Arizona/baltimore Rumor

[Alexir]

Do you think the Cardinals' releasing James and LaBoy is for an attempt to trade for Suggs? It seems (SEEMS) that the front office hasn't been making any ground with the contract and that we have turned our attention to Gaither. Also, we did draft Paul Kruger who will most likely be an OLB for us. Is a Boldin for Suggs trade going to happen due to a stalemate of contract talks on both sides?

I hate these speculation topics like most but this Baltimore/Arizona conspiracy seems quite possible.

[Alexir]

Or do you think they are just freeing up room for Beanie and Cody?

[ravens27]

[Camcamthecoachingman]

Suggs isn't going anywhere. He's a former first rounder and his relationship with the front office seems to be just fine. Ozzie has never been one to use a truely talented player as trade bait.

So I say we end all speculation about a suggs trade until someone fromt he organization confirms it.

[neepo13]

Actually, Suggs hasnt signed his tender, so we are not even allowed to discuss trading him with another team.

[Alexir]

Yeah, I just hope that radio interview he did last season (first time he was tagged) about him wanting to join the Cardinals didn't start something.

[url="http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/33057"]http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/33057[/url]

I hope we do sign him, but to something realistic. I don't think he deserves the kind of money he thinks he does. DeMarcus Ware's 20 sacks in a season deserves some praise.

[darklight1216]

Those releases are probably to make room in order to sign Anquan Boldin to a longer contract.

[url="http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d810076c4"]http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d810076c4[/url]

Edit: What does Ware's playoff run say?

[SupaBwandin]

Yeah, the Cards made those releases to sign Dansby, the franchised LB, to free up some cap room, then ultimately work on a deal for Boldin.

[Alexir]

[quote name='darklight1216' post='188407' date='Apr 29 2009, 04:41 PM']Those releases are probably to make room in order to sign Anquan Boldin to a longer contract.

[url="http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d810076c4"]http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d810076c4[/url]

Edit: What does Ware's playoff run say?[/quote]

you cant honestly say Suggs is better than Ware because he won 2 games in the playoffs....

[Alexir]

[quote name='SupaBwandin' post='188408' date='Apr 29 2009, 04:43 PM']Yeah, the Cards made those releases to sign Dansby, the franchised LB, to free up some cap room, then ultimately work on a deal for Boldin.[/quote]

change your sig, don't think he will be throwin to DHB this year unless the raiders make him a DB

[SupaBwandin]

Lol, yeah ill change my sig when I get home later.

[Sizzle]

I thought laboy was pretty good.

[Lets_Go_Joe]

[quote name='darklight1216' post='188407' date='Apr 29 2009, 04:41 PM']Those releases are probably to make room in order to sign Anquan Boldin to a longer contract.

[url="http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d810076c4"]http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d810076c4[/url]

Edit: What does Ware's playoff run say?[/quote]
That is like saying Flacco is better than Peyton Manning because he won 2 playoff games to Manning's 0 last season. Just because a team doesn't make it as far doesn't mean that the individual player is bad. Ware is >> Suggs, I am sorry, he just is point blank. Suggs is good and deserves to get paid, but nothing crazy.

[Alexir]

[quote name='Lets_Go_Joe' post='188422' date='Apr 29 2009, 05:22 PM']That is like saying Flacco is better than Peyton Manning because he won 2 playoff games to Manning's 0 last season. Just because a team doesn't make it as far doesn't mean that the individual player is bad. Ware is >> Suggs, I am sorry, he just is point blank. Suggs is good and deserves to get paid, but nothing crazy.[/quote]

There's a first...I actually agree with Lets_Go_Joe!

[PurpleChaos]

[quote name='Alexir' post='188373' date='Apr 29 2009, 03:36 PM']Do you think the Cardinals' releasing James and LaBoy is for an attempt to trade for Suggs? It seems (SEEMS) that the front office hasn't been making any ground with the contract and that we have turned our attention to Gaither. Also, we did draft Paul Kruger who will most likely be an OLB for us. Is a Boldin for Suggs trade going to happen due to a stalemate of contract talks on both sides?

