Pryce

[ravensfan2430]

I was looking at Trevor Pryce's statistics since he has joined the ravens. His first season 2006 he put up great numbers, but the last 2 season have not been spectacular. Right now i think he is our biggest whole on the line. I am hoping Mcclain, or kruger can step up and be a great pass rushers for as give and us a duel threat on the ends.

What do you guys think?

[Alexir]

That's why we drafter Kruger.

[jezzy]

pryce is old hes a 2 down de n i exspect someone other then kruger will plug in here n there maybe edwards or bannan cuz kruger wont be that good yet hell be mainly on special teams

[ravensfan2430]

[quote name='Alexir' post='188744' date='Apr 30 2009, 11:17 PM']That's why we drafter Kruger.[/quote]

i think kruger may see a few more snaps toward the end of the season, but i think he needs to put on a little weight.

[theFRANCHISE]

Pryce's value on the field isn't measured in stats anymore; it's his size and his ability to take on multiple blockers. Even though he isn't racking up the sacks like he used to, he's actually gotten in the backfield quite a few times last season and missed the QB by just a step. The pressure he provides is still valuable to the team, at least until Kruger or someone else is ready to take his job full-time.

[Sizzle]

There is no doubt pryce is geting old but have you seen any ravens games lately??? he is the first to get of the line then he does a little 2 step move and walla he is in he does it so fast its unbelievable for a big guy like him. I know he doesn't get the tackles but he takes on 2 blocker so guys like ray do the job he knows his role on the team because he is a veteran and fits perfectly on the team. Am i the only one that sees TP doing all this stuff? By the way guys it hasn't been set where Kruger is going to play it could be OLB or LE takes atleast 2 year to develop in to his role maybe 1 for him cause i think he has too much talent to be siting on the bench. AND the coaches are really high on Dwan edwards so he is probobly going to take on that role. He accually started a bunch of games in 07 before his injury, 08 was supposed to be his year.

[Ravens52]

This past season he did great taking on blockers and got tons of pressure. The season before he broke his wrist and was playing with one arm basically.

[Fred Sanford]

That man still has a great swim move. You definitely want him in the middle on 3rd down. He trains like crazy, that old body still has a couple years in it. He's still crazy fast for a guy that big, even at fifty three years old.

[rastaman831226]

[quote name='Sizzle' post='188762' date='Apr 30 2009, 10:47 PM']There is no doubt pryce is geting old but have you seen any ravens games lately??? he is the first to get of the line then he does a little 2 step move and walla he is in he does it so fast its unbelievable for a big guy like him. I know he doesn't get the tackles but he takes on 2 blocker so guys like ray do the job he knows his role on the team because he is a veteran and fits perfectly on the team. Am i the only one that sees TP doing all this stuff? By the way guys it hasn't been set where Kruger is going to play it could be OLB or LE takes atleast 2 year to develop in to his role maybe 1 for him cause i think he has too much talent to be siting on the bench. AND the coaches are really high on Dwan edwards so he is probobly going to take on that role. He accually started a bunch of games in 07 before his injury, 08 was supposed to be his year.[/quote]

It should be also noted that teams do not run at Pryce and with good reason, the guy's a monster on the line and it's not Ngata who commands double teams and combo blocks on passing downs- it's Pryce as it has been since the day he became a Raven.

[52Kia Kaha92]

Are you serious, Pryce is still a monster
I was just watching the ravens playoff run and i was amazed at Pryce, he takes on two guys and alows others to get to the Quarterback. When he is left on his own with a lineman he blitzes right through and gets a lot of pressures. The guy is still a monster and a key part of our pass rush

[BloodRaven]

Pryce for whatever reason, no longer gets sacks. Pressures and hits are cute and all but ability to sack the QB at the clutch is important. He still does a good job but Ravens D isnt about being good, its about being[i] elite[/i].

[smashmouth]

I've been saying this for a while. The guy is still great at run support, but we need more pressure. He should be used as a 2 down linemen. He does get double team'd. But not every passing down, they shift His way depending on what the center see's. Funny thing is when Suggs rushes more then half the time He's not doubled. And Ngata does draw a double team on more then half of the time.

[edreedfromtheu]

Talk to the defensive ends about the lack of sacks. Don't get mad at Pryce and Ngata. They are supposed to control the middle so the QB can't just step up and have a straight run up the middle when the pressure comes from the ends. Problem is... it hasn't been coming from the ends very often. And that is because we only have 1 DE... and that is Suggs. Most teams just double him... and that takes care of that. We need to get someone on the other side! And having some corners NOT named Frank Walker might actually buy the pass rush a little bit of time to get there. C-Mac and Rolle hid our problems at defensive end for a long time. But now C-Mac is gone, and Rolle might not even be starting. Hopefully our pass rush is better... because with Roethlisberger... Manning... and Brady... they are going to have to get to the QB quickly!

