Raiders...

[Ozzsome]

I think the Oakland Raiders have the worst GM and draft experts in the whole nation i mean do this guys have scouts? or is al davis the only scout on this team?

if i would be an oakland raiders fan i wouldnt be an oakland raiders fan, cause they pick always the same guys i mean in the last 7 years all first round picks ran under 4.34 in the 40 yard dash

and the guy they took with their 2nd round pick this safety mike mitchell, who is he i never heard of him before

shame on you raiders fans

[Purple Nurple]

.......I feel so bad for my buddy, a Raiders fan. After seeing their "grade" in the draft, he's seriously praying for Al Davis to die.

[Shawn`]

Yeah I really don't know what's going on there in Oakland.

DHB for Crabtree? I mean if you don't want Crabtree, which I don't know why, at least go with the 2nd best receiver!

[Ozzsome]

[quote name='Purple Nurple' post='187670' date='Apr 27 2009, 10:28 PM'].......I feel so bad for my buddy, a Raiders fan. After seeing their "grade" in the draft, he's seriously praying for Al Davis to die.[/quote]
i can understand your buddy, is there somehow any chance that the raiders get rid off al davis?

[Ozzsome]

[quote name='Shawn`' post='187672' date='Apr 27 2009, 10:30 PM']Yeah I really don't know what's going on there in Oakland.

DHB for Crabtree? I mean if you don't want Crabtree, which I don't know why, at least go with the 2nd best receiver![/quote]
i dont know how long this guy now makes the decisions for oakland but in such a long time didnt he get it that drafting the fastest players in the combine is bad, and never pans out

[Shawn`]

[quote name='Ray The Day' post='187680' date='Apr 27 2009, 03:36 PM']i can understand your buddy, is there somehow any chance that the raiders get rid off al davis?[/quote]

Nope, he owns them.

That's like employee's getting rid of the owner of the company. The only way it'll happen is if Al gives up the Raiders

[Devastat1on]

[quote name='Shawn`' post='187672' date='Apr 27 2009, 04:30 PM']Yeah I really don't know what's going on there in Oakland.

DHB for Crabtree? I mean if you don't want Crabtree, which I don't know why, at least go with the 2nd best receiver![/quote]

If Al Davis had any idea what he was doing, he would have dealt the pick to move around 15 and acquire more picks with the trade.. Hed be able to snag DHB there while getting more picks.. 15 still would have been a reach in my opinion, but its better than taking him where they did..

[Ozzsome]

[quote name='Shawn`' post='187683' date='Apr 27 2009, 10:40 PM']Nope, he owns them.

That's like employee's getting rid of the owner of the company. The only way it'll happen is if Al gives up the Raiders[/quote]
bad for the raiders fans, they will have to wait maybe 10 years or so ( i dont now how long al will be doing this)


does he want to make the raiders the worst team in the NFL?

[Shawn`]

[quote name='Ray The Day' post='187693' date='Apr 27 2009, 03:54 PM']bad for the raiders fans, they will have to wait maybe 10 years or so ( i dont now how long al will be doing this)


does he want to make the raiders the worst team in the NFL?[/quote]

He's got a long ways to go before he makes it to the worst (Detroit) but it sure looks like he's aiming for it

[Devastat1on]

[quote name='Shawn`' post='187703' date='Apr 27 2009, 05:09 PM']He's got a long ways to go before he makes it to the worst (Detroit) but it sure looks like he's aiming for it[/quote]

I disagree. Detroit had a nice little draft acquiring Stafford, Pettigrew, and WR Derrick Williams.. I wouldnt be surprised it Detroit had a better record than Oakland this coming year..

[Shawn`]

Well Oakland did get the best receiver in the draft.


....Oh wait

[Purple Nurple]

[quote name='Ray The Day' post='187693' date='Apr 27 2009, 04:54 PM']bad for the raiders fans, they will have to wait maybe 10 years or so ( i dont now how long al will be doing this)


does he want to make the raiders the worst team in the NFL?[/quote]

Quoted from the Al Davis Wikipedia page........


"In 2007, Davis sold a minority stake in the Raiders for $150 million[3] and said that he would not retire until he wins two more Super Bowls or dies of natural cause."

He'll be 80 in July.

[Metalmilitia]

Let me start by saying I am a die hard Raider fan, and I don't agree 100% with all of the picks this year.

Crabtree did not want to be in Oakland, and had "diva" tendancies. Think T.O. without the production (in the NFL). Add to that the scheme he played in, which is very WR friendly, and he would not have panned out as a Raider.

DHB is grateful to be drafted in the first round, let alone as the first WR in this draft. He has said he wants to work hard and prove Al Davis right by picking him. Add to that the fact that he played in a more realistic offense (with crappy surrounding cast) and the coaches think they can coach him to be that deep threat that Jamarcus Russell needs. Will he be better than Crabtree? We'll find out in a few years. At worst the Raiders picked him 10 picks ahead of where he was projected to go (I think it was projected as pick 15-25). He was still a first round talent.

