99 Player Rankings For '09

[Sub-Zero]

[url="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9666212/Top-99-players-for-%2709:-No.-21-40"]http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9666212...2709:-No.-21-40[/url]

foxsports ranked the top 100 players for 2009. These types of lists are one of the hardest to do but its nice to see us getting some love.

10. Ed Reed
30. Ray Lewis
61. Terrell Suggs
89. Haloti Ngata


I thought Suggs and Ngata would be much higher though

[52Kia Kaha92]

thats a joke that ngats is that low
I also think that from 09 performance Jared Gaither should be on that list but thats just me is suppose

[MKdave]

Ngata shouldda been alot higher, Suggs was about right, so was Lewis, and if I was doing this list, Reed wouldda been number one.
I'd have had D-Mase on that list aswell. You'd be hard pressed to him a more relaible and consistent reciever in the league.

To be honest, I thought that the list as a whole was poor. Dansby was too low, Palmer was too high, Tomlinson's too high, Ryan Clady's much too low, and I could go on and on and on...
But to be fair when you're ranking the top 99 players in the league, there's going to be a huge disparity between individual opinions.

[52Kia Kaha92]

right because you cant really compare a great RG like Chris Snee to a QB like Peyton Manning

Very good point dave

[ChiseBack(CB)]

I haven't seen the list but I can guarantee Ryan Clady is on there, which is a complete joke. Whats the link btw?

EDIT: Found the link [url="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9665338/NFL%27s-top-99-player-rankings-for-%2709"]http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9665338...kings-for-%2709[/url]
Ryan Clady is on there which may not be a complete joke but listing him over guys like Jared Gaither, D'Brickshaw Ferguson, David Stewart and even Willie Colon is just ridiculous.

[ChiseBack(CB)]

Some surprises...

[size=1][quote][b]3. Ben Roethlisberger, QB, Pittsburgh Steelers:[/b] Say what you want about the strength of the Super Bowl champions' defense, but Big Ben is unquestionably the true leader of the Pittsburgh Steelers. With two Super Bowl rings and three AFC championship game starts in just five NFL seasons, he's one of the top three quarterbacks in the league. Win another one and he could be No. 1 on this list next year. Kick and scream all you want about it — Roethlisberger's the real deal.[/quote][/size]Behind only Tom Brady and Peyton Manning and ahead of QB's like Drew Brees and Kurt Warner as well as all other skill positions.
[size=1][quote][b]17. Eli Manning, QB, New York Giants:[/b] Now a year removed from the Super Bowl MVP performance, Eli's critics are all over the 212 again. Manning didn't throw a single touchdown pass to a receiver after the Plaxico Burress suspension last season, and failed to inspire in the wind at Giants Stadium in the postseason. Will rookie Hakeem Nicks become his go-to guy? Fellow rookie Ramses Barden? Lots of question marks for Eli this season.[/quote][/size]Ahead of Warner, McNabb, Palmer, Cutler and others. Honestly I'm not a big fan of Eli, he rides his running game and sits behind one of the best lines in the league. I think he's good but not top 5 at his position. I'm sure other people wont have as many qualms rating him this highly as I do though.
[size=1][quote][b]24. Jordan Gross, OT, Carolina Panthers: [/b]Another Carolina Panther? Yes. I've got Gross listed as the top offensive lineman in the entire league here, and it's not without good reason. Capable of playing either the left or right tackle position, and one of the main reasons DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart had monstrous breakout years in '08, Gross is arguably the most valuable offensive lineman in the NFL. Hell, based on this — he is.[/quote][/size]Has him as the top O-lineman in the league, I though it was funny that he mentioned his ability to play both the Left and Right tackle spots considering he completely blew chunks at LT last season[size=1][quote][b]32. Champ Bailey, CB, Denver Broncos:[/b] For much of the past decade, Champ was the top cornerback in the game. Few would argue that Asomugha has since taken that torch, but Bailey's still one of the top defensive players in this league. It's tough not to be excited to see how he works with Brian Dawkins in Denver's defensive backfield this season. Two of the best defensive backs of all-time, working together on a defense littered with young kids.[/quote][/size]2nd highest CB ahead of guys like Darrell Revis, Corey Webster and Cortland Finnegan. Seems to get ahead on name power alone with a lot of people thinking 2008 was an aberration rather than a sign of decline.[size=1][quote][b]39. Jerod Mayo, LB, New England Patriots:[/b] The second-year linebacker was far and away the top defensive rookie in the league last season. Lightning fast and capable of going sideline to sideline in no time, Mayo — in just his second season — will be the glue to the Patriots defense in '09. He's already right up there in the Beason/Willis conversation.[/quote][/size]Terribly overrated; Mayo is a product of the "young+talented=great player" line of thinking. Mayo is a talented young linebacker in a great scheme but the cold truth is that 2nd round pick Curtis Lofton of the Atlanta Falcons was a better candidate for DROTY than Mayo and yet never had a chance to win it over Mayo's glorified production.

