Would Michael Vick Be A Good Fit In Bmore?

[Stover4Prez]

NO!!!! Absolutely NOT!!

He is a terrible person and a grossly overrated QB. Leave him to the Raiders or the Cowboys.


Or send him back to the penal league!

[Alexir]

I really don't care bout his criminal past or what PETA has to say.

Do I want to see vick back in the NFL? Yes. He did the time, why should Tank Johnson, Matt Jones, or Pacman Jones be allowed if Vick isnt.

Do I want to see him in Baltimore? No. We don't need him. We have 3 QBs.

[noy]

The thing about Vick is his vision of the field combined with his speed and agility were ridiculous. 1000+ yards for a QB?! You can't overlook that. However, the only way I would want him in a Raven's jersey is if he came in as a wide receiver. I mean, think about it:

-Eliminates his terrible passing ability.
-Acquires, what would be, the most upside which would be his yards after catch ability.

The only thing in question would be his ability to catch (quite a major part of being a wide receiver, lol), as well as his initial route running skills. Of course, this is all dependent on whether or not he has kept up with his former football physique (which isn't a stretch to imagine, because what else do inmates have to do on the inside? workout...eat...sleep...and perfect the art of gripping soap). To solve all the question marks, teams would need a sort of "workout with Vick" day, but that would never happen. He is a risk, the only question would be is if he is a risk worth taking. He wouldn't be asking much, I would imagine, unless his debt to Atlanta is still a factor.

[Yatagarasu]

It would be nice to see Vick in purple and black, but I highly doubt it would happen.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='wun22' post='194311' date='May 21 2009, 05:31 PM']Ray was CHARGED with murder and plead guilty to obstruction.

everyone knows ray had something to do with it, lets not kid ourselves.

AND if Ray was so innocent why he settle out of court in the civil case..

lets not be hypocrites people[/quote]He was charged with murder, but that charge was dropped because of the deal offered to him -- hence his guilty plea for obstruction of justice. There was not enough hard evidence to convict him.

People settle out of court all the time as a consolation to the plantiff, often as a means of discouraging the pursuit of future legal action. Usually, people who sue often don't rest until they get some sort of financial compensation, even if they know that the defendent may be innocent -- as long as there isn't enough evidence to neither link nor clear them of the crime.

Getting back on-topic to the Michael Vick debacle, there's no reason to have him on the team. For what? To run a special package? A package that will only see two or three snaps a game, if that? No NFL team runs more than 2-4 trick plays a game, if that -- and half of those plays are simply decoys.

And what happens if teams find out that Vick is good for nothing more a decoy? What if his athleticism is gone? It's not just time in prison that has me concerned -- it's his age. Sure, he hasn't been taking hits the last two years, but prison life isn't exactly conducive to NFL conditioning. And without conditioning, the athleticism is gone, which makes Vick no longer Vick. Then his usefulness comes to an end. Vick, even at the veteran minimum, would be an unnecessary roster spot.

[codizzle]

[quote name='wun22' post='194304' date='May 21 2009, 04:18 PM']you're missing the point...we wouldnt use him in pocket situations...with Miami (and us to some degree) proving that the Wildcat works in the NFL, Vick could flourish!

I think the game is just now catching up to the type of player Vick is...[/quote]
im pretty sure we proved that the wildcat doesnt work in the nfl.. not once but twice...

+1

[kze]

[quote name='Alexir' post='194322' date='May 22 2009, 12:23 AM']I really don't care bout his criminal past or what PETA has to say.

Do I want to see vick back in the NFL? Yes. He did the time, why should Tank Johnson, Matt Jones, or Pacman Jones be allowed if Vick isnt.

Do I want to see him in Baltimore? No. We don't need him. We have 3 QBs.[/quote]

Exactly how I feel.

[Stover4Prez]

Has he paid his debt for the dog ring? Yes.

Is he still an overrated punk thug? Yes.

