So Tired Of Suggs

[neepo13]

[quote name='BloodRaven' post='191183' date='May 9 2009, 12:27 PM']Lol. If your boss wanted you to sign a contract to take 75% of what youre currently [b]making/worth[/b], would you sign it to be a team player?[/quote]

What is Suggs worth exactly? Thats the problem here. We dont know how close the deal Ozzie offered is to Suggs market value, just like we dont know how close his asking price is to it. This wouldnt be the first time that a player over estimated his value, *cough* Ray Lewis *cough*. Just like it wouldnt be the first time that Ozzie tried to lowball a player. I think we need to wait it out and see what happens before we jump to conclusions. There are two sides to every story, and we have neither, right now.

[52Kia Kaha92]

^ very welll said although there where reports from reliable sources saying he turned down 31 mil guaranteed and IMO he aint worth more than that

Suggs to SF for there first, 3rd and 2011 3rd and 5th

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='neepo13' post='191354' date='May 10 2009, 01:55 AM']What is Suggs worth exactly? Thats the problem here. We dont know how close the deal Ozzie offered is to Suggs market value, just like we dont know how close his asking price is to it. This wouldnt be the first time that a player over estimated his value, *cough* Ray Lewis *cough*. Just like it wouldnt be the first time that Ozzie tried to lowball a player. I think we need to wait it out and see what happens before we jump to conclusions. There are two sides to every story, and we have neither, right now.[/quote]

Hes worth what the market value and demand dictates. If he believes the contract doesnt reflect that then hes within his right to refuse.

If a players productivity declines, he gets released or signs a restructured contract to take [b]what hes worth.[/b]

When a player is elite and gets paid less than hes worth, he's within his rights to hold out and demand more.

This happens. Its nothing new. Get over it.

[neepo13]

[quote name='BloodRaven' post='191356' date='May 10 2009, 03:39 AM']Hes worth what the market value and demand dictates. If he believes the contract doesnt reflect that then hes within his right to refuse.

If a players productivity declines, he gets released or signs a restructured contract to take [b]what hes worth.[/b]

When a player is elite and gets paid less than hes worth, he's within his rights to hold out and demand more.

This happens. Its nothing new. Get over it.[/quote]

That went way over your head. I am not taking any side, so dont tell me to get over it. The point is neither side knows what the market value for Suggs is because he has not been on the market yet. Suggs could be over estimating his value, just like Ozzie could be underestimating it. If 31 million figure up front is right, are there any teams that are going to pay more then that for him? Without all the he said he said and speculation, we dont know. Market value and demand... what is that for Suggs?

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='neepo13' post='191360' date='May 10 2009, 03:51 AM']That went way over your head. I am not taking any side, so dont tell me to get over it. The point is neither side knows what the market value for Suggs is because he has not been on the market yet. Suggs could be over estimating his value, just like Ozzie could be underestimating it. If 31 million figure up front is right, are there any teams that are going to pay more then that for him? Without all the he said he said and speculation, we dont know. Market value and demand... what is that for Suggs?[/quote]

Oops, what I said is a generalization that still applies as a statement but I mistakenly attatched it to you because I couldnt be bothered reading your wall-o-rant. Ive been starting to lose patience here considering the shocking lack of logic and football knowledge.

[Yatagarasu]

Be patient...

There could be a possibility that Suggs might sign after Ozzie locks up Gaither and Ngata.

[DBOWSRAVENS]

Look, this guy is pretty good and could come at a cap friendly price and was let go because the rams enjoy top 10 picks in the draft and not because of lack of production on his part. Why should we grab him? To allow suggs to move on and give another team the headache of resigning him. As much as I hate the fact that I am bringing this up, I hate the fact that he is getting over on the team more! Him not signing that tender or a long term deal to get out of camp for the second year straight makes me question his loyalty to us. Yes he did offer to give us a [i]home-town discount [/i]but still has yet to[b] [u]sign a deal with us[/u][/b]. So lets deal him to the cardinals for boldin. Even though I have been against boldin coming here because of no cap space and a need to resign suggs I am beginning to like the trade now. Here's why: Suggs is accounted for 10 mil against the cap, tinoisamoa is a good talent that could replace suggs or compete for the middle backer spot allowing the top loser to move outside and replace suggs. Then we can afford to resign mason, landry, hopefully ngata and troy then boldin to long term deals. If suggs stops fooling around and signs a deal today that is cap friendly forget I said anything but if he continues to play these mind games then let him go and let pisa come in and help us get to that Superbowl.
Trade suggs and a first round pick for boldin and there 2nd round pick. This is not stupid cuz we would have the 32nd pick in the draft and the cards most likely will be under 500 without boldin making that pick almost even with that first round we sent them.

