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[MagicianCamille]

Not winning a playoff game this year isn't far-fetched for any team. It's hard to win in the playoffs, and if you lose you're out, so obviously both teams will give everything they got in every game.

I think they'll have playoff success as usual though.

I actually wanted an Eagles/Ravens Superbowl last year, to see how both teams improved since their last meeting. That sure would have settled the arguments on this forum(then again, probably not since amg they signed rookies).

Hopefully we'll get our resolution this year.

[pick-ups]

[quote name='MagicianCamille' post='195171' date='May 26 2009, 11:11 AM']Not winning a playoff game this year isn't far-fetched for any team. It's hard to win in the playoffs, and if you lose you're out, so obviously both teams will give everything they got in every game.

I think they'll have playoff success as usual though.

[b]I actually wanted an Eagles/Ravens Superbowl last year[/b], to see how both teams improved since their last meeting. That sure would have settled the arguments on this forum(then again, probably not since amg they signed rookies).

Hopefully we'll get our resolution this year.[/quote]
Same here as I wanted the SB meeting to be a first(two #6 seeds in the SB)

[lowrider]

[quote name='CustomUserName' post='195137' date='May 26 2009, 12:25 PM']So having a big playmaker in Desean and drafting another huge playmaker in Maclin isn't the answer to the offense. What about Stacy and Peters? Who did we get for receiver? Oh yeah, Kelley Washington. Philly and Baltimore have a similar line, similar backfield, but the passing game is clearly in Philly's favor.

But again that youngest line is found using Enron math. The line was limited to the five players I gave you, and Yanda got injured against the colts. We then replaced him with Anderson who was about a decade older (equating to that average increasing by two years). Then in offseason we lost Brown in favor or Birk and Anderson in favor of Oher, no difference. The players will improve, but you are too optimistic to continue using this faulty math (cause the average age of our line now is 26, which among the league is average), and then you assume that young stars like Yanda and Gaither wouldn't test the Free Agency. We can barely predict what will happen this year, let alone over the course of the next two or three when those two hit the Free agency, along with many others.

McNabb played every team in the NFL, at least twice. He is least intercepted QB in NFL history. If he had a ring on his finger, he'd be a shoe in for the Hall of Fame. That ratio won't get him to the playoffs, but neither will Flacco's two playoff wins, or Ray Lewis' two DPoY awards. And if you think a pick or two in that game would have hurt McNabb's ratio, you're fooling yourself.

Delivering and taking blows? How many hits has Peyton took? Should we assume then that Lewis is better than Manning? That logic is complete non sequitur. There is no difference between giving and taking hits, force is force. Otherwise Collins would have hurt his arm and not Suggs in the divisional round. I won't even respond to the leadership statement.

Giants- imploded after Plax, failed in december (miserably), lost their swagger, lost their three headed monster, all they got going for them is Osi coming back.
Pats- Brady tore two ligaments in his leg. Yeah, he'll just return like nothing happened.
Ravens- We still lack the passing game that the Eagles have, and a little thing called pass-rush
Steelers- Like I said, got lucky. They were a good team that got very lucky and didn't have to play great teams in the post season or those great teams were too injury plagued to star players.

Indy and SD are the only ones I'd hold up in the same tier as Philly.[/quote]
The Eagles backfield isnt the same. Westbrook isnt what he used to be and he wasnt that good of a runner to begin with. And he is hitting 30 in september. I'd like to see how Flacco improves before say that the the Eagles passing game is better than the Ravens. I think the Eagles will be better but it wont be by much.

I'm not saying that our young offensive linemen wouldnt test the free agency. But I am saying that one more year together and one more year experience will help those players drastically. And our whole offensive line improving drastically is more important than one position on the line improving drastically.

I'm not talking about the hall of fame here for McNabb. He is a great player. I think if he had a running game and a little help at reciever he would have won a super bowl. Im glad i dont have to decide to put him in the hall of fame or not. Thats hard to decide.

