I'm Tired Of...

[DTenGil]

here are the things I'm tired of people crying about (listed in no particular order):

[b]Why didn't we bring in a big name WR:[/b] first off, with what money? Ok, we could have traded for Boldin's contract, but we wouldn't have been able to sign him to an extension. that would have been a total waste. With a healthy D Williams and with an improved M Smith with 1 year under his belt, I honestly think the receivers we have can get the job done.

[b]OMG, moving McClain to FB, how are we ever going to run the ball:[/b] This is just ridiculous. You could take a decent back out of high school, plop him behind Lorenzo Neal, and watch him have just as good of a season. ok well maybe not HS, but you get the idea. I guarantee McGahee would have done just as well last year behind Neal, if not better.

[b]Why don't we trade McGahee[/b] this get's me for two reasons. the first being, McGahee is still a great back who just had a bad year. He's still got a couple of years left in the tank. we traded him so we could get away from Lewis' bruiser style. remember the last year he was here, he couldnt do **** (btw, w/o Neal, McClain would have had the same frustrations). seriously, give the guy a friggin break. second, people say we need to get rid of him b/c of his high contract. if they did an ounce or research or read the countless threads here, they'd learn it would cost us more to get rid of him then if we just kept him. a back of his caliber, thanks ill keep him.

[b]What are we ever going to do w/o Bart Scott and Jim Leonard[/b] this is one of my favorites lol. People, Scott was a product of the system. He left to join a long list of backs that left the Ravens seeking a big contract only to see their careers die (see Adalius Thomas, Ed Hartwell, ...). Yes, he was great at what he did, but with the type of players the Ravens have on their roster, anyone can be groomed into his position. Remember he was a nobody special teamer who was tough and worked his ****** off to become the backer he is. Honestly, all he was good for was stuffing the run. He'd crash the hole and allow for Ray to hunt down the ball. McClain will be just as good if not better (Gooden may get the nod this year, but he's Ray's replacement and McClain will eventually fill Scott's role). Leonard, how quickly people forget Landry. Honestly, Leonard wasn't really a SS imo. he played more like a FS. Landry is a much better fit for the position. Now, that being said, Leonard was a great playmaker, whose biggest contribution to the team was prolly his return ability and nose for the loose ball. Will Carr, Rice, Zibby, whoever get the job done? we'll just have to wait and see (note, Figurs won't be on the team come season opener).

[b]people complaining about keeping Heap leashed to the line and no spread offense[/b] Flacco had the great year he did for us b/c of all the protection he got (see Boller and how shy he became in the pocket). I'm interested to see how he does this year out from under Cameron's protective skirt.



i know im forgetting one issue, but i can't remember it and the post is long enough already. so, what's been grinding all your gears this off season?

[Bosanac]

you spelled 'the' wrong. 4 times.

[RoflDogs]

After you clean that up, the mods should sticky this and write for the title

"New Posters READ THIS FIRST"

I was so sick and tired of the Boldin talks ALL THROUGHOUT THE YEAR

It drove me crazy

[theFRANCHISE]

Well, it's the offseason and there's very little to talk about, so of course you'll see many repeat threads about the same topics. It's to be expected, especially with a glut of new members/fans that's accompanied the team's success.

With that said, sure, you and a lot of people might be frustrated, but just chill. You're frustrated, but these threads are also created because all of us are frustrated that there isn't any football until preseason in two months, and no meaningful games played until September.

Now that I've said my piece, what's really grinded my gears this offseason (in keeping with the spirit of this topic) is people who want to pursue every single free agent whose name pops up on the market.

I understand that this is mainly because fans are impatient and want to see radical changes to the roster so as to create excitement during these slow months, but there's no need for a championship-worthy team to make a big splash. How often have you seen the Colts sign a big free agent? How about the Steelers? The Patriots have only done so in recent years, but they've slowed down a bit with that.

Great teams build through the draft (NOT free agency), and it frustrates me that the average fan still doesn't recognize that.

Also, I'm annoyed by people who constantly want to take chances on low-character players. I've said it time-and-again: as much as talent counts on the field, being able to STAY on the field is just as important. Why take a chance on someone who won't even see playing time if they keep getting suspended?

