Was Smith Really Our Best Option To Backup Flacco?

[Strangebru]

Everytime I read one of codizzle's posts it's read by Dwight Shrute in my head.

Since everyone likes doing this, I'll do it too:

[size=5][font="Times New Roman"]Heisman Trophy Winner > 5 year passer rating of 71.9[/font][/size]

[MKdave]

[quote name='Strangebru' post='196565' date='Jun 1 2009, 09:45 PM']Everytime I read one of codizzle's posts it's read by Dwight Shrute in my head.

Since everyone likes doing this, I'll do it too:

[size=5][font="Times New Roman"]Heisman Trophy Winner > 5 year passer rating of 71.9[/font][/size][/quote]

Not really.
1st round draft pick > Heisman.
But really it's irrelevant, college means nothing. This is the pros, the players aren't just better but the game is fundamentally different. There's no guarantee that anyone will make the transition.

[Ed_Reed20]

Why are people comparing Smith to Boller. Neither have what it takes to play in the NFL. Boller has all the physical tools but his decision-making is terrible, he gets happy-feet and rushes things when he feels pressure. Smith on the other hand is short and has inconsistent accuracy.

[YABOY]

[quote name='Alexir' post='196555' date='Jun 1 2009, 04:24 PM']It's funny how Jason Brown called out Boller for being Gun shy when Jason Brown was the main reason behind that...

That being said I don't blame players, I blame coaching. But when JB calls out a former teammate then Yeah I ll call his butt out...

I wouldn't have minded watching Boller play in Cam Cameron's offense though. That would have truly been the ultimate test on whether it was Boller or the coaching.[/quote]
the funny thing is they are teammates again

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='YABOY' post='196579' date='Jun 1 2009, 05:40 PM']the funny thing is they are teammates again [/quote]

Can you imagine how awkward it will be when Boller takes snaps from Brown in practice and maybe even in a game? LOL!

[noy]

[quote name='neepo13' post='196530' date='Jun 1 2009, 03:54 PM'][b]When has being smart ever won an NFL game? [/b]You have to have the tools to succeed. You have to be fast and you have to be strong. Boller is and Smith is not. We should have given Boller another shot. He can always learn new stuff. Smith will never be faster and stronger then he is right now.

p.s. I gotta go, same time tomorrow.[/quote]

To turn that statement on its head, when has being stupid ever lost an NFL game? Let's see, ALL THE TIME. If Boller's years with us doesn't prove that statement, then lets look at one especially painful game we had to go through the season before last.

Patriots-Ravens (Week 13). Boller managed to go from one half of solid, smart throws, to his infamous crapshoot in the 4th quarter. I even remember specifically the announcer saying, "And there's the Kyle Boller we're used too" when he threw that stupid last possession interception. You cannot argue he wasn't a terrible decision making QB, and that's ALL that matters when it comes to being a decent or good QB (Vick should be another example of this, amazing athlete, not so good QB).

Now of course we use Smith in set situations, like his fantastic throw to Joe Flacco (the play was designed to throw to him), but are you telling me Boller would have hit him perfectly like that? No way. Boller's accuracy was par at BEST, whilst Smith has much better accuracy (I didn't hear anyone cringing as soon as the wildcat was used, like almost every time Boller got on the field).

I understand that Boller may have been faster, but is he as good of a pure runner as Smith? Again, I say no. When I see Troy run I see him securing the ball, running downfield and making the occasional cut to get some extra yardage. When I saw Boller run, he never secured the ball (from what I remember), and he never cut to get that extra yardage. Bottom line, his down field vision was not as good as Smith's.

[neepo13]

[quote name='MKdave' post='196568' date='Jun 1 2009, 05:00 PM']Not really.
1st round draft pick > Heisman.
But really it's irrelevant, college means nothing. This is the pros, the players aren't just better but the game is fundamentally different. There's no guarantee that anyone will make the transition.[/quote]

Davey, your supposed to be anti- Boller. Anyway, calm down people this is not a serious thread, just clowning around.

[WRX123]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' post='196571' date='Jun 1 2009, 05:13 PM']Why are people comparing Smith to Boller. Neither have what it takes to play in the NFL. Boller has all the physical tools but his decision-making is terrible, he gets happy-feet and rushes things when he feels pressure. Smith on the other hand is short and has inconsistent accuracy.[/quote]

I cant agree more. Enough said, this thread is complete.