In round 2, we traded back and let some other players slip away. We drafted Michael Mitchell with pick #47. His stock rose after he ran a 4.43 and a 4.49 40-yd dash at is pro day. Al Davis, of course, loves a 6'1" 220 lb safety that runs that fast. Funny thing is, this came up right after the pick. [quote]David Haugh of the Chicago Tribune reports that the Bears had already called Mitchell and told him they were planning to take him with their second-round pick. The Bears were picking 49th, and they ended up trading the pick when the Raiders selected Mitchell 47th.[/quote]
So Mr. Davis grabbed what he wanted before someone else could. If you haven't seen his highlight video yet, you should check it out. A lot of his good plays were against big schools like Ohio State. [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0e4yTwmHyc"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0e4yTwmHyc[/url]
Only time will tell if he turns into the next Ronnie Lott/Jack Tatum or the next Derrick Gibson. But after seeing that highlight video and reading all of his comments, I am willing to give him a fair chance.


As for the rest of the draft, the Raiders drafted a lot of character guys that work hard. These guys want to be in the NFL, and will work their asses off to stay in the league. Cable is sure of the core of the team. He really likes what we have. I am going to have to accept that he knows the team and the scheme better than I do. I know the new draftees won't step in and start immediatly, but I am sure they will contribute in some way. I can live with character picks, especially after seeing the premadonnas from the last few years falter and fail in almost every way.

Go Raiders!

[Devastat1on]

[quote name='Metalmilitia' post='187840' date='Apr 27 2009, 09:03 PM']Let me start by saying I am a die hard Raider fan, and I don't agree 100% with all of the picks this year.

Crabtree did not want to be in Oakland, and had "diva" tendancies. Think T.O. without the production (in the NFL). Add to that the scheme he played in, which is very WR friendly, and he would not have panned out as a Raider.

DHB is grateful to be drafted in the first round, let alone as the first WR in this draft. He has said he wants to work hard and prove Al Davis right by picking him. Add to that the fact that he played in a more realistic offense (with crappy surrounding cast) and the coaches think they can coach him to be that deep threat that Jamarcus Russell needs. Will he be better than Crabtree? We'll find out in a few years. At worst the Raiders picked him 10 picks ahead of where he was projected to go (I think it was projected as pick 15-25). He was still a first round talent.[/quote]

I think Nicks may be the only receiver i havent seen called a diva.. I think comparing Crabtree to T.O. is unfair.. Crabtree has done nothing to show hes anything like T.O. except make plays on the field.. I also dont think DHB is first round talent.. For a guy who had 42 catches for 609 yards and 5 TDs, that certainly shouldnt be enough to be the first WR taken.. Unless Al Davis is picking.. When you compare him to other guys like Maclin and Crabtree who had over 100 rec and well over 1000 yards.. For the numbers DHB posted, i think he should have been a third round pick if that.. Al Davis got distracted by speed like he always seems to and decided to take DHB.. I just think DHB in the top 10, let alone first round is crazy.. DHB drops too many passes to be taken where he did..

Kenny Britt and Hakeem Nicks also didnt have great talent around them.. It may have been a bit better, but they still put up well over 1,000 yards each and over 60 receptions each without dropping as many passes as DHB did.. DHB isnt very solid on his route running and just one of those guys whos gonna be a project and take a few years to develop..

[Metalmilitia]

[quote name='Devastat1on' post='187854' date='Apr 27 2009, 09:23 PM']I think Nicks may be the only receiver i havent seen called a diva.. I think comparing Crabtree to T.O. is unfair.. Crabtree has done nothing to show hes anything like T.O. except make plays on the field.. I also dont think DHB is first round talent.. For a guy who had 42 catches for 609 yards and 5 TDs, that certainly shouldnt be enough to be the first WR taken.. Unless Al Davis is picking.. When you compare him to other guys like Maclin and Crabtree who had over 100 rec and well over 1000 yards.. For the numbers DHB posted, i think he should have been a third round pick if that.. Al Davis got distracted by speed like he always seems to and decided to take DHB.. I just think DHB in the top 10, let alone first round is crazy.. DHB drops too many passes to be taken where he did..

Kenny Britt and Hakeem Nicks also didnt have great talent around them.. It may have been a bit better, but they still put up well over 1,000 yards each and over 60 receptions each without dropping as many passes as DHB did.. DHB isnt very solid on his route running and just one of those guys whos gonna be a project and take a few years to develop..[/quote]

I'm not completely disagreeing with you, but I do have a few things to say.

Crabtree got kicked out of Cleveland for his attitude. He said "no comment" when asked about the Raiders, which in itself is no big deal, but he answered questions about being with any of the other teams picking in the top 10. I do agree that it is a little unfair to compare him to T.O.'s attitude, so my appologies for that. Crabtree and Maclin were both part of a spread offensive scheme that had stronger QBs and quicker reads. The Harrell and Daniel were much better QBs than...whoever that guy at Maryland was. Also Maryland was a very run heavy team, without as many opportunities for DHB to get the ball.

