Can The Ravens Beat The Colts This Year?

[SaVaGe]

With the loss of Marvin, Dungy and a multitude of others do you think this is the year we can finally feel good about a Colts game? I for one don't. Manning is still the guy who is out there each down picking apart the defense and even with the loss of Dungy he specifically trained and demanded this new coach put in charge if he left. I have a feeling the next time the Ravens beat the colts number 18 won't be on the field.

[codizzle]

[quote name='SaVaGe' post='194870' date='May 24 2009, 09:14 PM']With the loss of Marvin, Dungy and a multitude of others do you think this is the year we can finally feel good about a Colts game? I for one don't. Manning is still the guy who is out there each down picking apart the defense and even with the loss of Dungy he specifically trained and demanded this new coach put in charge if he left. I have a feeling the next time the Ravens beat the colts number 18 won't be on the field.[/quote]
u sir are wrong.... we will beat them this year mark er down

[Borris]

Well, my question is for once will we play them with both our starting CBs healthy? Because that would be nice.

[McBurks]

I say yes.

[shaikh015]

Player for player we got their number....On paper we look really good.....

[Ravensfan23]

I think in the pass it was our offense not being able to match the speed of the Colts D more so then Manning and their Offense tearing us apart. Now don't get me wrong, Manning has had some good games against us, but its mostly been the result of a banged up defense at key positions.

I think the wait of the Colts game will fall on Flacco and the offense this year more so then Ray and the crew. If the offense can step up and score TDs instead of FGs vs the Colts, then defending Manning will be a lot easier.

Last season vs the Colts Flacco admitted to being nervous about playing on the same field as Manning. I don't think we will have to worry about that this season. Also in that game last year it was the first time that Flacco saw that Tampa 2 style defense and it confused him. Giving the fact that he was a young QB learning a new offense, learning to play with a new group of guys, and more importantly learning to play up to speed of the NFL, it was hard for him to adjust in that game.

However this year Flacco seems to be commanding the well early on. He should be more familar with his weapons and vice versa. Cam should open up the offense alot more this year, and that will be us in a better position to beat the Colts. I think the Colts game will be a big one for the Ravens, it will come at a time were the Playoff teams should start to seperate themselves from everyone else. The Ravens should be battle tested by the time of the Colts game with tough matchups against NE, SD, and Minn coming before the Colts. Lookin at the schedule now, i think we should have some good momentum builded up heading into that game, with winnable matchups vs DEN, Cle and Cin coming off the Bye week.

I know many people think highly of Manning and don't think anything can affect him, but i think the lost of both Dungy and Tom Moore will hurt him a bit. I don't think that offense will click as well early on as they have in recent years. The Colts will have a tough 5 game strecth that will really test the makeup of that team without Dungy. Starting with a division game vs HOU(who always seems to play the Colts tough) then followed by a game with NE(we all know how the NFL hypes that game) then they followed that up with the Ravens(very pyshical and tough to be a home) after that they have two division games vs Hou and Ten. If they get off to a slow start without Dungy, they could very well be a desperate team heading into that week 11 matchup with the Ravens.

[Fred Sanford]

Although Harrison and McAlister are both gone, I still have to give it to the Colts, and that pains me. Every time we play them I think "Yeah, but we're better now, we'll take them this time," and it NEVER happens. I really hope this is the year we break the curse, but I wouldn't put money on it.

[MagicianCamille]

It's not a curse...it's Peyton Manning. He systematically tears our defense apart every time. Don't disparage the man's brilliance and talent.

I think we've gotten better on offense though and they've gotten worse, so hopefully we can out-do them this year.

[lowrider]

I tried to reason this out. The Ravens got burned last year because our cornerbacks had terrible games. And with new young cornerbacks that are fast, that will prevent the big play. And our offensive line is better and Flacco is too. But still Manning just kills us. For some reason. He just knows what our defense is going to do in the huddle and he reads our mind. And for some reason the speed of that defense bothers the Ravens offense. I cant figure it out. The colts cant stop the run against anyone but the Ravens.

My first ravens game i ever saw in person was in 2007 when the ravens played the colts and we got destroyed and it was cold and it rained. I think it was 44-20 or something. It wasnt even fair. It was the worst game ever to see. I think we will make it closer this year. I think we will lose 38-20. But if we do win that would be sweet! I just hope we dont play the Colts in the playoffs.

[rlh445]

[quote name='Borris' post='194877' date='May 24 2009, 10:46 PM']Well, my question is for once will we play them with both our starting CBs healthy? Because that would be nice.[/quote]


Ha, I think Borris ended the thread right there.

