99 Player Rankings For '09

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='darklight1216' post='199297' date='Jun 13 2009, 12:37 AM']Here I was thinking that the Ravens had beaten the Steelers in BR's (aren't those ironic initials?) first game after that guy (Tommy Madox or whatever) was injured. Shows how much I care about keeping up with the Steelers. No offense, Prophet.

[b]He didnt start that game so it doesnt count as a loss[/b]

Kurt Warner is third in NFL history with a 93.8 career passer rating. Interestingly, in his worst statistical game, his passer rating was 56.2
Warner's teams are 8-3 in the postseason. In Nfl history, only Tom Brady (14-3; .824) and Bart Starr (9-1; .900) boast better postseason records than Warner.
He's also a two-time MVP, a Super Bowl champion and a Super Bowl MVP.
He is on the short list of quarterbacks who have started three Super Bowls, and he

[lowrider]

[quote name='Chi_Town_Raven' post='199292' date='Jun 13 2009, 12:21 AM']I could be a 4th string kicker and have 20 rings. Wont make me good.[/quote]
You're talking about Tom Brady. The guy who lead the Patriots dynasty. The all time single season td record. And you're going to compare him to a kicker? Its like comparing the water boy on the Chicago Bulls when Jordan won the championships. Tom Brady is great because he wins and puts up stats.

And for the Big ben being an elite QB, it goes back to age old question of what classifies an elite QB. Is it if they win? Or how many stats they put up. Before this year i would have said that Ben was not an elite QB. But that final throw to Holmes to win the game against the Cardinals made me believe he was an elite QB. He took over at the end of the game and was the leader. Thats what made Joe Montana so good. Yes, Ben's defense is great and running game is good. But the defense and running game didnt make the final play to win the game. I dont know how Ben does it. He wins. And if he wins and continues winning, he is one of the best. And no amount of Ravens bias can change that.

[scotchtape622]

Passing yards:
14th

Touch downs:
3rd

Interceptions:
11

Rating:
2nd

He had a great year last year. Look at the year before.

Passing yards:
21st

TDs:
13th

Ints:
Dead last

Rating:
21st

Consistency is a very important thing in a QB. Ben isn't consistent in the first 3 quarters of the game, and he isn't consistent throughout seasons.

Anderson and Garrard also had great years last year too. Now, Anderson will probably lose his starting job, and Garrard is doing almost as bad.

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='scotchtape622' post='199304' date='Jun 13 2009, 12:51 AM']Consistency is a very important thing in a QB. Ben isn't consistent in the first 3 quarters of the game, and he isn't consistent throughout seasons.

Anderson and Garrard also had great years last year too. Now, Anderson will probably lose his starting job, and Garrard is doing almost as bad.[/quote]

your right he has to get more consistent

but he is also young.....his stats are on par with most hall of fame quarterbacks in their first five years

[darklight1216]

[quote name='lowrider' post='199303' date='Jun 13 2009, 12:50 AM'][b]You're talking about Tom Brady. The guy who lead the Patriots dynasty. The all time single season td record. And you're going to compare him to a kicker?[/b] Its like comparing the water boy on the Chicago Bulls when Jordan won the championships. Tom Brady is great because he wins and puts up stats.

And for the Big ben being an elite QB, it goes back to age old question of what classifies an elite QB. Is it if they win? Or how many stats they put up. Before this year i would have said that Ben was not an elite QB. But that final throw to Holmes to win the game against the Cardinals made me believe he was an elite QB. He took over at the end of the game and was the leader. Thats what made Joe Montana so good. Yes, Ben's defense is great and running game is good. But the defense and running game didnt make the final play to win the game. I dont know how Ben does it. He wins. And if he wins and continues winning, he is one of the best. And no amount of Ravens bias can change that.[/quote]
I think Scotch was actually talking about Roethlisberger.

Edit:
[quote][b]He didnt start that game so it doesnt count as a loss[/b][/quote]
Ever hear that saying "It isn't how you start; it's how you finish?" J/k, I'm just messing with you.

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[quote name='scotchtape622' post='199304' date='Jun 13 2009, 12:51 AM']Consistency is a very important thing in a QB. Ben isn't consistent in the first 3 quarters of the game, and he isn't consistent throughout seasons.