I hate these speculation topics like most but this Baltimore/Arizona conspiracy seems quite possible.[/quote]
"yawns"

[frank cambra]

[quote name='Alexir' post='188390' date='Apr 29 2009, 03:55 PM']I hope we do sign him, but to something realistic. I don't think he deserves the kind of money he thinks he does. [b]DeMarcus Ware's 20 sacks in a season deserves some praise.[/b][/quote]

A high number of sacks isn't everything you want from an OLB, Terrel Suggs is the whole package and can do everything he needs to well

[Alexir]

[quote name='frank cambra' post='188459' date='Apr 29 2009, 08:19 PM']A high number of sacks isn't everything you want from an OLB, Terrel Suggs is the whole package and can do everything he needs to well[/quote]

Um...Yeah, yeah it is. We need pass rushers and no one rushes the passer likes Ware.

[mhead66]

[quote name='frank cambra' post='188459' date='Apr 29 2009, 08:19 PM']A high number of sacks isn't everything you want from an OLB, Terrel Suggs is the whole package and can do everything he needs to well[/quote]
Well, compare stats:

Last year:
Suggs 68 tackles, 8 sacks
Ware 84 tackles, 20 sacks

Last 3 years
Suggs 212 tackles, 22.5 sacks
Ware 239 tackles, 45.5 sacks

What does Suggs do, as part of the "whole package", that overcomes the difference in stats between him and Ware?

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='mhead66' post='188463' date='Apr 29 2009, 08:52 PM']Well, compare stats:

Last year:
Suggs 68 tackles, 8 sacks
Ware 84 tackles, 20 sacks

Last 3 years
Suggs 212 tackles, 22.5 sacks
Ware 239 tackles, 45.5 sacks

What does Suggs do, as part of the "whole package", that overcomes the difference in stats between him and Ware?[/quote]

pass coverage, I think we'll see double digits at least from him this season... if not idk

[Ravnet]

Freeing room for Suggs would be an incredibly stupid move on the part of Arizona because he isn't going anywhere.

[RoflDogs]

They are obviously freeing room for Boldin and Dansby.... -.-,

[Marc2k6]

Maybe we should just sign Plaxico and make a deal with N.Y. that we will build a jail cell at Raven's HQ. 20 hour look down with 4 hour practice and work out time with in the HQ and work release for game time!

[ChiseBack(CB)]

[quote name='mhead66' post='188463' date='Apr 30 2009, 10:52 AM']Well, compare stats:

Last year:
Suggs 68 tackles, 8 sacks
Ware 84 tackles, 20 sacks

Last 3 years
Suggs 212 tackles, 22.5 sacks
Ware 239 tackles, 45.5 sacks

What does Suggs do, as part of the "whole package", that overcomes the difference in stats between him and Ware?[/quote]
Suggs clogs running lanes and makes a ton of important tackles near the line. They are both talented in pass coverage and rushing the passer, stats don't tell the whole story. They are similar in that they are two of the best run defending WOLB's in the league and yet still get a lot of sacks and pressures.

I'd be elated to have either one on the team but I'm not going to say Ware is better than Suggs after one of Wares better seasons. Honestly there isn't a whole lot of difference in talent.

On topic:
LaBoy played poorly with Arizona and showed that like Antwan Odom (The other rotational Titan's DE that was signed by Cincinnati) that neither are capable of handling a starting job.

Edge had been asking for a release since Tim Hightower took over the starting HB spot, his contract was too big to keep as a backup and the drafting of Chris Wells sealed the deal.

Roderick Hood played well last season (If not a bit inconsistent) but ultimately wasn't a starting corner. Hood is still young (28) and is a talented corner back who should find a job before the start of the season.

I imagine the releases were done to free up cap room to re-sign Anquan Boldin, Karlos Dansy and Adrian Wilson.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='ChiseBack(CB)' post='188512' date='Apr 30 2009, 01:30 AM']Suggs clogs running lanes and makes a ton of important tackles near the line. They are both talented in pass coverage and rushing the passer, stats don't tell the whole story. They are similar in that they are two of the best run defending WOLB's in the league and yet still get a lot of sacks and pressures.

I'd be elated to have either one on the team but I'm not going to say Ware is better than Suggs after one of Wares better seasons. Honestly there isn't a whole lot of difference in talent.

On topic:
LaBoy played poorly with Arizona and showed that like Antwan Odom (The other rotational Titan's DE that was signed by Cincinnati) that neither are capable of handling a starting job.

Edge had been asking for a release since Tim Hightower took over the starting HB spot, his contract was too big to keep as a backup and the drafting of Chris Wells sealed the deal.

Roderick Hood played well last season (If not a bit inconsistent) but ultimately wasn't a starting corner. Hood is still young (28) and is a talented corner back who should find a job before the start of the season.

