Qb Corps Power Rankings

[Alexir]

So I was on comcast to see if anyone else died this month, and came across an article about the top QB Corps in the NFL. Basically they judged this upon the starter and the QBs behind him. The NO Saints are number 1 having Brees, Brunell and Harrington. Broncos are last with Orton, Simms, and Brandstater.

I don't want to sound Bias but I felt we should have been better than 16th on this list. The ones they put infront of us are kind of laughable (Texans with Matt Schaub, Dan Orvolsky and Rex Grossman).

Here's the link, look for yourself.

[url="http://www.comcast.net/slideshow/sports-qbrankings/"]http://www.comcast.net/slideshow/sports-qbrankings/[/url]

[darklight1216]

I think this article lost all credibility when it put Tony Romordinary and the gang at number 3.... No wait there's more: Jake Delhomme.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Alexir' date='30 June 2009 - 02:15 PM' timestamp='1246385747' post='204452']
So I was on comcast to see if anyone else died this month, and came across an article about the top QB Corps in the NFL. Basically they judged this upon the starter and the QBs behind him. The NO Saints are number 1 having Brees, Brunell and Harrington. Broncos are last with Orton, Simms, and Brandstater.

I don't want to sound Bias but I felt we should have been better than 16th on this list. The ones they put infront of us are kind of laughable (Texans with Matt Schaub, Dan Orvolsky and Rex Grossman).

Here's the link, look for yourself.

[url="http://www.comcast.net/slideshow/sports-qbrankings/"]http://www.comcast.n...rts-qbrankings/[/url]
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Not biased at all; but in all fairness, if you consider it from their POV, we have a second year player starting at QB, and the guys behind him are even more unproven. Middle of the pack was a fair ranking (maybe even generous, if we are going off of last year), but because we know what Flacco is capable of, our expectations are much higher than theirs.

Knock on wood, assuming Joe stays healthy, I think he will emerge as a top 8-10 QB this season.

[McBurks]

Whoever did this list should be banished from watching football.The only one I could agree with was NO,because Brees is a beast,Brunell can hold his own and Harrington is a former first round pick.

[H8R]

Texans have 3 guys that have started, Orton isn't that bad and Orlovsky was on a Horrible team. schaub had decent numbers. I'd say they rank higher then us as far as back-ups.

[Alexir]

[quote name='H8R' date='30 June 2009 - 07:06 PM' timestamp='1246403198' post='204504']
Texans have 3 guys that have started, Orton isn't that bad and Orlovsky was on a Horrible team. schaub had decent numbers. I'd say they rank higher then us as far as back-ups.
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I think you mean Grossman and yeah he is bad, he is worse than Kyle Boller. Orlovsky would have done worse if it werent for having CJ, I mean did you see that play where he was running in the back of the endzone not realizing he just gave himself a safety as for Schaub, he gets injured too much and I would not put him in the top 20 QBs.

Our QBs might be unproven but I think they are smart enough not to run out the back of the endzone while looking down field..

[lowrider]

I stopped after I saw Jake Delhomme in front of Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. I guess it's because Carolina has more balanced QB's if Jake goes down. But what is the purpose of having a list of the best backup QB's. The majority of them don't see the field. And Tony Romo doesn't deserve to be up there.

[jfc13]

[quote name='flynismo' date='30 June 2009 - 02:33 PM' timestamp='1246386839' post='204457']
Not biased at all; but in all fairness, if you consider it from their POV, we have a second year player starting at QB, and the guys behind him are even more unproven. Middle of the pack was a fair ranking (maybe even generous, if we are going off of last year), but because we know what Flacco is capable of, our expectations are much higher than theirs.

Knock on wood, assuming Joe stays healthy, I think he will emerge as a top 8-10 QB this season.
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I agree. As much as we love Joe and are counting on him for this season and beyond, he still is unproven for the long haul.

But then, the article ranked Ryan higher [#11] while saying he had no substantial backup but Eli Manning down to #17 because HE had no backup. If Ryan, an unproven rookie, can elevate his QB corps ranking, surely a proven QB could upgrade his even more? Ryan had a great rookie year, but, like with Joe, I'd have to see a few years of consistent playing before I'd give him the ability to affect a ranking this substantially.

[flynismo]

[quote name='jfc13' date='01 July 2009 - 09:49 AM' timestamp='1246456188' post='204587']
I agree. As much as we love Joe and are counting on him for this season and beyond, he still is unproven for the long haul.

But then, the article ranked Ryan higher [#11] while saying he had no substantial backup but Eli Manning down to #17 because HE had no backup. If Ryan, an unproven rookie, can elevate his QB corps ranking, surely a proven QB could upgrade his even more? Ryan had a great rookie year, but, like with Joe, I'd have to see a few years of consistent playing before I'd give him the ability to affect a ranking this substantially.
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God, I havent even read the article yet, but just the mere mention of Ryan aggravates me...so ridiculous how everyone hangs off his nuts.