There is a big difference in giving and recieving hits. Thats why running backs careers are so short. Doesnt mean you cant get hurt hitting someone. That was one of the only complaints people had about vick when he played. They thought mobile quarterbacks would get hurt too often. Which McNabb was. And if you think that Dawkins wasnt an important leader on that team i dont know what team your watching. Dawkins has been steady throughout his career. Do you honestly think the team looks to McNabb after the TO situation with him?(not saying it was McNabbs fault, TO is crazy) But still when drama is caused by a "leader", he isnt going to be looked up to as much as someone who isnt involved with stuff.

The Giants imploded so that doesnt mean that cant get it back? The Eagles did and they got it back to make a run in the playoffs. Losing Derrick ward is not that big of a deal. Jacobs is more important.

If Brady is 80 percent of what he used to be then that team is still one of the top 3 teams. The backup for Matt Leinhart in college helped the Patriots win 11 games. That just blows my mind. Brady isnt a mobile quarterback. The knee injury wont affect him that much imo. he doesnt need that speed.

Steelers played the Cardinals. Who beat the Eagles. I guess the Eagles got an easy run in the playoffs too. Steelers were very good. You have to be a little lucky to win the super bowl. And they played a tough Ravens team that gave them hell all year. Steelers didnt have an easy run. They were good.

[pick-ups]

[quote name='lowrider' post='195316' date='May 26 2009, 08:12 PM']The Eagles backfield isnt the same. [b] Westbrook isnt what he used to be and he wasnt that good of a runner to begin with.[/b] And he is hitting 30 in september. I'd like to see how Flacco improves before say that the the Eagles passing game is better than the Ravens. I think the Eagles will be better but it wont be by much.

I'm not saying that our young offensive linemen wouldnt test the free agency. But I am saying that one more year together and one more year experience will help those players drastically. And our whole offensive line improving drastically is more important than one position on the line improving drastically.

I'm not talking about the hall of fame here for McNabb. He is a great player. I think if he had a running game and a little help at reciever he would have won a super bowl. Im glad i dont have to decide to put him in the hall of fame or not. Thats hard to decide.

There is a big difference in giving and recieving hits. Thats why running backs careers are so short. Doesnt mean you cant get hurt hitting someone. That was one of the only complaints people had about vick when he played. They thought mobile quarterbacks would get hurt too often. Which McNabb was. And if you think that Dawkins wasnt an important leader on that team i dont know what team your watching. Dawkins has been steady throughout his career. Do you honestly think the team looks to McNabb after the TO situation with him?(not saying it was McNabbs fault, TO is crazy) But still when drama is caused by a "leader", he isnt going to be looked up to as much as someone who isnt involved with stuff.

The Giants imploded so that doesnt mean that cant get it back? The Eagles did and they got it back to make a run in the playoffs. Losing Derrick ward is not that big of a deal. Jacobs is more important.

If Brady is 80 percent of what he used to be then that team is still one of the top 3 teams. The backup for Matt Leinhart in college helped the Patriots win 11 games. That just blows my mind. Brady isnt a mobile quarterback. The knee injury wont affect him that much imo. he doesnt need that speed.

Steelers played the Cardinals. Who beat the Eagles. I guess the Eagles got an easy run in the playoffs too. Steelers were very good. You have to be a little lucky to win the super bowl. And they played a tough Ravens team that gave them hell all year. Steelers didnt have an easy run. They were good.[/quote]
1,300 yds and 14 TDs isn't that good?(in 14 games)
Westbrook is far better of a RB than anyone the Ravens have ever had at that position.(has more TDs than any player in Ravens history)
Flacco could be a one year wonder(its happened many times)while McNabb is one of the best in the league.
Don't even compare the Ravens offense to Philly's as it not even debatable and as for the defenses(#2 and #3).
You have your opinion,but do not think that for 1 minute the Ravens offense is even comparable to the Eagles.
Who on the Ravens offense do teams have to worry let alone game plan for?