[url="http://www.nfl.com/players/pisatinoisamoa/profile?id=TIN225467"]Tinoisamoa's career stats[/url]

[Jesse Conroy]

Dream big?

[DBOWSRAVENS]

[quote name='Jesse Conroy' post='191401' date='May 10 2009, 11:32 AM']Dream big?[/quote]
sometimes

[ravensandhoos]

Suggs is worth more than Boldin. I'd agree with you if it was Suggs and our 2nd for Boldin and the Card's 1st.

[Reddawn36]

or just suggs for boldin and there second

[rastaman831226]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' post='191369' date='May 10 2009, 07:52 AM']Be patient...

There could be a possibility that Suggs might sign after Ozzie locks up Gaither and Ngata.[/quote]


Two years in negotiations is patience, three years in negotiation is holding up the train. My take is that "Hometown Discount" Suggs will sign his franchise tender late into camp, come in shape ,but not football shape, play out the season, then leave the Ravens F.O. and fans high and dry during the no-cap offseason in 2010. I'm a big fan of Suggs, but realistically, I chafe at the way he's painted Ozzie, the organization, and the fan base into a corner with his contract demands especially after giving so much lip service to the national and local media about the contract situation of other players prior to and post 2008 season. It's high time "Hometown Suggs" either put up or shut the F up. This "Hometown Discount Terrell Slow Screw" has gone on way too long.

[ravens27]

[quote name='jj2020' post='191352' date='May 10 2009, 02:41 AM']Do not forget he played hurt as well. I am not in the business of calling people [b]retarted[/b] but any one who would get rid of Suggs rightly deserves the title. PAY THE MAN AND MOVE ON.[/quote]

retarded?

[kash96ravenstotalfan]

Here's my take on the Suggs signing. He is an integral part of our D. He played injured last season. He is a warrior and is the type of player the Ravens love to have on the roster. I don't think that anyone can argue that Suggs is not a probowl player. IMO he is more important to the team then Boldin. Ravens need to offer him a contract that validates him as an elite player. We are not in a position to lose any D players if we are looking to win the SB

[theFRANCHISE]

Bottom line? This, too, shall pass.

"I hate Terrell Suggs, he's such a whiner, he needs to take his money and play!" "I love Terrell Suggs, he's too valuable to the team, he shouldn't be forced to take less!"

Suggs this, Suggs that. It's a [i]contract[/i], people; it's in no way a reflection of Suggs' character or loyalty to his teammates. Money is, and will always be, the one thing that puts these professional athletes in a negative light -- in spite of (or, in some cases, alongside) what they've done. Things like this get blown out of proportion, and then once the situation is resolved one way or the other, people will forget about it.

How many people really remember Chris McAlister's contract dispute from a few years ago? (Other than the people who mentioned it)

What about rumors that Ray Lewis was contemplating leaving Baltimore after the 2005 season? What about Todd Heap supposedly wanting to play for his hometown Cardinals ([i]before[/i] Suggs made similar comments)?

Suggs is the last thing any of us should be worrying about when it comes to this team. No one would voluntarily sit for a whole season just because they didn't get the contract they wanted. The franchise tag is on the table, and either he signs it or holds out. But if he holds out for the entire season, it's his loss since he'll be missing out on a decent paycheck if he signs the tender. Also, by holding out into the regular season, it reflects poorly on his business relationship with the team, and makes the team less inclined to cave and give him what he wants.

Suggs and his agent aren't stupid; we'll see T-Sizzle in a #55 purple jersey for at least one more year.

[RavensIQ]

The only way I'd be happy with seeing Suggs go, is if it was for Anquan Boldin + their 1st...AND we turned around and traded that 1st for Julius Peppers. But given the $$ he wants we might as well sign Suggs...So unless the impossible happens, Suggs will be a Raven and I will continue to root for him.

Someone tells me I could potentially make a couple extra Million $$ by holding out, guess what? I'm holding out and to be honest, I could give a care less to what my fans thought about it. Unless, my fans were willing to support my family for the rest of their lives?

