Most Complete Team In The Nfl?

[Ozzsome]

I think the BALTIMORE RAVENS have the most complete team as we have a great defense, a good young QB who makes our offense better, a good young offensiveline, solid WRs and a 3 headed monster

Other complete teams are the PITTSBURGH STEELERS, PHILADELPHIA EAGLES, NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS

I know a lot of you will crticize me about that but i think the HOUSTON TEXANS will have a good team, as i think they have a good young defense (especially their front 7) but always had the wrong coordinators


Thoughts on the Ravens being the most complete team?

[Girondoravens]

I'm gonna have to slightly disagree. My 2 concerns are the loss of Bart Scott and I'm not sure about our WRs. But we have a good coach/QB combo in Joe Flacco and John Harbaugh, so that could overlook any other concerns.

[JEEPercreepermd]

[quote name='Girondoravens' post='199128' date='Jun 12 2009, 01:46 PM']I'm gonna have to slightly disagree. My 2 concerns are the loss of Bart Scott and I'm not sure about our WRs. But we have a good coach/QB combo in Joe Flacco and John Harbaugh, so that could overlook any other concerns.[/quote]

The success of the Ravens Defense didn't hinge on Bart Scott. Bart was good, Tavares Gooden/Jameel Mcclain are adequate. Bart wasn't great dropping back into coverage, seems like Gooden has the speed to do that as well. The Ravens proved last year that we can win with who we have. We really desperately need to get Heap and L.J smith involved in the passing game more, i think that will open many more options for play calling and also two sure handed big targets for joe

[darklight1216]

I strongly disagree. Our team is far from "complete. We obviously have a great defense, the coaching staff has turned out well so far, but it looks like our special teams will be lacking the third most accurate kicker in NFL history, and our offense was ranked 28th last year. I certainly believe that we will get better, but objectively speaking, we do not have a complete team.

I think the most complete teams (on paper at least) are the Philadelphia Eagles, Cincinnati Bengals, Washington Redskins, and the New England Patriots.

[RoflDogs]

Patriots....

Elite QB....Check
Good stable of RBs......Check
Elite WRs.....Check
Great OL.....Check
Great DL.....Check
LBs......Check
Secondary.....Check

Kicker/Punter.......Meh
Returner.......Meh

They are pretty solid right there

[die_hard_raven]

[quote name='darklight1216' post='199133' date='Jun 12 2009, 01:54 PM']I strongly disagree. Our team is far from "complete. We obviously have a great defense, the coaching staff has turned out well so far, but it looks like our special teams will be lacking the third most accurate kicker in NFL history, and our offense was ranked 28th last year. I certainly believe that we will get better, but objectively speaking, we do not have a complete team.

I think the most complete teams (on paper at least) are the Philadelphia Eagles, Cincinnati Bengals, Washington Redskins, and the New England Patriots.[/quote]

Not sure about Washington. They keep running Portis like a rented Mule and he's gonna be done, they obviously have little confidence in Campbell. And with Haynesworth if he's not surrounded by the same quality lineman as he had in Tennessee he could have a mediocer year. Not cause he's not a good player but if he's not surrounded by quality talent teams will take him out the game and force others around him to make plays.

Cincy has no D and no run game. I agree w the Pats, Eagles... it's hard to be well balanced in D, O and special teams.

[ROH522155]

[quote name='darklight1216' post='199133' date='Jun 12 2009, 12:54 PM']I strongly disagree. Our team is far from "complete. We obviously have a great defense, the coaching staff has turned out well so far, but it looks like our special teams will be lacking the third most accurate kicker in NFL history, and our offense was ranked 28th last year. I certainly believe that we will get better, but objectively speaking, we do not have a complete team.

I think the most complete teams (on paper at least) are the Philadelphia Eagles, Cincinnati Bengals, Washington Redskins, and the New England Patriots.[/quote]

stop all the praising of the Bengals.

The Redskins and Bengals teams arent NEARLY complete. the Redskins are more so than the Bengals though they just need an o-line and a qb.

and what u are pretty much saying with this post is the Bengals and Redskins are better than the Ravens. Come on now.

[Alexir]

I would throw the Eagles and Skins name in. Skins just need some more from Jason.

[Chi_Town_Raven]

[quote name='Alexir' post='199146' date='Jun 12 2009, 02:30 PM']I would throw the Eagles and Skins name in. Skins just need some more from Jason.[/quote]
Jason who?

[reediddy]

How on Earth are the Redskins a complete team? They aren't complete they just have a bunch of big name players that everyone drools over for some reason. The Eagles are getting there, the Pats are pretty much there. Ravens? Could be, as long as we find young talent on the defensive side to eventually replace Ray and Pryce etc. Offensively we can determine if we are complete next year, we have to see if any of our receivers are the real deal. And once again there are people saying Bart Scott was such an integral part of our defense blah blah. PRODUCT OF THE SYSTEM a la Adalius Thomas, Ed Hartwell, Peter Boulware, etc....

