Does Anyone Else Agree ?

[nextgen_RavensFan]

First, let me say that i am a HUGE ravens fan and by no means do i want to imply i dislike them in any way. With that said heres my biggest gripe. Our defense has always been a very solid unit and worked very well together even though we had many pro bowlers and none were just out for them selves. It seems different this year. Rookies holding out which is beyond me. Suggs is holding out yet again which just drives me nuts. Without the rest of the defense he would not be in the same position he has been placed in. I mentioned singletary because if you are not on the team and putting them ahead of your own needs you would be sitting on the bench. Suggs holding out again just shows who he is thinking of first. We have many replacements that given the same chance would be as good or hopefully better. I admit when he sacked Big Ben with one good arm i almost crapped myself and he has the strength to be a very powerful force but without ngata taking up 2 players etc etc he would not be making those plays. I would not be tolerant of guys who put money before his team mates. Everyone here knows that we have a great depth of talented defensive players that would jump at the chance to be on the field with Ray, Samari and Ed. If he could have gotten a better deal he would have jumped at it. I would have let him go and test the market and then come back and accept what we have on the table or just do not play at all. I believe in the TEAM concept fully and i feel it is an insult when a member of our team shows selfishness when others are actually struggling to make a spot on the team.

I just had to ven guys. He should have signed and been in on someof the OTA's even of just to show the younger guys just how important it is to be united.

Dont roast for this post friends. I just dont see a guy with no experience holding out because right now his worth is or should be zero because he has zero experience and Suggs just doesnt seem to be in it for the teams benefit and would just let him walk. Mason led the teams offense he he has been ignored but suggs wants all the cash and is not the best defensive player we have, sounds kind of backwards to me.

[Sizzle]

First of all suggs is the best Defensive player we have which is why we franchised him. Also the reason we franchised him is because he would have gotten a big offer in FA, if you argue otherwise then you are arguing with one of the best GMs in the league who franchised suggs in the first place. Understand this is a busness. He is one of the best and should be paid as such. This is not about "the team" its about "the team" signing suggs to market value so he can be a raven for years to come.

[Beninato]

So, Suggs is sitting out because he is smart. Why would he practice and risk an injury and lose millions of dollars? It's a business move and everyone in his position does it.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='Beninato' post='197471' date='Jun 4 2009, 08:17 PM']So, Suggs is sitting out because he is smart. Why would he practice and risk an injury and lose millions of dollars? It's a business move and everyone in his position does it.[/quote]Exactly. And at the end of the day, even though this is a team sport and everyone wants to be about the team, the team won't be there to take care of you financially if you get hurt and can't play anymore. Sure, Suggs and most of these NFL players are already making enough money to be set for life, but it's about making an amount commensurate to your production at your job.

[neepo13]

I dont think you fully understand what a hold out it is. Its not a hold out until its mandatory and they dont show up. Nevermind Suggs situation but you dissed our rookies. What one of our rookies is holding out? As far as I can tell ALL of them have shown up for every workout. Are you angry because only one has actually signed a contract? This is a big step for these young men, they need to make sure the deal they sign is fair and right for their situation. What do you want them to sign their name to anything Ozzie slaps in front of them? That would not be wise on their part and if you were in a similar situation you wouldnt just sign your name to a deal without making sure that its fair and you understand every part of it. If you dont think Ozzie would try to take advantage of any of those guys you are sadly mistaken.

For Suggs, its a none issue. I guess you forgot that one of our pro bowlers was Chris McCalister, who did the exact same thing that Suggs is doing right now.

[RoflDogs]

Rookies holding out?

Dude, it's June, I would worry if it was August...

[Ravensfan23]

The NFL is a business and sometimes things get ugly when that business side shows up.

You can hate Suggs for not showing up all you want but the bottomline is that if he comes into Mini Camp and is hurt just like Kelly Gregg last season, and he can't play this year. Ozzie and Steve won't then turn around and pay him a full salary for being such a team player.

I personally can't take either side of that business equation because i don't know what it's like to be paid millions and i don't know what its like to pay a guy millions. However i will say that if you blame and trash Suggs for "holding out" then u must do the same to the Organization because they are just as slefish.