[MKdave]

[quote name='neepo13' post='196587' date='Jun 1 2009, 10:57 PM']Davey, your supposed to be anti- Boller. Anyway, calm down people this is not a serious thread, just clowning around.[/quote]

Yeah but the ignorance pains me.

[neepo13]

[quote name='MKdave' post='196590' date='Jun 1 2009, 06:03 PM']Yeah but the ignorance pains me.[/quote]

Its ok Davey, we will get em next time.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='Alexir' post='196539' date='Jun 1 2009, 04:00 PM']Boller has a strong arm but I think Troy Smith is more accurate. Either way its a back up QB and Troy and Kyle are probably 2 of the best back ups in the league next to Jon Kitna in Dallas.[/quote]
I disagree, but I am quite biased. I think that Colt Brennan is probably one of the top back-up quarterbacks... but come on, we all know that the most memorable (and my personal favorite) is Kevin Kolb of the Philadelphia Eagles.


Personally, I don't think the FO had any plans to keep either Boller nor Troy Smith long term. When the 07-08 season ended, the Kyle Boller experiment had obviously failed, but apparantly even he was better than Troy Smith, hence the starting position. They used a first round draft pick to bring in what is hopefully the franchise quarterback, which shows that the coaching staff had no faith in Smith.
When next year is over, I think that Troy Smith will hit free agency just like Kyle Boller did, and the Ravens won't even glance back. John Beck is probably going to be our number two guy, but that's just my opinion.

[codizzle]

[quote name='Strangebru' post='196565' date='Jun 1 2009, 03:45 PM']Everytime I read one of codizzle's posts it's read by Dwight Shrute in my head.

Since everyone likes doing this, I'll do it too:

[size=5][font="Times New Roman"]Heisman Trophy Winner > 5 year passer rating of 71.9[/font][/size][/quote]

I am faster than 80% of all snakes.


I don';t have a lot of experience with vampires, but I have hunted werewolves. I shot one once, but by the time I got to it, it had turned back into my neighbor';s dog. 2) I don';t have a lot of experience with vampires, but I have hunted werewolves. I shot one once, but by the time I got to it, it had turned back into my neighbor';s dog.

Why tip someone for a job I'm capable of doing myself? I can deliver food. I can drive a taxi. I can, and do, cut my own hair. I did however, tip my urologist, because I am unable to pulverize my own kidney stones. 3) Why tip someone for a job I'm capable of doing myself? I can deliver food. I can drive a taxi. I can, and do, cut my own hair. I did however, tip my urologist, because I am unable to pulverize my own kidney stones.

Beets
Bears
Battlestar Galactica

[darklight1216]

^ What in the world? O.o

[Chi_Town_Raven]

[quote name='darklight1216' post='196693' date='Jun 1 2009, 10:19 PM']I disagree, but I am quite biased. I think that Colt Brennan is probably one of the top back-up quarterbacks... but come on, we all know that the most memorable (and my personal favorite) is Kevin Kolb of the Philadelphia Eagles.


Personally, I don't think the FO had any plans to keep either Boller nor Troy Smith long term. When the 07-08 season ended, the Kyle Boller experiment had obviously failed, but apparantly even he was better than Troy Smith, hence the starting position. They used a first round draft pick to bring in what is hopefully the franchise quarterback, which shows that the coaching staff had no faith in Smith.
When next year is over, I think that Troy Smith will hit free agency just like Kyle Boller did, and the Ravens won't even glance back. John Beck is probably going to be our number two guy, but that's just my opinion.[/quote]
Ever noticed that on Reed's Jersey on your sig, it says "Soup"?

[darklight1216]

[quote name='Chi_Town_Raven' post='196697' date='Jun 1 2009, 11:31 PM']Ever noticed that on Reed's Jersey on your sig, it says "Soup"?[/quote]
That was random. The person who made the signature calls himself "Soup," and that is just his signature... on his signature. Lol, I don't think he likes Joe Flacco so that's probably why he put it on Reed's jersey.

Edit: To answer your question more directly: yes, I noticed that.

[Beninato]

[quote name='codizzle' post='196695' date='Jun 1 2009, 11:27 PM']I am faster than 80% of all snakes.


I don';t have a lot of experience with vampires, but I have hunted werewolves. I shot one once, but by the time I got to it, it had turned back into my neighbor';s dog. 2) I don';t have a lot of experience with vampires, but I have hunted werewolves. I shot one once, but by the time I got to it, it had turned back into my neighbor';s dog.

