Was Smith Really Our Best Option To Backup Flacco?

[neepo13]

Troy just doesnt seem to have "it". I think we should have thought about keeping Boller and cutting or trading Smith. Smiths only use is in the wildcat formation and you can even argue that Boller would have been better at that. Boller's faster, he's more athletic and he's more of a threat to throw the ball. I think the Ravens made a real mistake by keeping Troy over Boller and they will regret it. Boller had all the tools to be an elite QB in the NFL, why wouldnt you want that guy competing for a starting job?

[slugz1]

[quote name='neepo13' post='196519' date='Jun 1 2009, 03:37 PM']Troy just doesnt seem to have "it". I think we should have thought about keeping Boller and cutting or trading Smith. Smiths only use is in the wildcat formation and you can even argue that Boller would have been better at that. Boller's faster, he's more athletic and he's more of a threat to throw the ball. I think the Ravens made a real mistake by keeping Troy over Boller and they will regret it. Boller had all the tools to be an elite QB in the NFL, why wouldnt you want that guy competing for a starting job?[/quote]
boller's faster?better? YOur questioning the FO?

[MKdave]

[quote name='slugz1' post='196520' date='Jun 1 2009, 08:41 PM']boller's faster?better? YOur questioning the FO?[/quote]

Boller was faster...

[neepo13]

[quote name='MKdave' post='196521' date='Jun 1 2009, 03:42 PM']Boller was faster...[/quote]

Yes, he was. He was also more accurate, poised, and had a stronger arm.

[Tighthead420]

Boller tripped over his own feet and his own o-line regularly. He looked lost in the pocket at times. Strong arm, can run...but he did not have this mysterious "IT" to which you refer. Since your argument revolves around this "it", define what it Boller has, in your opinion, over Smith. Smith has not been able to show us what he can do, and until he does you cannot fairly say that he does not have "it."

[DTenGil]

LMAO! Boller being faster and more athletic. that's a good one. what's that trophy thingy they award in college for being the most outstanding player? the Heisman or something? ohh wait, didn't Troy win that?

[MKdave]

People, Boller WAS faster, stronger and had a better arm than Smith. So yeah, he's a better athlete. Deal with it.

But what Smith has over Boller is smarts. He knows when to throw the ball and where to throw the ball. He doesn't make stupid, rushed throws like Boller does, and he also doesn't dumbly watch the rush sack him like Boller did. We made the right call.

[slugz1]

[quote name='MKdave' post='196521' date='Jun 1 2009, 03:42 PM']Boller was faster...[/quote]
i hope ur not talking bout 40 time

[lowrider]

Smith was our best option. The only problem with him is he is short. We didnt see the plays he made in training camp or how he performed in practice. This is mearly an assumption being made. We have seen Boller play, and Boller doesnt have anything. He cracks under any sort of pressure and his abilities are for nothing. Smith is a solid player with a big arm believe it or not. And Smith is known for being mobile. Boller is not. This is an insult to Troy Smith to be compared to Boller.

[slugz1]

[quote name='MKdave' post='196526' date='Jun 1 2009, 03:50 PM']People, Boller WAS faster, stronger and had a better arm than Smith. So yeah, he's a better athlete. Deal with it.

But what Smith has over Boller is smarts. He knows when to throw the ball and where to throw the ball. He doesn't make stupid, rushed throws like Boller does, and he also doesn't dumbly watch the rush sack him like Boller did. We made the right call.[/quote]
he was not faster maybe stronger arm but smith is way more accurate. Boller being more athletic yeah right stop hittin the wine too hard

[neepo13]

[quote name='MKdave' post='196526' date='Jun 1 2009, 03:50 PM']People, Boller WAS faster, stronger and had a better arm than Smith. So yeah, he's a better athlete. Deal with it.

But what Smith has over Boller is smarts. He knows when to throw the ball and where to throw the ball. He doesn't make stupid, rushed throws like Boller does, and he also doesn't dumbly watch the rush sack him like Boller did. We made the right call.[/quote]

When has being smart ever won an NFL game? You have to have the tools to succeed. You have to be fast and you have to be strong. Boller is and Smith is not. We should have given Boller another shot. He can always learn new stuff. Smith will never be faster and stronger then he is right now.

p.s. I gotta go, same time tomorrow.

[MKdave]

[quote name='slugz1' post='196527' date='Jun 1 2009, 08:52 PM']i hope ur not talking bout 40 time[/quote]

His 40 time was faster, yeah.