[PurpleReign#1D]

I'm tired of....

1... people acting like leonard was r #1safety... hello Landry is back

2... bart scott leaving has me half as concearnned as i was when we let A.Thomas go... n we overcame that loss ??? didnt we ??

3... mcclain is not the running back everyone thinks he is

4... not draftin a WR was not a mistake... if flacco cant stand up, how can he throw the ball, jerry rice would have poor numbers in our system if flacco was on his back the whole time... so congratulations ozzie, Oher was briliant

[TSizzle00]

the ones about leonard crack me up, he was a 1 year back up!!

[TSizzle00]

[quote name='PurpleReign#1D' post='198057' date='Jun 7 2009, 06:28 PM']3... mcclain is not the running back everyone thinks he is

4... not draftin a WR was not a mistake... if flacco cant stand up, how can he throw the ball, jerry rice would have poor numbers in our system if flacco was on his back the whole time... so congratulations ozzie, Oher was briliant[/quote]

Mcclain is did pretty well for a FB running the ball though, I dont think he is an every down back tho.

[Alexir]

If willis ran behind Neal he would have had some sick numbers.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Bosanac' post='198043' date='Jun 7 2009, 03:24 PM']you spelled 'the' wrong. 4 times.[/quote]

lmao

[SaVaGe]

[quote name='Alexir' post='198064' date='Jun 7 2009, 06:52 PM']If willis ran behind Neal he would have had some sick numbers.[/quote]

Imagine if we still had Jamal Lewis! That 2000+ yard season could have been set to 2500 or more.

[kze]

Wow, I don't know what to say except "Good job, sir. You have humbled us with your presence." [img]http://smiliesftw.com/x/bowcool_1.gif[/img]

[DTenGil]

[quote name='SaVaGe' post='198067' date='Jun 7 2009, 07:28 PM']Imagine if we still had Jamal Lewis! That 2000+ yard season could have been set to 2500 or more.[/quote]
well Lewis was an every down bruiser back. I'm sure he'd have done better than McClain, but u forget we got rid of him for a reason. Watching the games last year, every game I'd hope they'd let McGahee run behind Neal, but they never did. They'd only let him run behind McClian (if they let him run behind a FB as all). Watching McGahee behind McClain, i wonder if McClain can even get the job done (i know we drafted him as a great blocking FB, but honestly, i havent seen it)

[wolfzie06]

I'm tired of:

1) People being frustrated with Ozzie at the start of free agency for not signing Scott or Leonheard, and then at the draft for taking Oher. Pretty much every move he has made has turned out to be huge. Birk for Brown, Foxworth for #2 CB spot, Carr for nickel/dime/kr/pr, Oher for Anderson, L.J. for Wilcox....etc., etc.

2) People thinking we needed a fullback, when we have McClain who is a natural fullback. He will still get his carries, but with Rice and McGahee, we should really focus on McClain, who is 6 foot 260, pounding linebackers into submission. If McGahee starts to get hurt often or isn't cutting it, then you worry about getting a FB in here and making McClain a RB.

3) People who thought that for one second we would look at Plaxico Burress. Ozzie pretty much eluded in previous years he was red-flagged on our draft board and there was no way we would take him. After his recent mess-up? No way.

4) People who make lists of things that annoy them

[neepo13]

You know by making threads complaining about what people are complaining about, you are only making the problem worse. They are not going to stop feeling the way they feel, just because you are tired of reading it.

[slugz1]

[quote name='neepo13' post='198090' date='Jun 7 2009, 11:21 PM']You know by making threads complaining about what people are complaining about, you are only making the problem worse. They are not going to stop feeling the way they feel, just because you are tired of reading it.[/quote]
right right

[ZIBBY28]

the ones who say suggs isnt that great, and isnt as valuable as what everyone makes him seem... drives me crazy

[Alexir]

[quote name='ZIBBY28' post='198101' date='Jun 8 2009, 02:04 AM']the ones who say suggs isnt that great, and isnt as valuable as what everyone makes him seem... drives me crazy[/quote]

I think Suggs is very valuable but shouldn't be getting DL money like he is Julius Peppers or something.

