2006 Ravens Draft

[berad]

It's generally said that it takes about 3 years to accurately go back and rate a draft. It's been 3 years for our '06ers, so I want to know your opinions of how the look now. I count 3 starters, if you include Koch (who is an excellent punter, btw). I'd give it a [b]B+[/b], we've got a some guys who didn't pan out at all, (Daniels and Pittman) some players that make healthy production for our team, (Sypniewski, Chester, and Williams) and our starters who are among the league's best (Ngata, Landry, and Koch).

[b]Haloti Ngata[/b] [i](1st round, 12th overall)[/i]

[b]Chris Chester[/b] [i](2nd round, 56th overall)[/i]

[b]David Pittman[/b] [i](3rd round, 87th overall)[/i]

[b]Demetrius Williams[/b] [i](4th round, 111th overall)[/i]

[b]P.J. Daniels[/b] [i](4th round, 132nd overall)[/i]

[b]Dawan Landry[/b] [i](5th round, 146th overall)[/i]

[b]Quinn Sypniewski[/b] [i](5th round, 166th overall)[/i]

[b]Sam Koch[/b] [i](6th round, 203rd overall)[/i]

[b]Derrick Martin[/b] [i](6th round, 208th overall)[/i]

[b]Ryan LaCasse[/b] [i](7th round, 219 overall) *Traded to the Colts[/i]

*Most analysts gave us around a "B" grade at the time.

[theFRANCHISE]

Generally, if you can get three quality starters out of one draft, you've had a good draft; after all, the success rate of a single draft class is [i]very[/i] hit-or-miss. Given that the Ravens got six contributors (three starters, three role players) out of 10 picks, that's a successful draft class in my book.

[MKdave]

I'd give it a B.
Ngata's one of the best players in the league, Koch is one of the best players at his position (although, when you draft a punter, that's kinda what you expect) and Landry's been once spectacular but usually solid.

Chester hasn't really been up to second round standard, and Williams has been too injury prone. Sypnewski's a little one dimensional as a tight end. Derrick Martin's been OK, considering he was a 6th rounder. He could be backup dimeback this year, so that's a potential contribution I guess.

Obviously Pittman and Daniels haven't done much. It's a pretty weak class without Haloti.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='MKdave' post='202115' date='Jun 20 2009, 06:00 PM']Chester hasn't really been up to second round standard[/quote]To be fair, Chris Chester [i]did[/i] improve last season when called upon. Whether he can [i]continue[/i] that improvement this coming season, will determine whether he was a good draft pick. However, definitely not second-round material by any stretch -- second-rounders are expected to be clear-cut starters, not situational players.

[RoflDogs]

Ngata+Chester+Landry+Koch

I give it a solid A-

[mhead66]

[quote name='RoflDogs' post='202120' date='Jun 20 2009, 06:15 PM']Ngata+Chester+Landry+Koch

I give it a solid A-[/quote]
Agreed... Ngata & Koch are excellent, Landry will be good if he can stay healthy, and Chester...we'll see, but he has potential.

Not to mention Sypniewski, who (I think) - if healthy - could start, by midseason, over Heap or Smith.

[McBurks]

[quote name='mhead66' post='202122' date='Jun 20 2009, 06:22 PM']Agreed... Ngata & Koch are excellent, Landry will be good if he can stay healthy, and Chester...we'll see, but he has potential.

[b]Not to mention Sypniewski, who (I think) - if healthy - could start, by midseason, over Heap or Smith[/b].[/quote]
Yeah okay.

Going over the draft class we [b]should [/b]be ranked around a B.We have a beast in Haloti and Landry,and Koch is only going to get better.

[neepo13]

Call me a homer but I give it an A. We got 3 pro bowl caliber players, assuming Landry returns to his pre-injury form, out of that draft class. I think you'd be hard pressed to find another team that found 3 probowl caliber players. Also, if I am not mistaken all of those guys except 3 of them are still with the team. Thats pretty damn good to have more then half of your draft class survive the constant turnover of NFL rosters. Chester, Williams, and Sypnewski if nothing else are solid backups.

I think you could probably get into debates about where this or that guy was taken, maybe a guy was taken to high or whatever but thats semantics.

[kash96ravenstotalfan]

[quote name='berad' post='202109' date='Jun 20 2009, 05:45 PM']It's generally said that it takes about 3 years to accurately go back and rate a draft. It's been 3 years for our '06ers, so I want to know your opinions of how the look now. I count 3 starters, if you include Koch (who is an excellent punter, btw). I'd give it a [b]B+[/b], we've got a some guys who didn't pan out at all, (Daniels and Pittman) some players that make healthy production for our team, (Sypniewski, Chester, and Williams) and our starters who are among the league's best (Ngata, Landry, and Koch).