The list is just one full of "the big names" and while it's a relatively safe one it doesn't make it very interesting or accurate.

[Alexir]

This is a joke. They don't even have Clinton Portis or Michael Turner in the top 20. Roethlisberger is not a better QB than Kurt or Drew. He is just great at avoiding sacks.

[#1falconfan]

The ratings are lower for the new madden

[Bltravens]

that is correct they wanted to make more of a disparity between superstar players and average players so there is drop offs in production when an injury occurs or when there are mismatches ie giants line against broncos line. so suggs lewis and reed all being 90+ means that theyre some of the top players at their position in the entire league.

[Sizzle]

Link mannnnnnnn.

[justifythegame]

[quote name='52Kia Kaha92' post='198737' date='Jun 11 2009, 02:23 AM']thats a joke that ngats is that low
I also think that from 09 performance Jared Gaither should be on that list but thats just me is suppose[/quote]
its a joke that suggs is that high and ngata is lower than suggs. it just shows that this is all about hype and not pure talent.

[Sub-Zero]

my bad forgot the link

[Strangebru]

[quote name='Sub-Zero' post='198727' date='Jun 11 2009, 01:14 AM'][url="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9666212/Top-99-players-for-%2709:-No.-21-40"]http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9666212...2709:-No.-21-40[/url]

foxsports ranked the top 100 players for 2009. These types of lists are one of the hardest to do but its nice to see us getting some love.

10. Ed Reed
30. Ray Lewis
61. Terrell Suggs
89. Haloti Ngata


I thought Suggs and Ngata would be much higher though [/quote]
It would have been nice to see at least one offensive Ravens player on that list. I understand it though with Willis running behind Ray Rice in OTA's, last years leading RB making the switch back to FB, the same WR's that are good but never post gaudi numbers, and a second year QB that may or may not have a sophmore slump. If these four things work them selves out positivly the 2010 preseason rankings could be a lot different.

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='Alexir' post='198781' date='Jun 11 2009, 12:03 PM']Roethlisberger is not a better QB than Kurt or Drew. He is just great at avoiding sacks.[/quote]

Big Ben in my opinion is the best Qb for the steelers

he plays alot like terry bradshaw......he is the first Qb since Bradshaw to win us a bowl.....coincidence i think not

in 2004(his rookie year) he went 16-1, only losing the afc champ game
in 2005 he won 4 consective post season games on the road to win the superbowl
in 2006 he had an off year(he had his accident and surgery)
in 2007 he had the second highest Qb Rating
in 2008 he went 12-4 and won the superbowl

You guys know this i know

drew brees and kurt warner have never had 5 years like that in their entire careers........let alone the first 5

and before i hear the "his defense carries him" excuse let me ask you to show me five years like that the steelers have had since Bradshaw

he is the difference

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' post='199074' date='Jun 12 2009, 09:35 AM']Big Ben in my opinion is the best Qb for the steelers

he plays alot like terry bradshaw......he is the first Qb since Bradshaw to win us a bowl.....coincidence i think not

in 2004(his rookie year) he went 16-1, only losing the afc champ game
in 2005 he won 4 consective post season games on the road to win the superbowl
in 2006 he had an off year(he had his accident and surgery)
in 2007 he had the second highest Qb Rating
in 2008 he went 12-4 and won the superbowl

You guys know this i know

drew brees and kurt warner have never had 5 years like that in their entire careers........let alone the first 5

and before i hear the "his defense carries him" excuse let me ask you to show me five years like that the steelers have had since Bradshaw

he is the difference[/quote]

he is clutch, and he works for the steelers... that being said..... if you put him on a team like Denver, or Indianapolis i doubt he'd have as much success, im not gonna say that his defense carries him.... but they sure as hell lighten the load, and you can say the same thing of flacco....

