Your 2009 Baltimore Ravens

[bce086]

[quote name='bmore20' date='25 June 2009 - 08:42 AM' timestamp='1245933772' post='203493']
[url="http://www.baltimoreravens.com/News/Articles/2009/06/What_We_Learned_-_Rookie_Camp.aspx"]McClain[/url]

we aren't going to put McClain at RB, and start an undrafted rookie at FB. get real... McClain isn't a great RB anyway.
[/quote]

Ummm actually we are...

"You know, I've read that everybody thinks we've moved him back to fullback and I'm not sure where that came from. He's a running back. That's the way I view him. To me, Lorenzo Neal is a fullback, and a great one. Le'Ron, to me, and I felt like this when I saw him in college, is a potential running back." -- Coach Cameron

Link: http://fantasynews.c...et_headline_div

[lowrider]

[quote name='Jesse Conroy' date='24 June 2009 - 11:41 PM' timestamp='1245901273' post='203440']
Are we sure about the CB order?

I think Rolle will start.
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The Ravens home website (that was so easy to get to by the way) said that washington and foxworth got the starting spots locked up and Rolle is going to be the nickel back.

I have been reading that Foxworth really struggled at the beginning of camp, but he started playing more physical of late and he has really turned it around and is doing a great job. This is very good news for us.

[bce086]

[quote name='lowrider' date='25 June 2009 - 09:03 AM' timestamp='1245935010' post='203497']
I have been reading that Foxworth really struggled at the beginning of camp, but he started playing more physical of late and he has really turned it around and is doing a great job. This is very good news for us.
[/quote]

Lol yea, after Reed and Co. told him to "Play like a Raven"

[ChiseBack(CB)]

[quote name='BloodRaven' date='25 June 2009 - 01:52 PM' timestamp='1245901943' post='203443']
I would have Davon Drew over Quinn Sypniewski as it's unlikely Heap or Smith will make it through the entire season.

Kelly Gregg to start at NT with Bannan as backup/rotation.

Rolle as nickle, simply because he's always fighting injuries.

I see Peerman making the cut over Cook (with McClain lead blocker)

OT: Any PUP projections for Yanda?
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Yeah I pretty much agree with everything here; Davon Drew over Sypniewski, Rolle at nickle and Peerman beating out Cook.

I can't help but feel David Hale will start at every position on the line when he is called upon so it's probably pretty safe to plug him in at Center.

I don't like Jalen Parmele's chances of making the final roster; at best he will be a goal line back and ultimately he's a 6th round that we picked up off Miami's practice squad who got 2 carries in garbage time.


[b]#27 | Ray Rice | 2nd year (22)[/b]
[b]#33 | Le'Ron McClain | 3rd year (24)[/b]
#23 | Willis McGahee | 7th year (27)
#38 | Cedric Peerman | Rookie (22) - [size="2"]Would most likely be stolen off Practice Squad by another team[/size]
#34 | Jalen Parmele | 2nd year (23) - [size="2"]Best chances are an injury or starting the year on the PUP list[/size]

[b]Lock[/b]

Ultimately it will be down to Peerman or Parmele and I doubt we take them both AND an additional fullback. It's debatable whether we will take 5 RB's even without Jason Cook.

[RaveninOrlando]

One thing about that roster is how young our team will be. I believe I counted 7 30 and over guys on the team. That is pretty impressive. The interesting part is to see if the young talent has talent. If they do then this team is primed for a long run provided that Flacco continues to develop into a Top 10 QB.

[lowrider]

[quote name='RaveninOrlando' date='25 June 2009 - 11:22 AM' timestamp='1245943337' post='203530']
One thing about that roster is how young our team will be. I believe I counted 7 30 and over guys on the team. That is pretty impressive. The interesting part is to see if the young talent has talent. If they do then this team is primed for a long run provided that Flacco continues to develop into a Top 10 QB.
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And most of the 30 year olds are on defense

[RaveninOrlando]

[quote name='lowrider' date='25 June 2009 - 11:25 AM' timestamp='1245943524' post='203531']
And most of the 30 year olds are on defense
[/quote]

Ah, it's not bad. 4 are starters (Pryce, Gregg (assuming he's ready), Lewis, Reed) on defense with two more as key contributors (Bannon, Rolle). The FO has revamped the secondary, the backers aren't bad with Ray being the elder statesman. Hopefully, Kruger can develop into Pryce's replacement and look for a eventual high level replacement for Gregg.