[darklight1216]

[quote name='pick-ups' post='195317' date='May 26 2009, 11:29 PM']1,300 yds and 14 TDs isn't that good?(in 14 games)
Westbrook is far better of a RB than anyone the Ravens have ever had at that position.(has more TDs than any player in Ravens history)
Flacco could be a one year wonder(its happened many times)while McNabb is one of the best in the league.
Don't even compare the Ravens offense to Philly's as it not even debatable and as for the defenses(#2 and #3).
You have your opinion,but do not think that for 1 minute the Ravens offense is even comparable to the Eagles.
[b]Who on the Ravens offense do teams have to worry let alone game plan for?[/b][/quote]
I don't know, ask the Eagles.

[lowrider]

[quote name='pick-ups' post='195317' date='May 26 2009, 11:29 PM']1,300 yds and 14 TDs isn't that good?(in 14 games)
Westbrook is far better of a RB than anyone the Ravens have ever had at that position.(has more TDs than any player in Ravens history)
Flacco could be a one year wonder(its happened many times)while McNabb is one of the best in the league.
Don't even compare the Ravens offense to Philly's as it not even debatable and as for the defenses(#2 and #3).
You have your opinion,but do not think that for 1 minute the Ravens offense is even comparable to the Eagles.
Who on the Ravens offense do teams have to worry let alone game plan for?[/quote]
Westbrook a better all around player than anything the Ravens got like I said. But he is not a better running back than the three headed monster. He has only two seasons over a thousand yards rushing. And now he is 30. His numbers are going to drop. When the Ravens played Philly McClain did work. We dont have one single player better than Westbrook but the combination of our running game is better. I'm just saying, one year older for Flacco and our oline and one year older for McNabb and Westbrook. There isnt going to be that big of a gap between the two offenses

[DocMartin]

Who cares about the rankings? Nobody.
They always get them wrong.
You can keep up with your rankings, I will look at stats in winning column.
And btw. there was one team, that made Pittsburgh Squeelers look pretty bad,
so I say Remember the TITANS.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='DocMartin' post='195990' date='May 30 2009, 01:07 AM']Who cares about the rankings? Nobody.
They always get them wrong.
You can keep up with your rankings, I will look at stats in winning column.
And btw. there was one team, that made Pittsburgh Squeelers look pretty bad,
so I say Remember the TITANS.[/quote]
And the Eagles and the Giants... and yet the Steelers still won in the end.

[DocMartin]

[quote name='darklight1216' post='195992' date='May 30 2009, 01:11 AM']And the Eagles and the Giants... and yet the Steelers still won in the end.[/quote]

Yes, Squeelers got beat by Eagles and Giants, not by many points. Titans crushed them and beat them so bad,
that it was over early in 3rd quarter, I would say almost complete domination. So, I would rank Titans up there,
higher than Eagles of course.

[DocMartin]

[quote name='pick-ups' post='195317' date='May 26 2009, 11:29 PM']1,300 yds and 14 TDs isn't that good?(in 14 games)
Westbrook is far better of a RB than anyone the Ravens have ever had at that position.(has more TDs than any player in Ravens history)
Flacco could be a one year wonder(its happened many times)while McNabb is one of the best in the league.
Don't even compare the Ravens offense to Philly's as it not even debatable and as for the defenses(#2 and #3).
You have your opinion,but do not think that for 1 minute the Ravens offense is even comparable to the Eagles.
Who on the Ravens offense do teams have to worry let alone game plan for?[/quote]

HAHAHAHAHA Pick-ups?
What you been smoking ??? Westbrook better than what? Most of TD's you reffering to he caught , not ran. Hey, we all
know why your Beagles always pass on 1 yard line, three or four times, because if they try to run it in, they would loose the yards,
or the ball, or both ?!!! no matter who carries the ball??? And what was the score last time we play the Beagles? 36-7 or something like that. Oh, it was actually so bad, that Andy Reid pulled McNabb out of the game, I guess because of your "powerfull" ofense was just tearing up our defense, right? Beagles can't even win their own division, so just dream about the Superbowl.

