Brandon Marshall Holdout In Denver

[lowrider]

[quote name='52Kia Kaha92' post='199457' date='Jun 13 2009, 07:34 PM']ozzie would actually rather trade a 1st and d-will than a 2nd, 3rd and d-will for Marshall
Ozzie loves picks

Anyway i would trade a 1st for him but i also think this is a fair deal

Brandon Marshall for Todd Heap, Justin Bannan and a 2nd round pick
Tony Scheffler wants out of Denver and they need a safty blanket tight end
They have no front 3 lineman so Bannan would be great there for them and they get a 2nd round pick

We keep our first round pick and can draft a Sergio kindle, Jermain gresham or Terrance Cody next year and we still get Marshall

People might think "its stupid to trade Bannan when he did well last year. well we get Edwards back, we get Buddy lee back and we have a guy named Lamar Divens who is a monster that no one knows about. We stillhave LJ Smith aswell as Davon Drew and Edgar Jones at TE so we ahve great depth

Imagine Flacco throwing to Marshall for the next 8 years!!!!![/quote]
One problem. Heap has little to no trade value.

[52Kia Kaha92]

[quote name='Tyler' post='199456' date='Jun 13 2009, 07:32 PM']Young, Athletic, yes. Why do we want to trade him? b/c If he is not going to sign. (turned down all of our offers) then we should get something for him instead of just letting him hit free agency. thats why we are quick to trade him[/quote]


agreed, i love terrell suggs but if turns down Jared Allen money which apparently he has we should atleast get some picks or players for him. Now if there is no cap next year (2010 season) we could trade suggs after this year for a 1st and 3rd rounder. Sign Shawne Merriman in FA and draft a Terrance Cody with the suggs trade pick

Washington - Reed - Landry - Foxworth
Merriman - Gooden - Lewis - McClain
Ngata - Cody - Kruger

Then we have a killer young defense as Merriman will get sacks. Dont get me wrong i love suggs and people say well suggs is a great all around player. Well isnt run stopping what Ngata is payed for. If we get another big NT no one will run on us and suggs is great in coverage well we have reed back there and great man to man corners aswell as inside linebackers in coverage. What if its 3rd and 10 with the game on the line and we need to get pressure to the quarteback. Who would you rather have chasin Big Jen?? Suggs or Merriman. Suggs might get there but we all know you HAVE to dobule Merriman or hell get to the quarterback.

I love Suggs but he is a 3-4 OLB whos job is to get sacks and creat havoc. Id rather have the freakish passrusher as having a great pass rush makes your pass defense better and we have great run defenders as it it.

I hope we can resign suggs but if he wants more then 35 mil which he does i say we just trade him and strengthen up other areas.

[Yatagarasu]

I don't know, but Marshall is still nursing his hip injury and has to learn a new playbook.

Is he worth a trade and the big contract?

I do like his physical personality and presence.

[52Kia Kaha92]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' post='199461' date='Jun 13 2009, 07:44 PM']I don't know, but Marshall is still nursing his hip injury and has to learn a new playbook.

[b]Is he worth a trade and the big contract?[/b]

I do like his physical personality and presence.[/quote]

YES!!!!!

a 25 monste who Nnamdi Asomugha said is the toughets guy to bring down in the NFL

Id take him over every other WR in the league except for Fitzgerald and Calvin johnson

[McBurks]

I'd rather give Marshall a big contract for 7-years,rather than Boldin,because in 7 years Marshall will be 32 and boldin will be 36.You do the match.

[Yatagarasu]

[quote name='Simba' post='199464' date='Jun 13 2009, 04:55 PM']I'd rather give Marshall a big contract for 7-years,rather than Boldin,because in 7 years Marshall will be 32 and boldin will be 36.You do the [b]match[/b].[/quote]

Yep...

I wonder how Brandon Marshall back then in 2006 draft fell off our radar. Ozzie did had a good overall draft that year. I wonder if Ozzie did not want him back then, then there is a reason why he doesn't want him now. Marshall even with all his skills and abilities looks like trouble because even though he produced, he also brought extra baggage with fines, arrests, and suspensions. He is very tricky because he's a great athlete, but you have to weigh in the risk. I hope Ozzie makes the right choice.

[neepo13]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='196712' date='Jun 2 2009, 01:00 AM']This may be true, but I have never, ever understood that philosophy.