and i don't mean to insult you, or any other steeler..... but i would honestly take phillip rivers over big ben

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='Reddawn36' post='199077' date='Jun 12 2009, 10:02 AM']he is clutch, and he works for the steelers... that being said..... if you put him on a team like Denver, or Indianapolis i doubt he'd have as much success, im not gonna say that his defense carries him.... but they sure as hell lighten the load, and you can say the same thing of flacco....

and i don't mean to insult you, or any other steeler..... but i would honestly take phillip rivers over big ben[/quote]


your not insulting......your allowed your opinion

but i honestly would not trade ben for any other quarterback.....but i agree that on any other team he would not have had the level of success he has had

but i think ben is the best comeback Quarterback in the NFL today

and when you add to that a top 3 defense(at least).......you get a deadly combo

the defense keeps the games close enough for bens 4th Quarter Heroics to put us over the top

[#1 D]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' post='199087' date='Jun 12 2009, 10:21 AM']your not insulting......your allowed your opinion

[b]but i honestly would not trade ben for any other quarterback[/b].....but i agree that on any other team he would not have had the level of success he has had

but i think ben is the best comeback Quarterback in the NFL today

and when you add to that a top 3 defense(at least).......you get a deadly combo

the defense keeps the games close enough for bens 4th Quarter Heroics to put us over the top[/quote]

i think every team with their own franchise quarterback would say so...heck, i say the same for joe even though the dude is still in his second year. i just hate big ben b/c he has to make the game a bit too interesting.

[slugz1]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' post='199087' date='Jun 12 2009, 10:21 AM']your not insulting......your allowed your opinion

but i honestly would not trade ben for any other quarterback.....but i agree that on any other team he would not have had the level of success he has had

but i think ben is the best comeback Quarterback in the NFL today

and when you add to that a top 3 defense(at least).......you get a deadly combo

the defense keeps the games close enough for bens 4th Quarter Heroics to put us over the top[/quote]
take them stealer shades off. Big ben only look good cause cbs think ben is sacked and let they man go then ben break the takle and find a wide open man that is not skill its more like trickery.

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='slugz1' post='199097' date='Jun 12 2009, 10:53 AM']take them stealer shades off. Big ben only look good cause cbs think ben is sacked and let they man go then ben break the takle and find a wide open man that is not skill its more like trickery.[/quote]

its hard for any defense to cover receivers for extended periods of time.........especially if you have receivers like hines ward who are great at catching the ball in coverage

and its a rare thing to have a qb that is able to shake as many tackles as ben is able to do

and he can throw on the run very well

so if you add all those up.....you get the steelers deadly style of play

and if it was just trickery......teams would have stopped it on a consistent basis by now

[Ozzsome]

[quote name='ChiseBack(CB)' post='198754' date='Jun 11 2009, 02:49 PM']Some surprises...

[size=1][/size]Behind only Tom Brady and Peyton Manning and ahead of QB's like Drew Brees and Kurt Warner as well as all other skill positions.
[size=1][/size]Ahead of Warner, McNabb, Palmer, Cutler and others. Honestly I'm not a big fan of Eli, he rides his running game and sits behind one of the best lines in the league. I think he's good but not top 5 at his position. I'm sure other people wont have as many qualms rating him this highly as I do though.
[size=1][/size]Has him as the top O-lineman in the league, I though it was funny that he mentioned his ability to play both the Left and Right tackle spots considering he completely blew chunks at LT last season[size=1][/size]2nd highest CB ahead of guys like Darrell Revis, Corey Webster and Cortland Finnegan. Seems to get ahead on name power alone with a lot of people thinking 2008 was an aberration rather than a sign of decline.[size=1][/size]Terribly overrated; Mayo is a product of the "young+talented=great player" line of thinking. Mayo is a talented young linebacker in a great scheme but the cold truth is that 2nd round pick Curtis Lofton of the Atlanta Falcons was a better candidate for DROTY than Mayo and yet never had a chance to win it over Mayo's glorified production.