The Ravens will do what's best for the team and Suggs will do what's best for his family. We as fans don't have to like it, we don't have to agree, but that is how it is.

Suggs getting paid or the lack thereof doesn't put money in my pocket or food on the table for my kids, so his situation really doesn't bother me as much as most here.

[baltiMORE RAVENS]

This must be your first time following the Ravens in the offseason, because draftpicks usually don't get signed until July right around training camp. No rookies are holding out right now, so relax. Contract negotiations literally just started with Oher; you can't expect deals to get done in one day.

Oh and by the way, only one 1st rounder has been signed so far and that is Matt Stafford. Don't think that the ravens are behind, this is just the way it works.

[rastaman831226]

[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' post='197461' date='Jun 4 2009, 07:48 PM']First, let me say that i am a HUGE ravens fan and by no means do i want to imply i dislike them in any way. With that said heres my biggest gripe. Our defense has always been a very solid unit and worked very well together even though we had many pro bowlers and none were just out for them selves. It seems different this year. Rookies holding out which is beyond me. Suggs is holding out yet again which just drives me nuts. Without the rest of the defense he would not be in the same position he has been placed in. I mentioned singletary because if you are not on the team and putting them ahead of your own needs you would be sitting on the bench. Suggs holding out again just shows who he is thinking of first. We have many replacements that given the same chance would be as good or hopefully better. I admit when he sacked Big Ben with one good arm i almost crapped myself and he has the strength to be a very powerful force but without ngata taking up 2 players etc etc he would not be making those plays. I would not be tolerant of guys who put money before his team mates. Everyone here knows that we have a great depth of talented defensive players that would jump at the chance to be on the field with Ray, Samari and Ed. If he could have gotten a better deal he would have jumped at it. I would have let him go and test the market and then come back and accept what we have on the table or just do not play at all. I believe in the TEAM concept fully and i feel it is an insult when a member of our team shows selfishness when others are actually struggling to make a spot on the team.

I just had to ven guys. He should have signed and been in on someof the OTA's even of just to show the younger guys just how important it is to be united.

Dont roast for this post friends. I just dont see a guy with no experience holding out because right now his worth is or should be zero because he has zero experience and Suggs just doesnt seem to be in it for the teams benefit and would just let him walk. Mason led the teams offense he he has been ignored but suggs wants all the cash and is not the best defensive player we have, sounds kind of backwards to me.[/quote]

Excellent post and I agree 100%. The franchise tender is on the table, the long term contract is on the table, the ball is in Terrell Suggs' court. And there're no more excuses left for him if he really wants to be a Baltimore Raven. This is an all too obvious prima donna move on his part ( he's done this before) and to say otherwise only means you're deluding yourself. I'm convinced that Suggs intends to sign his franchise tender late into camp, play subpar football fpr 4-5 games until he's in shape then leave Ozzie, the FO, the City Of Baltimore and its' Ravens fans, high and dry at the end of the season.

[rastaman831226]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' post='197477' date='Jun 4 2009, 08:39 PM']Exactly. And at the end of the day, even though this is a team sport and everyone wants to be about the team, the team won't be there to take care of you financially if you get hurt and can't play anymore. Sure, Suggs and most of these NFL players are already making enough money to be set for life, but it's about making an amount commensurate to your production at your job.[/quote]


You can't have it both ways Franchise. You bristle at the thought of NFL players' huge egos and self importance, yet you show so much love for an obvious Prima Donna like Suggs. Consistency would be appreciated.

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='rastaman831226' post='197585' date='Jun 5 2009, 08:39 AM']You can't have it both ways Franchise. You bristle at the thought of NFL players' huge egos and self importance, yet you show so much love for an obvious Prima Donna like Suggs. Consistency would be appreciated.[/quote]

sounds like to me what he said above, is how it is lol, not really our opinion, but more of what we hear over the tube on a countless basis, he may feel differently about it, but for all we know, what he just said is how it is

[DTenGil]

wasn't Drew the first rookie to sign in the AFC? wasn't that only yesterday. every other rookie must be holding out. LOL

[Beninato]

I just realized he's also talking about rookies holding out. I got so worked up about him bashing T.Sizzle for being a smart, businessman I didn't even see that. All of our rookies are attending these camps, which ones are holding out?