Let's not forget all the other antics he has pulled. Flipping off the fans? Getting in fights? Screw Vick. He thinks he is entitled to the world. I would boycott the Ravens until he left if they signed him.

[RavensIQ]

YES.

Vick would make our already dominant run game even more impossible to stop.

Flacco takes the snap....hands of to Ray Rice....Ray Rice runs left, hands it off to Troy Smith? Troy Smith runs right....hands it off to Michael Vick? Vick scrambles, jukes, spins, jumps, flys, cartwheels, and then back filps into the endzone for a TOUCHDOWN!!!

[Guest Moderator8]

To answer the question about Vick in Baltimore in one word:

[b][size=7]NO!!!!!!!!!![/size][/b]

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='Moderator8' post='194339' date='May 21 2009, 07:10 PM']To answer the question about Vick in Baltimore in one word:

[b][size=7]NO!!!!!!!!!![/size][/b][/quote]


No as in "No, not right now bcuz our cap space is tight" or "No, I wouldn't like to see Vick in Baltimore...I would [b]LOVE[/b] to see Vick in Baltimore"?

You can't possibly mean No as in "NO"...we're talking about Michael Vick here. One of the greatest athletes to have ever played the game. I know the man made a mistake but he also paid his debt to society. I believe in 2nd chances bcuz I know if that was me...I would want one. I think we all would.

[Johnny U]

No way; don't want Vick! I'm happy with Joe Cool and Troy Smith.


"No one comes into Ray Ray's House and beats the Ravens"!

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='Johnny U' post='194342' date='May 21 2009, 07:19 PM']No way; don't want Vick! I'm happy with Joe Cool and Troy Smith.


"[b]No one comes into Ray Ray's House and beats the Ravens"! [/b][/quote]


Except for the Steelers

[BuckWilds]

[quote name='wun22' post='194267' date='May 21 2009, 04:30 PM']I say yes.[/quote]

I'm glad you came out with this. Now I know not to listen to you.

[BuckWilds]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='194340' date='May 21 2009, 07:18 PM']No as in "No, not right now bcuz our cap space is tight" or "No, I wouldn't like to see Vick in Baltimore...I would [b]LOVE[/b] to see Vick in Baltimore"?

You can't possibly mean No as in "NO"...we're talking about Michael Vick here. One of the greatest athletes to have ever played the game. I know the man made a mistake but he also paid his debt to society. I believe in 2nd chances bcuz I know if that was me...I would want one. I think we all would.[/quote]

I'm fairly certain you wouldn't get yourself in that situation in the first place. And there are other great athletes in the NFL that aren't scrub punks.

[Mishel]

Whoever picks up Vick is going to be dealing with a massive amount of picketing and pissed off people. You can't tell me that PETA is going to let Vick start a game in the NFL without some kind of uproar.

[MagicianCamille]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='194340' date='May 21 2009, 06:18 PM']I know the man made a mistake but he also paid his debt to society. I believe in 2nd chances bcuz I know if that was me...I would want one. I think we all would.[/quote]

First of all no sane person gets themselves into that situation. Second, it wasn't "a mistake", it was a series of mistakes that would not have stopped if he didn't get caught, and you and I both know that's true. It's not like he attended a dog fight once, or had one once, he ran and funded an entire dog fighting ring that went for a while, and only stopped when he was caught and his dogs confiscated (and many put to death because they were trained to be extremely violent to enhance their sick game). He shouldn't be allowed to be in a position where he can make a substantial amount of money, and the NFL will be lowering it's standards to an extreme degree to let him play in the league.

It should be a privilege to play in the NFL, not a right for dog fighting ring runners, illegal weapon cache owners, violent attackers who cause another human being to be paralyzed, and the like. People who are so blinded by the entertainment factor that they'll put aside all of the terrible deeds a person has done under the guise of "Oh people deserve a second chance!" (which is absolutely bull, you want him in because it will entertain you) disgust me, quite frankly. And it's ruining the NFL.

