 2009 where they win 9-10 games and still not get into the playoffs.
I think this is one team the Bengals have to sweep in order to have a legit chance to get in the playoffs.
[/quote]

So one guy thinks our D is falling apart and the other thinks it's what is going to carry us. Funny how they cant agree on that. I'm pretty sure we all know our D is going to be top tier so any talk otherwise is just plain foolish.
Talking about "We sweep Ravens unless WE lose(blow) a game." To me this means the poster feels it a lock that the Bungles will beat us both games this season. Probably written by a pre-pubescent boy who still wears his Palmer jersey to bed every night. But to say this isnt fair cause I wear my Lewis jersey to bed everynight so he'll protect me from the boogey man (jk)
To say we get swept though is a pretty bold statement. Especially when we won with our rookie QB week 1 last year, then DESTROYED them 34-3 week 13 (Yeehaw!) just shows a lack of brains in my opinion.

Any sensible person would think "Hmm, the Ravens have always has a sound D, lost a couple players but made the necessary pickups on the defensive side of the ball to compensate for those fellas leaving. Their O has grown leaps and bounds, have a tremendous backfield, a tremendous O-line that only got better in the offseason. Flacco by all accounts has only gotten better and they made it to the title game last year. That should translate into another winning season and another trip to the playoffs"

[WinnipegRaven]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' date='13 July 2009 - 11:19 AM' timestamp='1247505564' post='206266']how long before Marvin Lewis gets fired?
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My money = week 6

[darklight1216]

[quote name='Ravnet' date='13 July 2009 - 07:27 AM' timestamp='1247484428' post='206220']
I usually try to be fair and am [b]very quick to bash the Ravens at every opportunity,[/b] but this offseason in particular has been quite amusing to watch as completely uninformed fans continually remark that the Ravens are undergoing massive changes on the defensive side of the ball. It's just a joke.
[/quote] Do you have a yellow and black jersey in your closet? O.o
Lol j/k
[quote]
The Bengals are probably the least relevant franchise in the NFL all things considered, so until proven otherwise, I'm just going to pity their fanbase as usual.
[/quote]
You know, I think they're more relevant than the Browns, Rams, and Niners. At least Carson and Chad bring attention to that team, those other guys have no one.

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='13 July 2009 - 12:40 PM' timestamp='1247503236' post='206263']
Agreed. Outsiders and casual fans don't realize how important Hue Jackson is to Flacco's development. Switching coaches so young in his career would severely hinder the progress he's made, and the entire offense would suffer as a result. Flacco needs Jackson in order to improve on the little things, and those little things in turn strengthen the big things that he'll learn on his own.

As for the Bengals, their fans have no room to talk. Whether this comes across as arrogance or not, it's true that the [b]Ravens have had the Bengals' number throughout the history of the rivalry.[/b] Even in losing to the Steelers three times in a season, at least the Ravens were competitive in each game -- even (intelligent) Steeler fans will admit that.
[/quote]
We are clearly superior to that team, but head to head we are 13-13 with them.... the sad part is that we been 3-6 in our last meetings. >.< But hey, two of those wins were last year, so things are looking up as far as that goes.

[neepo13]

I can tell you how they feel without even reading your post. In short they, like alot of other fans around the league, think we are going to suck next year. They believe Flacco will have a 2nd year slump. They believe our defense wont be the same because Rex Ryan and his crew of aging backups are gone.

Bengals fans are not the only fans that think that way about us. Go read some of the other teams message boards around the league and that sentiment is the same everywhere.

But its all good. The best ****** whooping to give is the one they never saw coming.

[neepo13]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='13 July 2009 - 07:32 AM' timestamp='1247484736' post='206222']
Oh let them have their fun, when else can Bengals fans get excited except during the offseason? Sure, they're grasping at straws...:
"Derrick Mason is past his prime." (Just like last year)Mark Clayton isn't consistant.(Just like last year... and every year.)
"I believe the Ravens achilles heel could be their defense." (Yeah, that defense has always been a problem.)
but these weak arguements are all they have.
[/quote]

I agree, when you are a fan of a team that hasnt won a playoff game in two decades, you need something to hold onto. The dreams of what could be are all they have right now. No need for us to ruin it for them, their team will do that soon enough.

[Ravens52]

How many years has it been said where we have a declining defense? Seriously..

Every damn year.

[JEEPercreepermd]

Does anyone know when Palmer's contract is up? I'd think that a guy with his kind of talent would want a shot to win something atleast once in his career. Anyway, it's still funny that we held them to just two field goals and a defensive score last season

[baltimore_hokie]

[quote name='JEEPercreepermd' date='13 July 2009 - 02:48 PM' timestamp='1247510902' post='206296']
Does anyone know when Palmer's contract is up? I'd think that a guy with his kind of talent would want a shot to win something atleast once in his career. Anyway, it's still funny that we held them to just two field goals and a defensive score last season
[/quote]

signed a 6-year extension through 2014, plenty of more time to lose.

[JEEPercreepermd]

[quote name='baltimore_hokie' date='13 July 2009 - 02:49 PM' timestamp='1247510983' post='206298']
signed a 6-year extension through 2014, plenty of more time to lose.
[/quote]
That's kind of funny lol. Oh btw I was kind of thumbing through their threads it seems that they all want CMac. They can have him..he'll take too much money and be hurt most of the season. These poor people think they they are going to sweep the Ravens, beat Pittsburgh, finish 11-5 and win the Division or atleast a wild card. obviously their kool-aide was spiked

[tweety]

I don't know if are personnel is better than our 2006 year, but it improved over the last two years.