The Rise Of Joe Flacco

[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='flynismo' date='10 July 2009 - 12:29 AM' timestamp='1247207370' post='205831']
Flacco showed his inexperience at times, but dammit, all in all that was an amazing debut!
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Ya I dont know what it was but i wasnt ever really nervous about him while he was in. he just reminded me of a skinny Big Jen with a better arm

[darklight1216]

[quote name='flynismo' date='10 July 2009 - 12:07 AM' timestamp='1247198845' post='205817']
Our defense and special teams?

That aside, Flacco is the man.
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Our defense and special teams [i]and offense[/i].

Look at the post I was replying to. That person basically said to discount other teammates (receivers were being spoken of) so I was like, "Okay forget them, let the wins speak for themselves."
There is no way that you can say Joe Flacco rode his defense/special teams/coaching staff/favorable refs/good weather/luck/etc and say that Matt Ryan and his one more td didn't have any help winning games.

[Bullrush]

[quote name='flynismo' date='10 July 2009 - 05:07 AM' timestamp='1247198845' post='205817']
Our defense and special teams?

That aside, Flacco is the man.
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The same defense that was responsible for our loss in Pittsburgh? Because Flacco kept us in that game.

3-9-PIT 16 [i](2:48) (Shotgun) 5-J.Flacco pass incomplete deep right to 85-D.Mason. BAL-41-F.Walker was injured during the play. PENALTY on PIT-20-B.McFadden, Defensive Pass Interference, 13 yards, enforced at PIT 16 - No Play.[/i]
Timeout #2 by PIT at 02:44.
1-3-PIT 3 [b](2:44) #92 Ngata, #78 Terry report as eligible. 23-W.McGahee left guard for 3 yards, TOUCHDOWN.[/b]


2-7-PIT 21 [i](9:38) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 5-J.Flacco pass incomplete deep left to 81-M.Smith. Coverage by #24 Taylor. PENALTY on PIT-24-I.Taylor, Defensive Pass Interference, 20 yards, enforced at PIT 21 - No Play.[/i]
1-1-PIT 1 [b](9:32) #78 Terry, #92 Ngata report as eligible. 23-W.McGahee right end for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.


[/b]Are you also trying to say that Flacco was not the main reason why we beat Tennessee? How many points did our defense put on the board? 0? Chris Johnson crushed that defense. Had it not been for that ankle injury god knows what the Titans would have done to this defense. It would have been embarrassing, so lets not act as if that defense saved us with a record breaking performance. They looked awful as long as Johnson was in there. I don't know how that helped us beat the Titans. Sure, they created some turnovers, but that's only evening things out for how bad they actually played. If you allow a 98 yard drive and then you recover a fumble at your own 1yd line that hardly helps your QB. It's a bad spot, you're gonna have to punt regardless. We didn't even have a running game.

Flacco kept us in the game and he did more against an even better defense that day (Titans) than Collins did against ours. He threw a 50yd TD pass and also set up the FG to tie the game. He set up another FG to win the game for us. It's hard to win games when you put 0 points on the board. Flacco was responsible for all 13 that day.

Another example was a 3rd and long situation when the game was tied late in the game. With heavy pressure Flacco threw a picture perfect pass to Heap, right between two defenders to get us a 1st down which set up the game winning FG i believe.

I'm not saying he's the only reason why we got to where we got (AFC CCG). But i am saying that he was a big part of why we got there. To say that we made it this far because of the defense and special teams (whatever did they do?) is kind of ridiculous. Look up the play by plays, you'll be surprised how many key moments he had, how many key plays he made.

[lowrider]

[quote name='Bullrush' date='10 July 2009 - 08:17 AM' timestamp='1247228247' post='205849']
The same defense that was responsible for our loss in Pittsburgh? Because Flacco kept us in that game.

3-9-PIT 16 [i](2:48) (Shotgun) 5-J.Flacco pass incomplete deep right to 85-D.Mason. BAL-41-F.Walker was injured during the play. PENALTY on PIT-20-B.McFadden, Defensive Pass Interference, 13 yards, enforced at PIT 16 - No Play.[/i]
Timeout #2 by PIT at 02:44.
1-3-PIT 3 [b](2:44) #92 Ngata, #78 Terry report as eligible. 23-W.McGahee left guard for 3 yards, TOUCHDOWN.[/b]


2-7-PIT 21 [i](9:38) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 5-J.Flacco pass incomplete deep left to 81-M.Smith. Coverage by #24 Taylor. PENALTY on PIT-24-I.Taylor, Defensive Pass Interference, 20 yards, enforced at PIT 21 - No Play.[/i]
1-1-PIT 1 [b](9:32) #78 Terry, #92 Ngata report as eligible. 23-W.McGahee right end for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.