[Numatic]

ok Franchise you need to slim down your response. Suggs wants to be here and he wants that long term deal that's why he's holding out. I really doubt its a money thing because either way he's set for life. He already is set for lifemoney becomes valueless when you get the amount professional athletes are getting because there is only so much it will buy

[ROH522155]

[quote name='Numatic' post='191529' date='May 10 2009, 08:28 PM']ok Franchise you need to slim down your response. Suggs wants to be here and he wants that long term deal that's why he's holding out. I really doubt its a money thing because either way he's set for life. He already is set for lifemoney becomes valueless when you get the amount professional athletes are getting because there is only so much it will buy[/quote]

never call out the Franchise!

[BuckWilds]

[quote name='Numatic' post='191529' date='May 10 2009, 09:28 PM']ok Franchise you need to slim down your response. Suggs wants to be here and he wants that long term deal that's why he's holding out. I really doubt its a money thing because either way he's set for life. He already is set for lifemoney becomes valueless when you get the amount professional athletes are getting because there is only so much it will buy[/quote]

Hahaha.

I suggest you not worry so much about other posters and worry more about what you're posting.

[neepo13]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' post='191524' date='May 10 2009, 08:58 PM']Bottom line? This, too, shall pass.

"I hate Terrell Suggs, he's such a whiner, he needs to take his money and play!" "I love Terrell Suggs, he's too valuable to the team, he shouldn't be forced to take less!"

Suggs this, Suggs that. It's a [i]contract[/i], people; it's in no way a reflection of Suggs' character or loyalty to his teammates. Money is, and will always be, the one thing that puts these professional athletes in a negative light -- in spite of (or, in some cases, alongside) what they've done. Things like this get blown out of proportion, and then once the situation is resolved one way or the other, people will forget about it.

How many people really remember Chris McAlister's contract dispute from a few years ago? (Other than the people who mentioned it)

What about rumors that Ray Lewis was contemplating leaving Baltimore after the 2005 season? What about Todd Heap supposedly wanting to play for his hometown Cardinals ([i]before[/i] Suggs made similar comments)?

Suggs is the last thing any of us should be worrying about when it comes to this team. No one would voluntarily sit for a whole season just because they didn't get the contract they wanted. The franchise tag is on the table, and either he signs it or holds out. But if he holds out for the entire season, it's his loss since he'll be missing out on a decent paycheck if he signs the tender. [b]Also, by holding out into the regular season, it reflects poorly on his business relationship with the team, and makes the team less inclined to cave and give him what he wants.[/b]
Suggs and his agent aren't stupid; we'll see T-Sizzle in a #55 purple jersey for at least one more year.[/quote]

Not only that but if he doesnt sign the tender or get a long term deal done, unless we release him, he doesnt become an URFA. Eventually, he'll be here to play, whether he wants to or not.

[Numatic]

well i like to read other posts but not the ones that are unbelievably long besides i thought what i said is valid.

[neepo13]

[quote name='Numatic' post='191548' date='May 10 2009, 10:27 PM'][b]well i like to read other posts but not the ones that are unbelievably long[/b] besides i thought what i said is valid.[/quote]

lol. I can understand that. It all depends on, who posted it for me.

[Guest FLACCO5]

I've really been thinking about this Suggs contract...........and i've been asking myself why isn't Ozzie being flexible, but i'm starting to think that it's suggs just being greedy.

[darklight1216]

And why did you feel the need to start another topic on it?

[Bullrush]

Everybody's greedy when it comes to money. The organization is, so are the players.

We don't have much money. Suggs wants a big contract. It's not that hard to figure out why they haven't been able to get a deal done. There's no money left, it's that simple.

[52Kia Kaha92]

could you not of put this in the other thread???

This should be locked

[neepo13]

There is a discussion about this going on here:

[url="http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/index.php?showtopic=9213"]http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/index.php?showtopic=9213[/url]

And its really not a long thread.

[CustomUserName]

[quote name='FLACCO5' post='191570' date='May 10 2009, 11:39 PM']I've really been thinking about this Suggs contract.[/quote]

I stopped reading right there.

[Guest FLACCO5]

WOULD YOU LOKE A MEDAL FOR THAT.

[WRX123]

I dont have a problem with the proven vetrens not coming to camp. He is holding out just so he does not have to come to camp which i have no prob with. As long as he shows up in shape and ready to play, no probs here. I am sure the coaches told him the same thing. I am sure they said "look, we know you are going to hold out so you dont ave to come to camp, as long as you come back in shape and ready to play we are fine. If you show up out of shape and sloppy, you will lose your spot. " I think he will sing his tender as soon as camp is over.