[Strangebru]

I keep pointing this out to Steelers fans, and I will point it out here again with this list. Ben Roethlisberger's fifth year stats were very nearly identical to Joe Flacco's rookie stats. So if you are going to list Big Ben and the Steelers QB's @ #2 you need to raise Joe Flacco and the Ravens QB's # higher. If you agree that Joe Flacco deserves to be # 16 then you have to lower Ben Roethlisberger's #. Just like with the HOF voting Super Bowl victories are hugely over rated, or in this case makes their players get over rated.

Football is a team sport, that is the one thing this list did get right by judging backups as well, and it wasn't Ben Roethlisberger that won the Super Bowl alone. As a QB he is extremely average. His WR's have bailed him out more than his skills have, and for a rookie QB to come into the NFL and put up similar numbers with "less talent" at WR (I don't believe this but with all of the Anquan Boldin and Brandon Marshall threads on this board some of you that are reading this may believe that) than the Steelers should never have happened. The other 21 starters on the Steelers team are just as responsible for the last two Super Bowl victories as Ben, if not more, and once again can not understand why Ben gets more credit than he deserves. I mean the Steelers defense and special teams scored 13 points and their offense scored 14 points (only 1 Roethlisberger passing TD) during the Super Bowl, 21 points was generated by the Cardinals offense (all 3 Kurt Warner passing TD's) and only 2 points by their defense (safety).

Getting off of my Big Ben doesn't deserve to be listed so high soap box:

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[*]1) The Cowboys Tony Romo and Jon Kitna are #3?
[*]2) The Saints with Drew Brees and Mark Brunell should be the #1 team.
[*]3) I am totally shocked that the Patriots with Tom Brady and pretty much anyone else are listed at #6 with the media love affair with them.
[*]4) Basically the same reason as above with the Colts at #7.
[*]5) The biggest slap in the face was with the Falcons with Matt Ryan and Chris Redman at #11 with the Ravens at #16 (didn't the Ravens cut Chris Redman?).
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on the positive though:

[list=1]

[*]1) They do have Eli and the Giants at #17.
[*]2) I guess it is better to have a rookie QB and a former Ravens QB then to have a former top 10 QB and a former Ravens QB, just ask the Rams at #22.
[*]3) They have 6 teams listed below the Lions for QB situation?
[/list]

[scotchtape622]

Worst list ever. Ever. Of all time.

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='Strangebru' date='01 July 2009 - 11:52 AM' timestamp='1246463570' post='204599']
I keep pointing this out to Steelers fans, and I will point it out here again with this list. Ben Roethlisberger's fifth year A were very nearly identical to Joe Flacco's rookie stats. So if you are going to list Big Ben and the Steelers QB's @ #2 you need to raise Joe Flacco and the Ravens QB's # higher. If you agree that Joe Flacco deserves to be # 16 then you have to lower Ben Roethlisberger's #. Just like with the HOF voting Super Bowl victories are hugely over rated, or in this case makes their players get over rated.

Football is a team sport, that is the one thing this list did get right by judging backups as well, and it wasn't Ben Roethlisberger that won the Super Bowl alone. As a QB he is extremely average. His WR's have bailed him out more than his skills have, and for a rookie QB to come into the NFL and put up similar numbers with "less talent" at WR (I don't believe this but with all of the Anquan Boldin and Brandon Marshall threads on this board some of you that are reading this may believe that) than the Steelers should never have happened. The other 21 starters on the Steelers team are just as responsible for the last two Super Bowl victories as Ben, if not more, and once again can not understand why Ben gets more credit than he deserves. I mean the Steelers defense and special teams scored 13 points and their offense scored 14 points (only 1 Roethlisberger passing TD) during the Super Bowl, 21 points was generated by the Cardinals offense (all 3 Kurt Warner passing TD's) and only 2 points by their defense (safety).

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but if you compare rookie years,big ben blew flacco out of the water

3 out of his five seasons ben did better then flacco did last year

and last year as you stated he did equal.....so you think flacco should be rated as high as ben because he tied ben's stats on his second to worst year

who is to say flacco's bad years wont be that much worse then bens

so the only fair comparison is rookie years and ben wins that match up

[plesiosaur]

[quote name='flynismo' date='01 July 2009 - 11:09 AM' timestamp='1246460993' post='204592']
God, I havent even read the article yet, but just the mere mention of Ryan aggravates me...so ridiculous how everyone hangs off his nuts.
[/quote]

That is annoying.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' date='04 July 2009 - 01:31 PM' timestamp='1246728671' post='204969']
but if you compare rookie years,big ben blew flacco out of the water

3 out of his five seasons ben did better then flacco did last year

and last year as you stated he did equal.....so you think flacco should be rated as high as ben because he tied ben's stats on his second to worst year

who is to say flacco's bad years wont be that much worse then bens

so the only fair comparison is rookie years and ben wins that match up
[/quote]
Or... you could say that after five years, Ben is barely better than a rookie. Just throwing that out there...