Anderson and Garrard also had great years last year too. Now, Anderson will probably lose his starting job, and Garrard is doing almost as bad.[/quote]
Ben consistantly wins super bowls. Say all you want. That drive he made to win the super bowl makes him elite. Bill Russell wasnt a flashy basketball player but he is elite because he won.

The problem with the Ravens for so long is we had no one to look to at the end of a game. Our defense would take care of us for 3 quarters but then we would have no one to look too. In crunch time, the Steelers know who to look to. I'd take that over Dan Marino's stats and zero rings.

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='darklight1216' post='199307' date='Jun 13 2009, 12:57 AM']Ever hear that saying "It isn't how you start; it's how you finish?" J/k, I'm just messing with you. [/quote]

lol yea ive heard it

[darklight1216]

[quote name='lowrider' post='199311' date='Jun 13 2009, 01:03 AM']Ben consistantly wins super bowls. Say all you want. [b]That drive he made to win the super bowl makes him elite.[/b] Bill Russell wasnt a flashy basketball player but he is elite because he won.

The problem with the Ravens for so long is we had no one to look to at the end of a game. Our defense would take care of us for 3 quarters but then we would have no one to look too. In crunch time, the Steelers know who to look to. I'd take that over Dan Marino's stats and zero rings.[/quote]
Eli Manning is elite?

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='darklight1216' post='199314' date='Jun 13 2009, 01:06 AM']Eli Manning is elite?[/quote]

At the very least he will be IMO

[scotchtape622]

Marino, the QB who I think was the greatest of all time, had his "year" in his second season.

Unitas had far surpassed Ben by his fourth year.

Tarkenton kicked Ben's butt.

PS: I hate the Hall of Fame. A lot of these QBs shouldn't be on here. They won because they had an amazing supporting cast. Wins shouldn't get you into the Hall of Fame. You get Super Bowl rings for that. Stats should be the only thing that counts in the Hall of Fame. An maybe the LACK of supporting cast.

Edit: Eli isn't even close to elite. He sits behind his great running game and defense, like Ben. The only difference is that Eli now has no good wide receivers, and his defense isn't as good...

[darklight1216]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' post='199315' date='Jun 13 2009, 01:08 AM']At the very least he will be IMO[/quote]
Manning is an elite quarterback if his name is Peyton...

I'm curious, why do you have such a high opinion of him?

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='darklight1216' post='199320' date='Jun 13 2009, 01:25 AM']Manning is an elite quarterback if his name is Peyton...

I'm curious, why do you have such a high opinion of him?[/quote]

i hold any quarterback in high regard that can rise to the occasion and win a nailbiter

and although he does have those games where he is really bad......i believe he has all the right ingredients

he just has to learn to cook

[codizzle]

ben sucks

put that in ur pipe and smoke it !!!!!!!!!

aint had a conversation on here with u in forever sprophet

[smashmouth]

[quote name='ChiseBack(CB)' post='198754' date='Jun 11 2009, 08:49 AM']Some surprises...

[size=1][/size]Behind only Tom Brady and Peyton Manning and ahead of QB's like Drew Brees and Kurt Warner as well as all other skill positions.
[size=1][/size]Ahead of Warner, McNabb, Palmer, Cutler and others. Honestly I'm not a big fan of Eli, he rides his running game and sits behind one of the best lines in the league. I think he's good but not top 5 at his position. I'm sure other people wont have as many qualms rating him this highly as I do though.
[size=1][/size]Has him as the top O-lineman in the league, I though it was funny that he mentioned his ability to play both the Left and Right tackle spots considering he completely blew chunks at LT last season[size=1][/size]2nd highest CB ahead of guys like Darrell Revis, Corey Webster and Cortland Finnegan. Seems to get ahead on name power alone with a lot of people thinking 2008 was an aberration rather than a sign of decline.[size=1][/size]Terribly overrated; Mayo is a product of the "young+talented=great player" line of thinking. Mayo is a talented young linebacker in a great scheme but the cold truth is that 2nd round pick Curtis Lofton of the Atlanta Falcons was a better candidate for DROTY than Mayo and yet never had a chance to win it over Mayo's glorified production.