[/b]Are you also trying to say that Flacco was not the main reason why we beat Tennessee? How many points did our defense put on the board? 0? Chris Johnson crushed that defense. Had it not been for that ankle injury god knows what the Titans would have done to this defense. It would have been embarrassing, so lets not act as if that defense saved us with a record breaking performance. They looked awful as long as Johnson was in there. I don't know how that helped us beat the Titans. Sure, they created some turnovers, but that's only evening things out for how bad they actually played. If you allow a 98 yard drive and then you recover a fumble at your own 1yd line that hardly helps your QB. It's a bad spot, you're gonna have to punt regardless. We didn't even have a running game.

Flacco kept us in the game and he did more against an even better defense that day (Titans) than Collins did against ours. He threw a 50yd TD pass and also set up the FG to tie the game. He set up another FG to win the game for us. It's hard to win games when you put 0 points on the board. Flacco was responsible for all 13 that day.

Another example was a 3rd and long situation when the game was tied late in the game. With heavy pressure Flacco threw a picture perfect pass to Heap, right between two defenders to get us a 1st down which set up the game winning FG i believe.

I'm not saying he's the only reason why we got to where we got (AFC CCG). But i am saying that he was a big part of why we got there. To say that we made it this far because of the defense and special teams (whatever did they do?) is kind of ridiculous. Look up the play by plays, you'll be surprised how many key moments he had, how many key plays he made.
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You can point out individual events that happened. No defense is perfect. But you can't deny that our defense kept us in games. Just because they didn't put any points on the board doesn't mean they didn't win games for us. Our defense kept our team in the game so Flacco could win the game. Without our defense, Flacco wouldn't have had the opportunity to win the games. The first Titans game, and every steelers game, Flacco did horrible and yet the Ravens were still in the game. That was because of our defense.

Flacco did make a couple of really impressive drives but our passing was ranked 28th for a reason. Flacco didn't put up the best stats (he was a rookie, I don't fault him for that, but still the facts remain). Without our defense being as good, the Ravens would not have been in the AFC championship. Flacco is a very good qb and hopefully will be great some day but games that should have been over because of his inexperience, our defense kept us in it.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='flynismo' date='10 July 2009 - 02:26 AM' timestamp='1247207164' post='205829']
Ed Reed single handedly whooped Miami, and we beat TEN due to an insane amount of turnovers forced by our D and then a last second FG by Stover in a 13-10 victory.

Flacco is my new man crush, but even I cant lie for him on this one, lol, as much as I would love to!

Dont worry though, I think that soon enough Bazooka Joe will be putting our D on his shoulders and carrying us to and through the postseason.
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I agree with what u say to a point, but not 100%. Ed might have mad big plays in the Miami game, but something has to be said for the Offense never putting the defense in a position to defend a short field. Other then the first possesion of the game. Something could be said for the long pass to Mason down the sideline, to put points on the board before HalfTime. We can't really say what that did or didn't do for the teams confidence at that point.

If u are gonna give the Defense credit for winning the Ten game, then u have to give the defense the same amount of blame for letting that Ten offense move up and down the field on them. Say what you want about the offense, but if Flacco and the guys don't respond to that Ten TD in the first QB, with a TD pass of their own. That game could have gotten out of hand for us. The kid drove us down the field 80 yards to slience a hostile crowd.

It's not point to play if and shoulda coulda woulda, but just for fun. Lets say that Ten score that TD. Then Flacco comes back and throws a pick deep in our own territory. How much different do u think that game would have been if we spoted Ten a 10-14 point lead?

Also it was Flacco that made the pass to put Stover in position to make that Field. I have said many times before, that if Flacco doesn't complete that pass to Clayton for like 7 yards, i don't think Stover even attempt the FG. I think Hauschka would have, or we go for it on 4th down. So that little 5-7 yard pass that didn't even result in a 1st down, meant so much to us.

If you remember the Mark Clayton thread, then u would know that i was one of the main people saying that Flacco didn't really have a great season. However, i can't act like he didn't matter at all with us making it like 5 minutes away from the Superbowl.