[Alexir]

Jason Campbell

[Alexir]

[quote name='reediddy' post='199151' date='Jun 12 2009, 04:13 PM']How on Earth are the Redskins a complete team? They aren't complete they just have a bunch of big name players that everyone drools over for some reason. The Eagles are getting there, the Pats are pretty much there. Ravens? Could be, as long as we find young talent on the defensive side to eventually replace Ray and Pryce etc. Offensively we can determine if we are complete next year, we have to see if any of our receivers are the real deal. And once again there are people saying Bart Scott was such an integral part of our defense blah blah. PRODUCT OF THE SYSTEM a la Adalius Thomas, Ed Hartwell, Peter Boulware, etc....[/quote]


Hm lets see. 4th ranked defense. They just signed Haynesworth. Their corners are really really good. Leron is a beast. Horton will probably get the SS start. The linebackers are a little old but they are using Orkapo as a LB now.

on to offense. Chris Cooley, Clinton Portis, Mike Sellers, Chris Samuel, Santana Moss, Randle El, Devin Thomas, Malcom Kelly

Only thing this team needs is a consistent QB.

if you think the Redskins arent a complete team but you think the ravens are, you are ******ing high!

[Chi_Town_Raven]

Oh yeah, thought you meant Taylor.

[Alexir]

[quote name='Chi_Town_Raven' post='199157' date='Jun 12 2009, 04:26 PM']Oh yeah, thought you meant Taylor.[/quote]

LMAO!

Geez, I forgot he even played for them. What did he have like 1 sack.

[ZIBBY28]

i dont think any team in the NFL is, or will ever be "complete," but the closest teams to it IMO are:

Patriots
Steelers
Eagles
Giants

[ZIBBY28]

[quote name='Alexir' post='199159' date='Jun 12 2009, 04:34 PM']LMAO!

Geez, I forgot he even played for them. What did he have like 1 sack.[/quote]

lol.. all 9 million dollars of him..

he didnt have a horrible year though when he played.. he only started half of his teams games and had 4 sacks i believe, but still.. those arent jason taylor numbers and ceratinly not worth the money he signed for

[darklight1216]

Maybe I need to explain my post...

[darklight1216]

[quote name='die_hard_raven' post='199138' date='Jun 12 2009, 02:44 PM']Not sure about Washington. They keep running Portis like a rented Mule and he's gonna be done, they obviously have little confidence in Campbell. And with Haynesworth if he's not surrounded by the same quality lineman as he had in Tennessee he could have a mediocer year. Not cause he's not a good player but if he's not surrounded by quality talent teams will take him out the game and force others around him to make plays.

Cincy has no D and no run game. I agree w the Pats, Eagles... it's hard to be well balanced in D, O and special teams.[/quote]
Okay, the thing that you have to remember is that I said "on paper."
Washington has a great defense already (4th in the league) and, as you said, they added Haynesworth which should only improve them. With all the offensive pro-bowlers that they have, even an average qb [i]should[/i] look good on that team, which means they they [i]should[/i] have a complete team. Again I must stress the "on paper" part. I don't really think they are Superbowl competitors and maybe not even playoff competitors, but they [i]look[/i] somewhat complete in my opinion... though much less so than Philly and NE.
Cincy had the 12th rated defense last year, and though all of us Ravens fans can look down our noses at them from where we stand, you have to remember that that Cincy's defense is (according to it's ranking) better than the vast majority of other teams. With Palmer back and the new toys they got to join him (plus Chad Johnson) they also [i] should[/i] in theory be a good team.


[quote name='ravensorioleshoyas522155' post='199139' date='Jun 12 2009, 02:47 PM']stop all the praising of the Bengals.

The Redskins and Bengals teams arent NEARLY complete. the Redskins are more so than the Bengals though they just need an o-line and a qb.

and what u are pretty much saying with this post is the Bengals and Redskins are better than the Ravens. Come on now.[/quote]
Lol, I am the person who is always quick to point out that the Bengals have had exactly one winning season, one post seaon appearance, and zero post season wins in the last 18 years. This team has proven that they do not know what they are doing and I don't seriously think that they will amount to anything. If they try, Baltimore and Pitt will always be there to stop them.
What I was saying in that post is that the teams that I chose look good on paper, nothing more. Even the Eagles, who generally look good, have never been good enough to win a Superbowl.
To me, this thread is just about who looks like they have a good defense, offense, and coaching staff etc.
It has not escaped my notice that the the Colts had the 21st rated defense in 2006, the Ravens had the 16th rated offense in 2000, Giants had the 16th rated offense in 2007, the Steelers had the 22nd offense in 2008, and yet these teams have won half of the last ten Superbowls.
I know that some of the teams I mentioned in my earlier post are inferior to us, I was only saying that they looked good on paper. It's not like it was a playoff prediction.

