Whatifspots Afc North Predicitons

[samic]

[url="http://www.whatifsports.com/beyondtheboxscore/default.asp?article=2009NFLANORTH"]http://www.whatifsports.com/beyondtheboxsc...e=2009NFLANORTH[/url]

Check out this link. They try to breakdown the AFC North and predict the w vs. l for each team. I think it is crazy that cincy has more wins than us next season and that Pitt beats us at home again next season. They say that Oher should have been drafted in he 2-3 round!!! And that our O-line is suspsect. And worst of all they have us losing to the Raiders!!

[Alexir]

Well thank god their opinions dont decide the outcome. i really cant believe people get paid to write such ****...

Games arent won on paper they are won on the grid iron

[reediddy]

Don't waste your breath trying to comprehend how these "experts" are determining the outcomes of the game. They are simply looking at players and saying Oh he is better than him and he is better than him therefore this team will win. ****** that. I guarantee they have the Raiders beating us because they said Hey Nnamdi Asomugha is the best CB in the game therefore he will shut down the receiver he is guarding (Mason) and pick off any pass thrown his way. On the other side, Darrius Heyward-Bey is tall and fast and Domonique Foxworth is not good therefore JaMarcus Russell will throw TDs to him all day therefore Raiders win. That's the kind of "analysis" these guys have, don't even worry, damit i can't wait til the season starts so the Ravens can just shut all these "experts" up

[darklight1216]

I bet these guys had Dallas winning the Superbowl last year.

[ROH522155]

plain in simple this is total bs

[Wacko4Zacko]

The only team that actually may have a chance of beating us is Cincy, but they have the slim chance.

Why? Because IMO the combo of Carson/OchoCinco/Coles is like the combo of Warner/Fitzgerald/Boldin

[reediddy]

[quote name='Wacko4Zacko' post='199210' date='Jun 12 2009, 04:26 PM']The only team that actually may have a chance of beating us is Cincy, but they have the slim chance.

Why? Because IMO the combo of Carson/OchoCinco/Coles is like the combo of Warner/Fitzgerald/Boldin[/quote]

Fitzgerald/Boldin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ochocinco/Coles

[neepo13]

These guys are not the only guys writing us off. A lot of other "experts" have us as an after thought as well. But its all good. Everybody knows the best ****** whippin to give is the one they never saw coming.

[#1 D]

[quote name='Wacko4Zacko' post='199210' date='Jun 12 2009, 07:26 PM']The only team that actually may have a chance of beating us is Cincy, but they have the slim chance.

Why? Because IMO the combo of Carson/OchoCinco/Coles is like the combo of Warner/Fitzgerald/Boldin[/quote]
well not quite...i dont think coles and Chad Johnson are quite the physical freaks as Fitz and Boldin, plus their offense has a way better running game than the bengals. the games will be more interesting, but the ravens should still be able to come out on top.

[ROH522155]

[quote name='reediddy' post='199218' date='Jun 12 2009, 06:53 PM']Fitzgerald/Boldin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ochocinco/Coles[/quote]

and Warner >>> Palmer

[JEEPercreepermd]

i read about 3 scentences of it. don't waste you time with it. It's funny how people keep talking about us losing rex and how the defense will drop off. Here's the thing, Mattison isn't changing the defense at all. It's still going to be the same defense that we have seen for years, Sounds like he's just going to make some adjustments to the very few things that they didn't do well. He's a players coach just like Rex and he already has the respect of the vets. We have Landry,Gooden,Gregg starting instead of Scott Bannan and Leonhard...i think we'll be just fine. Also with their comments in reguards to Heap, if you remember in 2007 their was no one to throw the ball to him! and last season, he was blocking all year so how can you gauge how much or if is skills have deteriorated at all.. i doubt it. Cam is great at using TE's in his offenses. As for the O-line, we lost willie anderson who was past his prime anyway and picked up Oher who can play just as good as a rookie as Anderson did last season, we lost Jason Brown but picked up matt birk. Ben Grubbs is very solid, Gaither was dominant at times last season, hopefully yanda will come back from injury in time for week 1. This O-line could very well develop into one of the leagues best. everything these so called experts say about the ravens is almost completely backwards.

[Ravnet]

Jacksonville, San Francisco, and Houston are literally "trendy" picks every year with one or two other teams added to the list on occasion; this year, Cincy seems to be one of those franchises as people see them "on the rise." Bull****.