Why tip someone for a job I'm capable of doing myself? I can deliver food. I can drive a taxi. I can, and do, cut my own hair. I did however, tip my urologist, because I am unable to pulverize my own kidney stones. 3) Why tip someone for a job I'm capable of doing myself? I can deliver food. I can drive a taxi. I can, and do, cut my own hair. I did however, tip my urologist, because I am unable to pulverize my own kidney stones.

Beets
Bears
Battlestar Galactica[/quote]

Say what?(My face is really like that right now)

[BuckWilds]

[quote name='MKdave' post='196526' date='Jun 1 2009, 03:50 PM']People, Boller WAS faster, stronger and had a better arm than Smith. So yeah, he's a better athlete. Deal with it.

But what Smith has over Boller is smarts. He knows when to throw the ball and where to throw the ball. He doesn't make stupid, rushed throws like Boller does, and he also doesn't dumbly watch the rush sack him like Boller did. We made the right call.[/quote]

Agreed. In addition, Troy has improved his passing touch and has been a willing Raven and roleplayer.

[Beninato]

[quote name='WACKO4FLACC0' post='196706' date='Jun 2 2009, 12:13 AM'][b][/b] I dont think Troy is a starter but we havnt been able to see much of him so im not quite sure what ur basing ur opinion on. We also have another back up[/quote]

That's a pretty crazy statement, the guy did play for the Ravens and didn't join one of our rivals. To hate the dude? Come on now....

[BuckWilds]

[quote name='codizzle' post='196563' date='Jun 1 2009, 04:43 PM']troy ran a 4.65 kyle ran a 4.61

troy hasnt tripped over his own feet yet, but he hasnt been put in the same situation as kyle too

kyle definitly has more game experience but based on the situation i'll take troy.. he hasnt been beat up like kyle and he has been part of our offense for a couple years now

there is no arguement over who is more mobile. i'd say they are even. personally i'd give troy a little edge just from personally watching game film[/quote]

Troy keeps getting fish story faster... Troy and Joe are the same speed - approx. 4.7 from what I understand. Eventually I think he's going to be running a fantasy 4.3.

[Ravenfano3]

[quote]I say get rid of Smith, free up some cap space, keep Bauman, and try to pick up a nice FA rcver.[/quote]

lol, this is funny. how much do you think a 5th round pick is costing us, that it can give us the money to pick up "a nice FA rcver?"

[codizzle]

[quote name='Zhamtao' post='196709' date='Jun 1 2009, 11:24 PM']Troy keeps getting fish story faster... Troy and Joe are the same speed - approx. 4.7 from what I understand. Eventually I think he's going to be running a fantasy 4.3.[/quote]
i googled it and found two 4.65's so i put that

[Borris]

[quote name='Zhamtao' post='196709' date='Jun 2 2009, 12:24 AM']Troy keeps getting fish story faster... Troy and Joe are the same speed - approx. 4.7 from what I understand. Eventually I think he's going to be running a fantasy 4.3.[/quote]


[quote name='codizzle' post='196718' date='Jun 2 2009, 02:48 AM']i googled it and found two 4.65's so i put that[/quote]

If I remember correctly from when I looked it up, his 40 at the combine was 4.70 and his pro day 40 was 4.65.

[codizzle]

[quote name='Borris' post='196719' date='Jun 2 2009, 02:12 AM']If I remember correctly from when I looked it up, his 40 at the combine was 4.70 and his pro day 40 was 4.65.[/quote]
i dont know u could be right but either way its not that much different than KB's

[Elmo]

[quote name='Ravenfano3' post='196717' date='Jun 2 2009, 08:38 AM']lol, this is funny. how much do you think a 5th round pick is costing us, that it can give us the money to pick up "a nice FA rcver?"[/quote]

I think the whole "nice FA rcever" is great... Let me ask: who?

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='neepo13' post='196530' date='Jun 1 2009, 03:54 PM'][b]When has being smart ever won an NFL game?[/b] You have to have the tools to succeed. You have to be fast and you have to be strong. Boller is and Smith is not. We should have given Boller another shot. He can always learn new stuff. Smith will never be faster and stronger then he is right now.

p.s. I gotta go, same time tomorrow.[/quote]


The fact that you've started the above thought with that sentence, is enough not to take this thread seriously. But honestly, we're at the point where we're complaining about backup quarterbacks?? When is good enough going to be enough?