And yeah, Pryce is vital. I think once the team was beyond help so early in 2007... it was hard for a veteran like him to make it through the rest of the season. If we start off well this year, it will really help guys like him and Ray out.

[ravensfan160]

Haven't any of you noticed how much he is getting held? It only got worse when AT left. No disrespetc to Jarret Johnson cause hes a great player at run support but he isn't the pass rusher Adalus Thomas was. Now teams pay more attention to Pryce and since he isn't the typical flashy pass rusher the holding penalties aren't called.

[H8R]

TP is an animal, he demands two guys from the Oline on the regular, he does not get off of black as well as he used to but is still a force. I don't see Kruger adding enough bulk in one season to handle the load. As said above, he needs to pick up about 20 lbs at his height to have the force of getting past NFL tackles.

[ravensfan160]

[quote name='H8R' post='188815' date='May 1 2009, 08:33 AM']TP is an animal, he demands two guys from the Oline on the regular, he does not get off of black as well as he used to but is still a force. I don't see Kruger adding enough bulk in one season to handle the load. As said above, he needs to pick up about 20 lbs at his height to have the force of getting past NFL tackles.[/quote]
I don't think Ozzie ever said anything about Kruger being Pryce's long term replacement. I think that was the media. Kruger looks more like a future star OLB for us. If anything I see him taking Johnson's spot at linebacker and Johnson replacing Pryce. He is a converted lineman afterall.

[slugz1]

[quote name='ravensfan2430' post='188743' date='Apr 30 2009, 11:16 PM']I was looking at Trevor Pryce's statistics since he has joined the ravens. His first season 2006 he put up great numbers, but the last 2 season have not been spectacular. Right now i think he is our biggest whole on the line. I am hoping Mcclain, or kruger can step up and be a great pass rushers for as give and us a duel threat on the ends.

What do you guys think?[/quote]
pryce has been double teamd and held all year long thats why the decline in stats he getts there either the Qb throws it away or he miss the takle by a sidestep. so he's still effective. One On One he will beat that match-up any day he used to play db in high school.

[baltiMORE RAVENS]

[quote name='ravensfan160' post='188818' date='May 1 2009, 08:40 AM']I don't think Ozzie ever said anything about Kruger being Pryce's long term replacement. I think that was the media. Kruger looks more like a future star OLB for us. If anything I see him taking Johnson's spot at linebacker and Johnson replacing Pryce. He is a converted lineman afterall.[/quote]

Eric Decosta and Greg Mattison both mentioned the fact that Kruger could bulk up and become the replacement for T.Pryce. They also said that in the meantime, he could play some OLB too. This is all being said before mini camps, so I think the staff will have a better idea of what to do with him once he goes through the offseason. I read an article that said this will be Kruger's first full offseason as a defensive player, so this guy can be molded into whatever. He has tremendous upside.

[mhead66]

[quote name='ravensfan160' post='188814' date='May 1 2009, 08:31 AM']Haven't any of you noticed how much he is getting held? It only got worse when AT left. No disrespetc to Jarret Johnson cause hes a great player at run support but he isn't the pass rusher Adalus Thomas was. Now teams pay more attention to Pryce and since he isn't the typical flashy pass rusher the holding penalties aren't called.[/quote]
With all due respect...

To say Pryce's sacks have fallen off because teams are holding him now... is silly.

Pryce had 4.5 sacks in 16 games. Suggs had 8.5. Why wouldn't OLinemen "hold" Suggs more than Pryce? Why did Demarcus Ware get 20 sacks, James Harrison get 16 sacks? If Olinemen could affect passrushers' stats by selectively holding, why wouldn't they hold Ware & Harrison, like they do Pryce?

He's not a "special" holding target, he's just getting older.

[samic]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' post='188759' date='Apr 30 2009, 11:42 PM']Pryce's value on the field isn't measured in stats anymore; it's his size and his ability to take on multiple blockers. Even though he isn't racking up the sacks like he used to, he's actually gotten in the backfield quite a few times last season and missed the QB by just a step. The pressure he provides is still valuable to the team, at least until Kruger or someone else is ready to take his job full-time.[/quote]

Franchise, thank you so much for saying this. People don't understand that there is a lot more to a game than just stats. Putting pressure on a QB and collapsing the pocket is just as important as getting a sack. These things can force bad decisions by a QB, make him throw and interception, throw his timing off with his receivers or force an incompletion. People need to listen to what the team is saying about having Trevor healthy for an entire season. Ask Suggs what it meant to him to have Trevor for the whole season.