Tennessee and Baltimore are good the majority of the time yet consistently overlooked.

[McBurks]

[quote name='Alexir' post='199145' date='Jun 12 2009, 03:30 PM']Well thank god their opinions dont decide the outcome. i really cant believe people get paid to write such ****...

Games arent won on paper they are won on the grid iron[/quote]
Yes.

[quote name='darklight1216' post='199172' date='Jun 12 2009, 05:07 PM']I bet these guys had Dallas winning the Superbowl last year.[/quote]
Probably.

[quote name='ravensorioleshoyas522155' post='199176' date='Jun 12 2009, 05:14 PM']plain in simple this is total bs[/quote]
Totally.

They had Ray Rice having more yards than McGahee,our [size=5]expected[/size] starter.Losing Bart isn't devastating,sure it's gonna hurt us,but it isn't like he was the whole defense for the team,they're talking like he was.Rex Ran coached a good defense,he just came up with plays and the players executed them well,not him.Ov-er-ra-ted.

[flynismo]

[quote name='samic' post='199143' date='Jun 12 2009, 03:09 PM'][url="http://www.whatifsports.com/beyondtheboxscore/default.asp?article=2009NFLANORTH"]http://www.whatifsports.com/beyondtheboxsc...e=2009NFLANORTH[/url]

Check out this link. They try to breakdown the AFC North and predict the w vs. l for each team. I think it is crazy that cincy has more wins than us next season and that Pitt beats us at home again next season. They say that Oher should have been drafted in he 2-3 round!!! And that our O-line is suspsect. And worst of all they have us losing to the Raiders!![/quote]


lmao...

This is why they are whaitifsports.com, and not a credible, respected sports site.

[Alexir]

[quote name='darklight1216' post='199172' date='Jun 12 2009, 05:07 PM']I bet these guys had Dallas winning the Superbowl last year.[/quote]

who in the "sports writing world" didnt?

They are all bull ****.

The day i see a Pats/Cowboys Superbowl is the day I eat my own feces

[Yatagarasu]

Very interesting...

However, I bet not a lot of people believe the Ravens are going to have a weak 2009 season.

But then, I like the under the radar role to make people scratch their heads.

[Chi_Town_Raven]

The best feeling was probably last year. I wouldn't take that over a Super Bowl, but it was pretty damn close.

[nextgen_RavensFan]

I stay away from predictions like that. We always have an X-Factor it seems. Someone always makes a play. and the ones that are steady at keeping the field even and the game close are the backbone of our team. ( Ray-Raay, Ed Reed, Ngata) and now the O'line will provide a sweet pocket till flacco gets right up there with the speed of the game because the steelers beat him with the fact that he was just that one step behind.

[RavensIQ]

I'm srry I even bothered going to that website. 8-8?

Plz...this guy doesn't even know what he's talking about, at all. Granted it's pretty difficult to pick out 8 teams from anybody's schedule that are considered to be Wins, but how in his right mind did he find the 8 teams that we're supposedly going to lose 2?

Seriously, 8 losses?

What pisses me off about these experts is how inept their expertise is on the Baltimore Ravens; especially when they suggest that the Ravens will somehow be incapable of filling this HUGE void left behind by Rex Ryan and Bart Scott. Somehow we don't have the players talented enough to replace Bart Scott, yet year in and year out we seem to lose Pro Bowl caliber talent at the LB position and still manage to have a top 5 defense. (Peter Boulware, Ed Hartwell, Adailius Thomas, now Bart Scott) The same can be said about coaches. Look at how many defensive coaches we've lost over the years (Marvin Lewis, Mike Nolan, Jack Del Rio, Mike Singletary ect, ect...) Yet somehow we manage to find a just-as-good if not better, replacement. It's the most asinine argument to use for why the Ravens will be a worse team in 09.

What about the fun stat of us making it to the AFC Championship game last year despite having 17 players on IR? What about our rookie QB not being a rookie QB anymore? Or our once depleted secondary now becoming one of our deepest/greatest strengths heading into the new season? Or the return of our star DT (who no one will let shine bcuz most fail to recognize his brillance) Kelly Gregg? Or the return of arguably our most talented WR, Demetrius Williams? Or the addition of a 6x Pro Bowl center, Matt Birk? The return of one of the best SS in the game Dawan Landry?