[b]Haloti Ngata[/b] [i](1st round, 12th overall)[/i]

[b]Chris Chester[/b] [i](2nd round, 56th overall)[/i]

[b]David Pittman[/b] [i](3rd round, 87th overall)[/i]

[b]Demetrius Williams[/b] [i](4th round, 111th overall)[/i]

[b]P.J. Daniels[/b] [i](4th round, 132nd overall)[/i]

[b]Dawan Landry[/b] [i](5th round, 146th overall)[/i]

[b]Quinn Sypniewski[/b] [i](5th round, 166th overall)[/i]

[b]Sam Koch[/b] [i](6th round, 203rd overall)[/i]

[b]Derrick Martin[/b] [i](6th round, 208th overall)[/i]

[b]Ryan LaCasse[/b] [i](7th round, 219 overall) *Traded to the Colts[/i]

*Most analysts gave us around a "B" grade at the time.[/quote]
Ngata alone gives our draft an A+. He is a pro bowl player +

[ChiseBack(CB)]

At the time Demetrius Williams was a consensus sleeper pick and it looked like Ozzie finally had some luck drafting a receiver, in the end Williams has played 3 injury plagued seasons with little to show for it. Quinn Sypniewski was also a pretty popular sleeper pick at the time but I don't think people expected him to go in the 5th round like he did.

[quote name='Dr. Z']RAVENS: B. You bet I like drafts that lead off with two big guys, DT Haloti Ngata 338 pounds, and they say he still has some growing to do (Did I ever tell you why I really like King Kong? Because there's a guy who won't take any guff from the airlines), and Chris Chester, an athletic center who pulls out and leads plays. The sleeper light is flashing -- P.J. Daniels, a gusty little former walk-on RB who you might say would give Jamal Lewis a run for it if you were foolish enough to believe that these competitions are anything close to being fair.[/quote]
I'd say at least an A.

[Ravensfan23]

I think a lot of people owe Ozzie an apology for that draft. If i recall correctly there was a lot of people giving Ozzie a hard time, saying he was had by Phil Savage because he gave up an 6th round pick to select Ngata, while the Browns would have selected Wimbley anyway.

There was people saying that we let the wrong guy go, Phil should still be in baltimore and Ozzie should go to Cleveland, Phil was the real brains behind our success in drafts.

Well where is Phil at now, and how many of your still wouldn't give up a 6th round pick to ensure you had the chance to draft Ngata?

I still think this class needs another year or 2 to reach it's full potential. Obviously if DWIll can ever stay help it would help this class, but Ngata still has reached his full potential, Chester could seriously be our furture Center, if Landry comes back the same, he would be a main stay in that defensive backfield.


Koch has the potential to be a probowl punter, Quinn Sypniewski showed some promise in 2007 when filling in for Heap, and Derrick Martin could still prove to be a quality situational DB.

So i would say that this class could really be great.

[Ozzsome]

[b]HALOTI NGATA[/b] - in my opinion the most dominant, smartest and most athletic 34 DT/DE in the league [b]Grade: A[/b]

[b]CHRIS CHESTER[/b] - a good back up center/guard, but of a 2nd rounder you expect more [b]Grade: B-[/b]

[b]DAVID PITTMAN[/b] - not on the raven roster anymore and not a good player [b]Grade: D[/b]

[b]DEMETRIUS WILLIAMS[/b] - when healthy a good player but injuried too often [b]Grade: C+[/b]

[b]P.J. DANIELS[/b] - who is that guy? [b]Grade: D-[/b]

[b]DAWAN LANDRY[/b] - a great player for the 5th round, i really like him [b]Grade: A-[/b]

[b]QUINN SYPNIEWSKI[/b] - good value for a 5th round pick [b]Grade: B-[/b]

[b]SAM KOCH[/b] - a really great punter, one of the better punters in the league [b]Grade: B[/b]

[b]DERRICK MARTIN[/b] - is he still on our roster? [b]Grade: D+[/b]

[b]RYAN LaCASSE[/b] - i never heard of that guy [b]Grade: F[/b]

overall i really like our draft we go 3 starters, 2 of them have pro bowl potential and the other one is very good, one good backup and one good player when healthy

