Matt Jones

[kris21054]

[quote name='RayLew52' post='195448' date='May 27 2009, 01:32 PM']Really?! Another mediocre receiver. Why the hell does any player who is available get a freakin thread on here. Why the hell would we ever want a crappy receiver who along with that has had numerous drug problems.[/quote]

haha mainly bc its the offseason and what else is there to talk about?

but i read some where he might be going to da bears

[jezzy]

if we get him the feild won't have any white lines on them cuz jones would sniff them all up.lol. sike hes not any better then we have so why bring him here we need an upgrade at the wr position not another average wr with alot of problems

[Alexir]

[quote name='jezzy' post='195688' date='May 28 2009, 03:48 PM']if we get him the feild won't have any white lines on them cuz jones would sniff them all up.lol. sike hes not any better then we have so why bring him here we need an upgrade at the wr position not another average wr with alot of problems[/quote]

Again, he is better than every reciever on our team after Mason and Clayton. I know most of you guys have a thing for Eron Riley but he won't pan out and I doubt anyone else will. Matt Jones atleast knows how it feels to be a number 1 reciever whether he played like it or not.

[lowrider]

[quote name='Alexir' post='195698' date='May 28 2009, 04:15 PM']Again, he is better than every reciever on our team after Mason and Clayton. I know most of you guys have a thing for Eron Riley but he won't pan out and I doubt anyone else will. Matt Jones atleast knows how it feels to be a number 1 reciever whether he played like it or not.[/quote]
2008 stats

derrick mason had 80 receptions for 1000 yards and 5 tds.

Clayton had 41 receptions 700 yards and 3 tds

Matt jones had 65 receptions for 761 yards and 2 tds

What has Matt Jones done lately that makes him so much better than our recievers? And your seriously telling me Derrick Mason doesnt know what it feels like to be a number one reciever. And one more thing; Jezzy that sniffing the white lines comment was hilarious!

[Jesse Conroy]

If he is a good player I want him here... You hear everyone talking about legal issues... well a lot of players now days have em, and we welcomed Jamal and Ray Lewis back with open arms when they had legal troubles.

I say get him if we can, we need the talent.

[Marc2k6]

[quote name='lowrider' post='195700' date='May 28 2009, 04:20 PM']2008 stats

derrick mason had 80 receptions for 1000 yards and 5 tds.

Clayton had 41 receptions 700 yards and 3 tds

Matt jones had 65 receptions for 761 yards and 2 tds

What has Matt Jones done lately that makes him so much better than our recievers? And your seriously telling me Derrick Mason doesnt know what it feels like to be a number one reciever. And one more thing; Jezzy that sniffing the white lines comment was hilarious![/quote]

Exactly! But just think what he could do with out the white lines before the game!

[Alexir]

[quote name='lowrider' post='195700' date='May 28 2009, 04:20 PM']2008 stats

derrick mason had 80 receptions for 1000 yards and 5 tds.

Clayton had 41 receptions 700 yards and 3 tds

Matt jones had 65 receptions for 761 yards and 2 tds

What has Matt Jones done lately that makes him so much better than our recievers? And your seriously telling me Derrick Mason doesnt know what it feels like to be a number one reciever. And one more thing; Jezzy that sniffing the white lines comment was hilarious![/quote]

I said we use him as our 3rd reciever...you kinda just proved my point with your stats....

Also why don't you read all the other posts before you accuse me of saying anything negative about Mason. I was simply saying he has number 1 recieving experience which would be great for us. I never said he would beat out Clayton or Mason...

[kash96ravenstotalfan]

[quote name='Jesse Conroy' post='195701' date='May 28 2009, 04:22 PM']If he is a good player I want him here... You hear everyone talking about legal issues... well a lot of players now days have em, and we welcomed Jamal and Ray Lewis back with open arms when they had legal troubles.

I say get him if we can, we need the talent.[/quote]
You and Alexir need a reality check. Ray was not convicted of anything. jamal is long gone. Why in the world would you support a substance abuse player? They just bring trouble to our team and we don;t need that. We pride our team on having players with high character. They will get us to the Super Bowl, not drug abusers.