But no...some how the Bengals will improve but the Ravens will decline. Sometimes I just wanna smack the crap out of stupid people. For goodness sake he has the Chiefs being our "closest game" for next season

[Strangebru]

I have only three words for what this web site says about the Ravens chances:

[color="#4B0082"][size=7][u][i][b][font="Century Gothic"]Bulletin Board Material![/font][/b][/i][/u][/size][/color]

[baltiMORE RAVENS]

[quote name='Strangebru' post='199386' date='Jun 13 2009, 12:46 PM']I have only three words for what this web site says about the Ravens chances:

[color="#4B0082"][size=7][u][i][b][font="Century Gothic"]Bulletin Board Material![/font][/b][/i][/u][/size][/color][/quote]

I really don't think the players care about this crap, so it probably won't motivate them any more than they are already are.

[Bltravens]

lol they have the Browns going straight up Detroit Lions this season.

[markorad]

this uneducated article still lists big willie on our team with hopes that oher might unseat him
another case of the media idiots underestimating out team...8-8???? C'mon now
let them try to sleep on us like they did last year, we were a few plays and a stupid stone penalty away from the superbowl

[JEEPercreepermd]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='199363' date='Jun 13 2009, 10:51 AM']I'm srry I even bothered going to that website. 8-8?

Plz...this guy doesn't even know what he's talking about, at all. Granted it's pretty difficult to pick out 8 teams from anybody's schedule that are considered to be Wins, but how in his right mind did he find the 8 teams that we're supposedly going to lose 2?

Seriously, 8 losses?

What pisses me off about these experts is how inept their expertise is on the Baltimore Ravens; especially when they suggest that the Ravens will somehow be incapable of filling this HUGE void left behind by Rex Ryan and Bart Scott. Somehow we don't have the players talented enough to replace Bart Scott, yet year in and year out we seem to lose Pro Bowl caliber talent at the LB position and still manage to have a top 5 defense. (Peter Boulware, Ed Hartwell, Adailius Thomas, now Bart Scott) The same can be said about coaches. Look at how many defensive coaches we've lost over the years (Marvin Lewis, Mike Nolan, Jack Del Rio, Mike Singletary ect, ect...) Yet somehow we manage to find a just-as-good if not better, replacement. It's the most asinine argument to use for why the Ravens will be a worse team in 09.

What about the fun stat of us making it to the AFC Championship game last year despite having 17 players on IR? What about our rookie QB not being a rookie QB anymore? Or our once depleted secondary now becoming one of our deepest/greatest strengths heading into the new season? Or the return of our star DT (who no one will let shine bcuz most fail to recognize his brillance) Kelly Gregg? Or the return of arguably our most talented WR, Demetrius Williams? Or the addition of a 6x Pro Bowl center, Matt Birk? The return of one of the best SS in the game Dawan Landry?

But no...some how the Bengals will improve but the Ravens will decline. Sometimes I just wanna smack the crap out of stupid people. For goodness sake he has the Chiefs being our "closest game" for next season [/quote]

Thank you! I couldn't have said it better myself! bravo. these guys really are funny arent they? We lose Willie Anderson who was past his prime, our 2nd string SS jim leonhard, Bart Scott,and our DC. We have lost better lb's and still had a great defense, we have lost other DC's and the defense was still top 5 the very next season, and we have KEPT samari rolle, we get Buddy Lee and Landry back from IR, aquired Foxworth thus giving us tremendous depth at Corner,Safety and on the D line, Mattison will be calling pretty much the SAME defense but hopes to iron our a few of the kinks (maybe he won't go into a prevent defense with the game on the line like Rex) We have improved an already improving O-line, Flacco now knows the offense and has a good relationship with Cam. With Mcgahee and Rice we have a great tandem and can throw Leron in there for short yardage situations and goal line situations. The TE's are sure to be a lot more involved in the passing game this year, and we have also gotten more depth at that position as well getting snypnewski from IR, and picking up L.J Smith. There is ONLY one negative and i'm suprised that writer failed to mention it. The Kickers worry me. From everything i have heard/read Gano has bombed some FG's form 60+ yds but can be very inconsistent at times. Houshka has a strong leg as well, but struggles with consistancy. I know Stover is STILL an option but then we will have to probably carry two kickers. I doubt that will happen because in years past we would just cut the #3 QB for the extra kicker but we signed John Beck so i don't know if that's really an option..Either way i'm sure Harbs will not go into the season with an inadequate kicker