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='04 July 2009 - 03:38 PM' timestamp='1246736336' post='204982']
Or... you could say that after five years, Ben is barely better than a rookie. Just throwing that out there...
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but last year he was the 2nd best in the league

and his first two years he almost had a 100 qb rating

so only two years did he play at flacco's level or below

we will see if flacco is as accomplished as ben in 4 years and he is already behind

[darklight1216]

^ Whatever. Joe had more obstacles, and he still go to the same conference championship game that Ben did.

[TSizzle00]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' date='04 July 2009 - 01:31 PM' timestamp='1246728671' post='204969']
but if you compare rookie years,big ben blew flacco out of the water

3 out of his five seasons ben did better then flacco did last year

and last year as you stated he did equal.....so you think flacco should be rated as high as ben because he tied ben's stats on his second to worst year

who is to say flacco's bad years wont be that much worse then bens

so the only fair comparison is rookie years and ben wins that match up
[/quote]


Didn't Ben have Plaxico and a Hines Ward in his prime his first year?

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='05 July 2009 - 09:11 AM' timestamp='1246799469' post='205124']
^ Whatever. Joe had more obstacles, and he still go to the same conference championship game that Ben did.
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Really like what?

if your talking about hardness of the defenses lets take a look

Flacco vs top ten D's (rookie year)

Pit-L
Pit-L
NYG-L
Ten-L
Was-W
Phi-W

Big Ben vs top ten D's (rookie year)

Bal-L
Bal-W
Buf-W
Was-W
Nyj-W
NE-W
Mia-W

so not only did ben play one more top ten D but he won all but one game

and the game he lost he didnt start

and his rating was in the high 90's and he won roty

[darklight1216]

^Actually I was referring to the bye in week two, the rookie head coach, and the one armed 34 year old who was Joe's only consistent target. (If you are a Mark Clayton apologist, let's put it this way "His best target.")
Btw, you forgot Dallas, they were a top ten overall defense last year, and for what it's worth Oakland was the tenth best passing defense.
Also, Pittsburgh was the number one defense, and while I'm not all trying to say that Ben is or was a game manager, you have to agree that is much easier to win when you have a lot of help on the other side of the ball, and B.R. had a bit more assitance. It's also easier on your schedule when you never have to play the #1 defense (which Flacco had to do more than once). Ben was also backed up by the number 2 running game in his rookie season while Flacco had help from the 4th best in 2008. I realize that these differences are not extreme, and that is probably why both teams made it as far as they did in their respective seasons.

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='05 July 2009 - 02:40 PM' timestamp='1246819225' post='205166']
^Actually I was referring to the bye in week two, the rookie head coach, and the one armed 34 year old who was Joe's only consistent target. (If you are a Mark Clayton apologist, let's put it this way "His best target.")
Btw, you forgot Dallas, they were a top ten overall defense last year, and for what it's worth Oakland was the tenth best passing defense.
Also, Pittsburgh was the number one defense, and while I'm not all trying to say that Ben is or was a game manager, you have to agree that is much easier to win when you have a lot of A on the other side of the ball, and B.R. had a bit more assitance. It's also easier on your schedule when you never have to play the #1 defense (which Flacco had to do more than once). Ben was also backed up by the number 2 running game in his rookie season while Flacco had help from the 4th best in 2008. I realize that these differences are not extreme, and that is probably why both teams made it as far as they did in their respective seasons.
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first off your right i did forget dallas....i missed them while i was typing my list over

the reason ben did not play the number one defense his rookie year was because pitt was the number one D(as you stated)....but they played number two number four number six twice(bal)

flacco had the number two D backing him up....these Qb's are very similar in style and circumstances

and the running games(as you stated) were not that far apart

but i will admit ben had better receivers

[Strangebru]

[quote name='Alexir' date='30 June 2009 - 02:15 PM' timestamp='1246385747' post='204452']
So I was on comcast to see if anyone else died this month, and came across an article about the top QB Corps in the NFL.

[url="http://www.comcast.net/slideshow/sports-qbrankings/"]http://www.comcast.net/slideshow/sports-qbrankings/[/url]
[/quote]
I know this was originally posted June 30[sup]th[/sup] but man it was almost like a premonition.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' date='05 July 2009 - 03:13 PM' timestamp='1246821191' post='205175']
but i will admit ben had better receivers
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*cough* And no bye in week 2, and didn't have a rookie hc. *cough*

You know, I'm starting to think that he had a decidedly easier schedule as well.