Overall I would give us [b]Grade: B+[/b]

[#1 D]

[quote name='Ray The Day' post='202274' date='Jun 21 2009, 10:54 AM'][b]HALOTI NGATA[/b] - in my opinion the most dominant, smartest and most athletic 34 DT/DE in the league [b]Grade: A[/b]

[b]CHRIS CHESTER[/b] - a good back up center/guard, but of a 2nd rounder you expect more [b]Grade: B-[/b]

[b]DAVID PITTMAN[/b] - not on the raven roster anymore and not a good player [b]Grade: D[/b]

[b]DEMETRIUS WILLIAMS[/b] - when healthy a good player but injuried too often [b]Grade: C+[/b]

[b]P.J. DANIELS[/b] - who is that guy? [b]Grade: D-[/b]

[b]DAWAN LANDRY[/b] - a great player for the 5th round, i really like him [b]Grade: A-[/b]

[b]QUINN SYPNIEWSKI[/b] - good value for a 5th round pick [b]Grade: B-[/b]

[b]SAM KOCH[/b] - a really great punter, one of the better punters in the league [b]Grade: B[/b]

[b]DERRICK MARTIN[/b] - is he still on our roster? [b]Grade: D+[/b]

[b]RYAN LaCASSE[/b] - i never heard of that guy [b]Grade: F[/b]

overall i really like our draft we go 3 starters, 2 of them have pro bowl potential and the other one is very good, one good backup and one good player when healthy

Overall I would give us [b]Grade: B+[/b][/quote]

Pretty much agree with oyou except koch. He deserves a B+ or A- imo, but everything else i agree with.

[Ozzsome]

[quote name='#1 D' post='202310' date='Jun 21 2009, 06:20 PM']Pretty much agree with oyou except koch. He deserves a B+ or A- imo, but everything else i agree with.[/quote]
yeah, i know about koch but i think if you draft a punter you kinda expect that he is great so i only gave him a B for that

[Strangebru]

[quote name='berad' post='202109' date='Jun 20 2009, 05:45 PM']It's generally said that it takes about 3 years to accurately go back and rate a draft. It's been 3 years for our '06ers, so I want to know your opinions of how the look now. I count 3 starters, if you include Koch (who is an excellent punter, btw). I'd give it a [b]B+[/b], we've got a some guys who didn't pan out at all, (Daniels and Pittman) some players that make healthy production for our team, (Sypniewski, Chester, and Williams) and our starters who are among the league's best (Ngata, Landry, and Koch).

[b]Haloti Ngata[/b] [i](1st round, 12th overall)[/i]

[b]Chris Chester[/b] [i](2nd round, 56th overall)[/i]

[b]David Pittman[/b] [i](3rd round, 87th overall)[/i]

[b]Demetrius Williams[/b] [i](4th round, 111th overall)[/i]

[b]P.J. Daniels[/b] [i](4th round, 132nd overall)[/i]

[b]Dawan Landry[/b] [i](5th round, 146th overall)[/i]

[b]Quinn Sypniewski[/b] [i](5th round, 166th overall)[/i]

[b]Sam Koch[/b] [i](6th round, 203rd overall)[/i]

[b]Derrick Martin[/b] [i](6th round, 208th overall)[/i]

[b]Ryan LaCasse[/b] [i](7th round, 219 overall) *Traded to the Colts[/i]

*Most analysts gave us around a "B" grade at the time.[/quote]
[b]Haloti Ngata[/b] A+
[b]Chris Chester[/b] C
[b]David Pittman[/b] D
[b]Demetrius Williams[/b] B when healthy since it hasn't been for that long D
[b]P.J. Daniels[/b] C if he can make it to the field maybe higher
[b]Dawan Landry[/b] A
[b]Quinn Sypniewski[/b] C+
[b]Sam Koch[/b] A
[b]Derrick Martin[/b] D
[b]Ryan LaCasse[/b] [i]*Traded to the Colts[/i] Why do I care? If he isn't doing anything for the Colts A, who or what did the Ravens get in trade?

[BloodRaven]

You cant grade it as an A purely because half of them are misses.

[ChiseBack(CB)]

[quote name='BloodRaven' post='202429' date='Jun 22 2009, 10:50 AM']You cant grade it as an A purely because half of them are misses.[/quote]
3 Pro Bowl starters and 3 average backups from primarily late round picks is pretty damn decent, 7 of the 10 picks are 4th round or later.