The list is just one full of "the big names" and while it's a relatively safe one it doesn't make it very interesting or accurate.[/quote]

I agree with all of these, im glad I diddnt have to type it! RothisbUrger at 3 is a joke,Eli is defiently not a top 5 QB. and Mayo is waay overrated. I think he has the talant, he just diddnt have the production IMO. I diddnt watch even close to all his games, but the ones I seen he couldent cover well at all.

[Andrew Glass]

Lol that list is so <[i]wrong[/i]>, That made me cometo the decision I will never look at the foxsports website for football infomation again

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[quote name='darklight1216' post='199314' date='Jun 13 2009, 01:06 AM']Eli Manning is elite?[/quote]
Thats a little different. At the end of games for Steelers they look for Ben to carry them. And he did on that drive and he did in close games throughout the year. Eli was elite that year and on that drive. I would still put him in the top range of qbs.

I'm not saying Ben is in the top three qbs but i'm saying that he is still in the elite category. Probably number 5 on my list of top 5 qbs.

[scotchtape622]

[quote name='lowrider' post='199311' date='Jun 12 2009, 11:03 PM']Ben consistantly wins super bowls. Say all you want. That drive he made to win the super bowl makes him elite. Bill Russell wasnt a flashy basketball player but he is elite because he won.

The problem with the Ravens for so long is we had no one to look to at the end of a game. Our defense would take care of us for 3 quarters but then we would have no one to look too. In crunch time, the Steelers know who to look to. I'd take that over Dan Marino's stats and zero rings.[/quote]
If a guy like Drew Brees had been playing on the Steelers during the Superbowl, there would have been no reason to make a last minute score to win. Drew would have crushed the Cardinal defense, consistently, throughout the entire game.

Ben only threw one touchdown in that game.

Brees would have thrown a lot more tds.

I'd rather have a secure blowout for my team, then a last minute win.

Ben is an exciting player. So is Devin Hester. Does that make Hester better than Tom Brady? No. Big plays are important, but doing well the entire game is more important.

Just so you know, this is my top 10 list of QBs:

1. Tom Brady
2. Drew Brees
3. Peyton Manning
4. Kurt Warner
5. Philip Rivers
6. Aaron Rodgers
7. Donovan McNabb
9. Tony Romo (Tie)
9. Ben Roethlisberger(Tie)
10. Jay Cutler

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[quote name='scotchtape622' post='199374' date='Jun 13 2009, 11:52 AM']If a guy like Drew Brees had been playing on the Steelers during the Superbowl, there would have been no reason to make a last minute score to win. Drew would have crushed the Cardinal defense, consistently, throughout the entire game.

Ben only threw one touchdown in that game.

Brees would have thrown a lot more tds.

I'd rather have a secure blowout for my team, then a last minute win.

Ben is an exciting player. So is Devin Hester. Does that make Hester better than Tom Brady? No. Big plays are important, but doing well the entire game is more important.[/quote]
How can you compare Hester to Brady? Two different positions and you compare that at all.

What is the steelers number one problem? Their offensive line. Their wide recievers arent that great either. But Ben creates extra time for his line because he scrambles and makes his wide recievers better. I dont think Drew Brees would be able to be successful in the Steelers offense because the Steelers offense just isnt that good. The steelers arent going to have a powerhouse offense not because ben isnt good or consistant or anything. His offense around him doesnt help him. Which makes it more impressive that he wins games. I hate the steelers. But i gotta respect them when they beat my team.

[scotchtape622]

lol.

Ward is a very good player, and Holmes is developing into a great player.

Their o-line is bad, but Ben hold the ball too long which will ofter result in a sack (more often than when he gets a big play off)

Brees would be successful in any offense. Did you see the Sports Science episode on him? He throws the ball better than Olympic archers can shoot. Brees also has a quick release, unlike Ben.

Ben isn't a bad player. In fact, he is a very good player. But, he is not a Top 5 QB.

[J-man]

[quote name='scotchtape622' date='13 June 2009 - 12:03 PM' timestamp='1244909012' post='199379']
Ben isn't a bad player. In fact, he is a very good player. But, he is not a Top 5 QB.
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Agreed. #3 is way too high. Ben is always overrated.