[Alexir]

[quote name='kash96ravenstotalfan' post='195743' date='May 28 2009, 08:04 PM']You and Alexir need a reality check. Ray was not convicted of anything. jamal is long gone. Why in the world would you support a substance abuse player? They just bring trouble to our team and we don;t need that. We pride our team on having players with high character. They will get us to the Super Bowl, not drug abusers.[/quote]

You wanna call me out on needing a reality check?

Its called football. NFL. They are players and whether you like it or not, there are players on our team that binge drink, smoke weed and probably do lines. But they didn't get caught. That is the reality of being a sport super star. Ray was convicted of obstruction of justice. So basically that meant he wouldnt snitch on his boys. He did the same thing Matt Jones needs to do. Find a new group of people to associate with.

And I really want to know how long you have been a Ravens fan saying we take pride on having players with high character. I can name a lot of players in Ravens history that have had a lot of legal issues and bad attitudes prior to this year.

I don't need a reality check, you do. This is a game, who the hell are you to call out someone on their drug problems? I want people who can help us win games, not people who have inspirational stories who cant play in the clutch.

[Zeddtar]

It looks like to me that people are going crazy over this thread. Maybe it's time to stop talking about who we want and have more confidence in the players we have. Besides, we are not getting Matt Jones without losing another player.

[Alexir]

He is a free agent. We can cut someone like Harper

[kash96ravenstotalfan]

[quote name='Alexir' post='195747' date='May 28 2009, 08:12 PM']You wanna call me out on needing a reality check?

Its called football. NFL. They are players and whether you like it or not, there are players on our team that binge drink, smoke weed and probably do lines. But they didn't get caught. That is the reality of being a sport super star. Ray was convicted of obstruction of justice. So basically that meant he wouldnt snitch on his boys. He did the same thing Matt Jones needs to do. Find a new group of people to associate with.

And I really want to know how long you have been a Ravens fan saying we take pride on having players with high character. I can name a lot of players in Ravens history that have had a lot of legal issues and bad attitudes prior to this year.

I don't need a reality check, you do. This is a game, who the hell are you to call out someone on their drug problems? I want people who can help us win games, not people who have inspirational stories who cant play in the clutch.[/quote]
Sorry, I wasn't aware that you are the authority on our players with drug, alcohol problems. As far as your statement goes that we have alot of players with legal issues, I beg to disagree. I'm not here to get into a pissing contest with you, IMO the Ravens do not want, need a player with substance abuse issues. I have been a Ravens fan since they arrived in Baltimore. Prior to that I was a Colts fan forever. You seem to be of the opinion that we should sign anyone who can help the team win, regardless of their personal issues. I am of the opinion that we should sign players that demonstrate good character and I believe our team is of the same opinion. We hired Harbs as coach to bring this team together, and he has let some malcontents go i.e. C-mac being the most prominent. As for your questioning my dedication to the team. I had ESPN at my house for the AFC championship game - I won the contest for best Ravens fan. I do not believe that the Ravens should acquire any player with issues that do not contribute to the benefit of the team. Guess we just have to agree to disagree on this matter.

[Alexir]

[quote name='kash96ravenstotalfan' post='195755' date='May 28 2009, 08:32 PM']Sorry, I wasn't aware that you are the authority on our players with drug, alcohol problems. As far as your statement goes that we have alot of players with legal issues, I beg to disagree. I'm not here to get into a pissing contest with you, IMO the Ravens do not want, need a player with substance abuse issues. I have been a Ravens fan since they arrived in Baltimore. Prior to that I was a Colts fan forever. You seem to be of the opinion that we should sign anyone who can help the team win, regardless of their personal issues. I am of the opinion that we should sign players that demonstrate good character and I believe our team is of the same opinion. We hired Harbs as coach to bring this team together, and he has let some malcontents go i.e. C-mac being the most prominent. As for your questioning my dedication to the team. I had ESPN at my house for the AFC championship game - I won the contest for best Ravens fan. I do not believe that the Ravens should acquire any player with issues that do not contribute to the benefit of the team. Guess we just have to agree to disagree on this matter.[/quote]

CMac was one of the best corners in the league and Harbaugh didn't get a long with him because of his attitude. Back when they had personalties. You know I wasn't slightly pissed when Bart threw that Flag during the patriots game? Because he was mad at something a referee said to his teammate. Would I want T.O. on the team? Hell no, but when it comes to off the field issues like substance abuse-I've seen Ravens players at the Bars hammered- cocaine is more of a psychological addiction than something like alcohol, where you can actually die from withdrawal. Anyways, Matt jones doing lines, Fabian Washington hitting his girl, and Derrick Martin getting caught with weed doesnt hurt the locker room.