[MagicianCamille]

[quote name='rlh445' post='194906' date='May 25 2009, 02:52 AM']Ha, I think Borris ended the thread right there.[/quote]

CBs weren't the problem in our 15-6 loss to them in the 2006 playoffs though.

It was that our offense couldn't move the ball at all. Lack of offensive productivity was the main cause of pretty much all of our losses to the Colts(and plenty of other teams of course), with a large helping of Peyton Manning being Peyton Manning.

[rlh445]

[quote name='MagicianCamille' post='194907' date='May 25 2009, 02:56 AM']CBs weren't the problem in our 15-6 loss to them in the 2006 playoffs though.

It was that our offense couldn't move the ball at all. Lack of offensive productivity was the main cause of pretty much all of our losses to the Colts(and plenty of other teams of course), with a large helping of Peyton Manning being Peyton Manning.[/quote]


Meh, Peyton is just as vulnerable as other QBs, he just happens to have a much better head on his shoulders. Why did he score 15 points? Because he adjusted to the defense and our D couldn't adjust back. What about last year? Our offensive productivity wasn't too bad last year and we could have beaten them..but we couldn't stop him. Manning being Manning is all well and good, but he isn't unstoppable..unless you're the Ravens, apparently, .

[MagicianCamille]

[quote name='rlh445' post='194911' date='May 25 2009, 03:31 AM']Manning being Manning is all well and good, but he isn't unstoppable..unless you're the Ravens, apparently, .[/quote]

I believe my point was that Manning destroys [b]our team[/b], I didn't say anything about how he fares against other teams. (Though he is among the top 2 QBs in the league)

[Fred Sanford]

Typically, Peyton has an under average to average game against our D, excluding the game last year. It's actually been guys like Gary Brackett, Robert Mathis, Cato June, Freeney against injured old Ogden, and Antoine Bethea that have beat us in most games. Strange how their quickness totally negated our humangous offensive line, Jamal Lewis, etc. for the most part. Even Melvin Bullett in that game last year.

Our inability to score beats us in more games against the Colts than our inability to stop their offense. Harrison beat McAlister bad about every other time we played them, but I would attribute our chronic underachievement against the Colts more to a curse than Peyton Manning picking us apart, Clint Eastwood.

[MagicianCamille]

[quote name='Fred Sanford' post='194915' date='May 25 2009, 03:00 AM']Typically, Peyton has an under average to average game against our D, excluding the game last year. It's actually been guys like Gary Brackett, Robert Mathis, Cato June, Freeney against injured old Ogden, and Antoine Bethea that have beat us in most games. Strange how their quickness totally negated our humangous offensive line, Jamal Lewis, etc. for the most part.

Our inability to score beats us in more games against the Colts than our inability to stop their offense. I would attribute our chronic underachievement against the Colts more to a curse than Peyton Manning picking us apart, Clint Eastwood.[/quote]

I guess I was speaking more towards how he directs the offense, operates the no-huddle, and reads our movements as opposed to his actual stats.

[macbrak]

We have not been good against the short pass and that's what manning excels at. Last year this was amplified as the short passes were turned into points against a secondary in disarray.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='rlh445' post='194911' date='May 25 2009, 03:31 AM']Meh, Peyton is just as vulnerable as other QBs, he just happens to have a much better head on his shoulders. Why did he score 15 points? Because he adjusted to the defense and our D couldn't adjust back. What about last year? Our offensive productivity wasn't too bad last year and we could have beaten them..but we couldn't stop him. Manning being Manning is all well and good, but he isn't unstoppable..unless you're the Ravens, apparently, .[/quote]

I wouldn't credit Manning for that playoff win back in 06. He had a terrible game and should have been even worst had it not been for Ray tipping 2 sure INTs that would have probably been returned for scores. The defense played great in that game, all the way up until that last drive when we just seemed worn out.

It was the offenses lack of production and well as them turning the ball over deep in our own end, allowing the Colts to pick up one first down and kick a field goal. Then when we had the opportunity to score we turned the ball over again. McNair's INT at the goaline, and Clayton fumbling the ball after his big play that would set us up deep in scoring position.

All in all it has be a overall team effort when it comes to the colts. In games that where the defense plays well, the Offense doesn't seem to show up, and in games where the offense atleast looks like they came to play the Defense doesn't for whatever reason. With our defense most times its like playing a chest match with Payton and that offense, and the thing about that is eventually they will make a play at some point, but if your offense doesn't show up its hard to win.