Now, all of that aside, no he wouldn't bring a single thing to Baltimore besides media attention we don't want or need. We don't know what physical condition he's in, he hasn't been training for the last 2 years, and what little mental know-how of the game he had is surely diminished after 2 years being out of the league.

[kash96ravenstotalfan]

[quote name='wun22' post='194297' date='May 21 2009, 05:03 PM']yeah, those same people prolly all LOVE Ray Lewis and the *little murder charge he picked up is just a thing of the past now (a misunderstanding, right)[/quote]
Please don't diss Ray Lewis on this forum. If I recall, he was found not guilty and not charged with anything. I think Ray has exonerated himself since that indescretion. Let's leave that alone, please

[kash96ravenstotalfan]

[quote name='btully27' post='194298' date='May 21 2009, 05:04 PM']i feel the same way n if u asked anyone this question b4 the vick drama...u would have heard people sayin they would trade the whole D 4 him[/quote]
No way we would trade our whole D for anybody. Get real

[wayne]

[quote name='MagicianCamille' post='194301' date='May 21 2009, 04:12 PM']No way, he's a terrible passer.[/quote]

Thats not true. Only thing Vick was not good at was reading defenses but to say he is a terrible passer is BS!

[lowrider]

I never believed one player could rip apart a locker room. Until I saw TO do it. Now Vick isnt TO but i'm not willing to risk it. We are so close to being the best. I'm not willing to make a risk to blow the whole thing

[wayne]

[quote name='MagicianCamille' post='194354' date='May 21 2009, 07:17 PM']First of all no sane person gets themselves into that situation. Second, it wasn't "a mistake", [b]it was a series of mistakes that would not have stopped if he didn't get caught, [/b]and you and I both know that's true. It's not like he attended a dog fight once, or had one once, he ran and funded an entire dog fighting ring that went for a while, and only stopped when he was caught and his dogs confiscated (and many put to death because they were trained to be extremely violent to enhance their sick game). He shouldn't be allowed to be in a position where he can make a substantial amount of money, and the NFL will be lowering it's standards to an extreme degree to let him play in the league.

It should be a privilege to play in the NFL, not a right for dog fighting ring runners, illegal weapon cache owners, violent attackers who cause another human being to be paralyzed, and the like. People who are so blinded by the entertainment factor that they'll put aside all of the terrible deeds a person has done under the guise of "[b]Oh people deserve a second chance[/b]!" (which is absolutely bull, you want him in because it will entertain you) disgust me, quite frankly. And it's ruining the NFL.

[b]Now, all of that aside, no he wouldn't bring a single thing to Baltimore besides media attention we don't want or need.[/b] We don't know what physical condition he's in, he hasn't been training for the last 2 years, and what little mental know-how of the game he had is surely diminished after 2 years being out of the league.[/quote]

Ok, let me tell you how stupid you sounding right now. First off, [b]I'm pretty sure alot of the guys in the NFL(All professional sports) is doing some type of act thats illegal and they will continue to do it until they get caught![/b] Pretty sure we have a few guys on our Raven squad doing some illegal acts right now and will continue to do so untill they get caught.

Secondly, it's some people out there that doesn't place Dog Rights how on their agenda list. True, Vick knew what he was doing was illegal([b]only reason its illegal b/c America places high value on Dogs with the "Man Best Friend" deal and secondly, what he had going on wasn't getting taxed by the government[/b]) but morally, he might have felt that what he was doing wasn't wrong. Hunting is legal, yet, fighting dogs isn't and that makes since right?You can go in the Army and lose your life at the tender age of 18, yet, you can't drink till you 21 and I'm using this as a metaphor to the ******ed up laws in America(America is still the best Country to live in but I'm just saying)!

I wouldn't say we need Vick but he sure as hell could help us if we were to get him!

Also, I LOL at the people that don't believe in giving people second chances, yet, you want a second chance if you were to make a ******ed up decision in your life which you will one day if you haven't already!