[pick-ups]

[quote name='DocMartin' post='196161' date='May 30 2009, 10:56 PM']Yes, Squeelers got beat by Eagles and Giants, not by many points. [b]Titans crushed them and beat them so bad,
that it was over early in 3rd quarter,[/b] I would say almost complete domination. So, I would rank Titans up there,
higher than Eagles of course.[/quote]
The Titans led the Steelers 17-14 in the 4th qtr,so I do not know which game you were watching.
The Steelers had more yds and time of possession and the main reason they lost was of the 4th qtr turnovers.
Now in the playoffs the Titans dominated the Ravens in the same fashion the Steelers did only they too turned the ball over(quite a few in the red-zone)or that game could of gotten ugly for the Ravens.
Titans-391yds
Ravens-211
Titans had the ball 10 minutes more than the Ravens.
The Titans were moving the ball at will,while the Ravens offense which relies on the running game(which was shut down 50 yds total)struggled.

When the Steelers played the Eagles they were held to a season lows(180 yds total/6pt{no TDs}) and gave up a season high(9 sacks).
I know that you don't know what it looks like to completely dominate the Steelers,but that game was pretty bad(ask any Steeler fans).
The Steelers defense is real tough and w/o Westbrook the Eagles offense was only able to muster 15 pts,but that all you need when your defense allows only 2 FGs and no trips into the red-zone the entire 2nd half.

Now thats being defensively dominated..

[pick-ups]

[quote name='DocMartin' post='196169' date='May 30 2009, 11:19 PM']HAHAHAHAHA Pick-ups?
What you been smoking ??? Westbrook better than what? Most of TD's you reffering to he caught , not ran. Hey, we all
know why your Beagles always pass on 1 yard line, three or four times, because if they try to run it in, they would loose the yards,
or the ball, or both ?!!! no matter who carries the ball??? And what was the score last time we play the Beagles? 36-7 or something like that.Oh, it was actually so bad, that Andy Reid pulled McNabb out of the game[b]It was during half time when McNabb was pulled(down 10-7)and actually that was the best thing that the Eagles/Reid could've done as it turned the Eagles season around[/b], I guess because of your "powerfull" ofense was just tearing up our defense, right? Beagles can't even win their own division, so just dream about the Superbowl.[b]The Eagles have won their division 5 of the last 8 years and they beat the division winning team(Giants)twice in their stadium to prove who was better.Can the Ravens say the same about their division winner?NO,but the Eagles also embarrassed your division winner as did the Giants.[/b][/quote]
The Eagles have a tendency of playing down to their level of competition as the Giants/Cowboys and Ravens were the only teams to beat them with a winning record and they after the benching of McNabb made up in dominating fashion for those losses against the Giants and Cowboys.
The Eagles were a roller-coaster ride last year(getting swept by the Redskins and tying the Bengals)and I still remember that they were only a 9-6-1 team.

Like I've said before and that is the Eagles are by no means world beaters as I'm might be making them out to be,but they have made moves in the off-season that leans toward the belief that they've improved.

What have the Ravens added because I know what they lost?(Scott and Ryan).
Didn't hear much about your draft outside of Oher(good addition).

[smashmouth]

[quote name='pick-ups' post='196179' date='May 31 2009, 05:38 AM']The Titans led the Steelers 17-14 in the 4th qtr,so I do not know which game you were watching.
The Steelers had more yds and time of possession and the main reason they lost was of the 4th qtr turnovers.
Now in the playoffs the Titans dominated the Ravens in the same fashion the Steelers did only they too turned the ball over(quite a few in the red-zone)or that game could of gotten ugly for the Ravens.
Titans-391yds
Ravens-211
Titans had the ball 10 minutes more than the Ravens.
The Titans were moving the ball at will,while the Ravens offense which relies on the running game(which was shut down 50 yds total)struggled.