[Ravensfan23]

Another thing on the whole QB and winning games/championships. Look at Peyton Manning. It seemed like he did everything possible to lose games in the 06' playoffs. I think he had something like 6 turnovers in the first to game vs KC, and US. He's defense and running game picked him up. Even though Manning played poorly, one of the first things he will be remembered by now is that fact that he is a Super Bowl winning QB.

So as poorly as the offense played at times in the postseason, they also made some plays aswell. I think Flacco and company definately deserve credit.

[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='flynismo' date='10 July 2009 - 12:26 AM' timestamp='1247207164' post='205829']
Ed Reed single handedly whooped Miami, and we beat TEN due to an insane amount of turnovers forced by our D and then a last second FG by Stover in a 13-10 victory.

Flacco is my new man crush, but even I cant lie for him on this one, lol, as much as I would love to!

Dont worry though, I think that soon enough Bazooka Joe will be putting our D on his shoulders and carrying us to and through the postseason.
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ill have to see this game again.... luckly enough its on at 4 pm est on 7/19 NFLN my dvr is set

[Bullrush]

[quote name='lowrider' date='10 July 2009 - 02:39 PM' timestamp='1247233192' post='205854']
Flacco did make a couple of really impressive drives but our passing was ranked 28th for a reason. Flacco didn't put up the best stats (he was a rookie, I don't fault him for that, but still the facts remain).[/quote]
We're ranked that low because we didn't throw the ball a lot (ranked 30th in attempts per game). Not because when we threw the ball we couldn't get any yards.

It's like saying we had a top 5 running game. We're up there because we ran the ball so many times, not because we averaged so many yards per carry, like the Vikings or even the Giants. Those teams have a great running game. We don't. You have to look at the yards per carry average, that tells you more about how good your running game was. The total yards doesn't tell you a whole lot. Even a team that averages 1 yard per carry could be up there in the top 5 if all they did was run the ball and then get a 1st down on 3rd and long here and there in the passing game to continue to run the ball after that. But that doesn't mean that team has a great running game.

If you look at how many yards per carry we averaged you'd realize that our running game was one of he worst in the league. We're ranked 28th, just ahead of the Browns and the Lions.

Now take a look at our passing game. We were averaging 7.1 yards per pass attempt (ranked 12th). We're ahead of the Colts and the Patriots. You can also look at our QB rating, we're ahead of the Steelers. So had we thrown the ball more often we would have definitely been in the top 10-12 area in terms of passing yards per game. Another reason for that (not throwing) is that usually we either killed our opponents or they killed us. We didn't have any close games except for 2-3 times maybe. And that's when we played Pittsburgh or Tennessee. Not exactly a game where you can expect your QB to produce hall of fame numbers.

Flacco was crushing a lot of teams in the 2nd half of the season. But because our defense was so stout or their offenses were just so bad, Flacco never really got an opportunity to throw the ball a lot vs weaker defenses. Every time he got hot we tried to kill the clock with the running game because we were already up by 10-20 points. So, a good defense doesn't really help you in terms of putting up good numbers. They help you win games, but they don't help your QB rating. Has Roethlisberger ever cracked 400 passing yards per game? I doubt it. Tom Brady usually doesn't put up 500 yards per game. But that's what Brees does almost every week.

But there are always different angles, many of them.

[lowrider]

[quote name='Bullrush' date='10 July 2009 - 01:03 PM' timestamp='1247245431' post='205884']
We're ranked that low because we didn't throw the ball a lot (ranked 30th in attempts per game). Not because when we threw the ball we couldn't get any yards.

It's like saying we had a top 5 running game. We're up there because we ran the ball so many times, not because we averaged so many yards per carry, like the Vikings or even the Giants. Those teams have a great running game. We don't. You have to look at the yards per carry average, that tells you more about how good your running game was. The total yards doesn't tell you a whole lot. Even a team that averages 1 yard per carry could be up there in the top 5 if all they did was run the ball and then get a 1st down on 3rd and long here and there in the passing game to continue to run the ball after that. But that doesn't mean that team has a great running game.

If you look at how many yards per carry we averaged you'd realize that our running game was one of he worst in the league. We're ranked 28th, just ahead of the Browns and the Lions.

Now take a look at our passing game. We were averaging 7.1 yards per pass attempt (ranked 12th). We're ahead of the Colts and the Patriots. You can also look at our QB rating, we're ahead of the Steelers. So had we thrown the ball more often we would have definitely been in the top 10-12 area in terms of passing yards per game. Another reason for that (not throwing) is that usually we either killed our opponents or they killed us. We didn't have any close games except for 2-3 times maybe. And that's when we played Pittsburgh or Tennessee. Not exactly a game where you can expect your QB to produce hall of fame numbers.