Fun but meaningless fact: LaCasse has a Superbowl ring.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='ChiseBack(CB)' post='202469' date='Jun 21 2009, 11:16 PM']3 Pro Bowl starters and 3 average backups from primarily late round picks is pretty damn decent, 7 of the 10 picks are 4th round or later.

Fun but meaningless fact: LaCasse has a Superbowl ring.[/quote]

Lol why am I not surprised you mentioned his Superbowl ring.

Haloti Ngata [b]Big hit A+[/b]

Chris Chester C backup player with some flaws

David Pittman F gone

Demetrius Williams D- all style no substance

P.J. Daniels F gone

Dawan Landry C great rookie year, average 2nd, IR last year

Quinn Sypniewski D- like DWill, all style no substance

Sam Koch B great player

Derrick Martin D+ potential, showed flashes, ended up on IR

Ryan LaCasse F gone (but he has a ring like Ray Ray! )

[rastaman831226]

Can't figure out why you guys keep sleeping on Chris Chester. This converted TE stepped in for an injured Marshal Yanda for 11 of the 16 game 2008 schedule to form one of the best young interior O lines in the NFL and played a major part in keeping Joe Flacco's jersey clean while opening clean cutback lanes for the three headed monster running game. Marshal Yanda certainly provides the muscle at RG, but let us also appreciate the still learning Chester's quickness pff the line and his second level blocking ability. Finding a TE to so quickly to start and flourish at RG after only 2 years learning to play the line is draft gold. Sizing up the 2006 draft against other NFL team drafts easily yields the Ravens, Ozzie and the F.O. a big " A ".

[52Kia Kaha92]

im surprised for the hating of Chester, That guy was in pro bowl contention IMO
He played exceptioanlyl well. Yes he has a few mistakes including a on a Willis McGahe 80 yard run but you know thats what happens lol

I think he is a great guard who is the leagues best pulling guard and he truly was great last year. With TC to gaim about 10 pounds and more muscle mass i think he can truly become a dominant RG and maybe move over to C mid season if Birk shows age and Yanda is healthy again. Im very excited about him this year and i think your all being too harsh on him

Ngata - A+ - leagues best DT

Chester - B+ - if he wasnt there last year David Hale would of started and Flacco would be on his back, played great

Williams - C- - hasnt done anything, so doesnt deserve a high grade, i expect good things this year though

Pittman - F for Fail

Daniels - F for fail, not even at TC so thats bad lol

Landry - B - Will be know as top 5 SS after this year, just wait

Quinn - B - in limited action he has been great, is likea nother LT out there, better than Adam Terry at blocking

Sam Koch - A+ - Best puntet in the league bar none

Derrick Martin - C+ - hasnt really done anything, showing improvement, good depth in the 6th round is a good pick

Lacasse - D - - i think we actually got a pick for him latet so why not a d- lol

Overall - B+ - Got two of the leagues best players at there positions and a very good strong safety and starting gurad with some very good depth, If only we had of picked Brandon Marshall instead of David Pittman, well what are you gonna do lol

[MKdave]

[quote name='52Kia Kaha92' post='202501' date='Jun 22 2009, 09:39 AM']Chester - B+ - if he wasnt there last year David Hale would of started and Flacco would be on his back, played great[/quote]

I think the effect of Hale starting would have been on the running game more than Flacco. He's an exceptional puller, but he's going to be; he was a TE.
Hale would've done and OK job I think. Maybe not aswell as Chester but the drop off would'nt have been huge.

[rastaman831226]

[quote name='MKdave' post='202535' date='Jun 22 2009, 08:40 AM']I think the effect of Hale starting would have been on the running game more than Flacco. He's an exceptional puller, but he's going to be; he was a TE.
Hale would've done and OK job I think. Maybe not aswell as Chester but the drop off would'nt have been huge.[/quote]


First of all, Hale is not an OG, he's an OT at the bottom of the O line depth chart. Were not for Chester, Orniel Cousins would have started in Yanda's stead.

[MKdave]

[quote name='rastaman831226' post='202660' date='Jun 22 2009, 07:29 PM']First of all, Hale is not an OG, he's an OT at the bottom of the O line depth chart. Were not for Chester, Orniel Cousins would have started in Yanda's stead.[/quote]

No, Cousins is a tackle. Hale can play either.

[rastaman831226]

Cousins is a G/T and well ahead of Hale on the depth chart at G ( though I've not heard of Hale mentioned taking any snaps at G ) or T. Hale is a 6' 6"project OT who is now seeing more practice time a C.