[lowrider]

[quote name='wayne' post='194365' date='May 21 2009, 09:08 PM']Ok, let me tell you how stupid you sounding right now. First off, [b]I'm pretty sure alot of the guys in the NFL(All professional sports) is doing some type of act thats illegal and they will continue to do it until they get caught![/b] Pretty sure we have a few guys on our Raven squad doing some illegal acts right now and will continue to do so untill they get caught.

Secondly, it's some people out there that doesn't place Dog Rights how on their agenda list. True, Vick knew what he was doing was illegal([b]only reason its illegal b/c America places high value on Dogs with the "Man Best Friend" deal and secondly, what he had going on wasn't getting taxed by the government[/b]) but morally, he might have felt that what he was doing wasn't wrong. Hunting is legal, yet, fighting dogs isn't and that makes since right?You can go in the Army and lose your life at the tender age of 18, yet, you can't drink till you 21 and I'm using this as a metaphor to the ******ed up laws in America(America is still the best Country to live in but I'm just saying)!

I wouldn't say we need Vick but he sure as hell could help us if we were to get him![/quote]
They would starve the dogs then make them rip the hell out of each other. If you can watch a dog fighting video and tell me its morally right then you're a sick human being. I hate PETA, they piss me off. But I draw the line somewhere on animals. Hunting they shoot the animals and end it quickly. I dont care if he felt what he was doing was wrong or not. Anti-social serial killers feel they are doing nothing wrong but killing people is wrong.

Killing dogs and getting drunk are completely different. Thats why you get a citation for drinking and years in jail for the other. The laws arent messed up, there is obviously more severe pushments for more severe crimes.

I'm not saying no professional athletes arent doing anything illegal, but they arent a distraction to the team because they dont have screaming mobs after them. This would be a huge distraction. We have no idea how the fans are going to react because nothing like this has ever happened. Hes not worth the risk to break up our whole team. Its not worth someone who wouldnt even be our number one quarterback.

[wayne]

[quote name='lowrider' post='194368' date='May 21 2009, 08:21 PM']They would starve the dogs then make them rip the hell out of each other. If you can watch a dog fighting video and tell me its morally right then you're a sick human being. I hate PETA, they piss me off. But I draw the line somewhere on animals. [b]Hunting they shoot the animals and end it quickly[/b]. I dont care if he felt what he was doing was wrong or not. [b] Anti-social serial killers feel they are doing nothing wrong but killing people is wrong. [/b]
Killing dogs and getting drunk are completely different. Thats why you get a citation for drinking and years in jail for the other. The laws arent messed up, there is obviously more severe pushments for more severe crimes.

I'm not saying no professional athletes arent doing anything illegal, but they arent a distraction to the team because they dont have screaming mobs after them. This would be a huge distraction. We have no idea how the fans are going to react because nothing like this has ever happened. Hes not worth the risk to break up our whole team. Its not worth someone who wouldnt even be our number one quarterback.[/quote]

Whats the difference b/c at the end of the day the animals are both dead. Atleast in Dog Fights, the animal has a 80% chance of living compared to that deer that has the scope pointed at his head. If you ask me they are both unmorally wrong. But you can't try to justify Hunting from Dog Fighting based solely on b/c the animal suffers then die in one but in the other he just die,LOL!

It's like making Alcohol and Tobacco legal which is more responsible for taking the lives of many than anything, yet, weed is illegal! Look at that from a moral standpoint and tell me what you think?

Also, with the serial-killer thing, killing animals(dogs) compared to humans is Apples and Oranges. Are you implying that the value of Humans is the same of a Dog/animal? There are countries that killing dogs isn't unmoral to them. Pretty sure if you go to Asia with this Vick deal they would laugh at you and probably praise Vick and ask Vick to start a restaraunt up and the dog that lose needs to be butchered and sold for food.

[lowrider]

[quote name='wayne' post='194369' date='May 21 2009, 09:29 PM']Whats the difference b/c at the end of the day the animals are both dead. Atleast in Dog Fights, the animal has a 80% chance of living compared to that deer that has the scope pointed at his head. If you ask me they are both unmorally wrong. But you can't try to justify Hunting from Dog Fighting based solely on b/c the animal suffers then die in one but in the other he just die,LOL!