[baltiMORE RAVENS]

[quote name='Alexir' post='199159' date='Jun 12 2009, 04:34 PM']LMAO!

Geez, I forgot he even played for them. What did he have like 1 sack.[/quote]

He is taking those mind blowing numbers to the Dolphins now. Skins got rid of him.

[Yatagarasu]

nah

[ROH522155]

[quote name='darklight1216' post='199167' date='Jun 12 2009, 04:00 PM']I don't really think they are Superbowl competitors and maybe not even playoff competitors, but they [i]look[/i] somewhat complete in my opinion[/quote]

how is a team not considered to be super bowl and maybe not even playoff contenders complete??? This makes no sense!

[darklight1216]

[quote name='ravensorioleshoyas522155' post='199173' date='Jun 12 2009, 05:08 PM']how is a team not considered to be super bowl and maybe not even playoff contenders complete??? This makes no sense![/quote]
Did you read my post at all?
Long story short: they look complete on paper, but recent history has shown that they suck... except the Patriots.
If you were going to put the "paper team" ,so to speak, in the Superbowl, you would be just like the mediots who always select the Cowboys to win.

[ROH522155]

[quote name='darklight1216' post='199174' date='Jun 12 2009, 04:11 PM']Did you read my post at all?
Long story short: they look complete on paper, but recent history has shown that they suck... except the Patriots.
If you were going to put the "paper team" ,so to speak, in the Superbowl, you would be just like the mediots who always select the Cowboys to win.[/quote]


ok i understand wat u are saying now but i disagree that they look complete even on paper. they have wat looks to be a good d line. pretty good linebackers, good corners and one good safety on defense. so pretty solid there. on offense they have a good running back, and a good tight end. their wide recievers are just as good as ours and ours might even prove to be better. they have an average or below offensive line and Jason Campbell needs a lot of work. To be honest, i dont think he has a chance of being a good nfl quarterback. and on special teams, they have a good return man. there punter and kicker stink. hardly a complete team at the moment

[Ed_Reed20]

I would say the Giants, Steelers, Panthers and Patriots are amongst the most complete teams in the NFL.

[ROH522155]

Carolina needs a quarterback

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='ravensorioleshoyas522155' post='199205' date='Jun 12 2009, 06:49 PM']Carolina needs a quarterback[/quote]

I agree. I was rooting for them to win it all last year after the Ravens went down. I'm still convinced they could have beat the Cardinals had they just ran the ball on every down.

Still, even with Delhomme's inconsistency, they have Steve Smith, DeAngelo Williams, Muhsin Muhammad on offense and Peppers, Beason, Chris Harris and three really good corners on defense.

[ROH522155]

well the Ravens went down after the Panthers but yea.

[reediddy]

[quote name='Alexir' post='199154' date='Jun 12 2009, 01:19 PM']Hm lets see. 4th ranked defense. They just signed Haynesworth. Their corners are really really good. Leron is a beast. Horton will probably get the SS start. The linebackers are a little old but they are using Orkapo as a LB now.

on to offense. Chris Cooley, Clinton Portis, Mike Sellers, Chris Samuel, Santana Moss, Randle El, Devin Thomas, Malcom Kelly

Only thing this team needs is a consistent QB.

if you think the Redskins arent a complete team but you think the ravens are, you are ******ing high![/quote]

nothing in my post said the Ravens are a complete team

Ravens and Redskins are in a similar situation defensively, lots of great players
offensively: our lines are both great yet we have one question mark each, Campbell for Skins, WR for Ravens

[pick-ups]

[quote name='reediddy' post='199219' date='Jun 12 2009, 04:57 PM']nothing in my post said the Ravens are a complete team

Ravens and Redskins are in a similar situation defensively, lots of great players
offensively: our lines are both great yet we have one question mark each, Campbell for Skins, WR for Ravens[/quote]
The Skins O-line isn't great and has some question marks.
Who's their RT?
Jon Jansen is in Detroit now.

[BmoreRav]

[quote name='darklight1216' post='199133' date='Jun 12 2009, 06:54 PM']I strongly disagree. Our team is far from "complete. We obviously have a great defense, the coaching staff has turned out well so far, but it looks like our special teams will be lacking the third most accurate kicker in NFL history, and our offense was ranked 28th last year. I certainly believe that we will get better, but objectively speaking, we do not have a complete team.

I think the most complete teams (on paper at least) are the Philadelphia Eagles, Cincinnati Bengals, Washington Redskins, and the New England Patriots.[/quote]

I'm sorry but even after your explanation I have to lol really hard at the Bengals being in the top 4 most complete team on paper!!
Your putting too much merit on a kicker in overall special teams in terms of missing "the third most accurate kicker in NFL history" also!
It wasn't as if he was clutch for us last season.

Career stats will only get you so far!!

I agree we don't have a complete team but the Bengals!!!????