I'm watching TV as i write this post and this statement was made, i think it's perfect for this topic. The best defense is a good offense, i couldn't agree more. The best way to beat the Colts is to have ur offense keep Payton off the field. The longer any defense stays on the field the more exposed they become, no matter how good they are.

[rastaman831226]

[quote name='MagicianCamille' post='194916' date='May 25 2009, 04:04 AM']I guess I was speaking more towards how he directs the offense, operates the no-huddle, and reads our movements as opposed to his actual stats.[/quote]

You nailed it. Ravens defense has always been vulnerable to the no-huddle and Peyton Manning is the King of the no-huddle. The key to beating the Colts is keeping Manning off the field through time consuming, scoring, ball contol offense. Last year's power running game with McClain rumbling behind Jason Brown and Lorenzo Neal was ineffective, however, Ray Rice's slashing, darting style neutralized the Indianapolis defensive speed late in the game. It'll be interesting to see how Cam Cameron solves this problem this year.

[Mahatma_Sloth]

This year will be one of our better chances. i think we would have had a better chance last year if we didnt play em so early

[BaltimoreBulldog]

I agree, if we are ever going to do it, now is the time with all of the off season losses to the Colts coaching staff. The problem is Peyton is still there and he is usually the one who shreds us every time.

[Alexir]

For some reason we can't beat Peyton Manning. Don't give too much credit to Dungy, the reason we cant beat them is because of the field general Peyton

[NissanGTR05]

I agree with alot of you, with all the coaches that have left and the usuraty of how its all going to turn out, this year would be the best year for us to beat them, by the way does anyone know how old manning is, is he in his early 30's?

[FerrariFan87]

I hope so as I will be going to the game!! Also, it's quite annoying that we can't seem to beat them...

[ROH522155]

every year me and this girl do this thing where if the colts win i wear a manning jersey and if the ravens win she wears a Ray Lewis jersey and frankly, Im tired of wearin that jersey!!

[darklight1216]

[quote name='ravensorioleshoyas522155' post='194987' date='May 25 2009, 04:12 PM']every year me and this girl do this thing where if the colts win i wear a manning jersey and if the ravens win she wears a Ray Lewis jersey and frankly, Im tired of wearin that jersey!![/quote]
Did you purchase this Manning jersey? O.o

[Ed_Reed20]

I want it to happen but for some reason, everything goes wrong whenever the Ravens play the Colts. I can understand the offense struggling last year with Flacco paying only his third(I think) game. However, the defense got embarrassed and it wasn't just C-Mac getting torched.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' post='195015' date='May 25 2009, 05:02 PM']I want it to happen but for some reason, everything goes wrong whenever the Ravens play the Colts. I can understand the offense struggling last year with Flacco paying only his third(I think) game. However, the defense got embarrassed and it wasn't just C-Mac getting torched.[/quote]
My sentiments exactly. I didn't even know about the Ravens pitiful record against the Colts last year, but I was like "Dang. What happened to that shut down defense?" The Giants game was like deja vu. What was up with that one?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='darklight1216' post='195016' date='May 25 2009, 05:23 PM']My sentiments exactly. I didn't even know about the Ravens pitiful record against the Colts last year, but I was like "Dang. What happened to that shut down defense?" The Giants game was like deja vu. What was up with that one?[/quote]

I agree. I can understand the Giants running over the Ravens. ESPN was actually pushing the entire o-line to win the MVP award and they also have one of the best(and underrated) FBs in the league in Madison Hedgecock. But the Colts?! I honestly couldn't believe it.

What really annoys is how the Colts defense seems to get destroyed every other week by teams like the Jags and Texans but once they play the Ravens, they become the 85 Bears.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' post='195019' date='May 25 2009, 05:47 PM']I agree. I can understand the Giants running over the Ravens. ESPN was actually pushing the entire o-line to win the MVP award and they also have one of the best(and underrated) FBs in the league in Madison Hedgecock. But the Colts?! I honestly couldn't believe it.

What really annoys is how the Colts defense seems to get destroyed every other week by teams like the Jags and Texans but once they play the Ravens, they become the 85 Bears.[/quote]
Or even the 2007 Patriots... stomping good teams and losing to losers. Okay, that was a bit of a hyperbole. The Giants weren't losers, but you know what I'm saying.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='darklight1216' post='195021' date='May 25 2009, 06:04 PM']Or even the 2007 Patriots... stomping good teams and losing to losers. Okay, that was a bit of a hyperbole. The Giants weren't losers, but you know what I'm saying.[/quote]

Yep. I'm excited to see what Flacco does against their defense this year though. He watches film and I'm sure he doesn't want to commit the same mistakes he did last year.