[Jesse Conroy]

[quote name='lowrider' date='25 June 2009 - 09:03 AM' timestamp='1245935010' post='203497']
The Ravens home website (that was so easy to get to by the way) said that washington and foxworth got the starting spots locked up and Rolle is going to be the nickel back.

I have been reading that Foxworth really struggled at the beginning of camp, but he started playing more physical of late and he has really turned it around and is doing a great job. This is very good news for us.
[/quote]

Oh really, I hadnt checked the homepage in over a day, sorry for not checking every second.

[lowrider]

[quote name='Jesse Conroy' date='25 June 2009 - 02:46 PM' timestamp='1245955602' post='203591']
Oh really, I hadnt checked the homepage in over a day, sorry for not checking every second.
[/quote]
my bad. I wasnt trying to be sarcastic there. I was just referring to the link that is at the top at the screen that is really easy to go to. More of a comment towards complimenting the administrators.

[WinnipegRaven]

[quote name='Alexir' date='25 June 2009 - 02:28 AM' timestamp='1245918530' post='203469']
someone said that Cam said Leron is going back to Fullback, do you have a link? Last time I checked he was saying it was still a 3 headed monster between Willis, Ray, and Le Ron (as Mason calls him)
[/quote]

http://blogs.rotoworld.com/Fantasy_Football/2009/06/cameron_speaks_on_ravens_backf.php

Not sure if this is what you are looking for.... Something I read the other day.

[Alexir]

[quote name='ChiseBack(CB)' date='25 June 2009 - 09:44 AM' timestamp='1245937484' post='203515']
Yeah I pretty much agree with everything here; Davon Drew over Sypniewski, Rolle at nickle and Peerman beating out Cook.

I can't help but feel David Hale will start at every position on the line when he is called upon so it's probably pretty safe to plug him in at Center.

I don't like Jalen Parmele's chances of making the final roster; at best he will be a goal line back and ultimately he's a 6th round that we picked up off Miami's practice squad who got 2 carries in garbage time.


[b]#27 | Ray Rice | 2nd year (22)[/b]
[b]#33 | Le'Ron McClain | 3rd year (24)[/b]
#23 | Willis McGahee | 7th year (27)
#38 | Cedric Peerman | Rookie (22) - [size="2"]Would most likely be stolen off Practice Squad by another team[/size]
#34 | Jalen Parmele | 2nd year (23) - [size="2"]Best chances are an injury or starting the year on the PUP list[/size]

[b]Lock[/b]

Ultimately it will be down to Peerman or Parmele and I doubt we take them both AND an additional fullback. It's debatable whether we will take 5 RB's even without Jason Cook.
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Are you saying Willis McGahee isn't a lock to make the team? Because if you are the whole supporting Kalimba Edwards thing is starting to make sense

[Alexir]

Also I have no problem handing McClain the ball but I just feel there is no need to have 2 FBs on a roster. Cook is definitely going to PS. I know you guys like what McClain did and all but do you really want to waste a roster spot on a FB to block for another FB or give that spot to someone like Peerman or JP.

That being said, maybe we should start getting Edgar Jones to do some snaps at FB

Mr. Hybrid!

[ChiseBack(CB)]

[quote name='Alexir' date='26 June 2009 - 05:02 AM' timestamp='1245956558' post='203596']
Are you saying Willis McGahee isn't a lock to make the team? Because if you are the whole supporting Kalimba Edwards thing is starting to make sense
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I'd definitely be willing to say McGahee isn't a lock; he may be very likely but he's not a lock. He's 28, has major injury concerns and doesn't produce when slowed by injuries; there's the possibility of trading him or the likely scenario where he starts the season on the PUP list because of a training camp-preseason injury. The likelihood of releasing/trading McGahee is considerably less now though with the amount of dead cap the Ravens would incur, releasing McGahee would free up about 3.2mil of the cap but there would be 10mil+ in dead cap for 2010.

What I'm saying is we know Ray Rice and Le'Ron McClain are going to be on the opening roster but there are just a few minor questions about McGahee.

[lowrider]

[quote name='ChiseBack(CB)' date='25 June 2009 - 08:43 PM' timestamp='1245977008' post='203675']
I'd definitely be willing to say McGahee isn't a lock; he may be very likely but he's not a lock. He's 28, has major injury concerns and doesn't produce when slowed by injuries; there's the possibility of trading him or the likely scenario where he starts the season on the PUP list because of a training camp-preseason injury. The likelihood of releasing/trading McGahee is considerably less now though with the amount of dead cap the Ravens would incur,

releasing McGahee would free up about 3.2mil of the cap but there would be 10mil+ in dead cap for 2010.