Football players aren't saints (unless the play in New Orleans). It is not my buisness what they do off the field neither is it anyone heres unless you are a member of the front office.

I love Fabian and I am a huge fan of his, didn't mean to call him out but still, I rather have someone doing cocaine than striking a woman anyday.

[kash96ravenstotalfan]

[quote name='Alexir' post='195757' date='May 28 2009, 08:42 PM']CMac was one of the best corners in the league and Harbaugh didn't get a long with him because of his attitude. Back when they had personalties. You know I wasn't slightly pissed when Bart threw that Flag during the patriots game? Because he was mad at something a referee said to his teammate. Would I want T.O. on the team? Hell no, but when it comes to off the field issues like substance abuse-I've seen Ravens players at the Bars hammered- cocaine is more of a psychological addiction than something like alcohol, where you can actually die from withdrawal. Anyways, Matt jones doing lines, Fabian Washington hitting his girl, and Derrick Martin getting caught with weed doesnt hurt the locker room.

Football players aren't saints (unless the play in New Orleans). It is not my buisness what they do off the field neither is it anyone heres unless you are a member of the front office.

I love Fabian and I am a huge fan of his, didn't mean to call him out but still, I rather have someone doing cocaine than striking a woman anyday.[/quote]
Harbs did not get along with CMac because he refused to follow the Harbs plan. I'm done debating these issues with you

[Alexir]

He benched him because he wore shorts to the Miami Dolphins game....

[lowrider]

[quote name='Alexir' post='195757' date='May 28 2009, 08:42 PM']CMac was one of the best corners in the league and Harbaugh didn't get a long with him because of his attitude. Back when they had personalties. You know I wasn't slightly pissed when Bart threw that Flag during the patriots game? Because he was mad at something a referee said to his teammate. Would I want T.O. on the team? Hell no, but when it comes to off the field issues like substance abuse-I've seen Ravens players at the Bars hammered- cocaine is more of a psychological addiction than something like alcohol, where you can actually die from withdrawal. Anyways, Matt jones doing lines, Fabian Washington hitting his girl, and Derrick Martin getting caught with weed doesnt hurt the locker room.

Football players aren't saints (unless the play in New Orleans). It is not my buisness what they do off the field neither is it anyone heres unless you are a member of the front office.

I love Fabian and I am a huge fan of his, didn't mean to call him out but still, I rather have someone doing cocaine than striking a woman anyday.[/quote]


[quote name='Alexir' post='195760' date='May 28 2009, 08:54 PM']He benched him because he wore shorts to the Miami Dolphins game....[/quote]

As if that is the only reason CMac and Harbaugh didnt get along.

Jones has been constantly in trouble. Jamal got in trouble for something he did when he was a freshman in college. And Ray was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Those are different situations than a guy with a drug problem and a drug problem that will probably keep happening. Not only that he isnt that good. He is a distraction. For a number three receiver? Washington can put up the stats Jones did as a number one reciever.

Hold up, cocaine is a more psychological drug than alcohol? Alcohol is not worse than cocaine. Cocaine your addicted the first time you do it. Lenny Bias anyone? You need to do a little research about drugs.

Players arent angels. But what proof do you base that the majority of them do drugs and have problems with the law? The only proof we have is when they get caught. Washington paid the price and was suspended for a game. But he hasnt done it again. As far as i believe this isnt the first time Jones has been convicted of this. And he will do it again. All for a number 3 reciever. Not worth it.

[Zeddtar]

Who is Matt Jones?

[lowrider]

I did address the topic, moderator zeddtar.

[ravens world]

why do you people care so much about a players off the feild problems? I mean it should be about can he help our team. And from someones stats jones had more yards and receptions tham clayton and only 1 less tochdown. I say we get him he would be our #2 reciever. I mean he put up better stats then clayton and clayton played every game.