[Chi_Town_Raven]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' post='188759' date='Apr 30 2009, 10:42 PM']Pryce's value on the field isn't measured in stats anymore; it's his size and his ability to take on multiple blockers. Even though he isn't racking up the sacks like he used to, he's actually gotten in the backfield quite a few times last season and missed the QB by just a step. The pressure he provides is still valuable to the team, at least until Kruger or someone else is ready to take his job full-time.[/quote]
Half the time he misses the QB, it results in an interception.

[Mahatma_Sloth]

Pryce is a QB pressure cooker and still preforms at a high lvl and like most of our guys makes those around him better. I have afeeling that the poster just checked some stats really quick(tackles and sacks) and thats not fair to trevor cuz he is a role player before he is a superstar on this team. and remember he broke his wrist and still played, he missed out on like 6 or 7 sacks cuz he couldn't wrap up because of his cast

[Marc2k6]

A lot of people were calling for us to draft a WR, this is why we drafted a DE! We have a greater need for a DE for more pressure of the edge.

[lowrider]

[quote name='Marc2k6' post='188842' date='May 1 2009, 11:21 AM']A lot of people were calling for us to draft a WR, this is why we drafted a DE! We have a greater need for a DE for more pressure of the edge. [/quote]
couldnt have said a more true statement

[justifythegame]

[quote name='ravensfan2430' post='188743' date='Apr 30 2009, 11:16 PM']I was looking at Trevor Pryce's statistics since he has joined the ravens. His first season 2006 he put up great numbers, but the last 2 season have not been spectacular. Right now i think he is our biggest whole on the line. I am hoping Mcclain, or kruger can step up and be a great pass rushers for as give and us a duel threat on the ends.

What do you guys think?[/quote]
pryce has been injured the last 2 years. he also has been getting double teamed alot after his first incredible season with us. Suggs is supposed to help with that but he was below average during pryce's second year and was worse at pass rushing than pryce and then last year suggs was dropping into coverage alot so pryce wasn't getting much help, and half the time suggs did rush the qb, he was okay but not as good as he was in 2006. suggs isn't an elite OLB anyway. but Pryce was an elite DE in 06 but maybe kruger can help with our pass rush allowing pryce to make more plays again.

[T-Sizzle55]

[quote name='ravensfan2430' post='188743' date='Apr 30 2009, 11:16 PM']I was looking at Trevor Pryce's statistics since he has joined the ravens. His first season 2006 he put up great numbers, but the last 2 season have not been spectacular. Right now i think he is our biggest whole on the line. I am hoping Mcclain, or kruger can step up and be a great pass rushers for as give and us a duel threat on the ends.

What do you guys think?[/quote]

Pryce is a 3-4 DE and his main role is to eat up blocks and demand double teams in order to let our LBs run free and make plays. When we used more 4-3 formations in 2006, he led the team with 12.5 sacks. He still performed well ranking 3rd on the team in sacks and according to interviews from other players he was being held literally every play becuase no one could contain him without cheating!

[T-Sizzle55]

[quote name='Chi_Town_Raven' post='188830' date='May 1 2009, 10:43 AM']Half the time he misses the QB, it results in an interception.[/quote]

So True!!

[lowrider]

[quote name='justifythegame' post='188899' date='May 1 2009, 02:44 PM']pryce has been injured the last 2 years. he also has been getting double teamed alot after his first incredible season with us. Suggs is supposed to help with that but he was below average during pryce's second year and was worse at pass rushing than pryce and then last year suggs was dropping into coverage alot so pryce wasn't getting much help, and half the time suggs did rush the qb, he was okay but not as good as he was in 2006. suggs isn't an elite OLB anyway. but Pryce was an elite DE in 06 but maybe kruger can help with our pass rush allowing pryce to make more plays again.[/quote]
You're being kind of hard on Suggs who made it to his third bowl in 2008. Suggs isn't an elite OLB? Really? And you're defending a 34 year old that got 4.5 sacks last year and rushes the qb every play? Suggs is in coverage half the time and got almost twice as many sacks as Price.

[sporaven]

Rex liked to use our linebackers to get the sacks, not our D-linemen
teams counter this by getting rid of the ball faster
that's why we had the most picks in the league
but it's a trade off; if they didn't get rid of the ball faster, they would get sacked more

[moe]

[quote name='ravensfan2430' post='188743' date='Apr 30 2009, 11:16 PM']I was looking at Trevor Pryce's statistics since he has joined the ravens. His first season 2006 he put up great numbers, but the last 2 season have not been spectacular. Right now i think he is our biggest whole on the line. I am hoping Mcclain, or kruger can step up and be a great pass rushers for as give and us a duel threat on the ends.

What do you guys think?[/quote]

If you have the capacity watch our game tapes then you will appreciate the man. When he went down the season before the last so did our season. The reason why you don