Flacco was crushing a lot of teams in the 2nd half of the season. But because our defense was so stout or their offenses were just so bad, Flacco never really got an opportunity to throw the ball a lot vs weaker defenses. Every time he got hot we tried to kill the clock with the running game because we were already up by 10-20 points. So, a good defense doesn't really help you in terms of putting up good numbers. They help you win games, but they don't help your QB rating. Has Roethlisberger ever cracked 400 passing yards per game? I doubt it. Tom Brady usually doesn't put up 500 yards per game. But that's what Brees does almost every week.

But there are always different angles, many of them.
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I can admit when i was wrong. +1 for you

[darklight1216]

Excellent posts, Bullrush.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Mahatma_Sloth' date='10 July 2009 - 12:58 PM' timestamp='1247245139' post='205883']
ill have to see this game again.... luckly enough its on at 4 pm est on 7/19 NFLN my dvr is set
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Which game? I'll watch the TEN game again, that was a classic!

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='flynismo' date='10 July 2009 - 11:42 PM' timestamp='1247283742' post='205942']
Which game? I'll watch the TEN game again, that was a classic!
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and beating up on miami is always good entertainment


especially after 2007

[shaikh015]

The two teams that we seriously spanked last year was Dallas, Miami and the Eagles....LOL

[1/28/01]

[quote name='shaikh015' date='11 July 2009 - 07:00 PM' timestamp='1247353212' post='206018']
Th two teams that we seriously spanked last year was [b]Dallas, Miami and the Eagles[/b]....LOL
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Two?

[shaikh015]

I'm sorry, I meant 3...

[darklight1216]

[quote name='shaikh015' date='11 July 2009 - 07:00 PM' timestamp='1247353212' post='206018']
The two teams that we seriously spanked last year was Dallas, Miami and the Eagles....LOL
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Cleveland, Cincy, Oakland, and Houston... we had alot of blow-outs last year, and two (NY,Indy) that we were on the wrong side of.

[tweety]

[quote name='Bullrush' date='10 July 2009 - 01:03 PM' timestamp='1247245431' post='205884']
We're ranked that low because we didn't throw the ball a lot (ranked 30th in attempts per game). Not because when we threw the ball we couldn't get any yards.

It's like saying we had a top 5 running game. We're up there because we ran the ball so many times, not because we averaged so many yards per carry, like the Vikings or even the Giants. Those teams have a great running game. We don't. You have to look at the yards per carry average, that tells you more about how good your running game was. The total yards doesn't tell you a whole lot. Even a team that averages 1 yard per carry could be up there in the top 5 if all they did was run the ball and then get a 1st down on 3rd and long here and there in the passing game to continue to run the ball after that. But that doesn't mean that team has a great running game.

If you look at how many yards per carry we averaged you'd realize that our running game was one of he worst in the league. We're ranked 28th, just ahead of the Browns and the Lions.

Now take a look at our passing game. We were averaging 7.1 yards per pass attempt (ranked 12th). We're ahead of the Colts and the Patriots. You can also look at our QB rating, we're ahead of the Steelers. So had we thrown the ball more often we would have definitely been in the top 10-12 area in terms of passing yards per game. Another reason for that (not throwing) is that usually we either killed our opponents or they killed us. We didn't have any close games except for 2-3 times maybe. And that's when we played Pittsburgh or Tennessee. Not exactly a game where you can expect your QB to produce hall of fame numbers.

Flacco was crushing a lot of teams in the 2nd half of the season. But because our defense was so stout or their offenses were just so bad, Flacco never really got an opportunity to throw the ball a lot vs weaker defenses. Every time he got hot we tried to kill the clock with the running game because we were already up by 10-20 points. So, a good defense doesn't really help you in terms of putting up good numbers. They help you win games, but they don't help your QB rating. Has Roethlisberger ever cracked 400 passing yards per game? I doubt it. Tom Brady usually doesn't put up 500 yards per game. But that's what Brees does almost every week.

But there are always different angles, many of them.
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Hate to play Devil Advocate but the less you run the higher you YPC is because opposing defenses will be playing the pass. Same for the pass. There are just so many ways to analyze things.

These days you can't even compare apples to apples.