What I'm saying is we know Ray Rice and Le'Ron McClain are going to be on the opening roster but there are just a few minor questions about McGahee.
[/quote]
Willis is a lock on the roster. I would bet all my vital organs on that one. Unless he retires or something crazy happens, like he gets kidnapped by Osama or something. We aren't going to cut or trade him because of his contract. And if people still have faith in him in the organization like Cameron, so i guess i'll take their word for it and hope he still has something left in the tank.

[BloodRaven]

Barring some sort of training camp injury McGahee is a lock. He is still a good player when healthy and the coaching staff look like they still have faith in him to produce for this season.

[baltimore_hokie]

[quote name='ChiseBack(CB)' date='25 June 2009 - 08:43 PM' timestamp='1245977008' post='203675']releasing McGahee would free up about 3.2mil of the cap but there would be 10mil+ in dead cap for 2010.
[/quote]

that's not true, buddy. with no CBA in place, all cap hits are accelerated to this year. releasing willis (which will most definitely not happen) would result in nearly 11M toward the cap. We are carrying a **** ton of dead money from what remains of the contracts of mcnair, ogden, and cmac. we will be done with that this year, which will free up some cap space for the future, but willis will be the starting RB when we kill the chiefs in a few months.

[lowrider]

[quote name='baltimore_hokie' date='26 June 2009 - 09:12 AM' timestamp='1246021952' post='203734']
that's not true, buddy. with no CBA in place, all cap hits are accelerated to this year. releasing willis (which will most definitely not happen) would results in nearly 11M toward the cap. We are carrying a **** ton of dead money from what remains of the contracts of mcnair, ogden, and cmac. we will be done with that this year, which will free up some cap space for the future, but willis will be the starting RB when we kill the chiefs in a few months.
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Wow, didn't know that. And even though I've been down on Willis, it isn't worth cutting him for all that money. He still could be effective, even though I doubt he will be. If we could pay him less then it would be a perfect situation and i would love to have him. The balance of speed and strength that he bring to the three-headed monster is important (rice=speed, McClain=strength, McGahee=speed and strength, i know that was unnessecary but i wanted to use equal signs). Also, no back we could bring in now would be better than McGahee. We have three backs now that are threats. That's why our running game is so deadly. Hopefully McGahee can recover from his offseason surgeries.

[slugz1]

[quote name='ChiseBack(CB)' date='25 June 2009 - 08:43 PM' timestamp='1245977008' post='203675']
I'd definitely be willing to say McGahee isn't a lock; he may be very likely but he's not a lock. He's 28, has major injury concerns and[b][u][i] doesn't produce when slowed by injuries[/i][/u][/b]; there's the possibility of trading him or the likely scenario where he starts the season on the PUP list because of a training camp-preseason injury. The likelihood of releasing/trading McGahee is considerably less now though with the amount of dead cap the Ravens would incur, releasing McGahee would free up about 3.2mil of the cap but there would be 10mil+ in dead cap for 2010.

What I'm saying is we know Ray Rice and Le'Ron McClain are going to be on the opening roster but there are just a few minor questions about McGahee.
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well how many ppl you know that produce when that are not healthy?

[bmore20]

[quote name='slugz1' date='28 June 2009 - 07:13 PM' timestamp='1246230807' post='204228']
well how many ppl you know that produce when that are not healthy?
[/quote]
when was the last time Willis was healthy?

[jfc13]

[quote name='slugz1' date='28 June 2009 - 07:13 PM' timestamp='1246230807' post='204228']
well how many ppl you know that produce when that are not healthy?
[/quote]
Mason.



But I get your point...

[EdReedFTW]

[quote name='bmore20' date='29 June 2009 - 09:28 AM' timestamp='1246282089' post='204289']
when was the last time Willis was healthy?
[/quote]

Last year, when he went to the Pro Bowl. One bad year doesnt make you injury prone.

[jfc13]

I think McGahee can have a big year for us this year. Last year, he was a little disgruntled with what the weight trainers [or whomever] told him about losing weight and I think he's convinced them that the extra weight helps him absorb the hits. I'm hoping that he's at the weight he feels comfortable with and that will help get his mindset where it needs to be and he has a great year. I think he has it in him and I think he wants to do it.

[52Kia Kaha92]

Thought id bump this with Traning camp not far away. This is my final prediction beofre Training camp starts of what the 53 man [b]opening day[/b] roster will be like.