[lowrider]

[quote name='ravens world' post='195993' date='May 30 2009, 02:27 AM']why do you people care so much about a players off the feild problems? I mean it should be about can he help our team. And from someones stats jones had more yards and receptions tham clayton and only 1 less tochdown. I say we get him he would be our #2 reciever. I mean he put up better stats then clayton and clayton played every game.[/quote]
Did you see the cowboys last year? Did you see how the off the field problems broke them apart? They were a talented team and they showed it at the beginning of the year. But eventually the drama caught up to them. Their team chemistry failed.

Did you see the jaguars last year? They were projected to be a good team that would possibly go to the super bowl or make a run in the playoffs. They had the same team that was so tough to beat in 2007 but what was the difference between 2007 and 2008? Their team chemistry failed. If a team doesnt work well together then talent doesnt matter.

[Alexir]

[quote name='lowrider' post='196028' date='May 30 2009, 12:43 PM']Did you see the cowboys last year? Did you see how the off the field problems broke them apart? They were a talented team and they showed it at the beginning of the year. But eventually the drama caught up to them. Their team chemistry failed.

Did you see the jaguars last year? They were projected to be a good team that would possibly go to the super bowl or make a run in the playoffs. They had the same team that was so tough to beat in 2007 but what was the difference between 2007 and 2008? Their team chemistry failed. If a team doesnt work well together then talent doesnt matter.[/quote]

LOL, the jags were bad because their OL was done! Had nothing do with team chemistry or locker room problems....

[lowrider]

[quote name='Alexir' post='196038' date='May 30 2009, 02:18 PM']LOL, the jags were bad because their OL was done! Had nothing do with team chemistry or locker room problems....[/quote]
A lot of teams put up with injuries to their offensive line and dont crumble like they did. Players last year didnt get along with each other. I especially remember one linebacker being disgruntled on the Jaguars. You think what you want. But you didnt have a comeback for the Cowboys locker room crumbling.

[Alexir]

[quote name='lowrider' post='196135' date='May 30 2009, 11:27 PM']A lot of teams put up with injuries to their offensive line and dont crumble like they did. Players last year didnt get along with each other. I especially remember one linebacker being disgruntled on the Jaguars. You think what you want. But you didnt have a comeback for the Cowboys locker room crumbling.[/quote]

Yeah the reason the locker room went to sh%t was because of Terrell Owens (who doesnt do cocaine). Thats just a personality problem. He doesnt have off the field issues, he has on the field issues. Matt Jones was not responsible at all for the Jaguars losing. Mike Peterson was very passionate about winning and he was the captain of the D. Del Rio sent him home for speaking out. Again, nothing to do with cocaine.

Also OchoCinco doesn't do cocaine, yet he is a lockerroom cancer.

So basically my point is you are wrong.

[lowrider]

[quote name='Alexir' post='196207' date='May 31 2009, 01:17 PM']Yeah the reason the locker room went to sh%t was because of Terrell Owens (who doesnt do cocaine). Thats just a personality problem. He doesnt have off the field issues, he has on the field issues. Matt Jones was not responsible at all for the Jaguars losing. Mike Peterson was very passionate about winning and he was the captain of the D. Del Rio sent him home for speaking out. Again, nothing to do with cocaine.

Also OchoCinco doesn't do cocaine, yet he is a lockerroom cancer.

So basically my point is you are wrong.[/quote]
Not everything is going to relate back to someone doing cocaine. How many people do you hear about doing cocaine and being solid players on the team? Personality problems are the same thing as off the field issues. On the field TO had few issues. He was a performer (barring all the drops he had) but overall he was a solid player. He was passionate too and if he wanted his team to win and he felt by getting him the ball was the best way.

The Jaguars defense was ranked 17th last year. When their defense was what was supposed to be so dominant. So their injuries on the offensive line had little to do with that. You act as if there was nothing else behind closed doors with Mike Peterson. Why would Coach Del Rio just send his best player home if he was just trying to inspire his team? It doesnt make sense and your assuming that there is no other side of the story. That team has issues behind closed doors.

If you honestly think that a guy with a drug addiction is going to be a good player and teammate then i cant argue with stupidity. Drug addictions consume the personality. The Ravens dont pick up guys with personality issues or off the field issues because they risk the play of the team. Especially with someone will mediocre talent. There isnt any risk reward. The reward isnt even worth it. This thread was a wast of time. I'd rather have Mike Vick over a coke head. Mike Vick actually has some reward to his risk.