[Bltravens]

I agree with zibby, two things have driven me nuts this offseason, people saying trade suggs, not pay him and find another suggs in the draft. Suggs is 26 in his prime and is exactly the kind of player you look for in the draft, so if u already have him on your team why not keep him...hes THE premier 3-4 hybrid OLB. Also someone else mentioned this as much as i loved watching leonhard play his heart out, landry is a better SS so losing leonhard sucks but we didnt lose a starter.

[Alexir]

[quote name='Bltravens' post='198103' date='Jun 8 2009, 02:09 AM']I agree with zibby, two things have driven me nuts this offseason, people saying trade suggs, not pay him and find another suggs in the draft. Suggs is 26 in his prime and is exactly the kind of player you look for in the draft, so if u already have him on your team why not keep him...hes THE premier 3-4 hybrid OLB. Also someone else mentioned this as much as i loved watching leonhard play his heart out, landry is a better SS so losing leonhard sucks but we didnt lose a starter.[/quote]

I would put Ware ahead of him but thats about it.

[ZIBBY28]

[quote name='Alexir' post='198102' date='Jun 8 2009, 02:09 AM']I think Suggs is very valuable but shouldn't be getting DL money like he is Julius Peppers or something.[/quote]
thats where we disagree... i think an elite "hybrid" OLB is harder to come by than a DLman in a 4-3... suggs fits our system perfectly, and especially with teams around the NFL adopting 3-4 systems, his stock will only go up, making him harder and harder to sign

and on a side note, haynesworth's deal is ridiculous.. there is no way the skins let him play out that contract. he'll be cut after 4 or 5 years and thus end up losing something like 35 mil from that 100mil contract.. just because there is that little piece of paper saying they have to pay him 100 mil over 7 years doesnt mean they have to keep him around and pay him every penny... ray lewis just signed a 7 year contract and if anyone thinks he'll be playing LB in the NFL at the age of 41, they're crazy.. he'll most likely end up playing 3 years and making about half of the 44 mil he signed for... thats just the way the NFL works

i know money is tight throughout the organization this year, but signing suggs long term would actually clear cap space by avoiding the franchise tag.. i wouldnt mind seeing suggs signed for 65-75 mil over 6-7 years, especially if the NFL goes uncapped for a year or two, we wont be able to get into a bidding war with the dan snyders' and jerry jones' around the league.. i dont think ANY player is worth $100mil, but i firmly believe suggs is worth top DE money, but again... this is just my humble opinion

[ZIBBY28]

[quote name='Alexir' post='198105' date='Jun 8 2009, 02:17 AM']I would put Ware ahead of him but thats about it.[/quote]

i think suggs and ware are in their own tier.. can you imagine them both on the same roster lol?

[b-morebrotha]

I don't believe that Bart Scott will go the way of sharper, Hartwell, or Thomas. All because he is in the same system as where he came from. But I do think it will take at least a season to recover. I mean Bart was Pro bowl worthy and putting out pro bowl production and Gooden most likely won't get to that level until after a year or so.

As far as Jim goes, Yeah thats addition by subtraction. We gained another roster spot to give to a corner or whatever. I wish them both well though

[jfc13]

[quote name='neepo13' post='198090' date='Jun 7 2009, 11:21 PM']You know by making threads complaining about what people are complaining about, you are only making the problem worse. They are not going to stop feeling the way they feel, just because you are tired of reading it.[/quote]
Exactly.

My pet peeves:

1. One poster telling another poster that they can't/shouldn't bring up a topic because it has already been discussed and the first poster is tired of it.

2. One poster declaring a thread "closed" or "finished" or whatever, just because their point of view has been expressed... as in... "And with that, this thread is finished." I'm am amused, however, at the plethora of replies I read after that, ignoring that sentiment.

[Ed_Reed20]

These complaints will all go away once the season starts.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='jfc13' post='198126' date='Jun 8 2009, 09:23 AM']One poster declaring a thread "closed" or "finished" or whatever, just because their point of view has been expressed... as in... "And with that, this thread is finished." I'm am amused, however, at the plethora of replies I read after that, ignoring that sentiment.[/quote]Those posts always make me LMAO...