It's like making Alcohol and Tobacco legal which is more responsible for taking the lives of many than anything, yet, weed is illegal! Look at that from a moral standpoint and tell me what you think?[/quote]
They starve the animals. Its not quick. They die slowly and they bleed to death. You watch a video of dog fighting and tell me if its morally right still. The reason why torture is so bad is because its slow and they suffer more. Thats why torturing humans is illegal too. Or cant you justify that one death is worse than another in humans. So if one person gets shot in the head and dies instantly and another person gets tortured for hours and days then its the same? They are not the same no matter how you swing that. Thats why i can justify that hunting is worse than dog fighting. Which is why there is a law against dog fighting. Hunting is quick and in fact they need hunters to keep the population of deer down. If you cant see the difference i cant convince ignorance and idiocy

They made alcohol legal because during prohibition the mobs and the drinking were worse than before. We arent going to get into a whole legalize tobacco and weed and alcohol debate because thats a whole different discussion that is completely irrelevant

[go4ravens]

At least we know Ozzie isn't stupid enough to take advice form this forum...

[Ravenglenn]

[quote name='go4ravens' post='194372' date='May 21 2009, 09:49 PM']At least we know Ozzie isn't stupid enough to take advice form this forum...[/quote]

Exactly. I think if the Ravens braintrust thought for a minute that Vick would be the missing piece to bringing
a championship here they would be after him.

[lowrider]

[quote name='wayne' post='194369' date='May 21 2009, 09:29 PM']Also, with the serial-killer thing, killing animals(dogs) compared to humans is Apples and Oranges. Are you implying that the value of Humans is the same of a Dog/animal? There are countries that killing dogs isn't unmoral to them. Pretty sure if you go to Asia with this Vick deal they would laugh at you and probably praise Vick and ask Vick to start a restaraunt up and the dog that lose needs to be butchered and sold for food.[/quote]
Those countries they need dogs for food, but they dont starve them! Whats really sad is that you are able to vote. This is why some people deserve no opinion on who should be in charge of the United States. Ignorance.

The Ravens dont need to risk what they have going for them. They have a good quarterback, and they have a mobile quarterback. We ran the suggs package like once a game or twice a game. Is it worth bringing in a player that could risk our team chemistry for a few plays a game? No

[Sam]

Oh wow - I can't even believe this was started. Are you serious???? NO WAY!.

I can;t believe threads like this even start!?!?!?!

[wayne]

[quote name='lowrider' post='194371' date='May 21 2009, 08:45 PM']They starve the animals. Its not quick. They die slowly and they bleed to death. You watch a video of dog fighting and tell me if its morally right still. The reason why torture is so bad is because its slow and they suffer more. Thats why torturing humans is illegal too. Or cant you justify that one death is worse than another in humans. [b]So if one person gets shot in the head and dies instantly and another person gets tortured for hours and days then its the same[/b]? They are not the same no matter how you swing that. Thats why i can justify that hunting is worse than dog fighting. Which is why there is a law against dog fighting. Hunting is quick and in fact they need hunters to keep the population of deer down. If you cant see the difference i cant convince ignorance and idiocy

They made alcohol legal because during prohibition the mobs and the drinking were worse than before. [b]We arent going to get into a whole legalize tobacco and weed and alcohol debate because thats a whole different discussion that is completely irrelevant[/b][/quote]

Technically, they are the same, they both die in the end!

Also, that Weed/Tobacco issue is very relevant to this situation. It shows how one thing can be justified and one thing can be condemed, yet, the thing thats justified is bringing on alot more pain than the thing thats condemed. Keep the population of Deer down huh? Piss poor justification! Do we need to start killing humans too so they wont over populate the world?

Before you guys throw the word ignorance and idiocy out there, do me one favor. Look in the mirror!