As far as Troy v. Boller... really?

I mean but if you want to go there (it's only fitting since it's the offseason), then lets go.

Troy is younger than Boller, cheaper than Boller, and clearly a better football player than Boller. Now I know some might say speed, athleticism, ect...and both sides would have valid arguments, but when has Boller ever eluded a LB like a gazelle high stepping a hyena? Troy Smith would run circles around Boller. And I'm not talking figure 8 circles, i'm talking crop circles in a corn field somewhere in England made by GeeGee and Xybox from planet Galactic z10. Now being that the quarterback position requires a player to have above average leadership qualities and the ability to have complete command over one of the most complicated offenses in all of team sports, I think it's fair to say that Troy Smith would hands down make for the better leader of the two (Boller=3 syllables: A.D.D.) And finally the mac daddy of all points; which proves why I am correct no matter how wrong you make think I am (which I'm sure you will), IS... there's a reason why Troy Smith is still a Raven and Kyle Boller isn't. So throw some hot sauce on it and let it simmer...sizzzling

So if you want to draw the line, which clearly you already have, then I'm gonna have to stand on the same side Ozzie is on .

+ 1 for me, -2 for anyone that disagrees. Final score: me a lot, you a little, I WIN

Wait, what were we playing again?? ...

[Marc2k6]

[quote name='neepo13' post='196519' date='Jun 1 2009, 03:37 PM']Troy just doesnt seem to have "it". I think we should have thought about keeping Boller and cutting or trading Smith. Smiths only use is in the wildcat formation and you can even argue that Boller would have been better at that. Boller's faster, he's more athletic and he's more of a threat to throw the ball. I think the Ravens made a real mistake by keeping Troy over Boller and they will regret it. Boller had all the tools to be an elite QB in the NFL, why wouldnt you want that guy competing for a starting job?[/quote]

We were not going to keep Boller and pay him starter money to be the back up, plain and simple. So for the money Smith is and was the best option. Maybe Boller's performance here in B-More was lack luster because of the coaching staff surrounding him or maybe it was just Boller, we will never know but St Louis can find out.

[Marc2k6]

I will give Boller one thing! He had a very strong arm, he could throw a 60 yard bomb from his knee's! From his knee's? Right now you are asking yourself what kinda of QB can throw a 70 yard bomb from his Knee's? A QB that can throw a 75 yard bomb from his knee's, is on that spends a lot of time laying on the ground.!

[baltiMORE RAVENS]

[quote name='darklight1216' post='196693' date='Jun 1 2009, 11:19 PM']I disagree, but I am quite biased. [b]I think that Colt Brennan is probably one of the top back-up quarterbacks[/b]... but come on, we all know that the most memorable (and my personal favorite) is Kevin Kolb of the Philadelphia Eagles. [/quote]

Was this part of the joke too? What makes Colt Brennan one of the top back-up QBs. The fact that he has never played, or the fact that he sucks. Hahaha

[smashmouth]

[quote name='Tighthead420' post='196523' date='Jun 1 2009, 03:45 PM']Boller tripped over his own feet and his own o-line regularly. He looked lost in the pocket at times. Strong arm, can run...but he did not have this mysterious "IT" to which you refer. Since your argument revolves around this "it", define what it Boller has, in your opinion, over Smith. Smith has not been able to show us what he can do, and until he does you cannot fairly say that he does not have "it."[/quote]
Troy has had the chance, he really diddnt make the most of it honostly. your right about Boller, his biggest downfall was that he diddnt have "awarness" in the pocket, Troy Smith's awarness is pretty solid, you can notice this by Smith and Boller have about the same speed yet Smith can elude defenders and is also a better scrambler.

[quote name='DTenGil' post='196524' date='Jun 1 2009, 03:46 PM']LMAO! Boller being faster and more athletic. that's a good one. what's that trophy thingy they award in college for being the most outstanding player? the Heisman or something? ohh wait, didn't Troy win that?[/quote]

Quit talking about College. there was 11 defenders on the field at one time,one game at a time, how many of those defenders on average make it as a starter in the NFL? Pro football players are pro football players for a reason.
[quote name='MKdave' post='196541' date='Jun 1 2009, 04:02 PM']I was talking about Smith. He's not as mobile as everyone around here seems to think.[/quote]
Smith can be pretty mobile, He's accually a underrated scrambler. Problem this past year he wouldent think "pass the ball" in the pre-season, he would think "run the ball", he started scrambling way to early, and no one won the starting spot for the season at any point of the preseason until Flacco won it by default.