QB (3)
Joe Flacco
Troy Smith
John Beck

RB (3)
Willis McGahee
Ray Rice
Le'Ron McClain

FB (1)
Jason Cook

WR (5)
Derrick Mason
Mark Clayton
Demtrius Williams
Marcus Smith
Brandon Gibson

TE (4)
Todd Heap
LJ Smith
Edgar Jones
Davon Drew

Offensive Line (8)
Jared Gaither
Michael Oher
Ben Grubbs
Chris Chester
Matt Birk
Oniel Cousins
David Hale
Adam Terry

Defensive Line (7)
Haloti Ngata
Kelly Gregg
Trevor Pryce
Lamar Divens
Brandon McKinney
Justin Bannan
Dwan Edwards

OLB (4)
Terrell Suggs
Jarrett Johnson
Antwan Barnes
Paull Kruger

ILB (5)
Ray Lewis
Tavares Gooden
Jameel McClain
Jason Phillips
Dannell Ellerbe

CB (6)
Domonique Foxworth
Fabian Washington
Samari Rolle
Derrick Martin
Ladarius Webb
KJ Gerard

S (4)
Ed Reed
Dawan Landry
Haruki Nakamura
Tom Zbikowski

ST (3)
Sam Koch
Graham Gano
Matt Katalua

Additions
Brandon Gibson - many think he wont make the cut in the Eagles and he is a big receiver with more upside than Kelly Washington

Cuts
Yamon Figurs - cant take a hit
Kelly Washington - Gibson has more upside
Cedric Peerman - Cook allows McClain to run
Brendon Ayanbadejo - too much money for purelt ST and Ellerbe has more upside
Frank Walker - too much money for dime corner, go for development ball hawk Gerard
Chris Carr - Cap casualty, Webb can return kicks and we choos young depth lik Martin

PUP
Marshall Yanda
Quinn Sypniewski

I know some are a bit weird, but frankly there are always a few surprises arent there

[baltimore_hokie]

[quote name='52Kia Kaha92' date='10 July 2009 - 12:41 AM' timestamp='1247200877' post='205821']
Thought id bump this with Traning camp not far away. This is my final prediction beofre Training camp starts of what the 53 man [b]opening day[/b] roster will be like.

QB (3)
Joe Flacco
Troy Smith
John Beck

RB (3)
Willis McGahee
Ray Rice
Le'Ron McClain

FB (1)
Jason Cook

WR (5)
Derrick Mason
Mark Clayton
Demtrius Williams
Marcus Smith
Brandon Gibson

TE (4)
Todd Heap
LJ Smith
Edgar Jones
Davon Drew

Offensive Line (8)
Jared Gaither
Michael Oher
Ben Grubbs
Chris Chester
Matt Birk
Oniel Cousins
David Hale
Adam Terry

Defensive Line (7)
Haloti Ngata
Kelly Gregg
Trevor Pryce
Lamar Divens
Brandon McKinney
Justin Bannan
Dwan Edwards

OLB (4)
Terrell Suggs
Jarrett Johnson
Antwan Barnes
Paull Kruger

ILB (5)
Ray Lewis
Tavares Gooden
Jameel McClain
Jason Phillips
Dannell Ellerbe

CB (6)
Domonique Foxworth
Fabian Washington
Samari Rolle
Derrick Martin
Ladarius Webb
KJ Gerard

S (4)
Ed Reed
Dawan Landry
Haruki Nakamura
Tom Zbikowski

ST (3)
Sam Koch
Graham Gano
Matt Katalua

Additions
Brandon Gibson - many think he wont make the cut in the Eagles and he is a big receiver with more upside than Kelly Washington

Cuts
Yamon Figurs - cant take a hit
Kelly Washington - Gibson has more upside
Cedric Peerman - Cook allows McClain to run
Brendon Ayanbadejo - too much money for purelt ST and Ellerbe has more upside
Frank Walker - too much money for dime corner, go for development ball hawk Gerard
Chris Carr - Cap casualty, Webb can return kicks and we choos young depth lik Martin

PUP
Marshall Yanda
Quinn Sypniewski

I know some are a bit weird, but frankly there are always a few surprises arent there
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is this a joke?? let me get this right: you have 4 UDFA's making an AFCCG team roster, 2 players we signed THIS YEAR in free agency being CUT, and a player currently on another roster making OUR team. now, i appreciate your try, but i don't see much of that happening. here would be my list:


QB (3)
Joe Flacco
Troy Smith
John Beck

RB (3)
Willis McGahee
Ray Rice
Cedric Peerman

FB (1)
Le'Ron McClain

WR (5)
Derrick Mason
Mark Clayton
Demtrius Williams
Marcus Smith
Kelley Washington

TE (4)
Todd Heap
LJ Smith
Edgar Jones
Davon Drew

Offensive Line (8)
Jared Gaither
Michael Oher
Ben Grubbs
Chris Chester
Matt Birk
Oniel Cousins
David Hale
Adam Terry

Defensive Line (6)
Haloti Ngata
Kelly Gregg
Trevor Pryce
Brandon McKinney
Justin Bannan
Dwan Edwards

OLB (5)
Terrell Suggs
Jarrett Johnson
Antwan Barnes
Paull Kruger
Prescott Burgess

ILB (5)
Ray Lewis
Tavares Gooden
Jameel McClain
Brenden Ayanbadejo
Jason Phillips


CB (6)
Domonique Foxworth
Fabian Washington
Samari Rolle
Chris Carr
Frank Walker
Ladarius Webb


S (4)
Ed Reed
Dawan Landry
Haruki Nakamura
Tom Zbikowski

ST (3)
Sam Koch
Steve Hauschka
Matt Katula


this would put cook, ellerbe, gano, harper, gerard, and riley on the PS most likely. alot can change in training camp, and a trade for a WR could cause cost-cutting measures like getting rid of walker and/or ayanbadejo, but some of your stuff is way off in my opinion.

[edreedfromtheu]

Willis McGahee is the starting running back. And there's a very good reason for that... he's the best running back the Ravens have. The best vision, the best stiff arm, the best breakaway speed, and the best blocking for pass protection.

McClain is the best blocker for run situations, which is why he is a fullback! And he's better at blocking in passing situations than Ray Rice.

Rice has has bulked up. I'm just wondering, if he kept getting caught from behind when he was lighter... then what's going to happen with all his added weight?

Either way, I don't see anyone but McGahee starting. You can believe everything you hear Mike Preston write, or you can take it with a grain of salt. McGahee has been the starter since he's been here. The Ravens let their former starter in Jamal Lewis go because they traded a few picks and fave a huge contract to McGahee. McGahee has been the starter since he's been a Raven. And he's done more work with the team(instead of working down in Miami) in this offseason than any previous offseason! So if that doesn't add up to another starting spot on opening day, then I don't know what does!

[WinnipegRaven]

[quote name='BloodRaven' date='24 June 2009 - 09:52 PM' timestamp='1245901943' post='203443']

OT: Any PUP projections for Yanda?
[/quote]

Closest thing I could find...
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2009/06/marshal_yanda_still_on_schedule.html

[Geno the booter]

The Ravens are too smart to cut Figurs. This young man, has a whole load of potential, and as much as none of you would like to admit it, you can't teach speed. Remember how much separation he had against the Texans when he caught that 50 yard or so touchdown pass. If the coaches work with him, I see him as being a good 4 or 5 string wide receiver and kick returner if he manages to beat out Rice, Carr, Webb, Peerman, etc. as they have said many times we have many guys who can return. Third round pick for a kick returner in the past doesn't make him a bust, I just hope he can continue with us instead of us releasing him and he turns into a Fitzgerald somewhere else lol.

[WinnipegRaven]

[quote name='EdReedFTW' date='29 June 2009 - 11:19 AM' timestamp='1246295975' post='204325']
Last year, when he went to the Pro Bowl. One bad year doesnt make you injury prone.
[/quote]

Just for the record he was a replacement for L.T on the 2008 Pro Bowl Roster.... He did not make the 2009 Pro Bowl Roster - Chris Johnson, Ronnie Brown and Marshawn Lynch were AFC's RB's. LeRon made it at FB though

[52Kia Kaha92]

[quote name='baltimore_hokie' date='10 July 2009 - 10:56 AM' timestamp='1247237805' post='205859']
is this a joke?? let me get this right: you have 4 UDFA's making an AFCCG team roster, 2 players we signed THIS YEAR in free agency being CUT, and a player currently on another roster making OUR team. now, i appreciate your try, but i don't see much of that happening. here would be my list:


this would put cook, ellerbe, gano, harper, gerard, and riley on the PS most likely. alot can change in training camp, and a trade for a WR could cause cost-cutting measures like getting rid of walker and/or ayanbadejo, but some of your stuff is way off in my opinion.
[/quote]

No its not a joke. Yes i have 4 UDFA's making the roster. It was a shock Ellerbe didnt get drafted aswell as Gano. Jameel McClain, Bart Scott where udfa's so whats the big deal. Whats UDFA's got to do with "making an AFCCG roster"??