...except for that one time where the thread really WAS finished because I dropped bombs on the OP (we won't name names) and then it started a firestorm of posts similar to mine that COMPLETELY demolished the point he was making, and he resorted to name-calling. I usually never bait people, but that set him off and he kept coming back PISSED 'cause he kept being proven wrong.

We won't discuss that any further.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='jfc13' post='198126' date='Jun 8 2009, 09:23 AM']Exactly.

My pet peeves:

1. One poster telling another poster that they can't/shouldn't bring up a topic because it has already been discussed and the first poster is tired of it.[/quote]
You don't remember the Boldin days, do you?

[JEEPercreepermd]

1. Expectations for Joe Flacco set WAY too high- I have seen al ot of posts and talked to a lot of people saying that they think Flacco is going to throw for 4,000 yds 30tds ect... Last year he was pretty impressive as a rookie. But let's not get ahead of ourselvs. He's still young and he still has a lot of learning to do. I think Joe will have a better season, but let's do all that we can do as fans to keep the pressure off of him. We don't want him to be Kyle Boller 2.0

2. Talking heads on ESPN and NFL network saying that the Ravens defense won't be good because we lost Rex, Bart, and C MAC. What they DON'T talk about is that we still have Ray,Suggs,Haloti,Pryce,Fabian,Reed,Bannan,Johnson,Rolle, we signed Foxworth, and we will get both Buddy Lee and Landry back from injury both at %100. for a defense in the NFL to only lose one starter is pretty good. Technicly they lost 2 but Mcalister didn't play most of last season and Washington was superb filling in that spot.

3. The WR situation...both sides. Here's the facts. Do we need better play at WR to put this offense to the next level? yes. Are the Ravens going to sign a high profile free agent? no. Can the Ravens win football games with the guys they have? as evidenced by two of the last three seasons...yes. Heap will have a bigger part in the passing game this year and we also got Smith from the Eagles who is a good receiving TE. If Snypnewski can stay healthy Cam would have him to use as a blocker instead of heap. The point here being, let's have some faith in our guys and hopefully either someone steps up or next year Ozzie will make a move.

All in all though, I'm very exited about our team. I think we have a great head coach, offensive coodinator, and I think Mattison will be a great DC. We have one of the best owners in the NFL, a great stadium, let's just hope for some great football and if we win anything hey i'll take that too!!!!

[jfc13]

[quote name='darklight1216' post='198151' date='Jun 8 2009, 01:28 PM']You don't remember the Boldin days, do you?[/quote]
Yes, I just exercised my option to not read threads that didn't interest me or would annoy me. Quite easy to do, actually, just roll your eyes and move on. It's just that simple. It isn't one poster's duty to tell another poster that their subject material is tiresome to them and that, therefore, they shouldn't post it. If it is truly a problem, it should be reported to a mod.

[nextgen_RavensFan]

I am not sure why people say leonard was just a first year guy. Yes he was but always being around the ball and that is great instincts. As much as Reed throws his body around what would it have hurt to keep leanord as the back up ?

[darklight1216]

[quote name='jfc13' post='198170' date='Jun 8 2009, 03:15 PM']Yes, I just exercised my option to not read threads that didn't interest me or would annoy me. Quite easy to do, actually, just roll your eyes and move on. It's just that simple. It isn't one poster's duty to tell another poster that their subject material is tiresome to them and that, therefore, they shouldn't post it. If it is truly a problem, it should be reported to a mod.[/quote]
It wasn't always as simple as rolling your eyes and moving on. There were times when people would try to start a thread on any subject, say for example "John Harbaugh," and then someone would start going on about how much he and Ozzie needed to work on getting Boldin. That is not cool and I agree with everyone who told people to "let it go already!"

I don't want to hi-jack this thread, though so I'll get back to the topic at hand. Personally I don't think that Scott or Leonhard were entirely products of the system. Both of them had genuine talent and showed good instincts (imo especially J.Leo) but we have lost many more players who were better than these guys and been just fine. We won a Superbowl without either of them and we will do it again.