When the Steelers played the Eagles they were held to a season lows(180 yds total/6pt{no TDs}) and gave up a season high(9 sacks).
[font="Arial Black"]I know that you don't know what it looks like to completely dominate the Steelers[/font],but that game was pretty bad(ask any Steeler fans).
The Steelers defense is real tough and w/o Westbrook the Eagles offense was only able to muster 15 pts,but that all you need when your defense allows only 2 FGs and no trips into the red-zone the entire 2nd half.

Now thats being defensively dominated..[/quote]

In 2006 we beat the Steelers in 57-7 in both games. YEAH we dont have any clue what it means to completley dominate them. Get your facts straight before you start talking smack. "in 2008 we didnt know nothing about dominating the Steelers" is something around about you should have said.

[Beninato]

[quote name='smashmouth' post='196209' date='May 31 2009, 01:21 PM']In 2006 we beat the Steelers in 57-7 in both games. YEAH we dont have any clue what it means to completley dominate them. Get your facts straight before you start talking smack. "in 2008 we didnt know nothing about dominating the Steelers" is something around about you should have said.[/quote]

That poster acts like the Steelers dominate us every time we play them. When in essence, almost every time we battle Pittsburgh it's a close game.

[pick-ups]

[quote name='smashmouth' post='196209' date='May 31 2009, 10:21 AM']In 2006 we beat the Steelers in 57-7 in both games. YEAH we dont have any clue what it means to completley dominate them. Get your facts straight before you start talking smack. "in 2008 we didnt know nothing about dominating the Steelers" is something around about you should have said.[/quote]
I was referring to what someone said about the Steelers being dominated in `08 by the Titans

What does `06 have to do with `08?(Steelers didn't even make the playoffs in `06)
Ravens had a great season until the playoffs started and the Colts came to town.

Yeah the Ravens and Steelers do provide for some great football,but as of now the Steelers have had the Ravens number in all this seasons meetings.

[Beninato]

[quote name='pick-ups' post='196214' date='May 31 2009, 01:53 PM']I was referring to what someone said about the Steelers being dominated in `08 by the Titans

What does `06 have to do with `08?(Steelers didn't even make the playoffs in `06)
Ravens had a great season until the playoffs started and the Colts came to town.

[b]Yeah the Ravens and Steelers do provide for some great football,but as of now the Steelers have had the Ravens number in all this seasons meetings.[/b][/quote]

Yeah, unfortunately. But there really no better match-up in the NFL when it comes to Steelers/Ravens. Cowboys/Eagles and Bears/Packers are probably the only other two I would put on par or a tiny bit ahead of Ravens/Steelers.

[Strangebru]

[quote name='WACKO4FLACC0' post='194107' date='May 20 2009, 06:05 PM']ok but here is the thing.... your going to take the NYG out of the 3rd spot???? You cant take out NE...and you definitely cant take out PIT

Also McCoy is going play the same spot Westbrook is in.... so they are going to have to share the playing time...plus Westbrook is injury prone... Also Westbrook and Jackson were on the team last year when they went 9-6-1

And only 1 TD for Jackson last year.[/quote]
I think you can take the Patriots out of the top 3.

They have Tom Brady, a great QB, returning in his first year after a major knee surgery, and his back up that played remarkably well last year is now playing for another team. Look at Carson Palmer after he had major knee surgery, because of an injury in the playoffs the year before, he had 19 sacks losing 105 yards in 2005, 32 sacks losing 233 yards in 2006. I know that Tom Brady has always been a pocket passer and never known to be a scrambling QB, but his mobility will be even further hampored than it was previous years. I also know that the patriots have one of the best O-lines in the NFL, but they also allowed Tom Brady to get injured in the first quarter of the first game of the season last year. Things happen and because of that I think Tom Brady won't be as successful as he was in 2007. If his back up is able to come in and be as successful as Matt Cassel, then it will prove, to me at least, that the Patriots have a very good system for any QB to be successful in, and that diminshes some of what Tom Brady has accomplished in New England. To a point Matt Cassel has already done that.