[neepo13]

[quote name='tweety' date='11 July 2009 - 08:55 PM' timestamp='1247360113' post='206030']
[b]Hate to play Devil Advocate but the less you run the higher you YPC is [/b]because opposing defenses will be playing the pass. Same for the pass. There are just so many ways to analyze things.

These days you can't even compare apples to apples.
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That CAN be true. But thats not a given. If you suck at it then you just do. If your only getting 2 yards every time you carry the ball then your still only going to have 2 yards per carry, whether you run 15 times or 35 times.

[tweety]

[quote name='neepo13' date='11 July 2009 - 10:05 PM' timestamp='1247364358' post='206041']
That CAN be true. But thats not a given. If you suck at it then you just do. If your only getting 2 yards every time you carry the ball then your still only going to have 2 yards per carry, whether you run 15 times or 35 times.
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You are more likely to get 2 YPC if the opposing defense is playing the run over the pass. Which is the difference between 15 RPG and 35 RPG.

This all ties into you saying our Rushing game isn't as Strong as it seems because our YPC is low. When our YPC is low because the opposite defense is focused on Rush not pass.

[b]edit[/b]

[neepo13]

[quote name='tweety' date='11 July 2009 - 10:44 PM' timestamp='1247366642' post='206047']
You are more likely to get 2 YPC if the opposing defense is playing the run over the pass. Which is the difference between 15 RPG and 35 RPG.

This all ties into you saying our Rushing game isn't as Strong as it seems because our YPC is low. When our YPC is low because the opposite defense is focused on Rush not pass.

PS: Last season we were 4th in YPC and 4th in total Rushing.
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And like I said its not a given. If what you say is true, that is that the less you run the higher your YPC is then the Colts- who ranked 30th in rushing attempts should not be ranked dead last in YPC with 3.4 YPC. The Colts do have the passing attack that fits the scenario that you speak of as they ranked in the top 5 in passing. Based on your theory, because they dont run the ball as much and defenses focus on their passing game, they should be ranked higher than us in YPC but like I've already stated they are ranked dead last.

On the flip side of that you have a team like the Chiefs that ranked just ahead of the Colts in attempts but still ranked 2nd in YPC.

The Chiefs fit your theory the Colts dont. Thats why I said it can be true but is not a given. Like I said if you are bad at it then it doesnt matter how much you do it, the numbers will reflect it.

Last season we averaged 4 YPC, thats not ranked 4th in the NFL. That good for a tie at 21st.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?offensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&archive=false&seasonType=REG&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&d-447263-o=2&conference=null&d-447263-s=RUSHING_AVERAGE_YARDS&d-447263-n=1&season=2008&qualified=true&Submit=Go&tabSeq=2&role=TM&d-447263-p=1

[tweety]

[quote name='neepo13' date='11 July 2009 - 11:57 PM' timestamp='1247371044' post='206051']
And like I said its not a given. If what you say is true, that is that the less you run the higher your YPC is then the Colts- who ranked 30th in rushing attempts should not be ranked dead last in YPC with 3.4 YPC. The Colts do have the passing attack that fits the scenario that you speak of as they ranked in the top 5 in passing. Based on your theory, because they dont run the ball as much and defenses focus on their passing game, they should be ranked higher than us in YPC but like I've already stated they are ranked dead last.

On the flip side of that you have a team like the Chiefs that ranked just ahead of the Colts in attempts but still ranked 2nd in YPC.

The Chiefs fit your theory the Colts dont. Thats why I said it can be true but is not a given. Like I said if you are bad at it then it doesnt matter how much you do it, the numbers will reflect it.

Last season we averaged 4 YPC, thats not ranked 4th in the NFL. That good for a tie at 21st.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?offensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&archive=false&seasonType=REG&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&d-447263-o=2&conference=null&d-447263-s=RUSHING_AVERAGE_YARDS&d-447263-n=1&season=2008&qualified=true&Submit=Go&tabSeq=2&role=TM&d-447263-p=1
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You have to control the variables. While the Colts running game is sub-par you can't compare to the other teams in the league. The defenses they play, the Offensive line, and the Running back.

If the only variable change was the amount of Rush attempts from 370 to 550, the latter would more likely accumulate more yards but less YPC.

[EdReedFTW]

[quote name='neepo13' date='11 July 2009 - 11:57 PM' timestamp='1247371044' post='206051']
And like I said its not a given. If what you say is true, that is that the less you run the higher your YPC is then the Colts- who ranked 30th in rushing attempts should not be ranked dead last in YPC with 3.4 YPC. The Colts do have the passing attack that fits the scenario that you speak of as they ranked in the top 5 in passing. Based on your theory, because they dont run the ball as much and defenses focus on their passing game, they should be ranked higher than us in YPC but like I've already stated they are ranked dead last.