I imagine the releases were done to free up cap room to re-sign Anquan Boldin, Karlos Dansy and Adrian Wilson.[/quote]

Rushing linebackers in a 3-4 usually arent great in run defense, Suggs is one of the few exceptions.

[b]Now heres the important part[/b], when he started he was a pure pass rusher and had better sack numbers, but was a bit of a liabilty against the run. So to becomes a more balanced player in his own words he admitted he "had to sacrifice some pass rush ability". Hes like a 3rd inside LB who can pass rush.

[jezzy]

suggs for boldin aint worth it as much as i like boldin to be a raven to give up suggs who never really misses games and a top lb in the game for wr who always get hurt just aint worth it to me

[SUPERBOWLorBUST]

[quote name='jezzy' post='188544' date='Apr 30 2009, 12:02 PM']suggs for boldin aint worth it as much as i like boldin to be a raven to give up suggs who never really misses games and a top lb in the game for wr who always get hurt just aint worth it to me[/quote]

I agree. I'll still give up a 1st, but not Suggs.

[52Kia Kaha92]

im not a fan of the straight swap because then who starts at OLB, IMO they would have to give us Boldin and Dockett for Suggs as that gives us a pass rush but still i really hope we dont trade sizzle, i want him to retire a raven

[mhead66]

[quote name='Reddawn36' post='188469' date='Apr 29 2009, 09:24 PM']pass coverage, I think we'll see double digits at least from him this season... if not idk[/quote]
Suggs hasn't had double digit sacks the last 4 seasons...

[justifythegame]

[quote name='Alexir' post='188373' date='Apr 29 2009, 03:36 PM']Do you think the Cardinals' releasing James and LaBoy is for an attempt to trade for Suggs? It seems (SEEMS) that the front office hasn't been making any ground with the contract and that we have turned our attention to Gaither. Also, we did draft Paul Kruger who will most likely be an OLB for us. Is a Boldin for Suggs trade going to happen due to a stalemate of contract talks on both sides?

I hate these speculation topics like most but this Baltimore/Arizona conspiracy seems quite possible.[/quote]
first edge sucks and is over rated. he was once good thanks to peyton manning, same reason why i think addai is over rated too. and if they release players to make cap room, they release them to make room to resign boldin. why would you cut players before making a trade, if anything you make the trade and then cut players to renegotiate a contract. and last but not least, the cards are said to have the 3rd more cap room in the nfl. cap isn't an issue to this team whether the cut players or sign new ones.

I'm all for trading suggs for boldin. suggs ain't worth 75 mil or maybe even over 100 (if he is still asking to be the highest paid meaning over haynesworth), but the cards have been rumored to decline any package the would involve suggs because they do not want to have to renogotiate a contract according to suggs demands - because they too dont feel he is worth it. and second they would have to trade us boldin and draft picks to land suggs, which they are not willing to do. pass rushers are hard to find and suggs is too expensive to trade for, and suggs was a top 10 draft pick, 26 years old, and will ask to be paid the highest defensive player contract in the nfl, its too high a price for them. While Boldin's value has dropped with him having played only one or two full seasons, extremely injury prone, 29 years old, and WR values being worth much less than pass rushers (except in the ravens case in terms of drafting )

[kris21054]

[quote name='justifythegame' post='188728' date='Apr 30 2009, 10:51 PM']first edge sucks and is over rated. he was once good thanks to peyton manning, same reason why i think addai is over rated too. and if they release players to make cap room, they release them to make room to resign boldin. why would you cut players before making a trade, if anything you make the trade and then cut players to renegotiate a contract. and last but not least, the cards are said to have the 3rd more cap room in the nfl. cap isn't an issue to this team whether the cut players or sign new ones.

I'm all for trading suggs for boldin. suggs ain't worth 75 mil or maybe even over 100 (if he is still asking to be the highest paid meaning over haynesworth), but the cards have been rumored to decline any package the would involve suggs because they do not want to have to renogotiate a contract according to suggs demands - because they too dont feel he is worth it. and second they would have to trade us boldin and draft picks to land suggs, which they are not willing to do. pass rushers are hard to find and suggs is too expensive to trade for, and suggs was a top 10 draft pick, 26 years old, and will ask to be paid the highest defensive player contract in the nfl, its too high a price for them. While Boldin's value has dropped with him having played only one or two full seasons, extremely injury prone, 29 years old, and WR values being worth much less than pass rushers (except in the ravens case in terms of drafting )[/quote]


dude u need to read up on stuff about suggs asking prices and cardinals cap space and all