[b]I mean honestly, what is the thought process there? "Hey, the Ravens are offering us a great package, but they play us once this season and then not again for another four years so we absolutely MUST send him to the NFC!!!!@@!!"[/b][/quote]

Thats not how it works. We play them every 3 years and we could very easily end up playing them every year if we consistantly end the season ranked the same in our divisions, ie. Patriots/ Colts. Then there is the fact that there is more of a chance that they would have to face him in the playoffs. If they send him to the NFC they will absolutly only play him once every four years and would only have to worry about seeing him the Superbowl. Thats a huge difference. No one wants to see a guy that they got rid of beat them constantly, they will never hear the end of it.

[neepo13]

[quote name='52Kia Kaha92' post='199460' date='Jun 13 2009, 07:42 PM'][b]agreed, i love terrell suggs but if turns down Jared Allen money which apparently he has we should atleast get some picks or players for him. Now if there is no cap next year (2010 season) we could trade suggs after this year for a 1st and 3rd rounder. Sign Shawne Merriman in FA and draft a Terrance Cody with the suggs trade pick[/b][/quote]

Do you have a source that says Suggs turned down Jared Allen money? And honestly if you are thinking of getting Merriman, you might as well keep Suggs. Merriman isnt going to take Jared Allen money either, especially if he returns to his preinjury form and if he doesnt well its a waste. Suggs will be a hell of a lot cheaper and better value for the money then Merriman. Merriman is going to be going for a Haynesworth type deal just like Suggs probably is but unlike Suggs, someone will actually be stupid enough to give it to Merriman if he dominates once again.

[RavensIQ]

It amazes me at some of the the stuff you guys can come up with

Half of these Ideas are ridiculous and the other half are absurd.

Seriously you guys are tripping.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='52Kia Kaha92' post='199460' date='Jun 13 2009, 06:42 PM']agreed, i love terrell suggs but if turns down Jared Allen money which apparently he has we should atleast get some picks or players for him. Now if there is no cap next year (2010 season) we could trade suggs after this year for a 1st and 3rd rounder. Sign Shawne Merriman in FA and draft a Terrance Cody with the suggs trade pick

Washington - Reed - Landry - Foxworth
Merriman - Gooden - Lewis - McClain
Ngata - Cody - Kruger

Then we have a killer young defense as Merriman will get sacks. Dont get me wrong i love suggs and people say well suggs is a great all around player. Well isnt run stopping what Ngata is payed for. If we get another big NT no one will run on us and suggs is great in coverage well we have reed back there and great man to man corners aswell as inside linebackers in coverage. What if its 3rd and 10 with the game on the line and we need to get pressure to the quarteback. Who would you rather have chasin Big Jen?? Suggs or Merriman. Suggs might get there but we all know you HAVE to dobule Merriman or hell get to the quarterback.

I love Suggs but he is a 3-4 OLB whos job is to get sacks and creat havoc. Id rather have the freakish passrusher as having a great pass rush makes your pass defense better and we have great run defenders as it it.

I hope we can resign suggs but if he wants more then 35 mil which he does i say we just trade him and strengthen up other areas.[/quote]


So by trading Suggs you hope to bank straight up on landing a guy in FA who either A)has another 10+ sack year and gets a massive contract bigger than Suggs' or doesnt command more than Suggs because his knee is still messed up. That leaves our linebacking corps from the best in the league a year ago to McCain and either a not as effective Merriman (which would mean hed be worse than Suggs because if Merriman cant rush like he did before his knee he's not close to the player Suggs is)or Barnes on the outside and in the middle Gooden and a 35 year old Lewis. That linebacking corps went from legit to real unproven awefully damn quick.

[52Kia Kaha92]

[quote name='neepo13' post='199473' date='Jun 13 2009, 07:25 PM']Do you have a source that says Suggs turned down Jared Allen money? And honestly if you are thinking of getting Merriman, you might as well keep Suggs. Merriman isnt going to take Jared Allen money either, especially if he returns to his preinjury form and if he doesnt well its a waste. Suggs will be a hell of a lot cheaper and better value for the money then Merriman. Merriman is going to be going for a Haynesworth type deal just like Suggs probably is but unlike Suggs, someone will actually be stupid enough to give it to Merriman if he dominates once again.[/quote]

Aaron wilson reported it and i have posted a link a while ago that had the article wilson wrote

[52Kia Kaha92]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='199480' date='Jun 13 2009, 07:55 PM']It amazes me at some of the the stuff you guys can come up with

Half of these Ideas are ridiculous and the other half are absurd.

Seriously you guys are tripping.[/quote]

Coming from you IQ i take that with a grain of salt my friend lol

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='52Kia Kaha92' post='199491' date='Jun 13 2009, 10:07 PM']Coming from you IQ i take that with a grain of salt my friend lol [/quote]


Hey, at least i abide by logic and common sense.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

Marshall is a clown. He's a talented receiver, but lets off field immaturies distract him too often. Much like one, Chad Ochocinco.