[Flacco vs top ten D's (rookie year)

Pit-L
Pit-L 12-4
NYG-L 12-4
Ten-L 13-3
Was-W 8-8
Phi-W 9-6-1
(Dallas Cowboys 9-7)
Overall: 63-32-1

Big Ben vs top ten D's (rookie year)

Bal-L
Bal-W 9-7
Buf-W 9-7
Was-W 6-10
Nyj-W 10-6
NE-W 14-2
Mia-W 4-12

Overall: 52-44]

Edit: According to an earlier thread, it looks as though the Steelers had the 24th hardest schedule in 2004 as opposed to the Ravens 4th hardest schedule in 2008.
Considering the source, I can't be positive that this is 100% accurate, but it's worth considering.

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='05 July 2009 - 03:55 PM' timestamp='1246823738' post='205182']
*cough* And no bye in week 2, and didn't have a rookie hc. *cough*

You know, I'm starting to think that he had a decidedly easier schedule as well.

[Flacco vs top ten D's (rookie year)

Pit-L
Pit-L 12-4
NYG-L 12-4
Ten-L 13-3
Was-W 8-8
Phi-W 9-6-1
(Dallas Cowboys 9-7)
Overall: 63-32-1

Big Ben vs top ten D's (rookie year)

Bal-L
Bal-W 9-7
Buf-W 9-7
Was-W 6-10
Nyj-W 10-6
NE-W 14-2
Mia-W 4-12

Overall: 52-44]

Edit: According to an earlier thread, it looks as though the Steelers had the 24th hardest schedule in 2004 as opposed to the A 4th hardest schedule in 2008.
Considering the source, I can't be positive that this is 100% accurate, but it's worth considering.
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alot of the teams we played had horrible offenses....but ben didnt play against their offenses.....he still came out with a rating in the high 90's

and just because your coach was a rookie doesnt mean he wasnt good

[jfc13]

I don't think we should even compare Flacco to Ben, yet. Flacco had a good rookie year for us, but we don't know how he will do in the future, and, to me, that is more important than if his rookie stats are better than Ben's rookie stats or Ben's stats in his best or worst years. Ben has proven over the years that he can run a winning offense that can complement the Steeler's stellar defense. We still need Flacco to prove that. I think he can and will, but at this stage, it's still speculation.

I guess I'm saying, let's give Flacco a chance to learn and grow before holding him to the standards of proven NFL quarterbacks.

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='jfc13' date='06 July 2009 - 09:58 AM' timestamp='1246888714' post='205262']
I don't think we should even compare Flacco to Ben, yet. Flacco had a good rookie year for us, but we don't know how he will do in the future, and, to me, that is more important than if his rookie A are better than Ben's rookie stats or Ben's stats in his best or worst years. Ben has proven over the years that he can run a winning offense that can complement the Steeler's stellar defense. We still need Flacco to prove that. I think he can and will, but at this stage, it's still speculation.

I guess I'm saying, let's give Flacco a chance to learn and grow before holding him to the standards of proven NFL quarterbacks.
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good post i agree

[ZIBBY28]

[quote name='jfc13' date='06 July 2009 - 09:58 AM' timestamp='1246888714' post='205262']
I don't think we should even compare Flacco to Ben, yet. Flacco had a good rookie year for us, but we don't know how he will do in the future, and, to me, that is more important than if his rookie stats are better than Ben's rookie stats or Ben's stats in his best or worst years. Ben has proven over the years that he can run a winning offense that can complement the Steeler's stellar defense. We still need Flacco to prove that. I think he can and will, but at this stage, it's still speculation.

I guess I'm saying, let's give Flacco a chance to learn and grow before holding him to the standards of proven NFL quarterbacks.
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i agree, but you cant deny the comparisons from their rookie years.. its a good time to be a Ravens fan...

paraphrasing the wise and wonderful T.O., "thats our QB."

[darklight1216]

[quote name='jfc13' date='06 July 2009 - 09:58 AM' timestamp='1246888714' post='205262']
I don't think we should even compare Flacco to Ben, yet. Flacco had a good rookie year for us, but we don't know how he will do in the future, and, to me, that is more important than if his rookie stats are better than Ben's rookie stats or Ben's stats in his best or worst years. Ben has proven over the years that he can run a winning offense that can complement the Steeler's stellar defense. We still need Flacco to prove that. I think he can and will, but at this stage, it's still speculation.

I guess I'm saying, let's give Flacco a chance to learn and grow before holding him to the standards of proven NFL quarterbacks.
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So true, but we were only drawing some comparisons in their rookie years.

[quote name='ZIBBY28' date='06 July 2009 - 12:44 PM' timestamp='1246898665' post='205290']
i agree, but you cant deny the comparisons from their rookie years.. its a good time to be a Ravens fan...

paraphrasing the [b]wise and wonderful[/b] T.O., "thats our QB."
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Rofl!