The list is just one full of "the big names" and while it's a relatively safe one it doesn't make it very interesting or accurate.[/quote]
I think eli manning is not a good QB, and he will be worse this season as plaxico left the team. the only thing eli can do is throw the ball up in the air to plaxico burress, if he is under pressure he throws the ball somwhere where maybe a player of his team is

[scotchtape622]

Roethlisberger
TDS
17
INT
15
YDS
3,301
RTG
80.1

Eli Manning
TDS
21
INT
10
YDS
3,238
RTG
86.4

Donovan McNabb
TDS
23
INT
11
YDS
3,916
RTG
86.4

Philip Rivers
TDS
34
INT
11
YDS
4,009
RTG
105.5

Tony Romo
TDS
26
INT
14
YDS
3,448
RTG
91.4

Aaron Rodgers
TDS
28
INT
13
YDS
4,038
RTG
93.8

So, Roethlisberger threw more interceptions than everybody on that list (I'll admit that Romo would have probably tied or gotten a bit more if he hadn't been injured). INTs are the worst things a QB can do. On the other hand, TDs are probably the best thing a QB can do. Everyone on that list threw more TDs (and Romo would have thrown more if it weren't for the injuries). The Steelers have been so successful because of their elite defense and their very good running game. Roethlisberger's job is make up for his earlier screw ups in the last two minutes.

I give him credit for being a great clutch player, but with an amazing pair of WRs, a good running game, and an amazing defense, almost any QB can get a Ring.

[McBurks]

It made sense for the first few,but come on Nnamdi should have been higher and Peppers may not even play for the Panthers this season.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='Alexir' post='198781' date='Jun 11 2009, 12:03 PM']This is a joke. They don't even have Clinton Portis or Michael Turner in the top 20. Roethlisberger is not a better QB than Kurt or Drew. [b]He is just great at avoiding sacks.[/b][/quote]
Big Jen was sacked 46 times last year, which was 31st in the NFL (Matt Cassel had 47).
[quote name='scotchtape622' post='199237' date='Jun 12 2009, 09:04 PM']So, Roethlisberger threw more interceptions than everybody on that list (I'll admit that Romo would have probably tied or gotten a bit more if he hadn't been injured). INTs are the worst things a QB can do. On the other hand, TDs are probably the best thing a QB can do. Everyone on that list threw more TDs (and Romo would have thrown more if it weren't for the injuries). The Steelers have been so successful because of their elite defense and their very good running game. Roethlisberger's job is make up for his earlier screw ups in the last two minutes.

I give him credit for being a great clutch player, but with an amazing pair of WRs, a good running game, and an amazing defense, almost any QB can get a Ring.[/quote]
[img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_UXXtCpkeKiA/R8ff7RdiISI/AAAAAAAACSw/ZsGvxy-8wDw/s400/can0worms.jpg[/img]

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='scotchtape622' post='199237' date='Jun 12 2009, 09:04 PM']Roethlisberger threw more interceptions than everybody on that list (I'll admit that Romo would have probably tied or gotten a bit more if he hadn't been injured). INTs are the worst things a QB can do. On the other hand, TDs are probably the best thing a QB can do. Everyone on that list threw more TDs (and Romo would have thrown more if it weren't for the injuries). The Steelers have been so successful because of their elite defense and their very good running game. Roethlisberger's job is make up for his earlier screw ups in the last two minutes.

I give him credit for being a great clutch player, but with an amazing pair of WRs, a good running game, and an amazing defense, almost any QB can get a Ring.[/quote]

Ben also had six comeback wins last year

he has 18 total......which is more than any active quarterback

most of bens skill is in his ability to extend the play.....theres no stat for that

but there is his 50+ wins which is more than any quarterback has ever gotten in their first five years

there is also his 8 playoff wins......only brady had more in his first five seasons with 9

there have been great defenses before.....and those feets were not accomplished untill now

Big Ben is an elite Qb.........easily in the top 5

Brady is the only active Qb with more rings

[Chi_Town_Raven]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' post='199288' date='Jun 12 2009, 11:04 PM']Ben also had six comeback wins last year

he has 18 total......which is more than any active quarterback

most of bens skill is in his ability to extend the play.....theres no stat for that

but there is his 50+ wins which is more than any quarterback has ever gotten in their first five years

there is also his 8 playoff wins......only brady had more in his first five seasons with 9

there have been great defenses before.....and those feets were not accomplished untill now

Big Ben is an elite Qb.........easily in the top 5

[b]Brady is the only active Qb with more rings[/b][/quote]
I could be a 4th string kicker and have 20 rings. Wont make me good.