[lowrider]

[quote name='Ed_Reed_Pick_Six' post='199566' date='Jun 14 2009, 10:26 AM']Marshall is a clown. He's a talented receiver, but lets off field immaturies distract him too often. Much like one, Chad Ochocinco.[/quote]
Not that extreme. Chad and TO are in a league of their own.

[52Kia Kaha92]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='199558' date='Jun 14 2009, 07:52 AM']Hey, at least i abide by logic and common sense.[/quote]

i am going to pretend you didnt say that

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

[quote name='20ravens52' post='196572' date='Jun 2 2009, 09:13 AM']Marshall's Nickname is the Beast and that is because he is. The guy plays like T.O. and is the Big (6'4 230lb) reciever we deseperately need to have a high powered offense.


I would take 25 year old Marshall before 29 year old Boldin anyday.[/quote]
Boldin doesn't cause a great deal of off-field problems though - which can't be said for Marshall.

[Ravenskid2085]

And Now..... We have found our new Anquan Boldin

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

[quote name='lowrider' post='199596' date='Jun 15 2009, 04:59 AM']Not that extreme. Chad and TO are in a league of their own.[/quote]
Last time I checked assault and drug problems are more serious than loudmouth behaviour.

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' post='199468' date='Jun 13 2009, 08:07 PM']Yep...

I wonder how Brandon Marshall back then in 2006 draft fell off our radar. Ozzie did had a good overall draft that year. I wonder if Ozzie did not want him back then, then there is a reason why he doesn't want him now. Marshall even with all his skills and abilities looks like trouble because even though he produced, he also brought extra baggage with fines, arrests, and suspensions. He is very tricky because he's a great athlete, but you have to weigh in the risk. I hope Ozzie makes the right choice.[/quote]


well for first round overall, we took ngata... and i'd much rather have Ngata than marhsall... for the other 2-3 rounds, in our F.O. defense, you have no way of knowing if some1 is going to pan out......see ryan leaf

you also have a guy named terrell davis (bronco's former RB in the Superbowl years)

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

Exactly - much rather have Ngata.

[52Kia Kaha92]

yes id rather have Ngata aswell but we picked Demetrius Williams instead of Brandon Marshall

Who would you rather have??

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

[quote name='52Kia Kaha92' post='199722' date='Jun 15 2009, 04:44 PM']yes id rather have Ngata aswell but we picked Demetrius Williams instead of Brandon Marshall

Who would you rather have??[/quote]
Lol, when you put it like that...

[Bullrush]

Marshall is a monster. He's very immature it seems but on the field i don't think there's any receiver i'd rather have. If we can get him for a next years 1st round pick i'd do it in a heart beat.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='Bullrush' post='199777' date='Jun 15 2009, 06:11 AM']Marshall is a monster. He's very immature it seems but on the field i don't think there's any receiver i'd rather have. If we can get him for a next years 1st round pick i'd do it in a heart beat.[/quote]

Same, just keep him away from shiney objects and he'll be fine.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

[quote name='Bullrush' post='199777' date='Jun 15 2009, 10:11 PM']Marshall is a monster. He's very immature it seems but on the field i don't think there's any receiver i'd rather have. If we can get him for a next years 1st round pick i'd do it in a heart beat.[/quote]
Even Larry Fitzgerald?

[Bullrush]

They're both amazing. Fitzgerald has ridiculous hands but Marshall is more fun to watch, he runs everybody over. He's also amazing in the running game as a blocker, a lot of times he'll knock out linebackers and D-Linemen. Would love to see him slap Polamalu out of bounds.

Some highlights of him (not sure if it has been posted yet): [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16qhwX26vOA"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16qhwX26vOA[/url]

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

[quote name='Bullrush' post='199785' date='Jun 15 2009, 10:35 PM']They're both amazing. Fitzgerald has ridiculous hands but Marshall is more fun to watch, he runs everybody over. He's also amazing in the running game as a blocker, a lot of times he'll knock out linebackers and D-Linemen. Would love to see him slap Polamalu out of bounds.

Some highlights of him (not sure if it has been posted yet): [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16qhwX26vOA"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16qhwX26vOA[/url][/quote]
Haha true. Fitzgerald did torch the Steelers in the Superbowl, pity the Cardinals couldn't hold on...

[BloodRaven]

Marshall is a beast, hes like a younger, faster version of Anquan Boldin its just his hands arent good and he always has issues.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

If he sorts that out he'll be even more amazing. Jay Cutler is gonna miss that target in Chicago.... Devin Hester, woohoo! Lol.