[quote name='slugz1' post='196546' date='Jun 1 2009, 04:07 PM']troy running a 4.70 means nothing. Boller with 4.58 speed never avoided the sacks or hits that matterd. Troy plays way faster than a 4.7 40 would ever indicate.[/quote]

He dosent play faster, he avoids sacks and defenders because he has alot better awarness, there's a difference. It's really not possable that a player plays faster, If he runs a 4.6 40, then his striaght line quickness is just that.
[quote name='Alexir' post='196555' date='Jun 1 2009, 04:24 PM']It's funny how Jason Brown called out Boller for being Gun shy when Jason Brown was the main reason behind that...

That being said I don't blame players, I blame coaching. But when JB calls out a former teammate then Yeah I ll call his butt out...

I wouldn't have minded watching Boller play in Cam Cameron's offense though. That would have truly been the ultimate test on whether it was Boller or the coaching.[/quote]
Boller was doing well with Cam's offense, he had the best camp of the 3, problem was he was being the same old Boller, I dont think he would ever become better then the 1/1 td to int ratio. Although I do believe he could have became a solid QB in a better system. I think he's past the devolpment stage tho.

[quote name='RoflDogs' post='196558' date='Jun 1 2009, 04:34 PM']Can't believe someone said Troy doesn't have
"it" when that's what everyone talks about (i.e. Rod woodson)[/quote]
Rod Woodson really dont have the credablity to say Troy Smith has the "it". He does not attend or coach the Ravens. Woodson was great defender, not a scout, coach, or a QB evaulater.

[quote name='noy' post='196585' date='Jun 1 2009, 05:56 PM']To turn that statement on its head, when has being stupid ever lost an NFL game? Let's see, ALL THE TIME. If Boller's years with us doesn't prove that statement, then lets look at one especially painful game we had to go through the season before last.

Patriots-Ravens (Week 13). Boller managed to go from one half of solid, smart throws, to his infamous crapshoot in the 4th quarter. I even remember specifically the announcer saying, "And there's the Kyle Boller we're used too" when he threw that stupid last possession interception. You cannot argue he wasn't a terrible decision making QB, and that's ALL that matters when it comes to being a decent or good QB (Vick should be another example of this, amazing athlete, not so good QB).

Now of course we use Smith in set situations, like his fantastic throw to Joe Flacco (the play was designed to throw to him), but are you telling me Boller would have hit him perfectly like that? No way. Boller's accuracy was par at BEST, whilst Smith has much better accuracy (I didn't hear anyone cringing as soon as the wildcat was used, like almost every time Boller got on the field).

I understand that Boller may have been faster, but is he as good of a pure runner as Smith? Again, I say no. When I see Troy run I see him securing the ball, running downfield and making the occasional cut to get some extra yardage. When I saw Boller run, he never secured the ball (from what I remember), and he never cut to get that extra yardage. Bottom line, his down field vision was not as good as Smith's.[/quote]
Boller played better then anyone against the Pats of that year. He diddnt lose that game, Tom Brady won it. I agree that Smith was defiently the better runner of the 2. But if anyone really watched Smith play his rookie season, He diddnt play really good at all, his first preseason was one of if not the worst I've seen from any QB, even undrafted practice squad QB's. He went 3 for 11 for 31 yards, thats a 3.1 avg yard per play. Thats just bad. When he started in SEA he diddnt complete a 1st down the ENTIRE 1st half. In Pittsburgh he played average, not nad not really good, everyone knows they had quite a few of there star's out, including there 100 million dollar QB, and one of the best safteys in the league( behind Ed Reed of course)
He also should of had at least 3-4 picks on his stats. Ike Taylor of the Steelers has not 1 but 2 perfectly thrown passes to HIM, hit him inbetween the numbers and dropped them.

Im am still glad we kept Smith over Boller tho. Im just not sold on him really being better then a good backup, although I really hope he does become a solid starter for a team.

[shaikh015]

Did you see the trick play when Smith throw it to Flacco? Flawless execution and Flacco went 60-70 yards with it...