[slugz1]

Boller is gone get over it the bum can be the water boy for us.

[MKdave]

[quote name='lowrider' post='196528' date='Jun 1 2009, 08:54 PM']And Smith is known for being mobile. Boller is not.[/quote]
Wrongly...

[lowrider]

[quote name='MKdave' post='196534' date='Jun 1 2009, 03:56 PM']Wrongly...[/quote]
How am i wrong? Provide me stats saying Boller was a mobile quarterback? I know he was fast but he was scared with his offensive line in front of him. I cant imagine how scared he would be if he tried running with the ball. Oo wait, i do. He would fumble the ball without even being hit by someone else. Boller is a joke.

[Alexir]

Boller has a strong arm but I think Troy Smith is more accurate. Either way its a back up QB and Troy and Kyle are probably 2 of the best back ups in the league next to Jon Kitna in Dallas.

[slugz1]

[quote name='neepo13' post='196530' date='Jun 1 2009, 03:54 PM'][b]When has being smart ever won an NFL game?[/b] You have to have the tools to succeed. You have to be fast and you have to be strong. Boller is and Smith is not. We should have given Boller another shot. He can always learn new stuff. Smith will never be faster and stronger then he is right now.

p.s. I gotta go, same time tomorrow.[/quote]
huh i must have missed the point of a smart Qb wins games by being smart enough to switch plays and all that

[MKdave]

[quote name='lowrider' post='196538' date='Jun 1 2009, 08:59 PM']How am i wrong? Provide me stats saying Boller was a mobile quarterback? I know he was fast but he was scared with his offensive line in front of him. I cant imagine how scared he would be if he tried running with the ball. Oo wait, i do. He would fumble the ball without even being hit by someone else. Boller is a joke.[/quote]

I was talking about Smith. He's not as mobile as everyone around here seems to think.

[Borris]

[quote name='DTenGil' post='196524' date='Jun 1 2009, 03:46 PM']LMAO! Boller being faster and more athletic. that's a good one. what's that trophy thingy they award in college for being the most outstanding player? the Heisman or something? ohh wait, didn't Troy win that?[/quote]

Technically, I believe boller was faster, at least based on their combine times. (Kyle Boller ran a 4.58 and Troy Smith ran a 4.70.) Then again, straight line speed does not always translate into game speed.

That being said, can we just stop rehashing the same things over and over. Obviously Boller never had the 'it' factor or we would have never brought in McNair ect. And as far as his future success, I'm sure at some point in the season he will get to start, not necessarily because he is good, but because the Rams' line sucks so bad, Bulger will once again get hurt mid-season.

[Ravenskid2085]

Kyle Boller < Troy Smith

[slugz1]

[quote name='Borris' post='196542' date='Jun 1 2009, 04:02 PM']Technically, I believe boller was faster, at least based on their combine times. (Kyle Boller ran a 4.58 and Troy Smith ran a 4.70.) Then again, straight line speed does not always translate into game speed.

That being said, can we just stop rehashing the same things over and over. Obviously Boller never had the 'it' factor or we would have never brought in McNair ect. And as far as his future success, I'm sure at some point in the season he will get to start, not necessarily because he is good, but because the Rams' line sucks so bad, Bulger will once again get hurt mid-season.[/quote]
troy running a 4.70 means nothing. Boller with 4.58 speed never avoided the sacks or hits that matterd. Troy plays way faster than a 4.7 40 would ever indicate.

[Strangebru]

[quote name='neepo13' post='196519' date='Jun 1 2009, 03:37 PM']Troy just doesnt seem to have "it". I think we should have thought about keeping Boller and cutting or trading Smith. Smiths only use is in the wildcat formation and you can even argue that Boller would have been better at that. Boller's faster, he's more athletic and he's more of a threat to throw the ball. I think the Ravens made a real mistake by keeping Troy over Boller and they will regret it. Boller had all the tools to be an elite QB in the NFL, why wouldnt you want that guy competing for a starting job?[/quote]
I don't think anyone defended Boller more than myself, in his time as a Ravens QB, but I am more willing to stick with Troy Smith over Kyle Boller.

We know what Boller had done for the Ravens, what Troy can do is still a mystery. Kyle had more than his amount of chances to prove what he could do as a QB in Baltimore, tonsulitis kept Troy from getting his chance. If Troy hadn't been ill at the begining of last season, this thread could be about how the Ravens let Kyle Boller get away but are still carrying an untested QB from a I-AA college that couldn't cut it at Pitt. I always bring up how I thought the Ravens would have trouble winning more than 7 games with a rookie QB starting prior to week 1, this is why we post on the message boards and aren't GM's with some NFL team.