Well the way i see it Webb is the better returner and Carr is overpaid to be a backup returner and dime cornerback. Washington just depth for the minimum. And for your information we have 80 guys signed and lots of which where signed this year that wont make the cut.

Yes Gibson isnt on our team but this time last year neither was Willie Anderson or Lamar Divens who ended up there on opening day.

You appreciate my try?? since when are you top dog around here. Thats my opinion and i took a few wild cards but last year who expected Anwar phillips to make the opening day roster??

There are always surprises.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='52Kia Kaha92' date='10 July 2009 - 12:41 AM' timestamp='1247200877' post='205821']
Thought id bump this with Traning camp not far away. This is my final prediction beofre Training camp starts of what the 53 man [b]opening day[/b] roster will be like.

QB (3)
Joe Flacco
Troy Smith
John Beck

RB (3)
Willis McGahee
Ray Rice
Le'Ron McClain

FB (1)
Jason Cook

WR (5)
Derrick Mason
Mark Clayton
Demtrius Williams
Marcus Smith
Brandon Gibson

TE (4)
Todd Heap
LJ Smith
Edgar Jones
Davon Drew

Offensive Line (8)
Jared Gaither
Michael Oher
Ben Grubbs
Chris Chester
Matt Birk
Oniel Cousins
David Hale
Adam Terry

Defensive Line (7)
Haloti Ngata
Kelly Gregg
Trevor Pryce
Lamar Divens
Brandon McKinney
Justin Bannan
Dwan Edwards

OLB (4)
Terrell Suggs
Jarrett Johnson
Antwan Barnes
Paull Kruger

ILB (5)
Ray Lewis
Tavares Gooden
Jameel McClain
Jason Phillips
Dannell Ellerbe

CB (6)
Domonique Foxworth
Fabian Washington
Samari Rolle
Derrick Martin
Ladarius Webb
KJ Gerard

S (4)
Ed Reed
Dawan Landry
Haruki Nakamura
Tom Zbikowski

ST (3)
Sam Koch
Graham Gano
Matt Katalua

Additions
Brandon Gibson - many think he wont make the cut in the Eagles and he is a big receiver with more upside than Kelly Washington

Cuts
Yamon Figurs - cant take a hit
Kelly Washington - Gibson has more upside
Cedric Peerman - Cook allows McClain to run
Brendon Ayanbadejo - too much money for purelt ST and Ellerbe has more upside
Frank Walker - too much money for dime corner, go for development ball hawk Gerard
Chris Carr - Cap casualty, Webb can return kicks and we choos young depth lik Martin

PUP
Marshall Yanda
Quinn Sypniewski

I know some are a bit weird, but frankly there are always a few surprises arent there
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To be honest, that is actually not a bad roster. At the DB position i think either Carr or Walker makes it. My reason for that is because both Webb and KJ can be Safeties so that will allow us to sneak them on the roster.

Another reason i think one of those vets make it is because 2 of the top 3 CBs had injury problems last year. If either Washington or Rolle struggle with injury, then we'd be bankin on a rookie or unproven guy in Martin. But i do think that Martin, Webb and Gerard makes the team.

I don't think cook makes it. I think many people are putting too much into that Fullback position. First off, McClain can run in a single back, second i only see LeRon getting about 8-10 carries a game. In that case we would be taking a roster spot away from another position just for 8-10 plays a game. I think a guy like E. Jones will be that TE/FB.

I like Ellerbe and i think he has a great chance of making this roster, at least PS team. I don't think Figurs is cut. He had one bad season, the kid was pretty good in 07. He is explosive in the Kick game, he just struggled with injury last season. Remember him getting the ball out to the 50 yardline in that MNF game, before a penalty called it back. I think he is given every chance to make this roster.

Gano is a good bet for me. Its not hard to beleive Washington can be cut, he had to try out just to get signed. Gibson would be a good find, and if he does get cut i'm sure Harbs will get enough info from Andy to know if the kid is worth it or not.

As for 4 UDFAs making a AFCC game team. Well if they make u better they make u better, simple as that. Also the Ravens are not a AFCC game team, they are a 0-0 team just like everyone else. The whole idea is to get better, and if Gano, Ellerbe, Gerard, or whomever else beats out some vets in camp and preseason, then they deserve to make this team. It doesn't matter if they were drafted or not. JMO