[JO_75]

8-8??? I can take that prediction if this was last year, when Joe was a rookie QB and John Harbough was a Rookie head Coach. This year no....... no way. I can't believe these media people believe Rex Ryan leaving will hurt our defense. RavensIQ, I think you need to show them the little history lesson you put in your post. We have lost many defensive coordinators, and still we have been a top 5 defense. Quite frankly yes, I believe the Bengals will be a better team, I won't deny that, I do think the AFC North has the opportunity if the Bengals improve enough to maybe put 3 teams in the playoffs. Just remember, everybody didn't have us doing anything last year, yet we were a few plays away from the Super Bowl, so yeah let them keep us under the radar.

This is also the same media who for some reason think Dallas is the team to beat in the NFC East, despite missing the playoffs last year!

[reediddy]

[quote name='JO_75' post='199395' date='Jun 13 2009, 10:55 AM']8-8??? I can take that prediction if this was last year, when Joe was a rookie QB and John Harbough was a Rookie head Coach. This year no....... no way. I can't believe these media people believe Rex Ryan leaving will hurt our defense. RavensIQ, I think you need to show them the little history lesson you put in your post. We have lost many defensive coordinators, and still we have been a top 5 defense. Quite frankly yes, I believe the Bengals will be a better team, I won't deny that, I do think the AFC North has the opportunity if the Bengals improve enough to maybe put 3 teams in the playoffs. Just remember, everybody didn't have us doing anything last year, yet we were a few plays away from the Super Bowl, so yeah let them keep us under the radar.

[b]This is also the same media who for some reason think Dallas is the team to beat in the NFC East, despite missing the playoffs last year[/b]![/quote]

[wolfzie06]

All websites like this have to be different than the rest of the pack so that they will pop up on message boards and incite outrage. If they were so good at predictions, bigger companies like Sporting News or ESPN or S.I. would have hired them already.

[PurpleReign#1D]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='199291' date='Jun 13 2009, 12:15 AM']Jacksonville, San Francisco, and Houston are literally "trendy" picks every year with one or two other teams added to the list on occasion; this year, Cincy seems to be one of those franchises as people see them "on the rise." Bull****.

Tennessee and Baltimore are good the majority of the time yet consistently overlooked.[/quote]


yea n im sure cincy or the browns were on that list last year... i dont get why the browns n cincy get tthrown into playoff discusssions every year ... everyone knows its the ravens n the steelers that r gonna be at the top... the browns n bengals to me, are the same team, both wear black n orange, both havent been to superbowls in 25+ years, both from ohio.................. i think they should take the best from each team n MAYBE they can be a playoff possible team

[neepo13]

I found this interesting:

[quote]Also, we account for players with injury histories who are considered likely to miss games despite currently being healthy by randomly taking them out of what the analysis dictates is the correct number of games throughout the season. For players who will begin the season injured or who are assumed to replace the current starter during the season, we deliberately make those roster changes in the appropriate weeks. All of these items can cause some perceived inconsistencies with the scores, especially when a team plays one opponent from its division with one set of starters and uses different personnel later.[/quote]

Which means they randomly take out guys like Heap, Mason, Gregg, Pryce, McGahee, Ray Rice, Landry, Lewis and probably even Reed. Basically, they assume that players based on past injuries wont play the whole season. I think we can throw this one in the garbage now.

And after further examination of the site here is last years verision:

[url="http://www.whatifsports.com/beyondtheboxscore/default.asp?article=20080611"]http://www.whatifsports.com/beyondtheboxsc...rticle=20080611[/url]

They sure were spot on. Ok, garbage time now.

[PurpleReign#1D]

[quote name='neepo13' post='199523' date='Jun 14 2009, 12:03 AM']I found this interesting:



Which means they randomly take out guys like Heap, Mason, Gregg, Pryce, McGahee, Ray Rice, Landry, Lewis and probably even Reed. Basically, they assume that players based on past injuries wont play the whole season. I think we can throw this one in the garbage now.

And after further examination of the site here is last years verision:

[url="http://www.whatifsports.com/beyondtheboxscore/default.asp?article=20080611"]http://www.whatifsports.com/beyondtheboxsc...rticle=20080611[/url]

They sure were spot on. Ok, garbage time now.[/quote]


exactly... they have the browns winning the division last year... WOW