On the flip side of that you have a team like the Chiefs that ranked just ahead of the Colts in attempts but still ranked 2nd in YPC.

The Chiefs fit your theory the Colts dont. Thats why I said it can be true but is not a given. Like I said if you are bad at it then it doesnt matter how much you do it, the numbers will reflect it.

[b]Last season we averaged 4 YPC, thats not ranked 4th in the NFL. That good for a tie at 21st. [/b]

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?offensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&archive=false&seasonType=REG&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&d-447263-o=2&conference=null&d-447263-s=RUSHING_AVERAGE_YARDS&d-447263-n=1&season=2008&qualified=true&Submit=Go&tabSeq=2&role=TM&d-447263-p=1
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I was just about to mention that. When you have your top two rushers both under 4.0 a carry your overall stats are going to look horrible unless you are addicted to running the ball, just like we were last year to good effect.

[tweety]

[quote name='EdReedFTW' date='12 July 2009 - 01:05 AM' timestamp='1247375101' post='206056']
I was just about to mention that. When you have your top two rushers both under 4.0 a carry your overall stats are going to look horrible unless you are addicted to running the ball, just like we were last year to good effect.
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When you are 30th for pass attempts, inevitable you will make your opponents concentrate on the Run.

Back to Joe Flacco, we will need him to gain Cameron's trust in-order to take the load off our Strong run game.

[EdReedFTW]

[quote name='tweety' date='12 July 2009 - 01:24 AM' timestamp='1247376252' post='206059']
When you are 30th for pass attempts, inevitable you will make your opponents concentrate on the Run.

Back to Joe Flacco, we will need him to gain Cameron's trust in-order to take the load off our Strong run game.
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I'm not argueing the reasoning behind the ypc average, i was just letting you know you have an incorrect stat. As for flacco have cam's trust, IMO he already does. If you look at the last several games we had we passed significantly more than we did earlier in the year.

[shaikh015]

Cam Cameron is an offensive genius and if you don't believe me go ask Mike martz....LOL

[neepo13]

[quote name='tweety' date='12 July 2009 - 01:00 AM' timestamp='1247374815' post='206055']
[b]You have to control the variables. While the Colts running game is sub-par you can't compare to the other teams in the league. The defenses they play, the Offensive line, and the Running back.[/b]

If the only variable change was the amount of Rush attempts from 370 to 550, the latter would more likely accumulate more yards but less YPC.
[/quote]

Which is exactly why blanket statements like this one can not be made:

[quote name='tweety' date='11 July 2009 - 08:55 PM' timestamp='1247360113' post='206030']
Hate to play Devil Advocate but the less you run the higher you YPC is because opposing defenses will be playing the pass. Same for the pass.
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Thats all I am saying to you. Some times that statement is true some times its not, like I pointed out with the situations of the Colts and Chiefs. Its true for the Chiefs but not so for the Colts.

[JoeCool#5]

[quote name='RoflDogs' date='09 July 2009 - 04:08 PM' timestamp='1247173697' post='205768']
Currently in my mind, there is a major difference between the two...

Matt Ryan had AT LEAST 1 4th quarter comeback (against the bears if I remember correctly)

but Flacco does not......yet....

If Flacco can become John Elway-esque or even Ben Roethlisberger-esque in come backing than I don't care if he does not have tom brady like numbers personally.
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Guess you missed week 9. When the Ravens were down 13-27 to the Browns. And the offense scored 24 unanswered in the 2nd half.

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='JoeCool#5' date='12 July 2009 - 01:05 PM' timestamp='1247418347' post='206096']
Guess you missed week 9. When the Ravens were down 13-27 to the Browns. And the offense scored 24 unanswered in the 2nd half.
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were we behind going into the 4th quarter?

and I mean by like 2 scores

[JoeCool#5]

I dont know. I just remember the ravens scoring 24 unanswered. I will have to take a look at the box score.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Reddawn36' date='12 July 2009 - 01:07 PM' timestamp='1247418468' post='206098']
were we behind going into the 4th quarter?

and I mean by like 2 scores
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I'm not certain but I *think* we were down 11 heading into the fourth.

All I remember is thinking when they went up 27-13, that if we pulled off a comeback then this team is for real.