[WRX123]

They could of got rid of both of them and kept Bauman for all i care. I think everyone thinks Troy Smith is much better than he really is. I think Troy Smith thinks that as well. Boller has a great arm. Better than most QBs in the leuge. He just got rattled to easily. Troy has never really played in a NFL game so who knows how good he really is. We only saw him at the very end of the season and he played aginst a few 2nd teamers durning those games he started. I say get rid of Smith, free up some cap space, keep Bauman, and try to pick up a nice FA rcver.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

[quote name='neepo13' post='196530' date='Jun 1 2009, 03:54 PM'][b]When has being smart ever won an NFL game?[/b] You have to have the tools to succeed. You have to be fast and you have to be strong. Boller is and Smith is not. We should have given Boller another shot. He can always learn new stuff. Smith will never be faster and stronger then he is right now.

p.s. I gotta go, same time tomorrow.[/quote]

When being stupid could cost an NFL game. After 5 years in the Ravens uniform, Boller is just 1 TD above a 1/1 TD/Int Ratio, with 36 fumbles. Troy was poised to become the starter before his illness last Season, with Boller in the line up. I have faith in our coaches. But tell me...how relevant was this athleticism while he was sacked over 100 times in just 53 games?

Decision making > Athleticism

[lowrider]

[quote name='LosT_in_TranSlatioN' post='196551' date='Jun 1 2009, 04:18 PM']When being stupid could cost an NFL game. After 5 years in the Ravens uniform, Boller is just 1 TD above a 1/1 TD/Int Ratio, with 36 fumbles. Troy was poised to become the starter before his illness last Season, with Boller in the line up. I have faith in our coaches. But tell me...how relevant was this athleticism while he was sacked over 100 times in just 53 games?

Decision making > Athleticism[/quote]
Part of the reason was the line though. But thats the only excuse I have for him. You're completely right after that. Boller is horrible.

[Alexir]

It's funny how Jason Brown called out Boller for being Gun shy when Jason Brown was the main reason behind that...

That being said I don't blame players, I blame coaching. But when JB calls out a former teammate then Yeah I ll call his butt out...

I wouldn't have minded watching Boller play in Cam Cameron's offense though. That would have truly been the ultimate test on whether it was Boller or the coaching.

[RoflDogs]

Can't believe someone said Troy doesn't have
"it" when that's what everyone talks about (i.e. Rod woodson)

[lowrider]

[quote name='Alexir' post='196555' date='Jun 1 2009, 04:24 PM']It's funny how Jason Brown called out Boller for being Gun shy when Jason Brown was the main reason behind that...

That being said I don't blame players, I blame coaching. But when JB calls out a former teammate then Yeah I ll call his butt out...

I wouldn't have minded watching Boller play in Cam Cameron's offense though. That would have truly been the ultimate test on whether it was Boller or the coaching.[/quote]
I bet Jason Brown is scared now.

Brown didnt really call Boller out that much. All he said was Boller needed to trust his line a little more. Which is true and i've heard x teammates call each other out much worse than that. If you cant trust the people around you then you cant work as a team. I know his offensive line wasnt the best but Boller assumed they would get beat everytime. No amount of coaching could calm down Bollers paranoia. Even when Boller had cameron for a offensive coordinator last year he was still just making dump passes and thats all he would do.

[Strangebru]

[quote name='Alexir' post='196555' date='Jun 1 2009, 04:24 PM']It's funny how Jason Brown called out Boller for being Gun shy when Jason Brown was the main reason behind that...

That being said I don't blame players, I blame coaching. But when JB calls out a former teammate then Yeah I ll call his butt out...

I wouldn't have minded watching Boller play in Cam Cameron's offense though. That would have truly been the ultimate test on whether it was Boller or the coaching.[/quote]
I totally agree.

[codizzle]

troy ran a 4.65 kyle ran a 4.61

troy hasnt tripped over his own feet yet, but he hasnt been put in the same situation as kyle too

kyle definitly has more game experience but based on the situation i'll take troy.. he hasnt been beat up like kyle and he has been part of our offense for a couple years now

there is no arguement over who is more mobile. i'd say they are even. personally i'd give troy a little edge just from personally watching game film