[Strangebru]

If the NFL wanted to really put an end to this steroid use, and masking agents problem, all they have to do is make it a lifetime ban from the NFL for a first offense. It sounds harsh, but if players think they can get away with getting caught twice before they have to stop for good, then they are going to use them until they get popped twice. How many of you did something illegal as a kid that you wouldn't even attempt doing now, because you knew it would only go on your juvenile record and not your adult record?

If you get caught doing something at work that explained in the company employee manual as a terminable offense, do they give you two more chances to repeat those actions or do you get fired on the spot?

[Alexir]

[quote name='lowrider' post='196221' date='May 31 2009, 02:15 PM']Not everything is going to relate back to someone doing cocaine. How many people do you hear about doing cocaine and being solid players on the team? Personality problems are the same thing as off the field issues. On the field TO had few issues. He was a performer (barring all the drops he had) but overall he was a solid player. He was passionate too and if he wanted his team to win and he felt by getting him the ball was the best way.

The Jaguars defense was ranked 17th last year. When their defense was what was supposed to be so dominant. So their injuries on the offensive line had little to do with that. You act as if there was nothing else behind closed doors with Mike Peterson. Why would Coach Del Rio just send his best player home if he was just trying to inspire his team? It doesnt make sense and your assuming that there is no other side of the story. That team has issues behind closed doors.

If you honestly think that a guy with a drug addiction is going to be a good player and teammate then i cant argue with stupidity. Drug addictions consume the personality. The Ravens dont pick up guys with personality issues or off the field issues because they risk the play of the team. Especially with someone will mediocre talent. There isnt any risk reward. The reward isnt even worth it. This thread was a wast of time. I'd rather have Mike Vick over a coke head. Mike Vick actually has some reward to his risk.[/quote]

So because someone does cocaine that makes him an addict?

Well I guess I am an alcoholic because I drink beer. ****, better go call Intervention up and see if I can get on the show

Please send me a link proving that Matt Jones is a lockerroom cancer.

Also, there is this Hall of Fame reciever named Michael Irvin that used cocaine and had much, much more off the field issues but came to play every damn game.

[Moderator 3]

Please stick to the subject of Matt Jones and terminate the "drug" discussions.

Thank you.

[Beninato]

[quote name='Moderator 3' post='196237' date='May 31 2009, 03:41 PM']Please stick to the subject of Matt Jones and terminate the "drug" discussions.

Thank you.[/quote]

Why exactly? If there is conversation about his drug abuse it should be allowed seeing as it relates to Matt Jones. Now, if it's about other users going at each others throats as seem above then that's understandable.

[lowrider]

[quote name='Alexir' post='196234' date='May 31 2009, 03:29 PM']So because someone does cocaine that makes him an addict?

Well I guess I am an alcoholic because I drink beer. ****, better go call Intervention up and see if I can get on the show

Please send me a link proving that Matt Jones is a lockerroom cancer.

Also, there is this Hall of Fame reciever named Michael Irvin that used cocaine and had much, much more off the field issues but came to play every damn game.[/quote]
Its proven that the body is addicted to cocaine on the first time its done unlike alcohol. Those two are dissimilar. But i'm not surprised you didnt know that.

I dont need an article to say that Matt Jones is a lockerroom cancer. Do you think he would go the whole being a Raven and not make any friends? And do you honestly think that he would want to snork coke alone and he wouldnt offer it to any of his friends? Even if that doesnt happy, lets think of it like this. If Matt Jones wasnt a risk why has no one picked him up? I guess every team in the NFL doesnt know something you do.

Thats for the Michael Irvin comment. Age did affect the Cowboys after that super bowl but even wikipedia talks about how off the field issues can affect a team.
[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas_Cowboys"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas_Cowboys[/url]

"Yet the glory days of the Cowboys were again beginning to dim as free agency, age and injuries began taking their toll. The Cowboys went 6-10 in 1997, with discipline and off-field problems becoming major distractions. "

[Alexir]

Snork coke? Interesting. Also Cocaine is more of mental addiction because it is one of the only drugs that don't show withdrawal symptoms. The main reason a team hasn't jumped on him is probably because it is not 100% clear that he won't be suspended even though reports say he won't, the NFL hasn't confirmed it.

As for the whole making friends on the team and sharing coke. They are grown ****** men, if they want cocaine, they get it. This isnt middle school, peer pressure doesn't work on grown ups...