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='Chi_Town_Raven' post='199292' date='Jun 13 2009, 12:21 AM']I could be a 4th string kicker and have 20 rings. Wont make me good.[/quote]

One ring Can be an accident

Two is a pattern of success

Three is legendary

after ben gets his third ring no one will dare Question his Elite Status

[scotchtape622]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' post='199288' date='Jun 12 2009, 10:04 PM']Ben also had six comeback wins last year

[b]Do you know why he had to comeback? Because he sucked it up in the first three quarters.[/b]

he has 18 total......which is more than any active quarterback

most of bens skill is in his ability to extend the play.....theres no stat for that

[b]Yes, but look at the stats he has. Even by extending the plays he numbers aren't nearly as good as those other QBs[/b]

but there is his 50+ wins which is more than any quarterback has ever gotten in their first five years

[b]Did they win because of him? No. Flacco has more playoff wins than any other rookie QB ever. Was it because of him? No.[/b]

there is also his 8 playoff wins......only brady had more in his first five seasons with 9

[b]And he rode his defense and running game all the way.[/b]

there have been great defenses before.....and those feets were not accomplished untill now

[b]True, but look at the other amazing defenses in the league. The rest of them had HORRIBLE QBs. The best might have been Trent Dilfer! I'm not saying Roethisberger is a horrible QB. Just good enough.[/b]

Big Ben is an elite Qb.........easily in the top 5

[b]Look at those numbers, and tell me that again. Wins are a team effort, but Ben is the only QB on that list that has two Superbowl MVPs to throw to.[/b]

Brady is the only active Qb with more rings[/quote]

[darklight1216]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' post='199074' date='Jun 12 2009, 09:35 AM']Big Ben in my opinion is the best Qb for the steelers

he plays alot like terry bradshaw......he is the first Qb since Bradshaw to win us a bowl.....coincidence i think not

in 2004(his rookie year) he went 16-1, only losing the afc champ game
in 2005 he won 4 consective post season games on the road to win the superbowl
in 2006 he had an off year(he had his accident and surgery)
in 2007 he had the second highest Qb Rating
in 2008 he went 12-4 and won the superbowl

You guys know this i know

drew brees and kurt warner have never had 5 years like that in their entire careers........let alone the first 5

[b]and before i hear the "his defense carries him"[/b] excuse let me ask you to show me five years like that the steelers have had since Bradshaw

he is the difference[/quote]
Here I was thinking that the Ravens had beaten the Steelers in BR's (aren't those ironic initials?) first game after that guy (Tommy Madox or whatever) was injured. Shows how much I care about keeping up with the Steelers. No offense, Prophet.

He did not have the same career as Ben R. of course, but Kurt Warner took the perennially losing Cardinals to their first Superbowl appearance and he helped them win 3 out of only 5 playoff wins that the 88 year old franchise has ever seen. (The Cardinals won the 1947 NFL championship game and added a wildcard win over the Cowboys in 1998; that is around one playoff victory per half century. Warner won three in one year with this team.)
Furthermore, he got to the Superbowl last year with a team that had a very bad defense (you probably know the exact ranking without looking, but I don't and I'm too lazy to Google it right now).
Before Warner, the Rams had reached just one Super Bowl in their history, but Kurt Warner led the franchise to its only Super Bowl victory and to its first NFL title since 1951. The Rams have fallen off the face of the earth since he left.
Unlike you, Prophet, I'm pretty bad at gathering statistical information, but I'm going to take a whack at it:

Kurt Warner is third in NFL history with a 93.8 career passer rating. Interestingly, in his worst statistical game, his passer rating was 56.2
Warner's teams are 8-3 in the postseason. In Nfl history, only Tom Brady (14-3; .824) and Bart Starr (9-1; .900) boast better postseason records than Warner.
He's also a two-time MVP, a Super Bowl champion and a Super Bowl MVP.
He is on the short list of quarterbacks who have started three Super Bowls, and he

[SteelersProphet]

All good points

but for an example lets look at the final drive in the superbowl

that drive was as much bens doing as it was holmes's

and if your hung up on stats......pull up all those quarterbacks stats from 2007, see how ben ranked that year

[darklight1216]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' post='199298' date='Jun 13 2009, 12:38 AM']All good points

but for an example lets look at the final drive in the superbowl

that drive was as much bens doing as it was holmes's

and if your hung up on stats......pull up all those quarterbacks stats from 2007, see how ben ranked that year[/quote]
O.o What?

Edit: Oh I see, you were talking to someone else lol.