Yes, he dropped passes.
Yes, his route running was questionable at times.

He works hard and has a great attitude. He is working on his hands. He now has a QB with one of the strongest arms in the modern game. He blocks down field. He catches over the middle.

All of the "experts" had him graded as a first rounder. He is raw, with a ton of upside. All I am really trying to say is that the stats don't tell the whole story. Look at the WRs from Hawaii last year. Did any of them get drafted? I know for a fact one of them had better stats than Crabtree. I would look it up and provide links, but I have to get ready for work haha.

[thewarden86]

Crabtree's uncle reacts to the Raiders not picking his nephew:

[img]http://www.cagop.org/userfiles/NoToRaiders.JPG[/img]

[size=7][b]"Whew!"[/b][/size]

[Devastat1on]

[quote name='Metalmilitia' post='187880' date='Apr 27 2009, 09:52 PM']I'm not completely disagreeing with you, but I do have a few things to say.

Crabtree got kicked out of Cleveland for his attitude. He said "no comment" when asked about the Raiders, which in itself is no big deal, but he answered questions about being with any of the other teams picking in the top 10. I do agree that it is a little unfair to compare him to T.O.'s attitude, so my appologies for that. Crabtree and Maclin were both part of a spread offensive scheme that had stronger QBs and quicker reads. The Harrell and Daniel were much better QBs than...whoever that guy at Maryland was. Also Maryland was a very run heavy team, without as many opportunities for DHB to get the ball.

Yes, he dropped passes.
Yes, his route running was questionable at times.

He works hard and has a great attitude. He is working on his hands. He now has a QB with one of the strongest arms in the modern game. He blocks down field. He catches over the middle.

All of the "experts" had him graded as a first rounder. He is raw, with a ton of upside. All I am really trying to say is that the stats don't tell the whole story. Look at the WRs from Hawaii last year. Did any of them get drafted? I know for a fact one of them had better stats than Crabtree. I would look it up and provide links, but I have to get ready for work haha.[/quote]

I absolutely wouldnt doubt that a Hawaii receiver had better stats than Crabtree.. Hawaii runs the ball about 5% of the time so that wouldnt surprise me.. I agree with you, that him saying "no comment" was proof in itself that he didnt want to play in Oakland i just felt it was unfair to compare him to T.O for that.

Daniel and Harrell were better than the guys at Maryland, but i pointed out Nicks and Britt as having similar talent, not Crabtree and Maclin.. Teel(RUT) and Yates(NC) arent bad, but I will admit Britt would get the quarterback edge.

I understand the experts graded him as a firth round pick, but i also disagree with the experts.. I understand they see potential, but i cant get over the stats.. The UDFA WR the ravens picked up Eron Riley from Duke had better numbers than DHB and hes the same size, speed, and has better hands but he went undrafted.. My point is that i dont think DHBs numbers are enough..

[Metalmilitia]

I don't think he was worth a first, but there were really only 6 or 7 people worth a 1st round pick this year in my opinion. I don't agree with all the trashing of the Raiders because of them "reaching". If it were the Patriots, or the Colts drafting these guys at the same pick, then everyone would be sucking them off. Instead it's the Raiders so Davis must be crazy. I think that is the point I was trying to get across.

[Devastat1on]

[quote name='Metalmilitia' post='187921' date='Apr 27 2009, 11:27 PM']I don't think he was worth a first, but there were really only 6 or 7 people worth a 1st round pick this year in my opinion. I don't agree with all the trashing of the Raiders because of them "reaching". If it were the Patriots, or the Colts drafting these guys at the same pick, then everyone would be sucking them off. Instead it's the Raiders so Davis must be crazy. I think that is the point I was trying to get across.[/quote]

I understand where you're coming from.. I do agree with what you're saying though.. Even if it was New England or Indy, i still wouldnt agree with the pick in the first.. I'd be saying the same thing im saying now about DHB..

[Metalmilitia]

By the way, how is that Fabian Washington guy working out for you? Still having the same lapses in judgment on the field, and getting torched by double moves?

[neepo13]

[quote name='Devastat1on' post='187902' date='Apr 27 2009, 10:47 PM']I absolutely wouldnt doubt that a Hawaii receiver had better stats than Crabtree.. Hawaii runs the ball about 5% of the time so that wouldnt surprise me.. I agree with you, that him saying "no comment" was proof in itself that he didnt want to play in Oakland i just felt it was unfair to compare him to T.O for that.

Daniel and Harrell were better than the guys at Maryland, but i pointed out Nicks and Britt as having similar talent, not Crabtree and Maclin.. Teel(RUT) and Yates(NC) arent bad, but I will admit Britt would get the quarterback edge.

I understand the experts graded him as a firth round pick, but i also disagree with the experts.. I understand they see potential, but i cant get over the stats.. The UDFA WR the ravens picked up Eron Riley from Duke had better numbers than DHB and hes the same size, speed, and has better hands but he went undrafted.. My point is that i dont think DHBs numbers are enough..[/quote]

I dont think the comparison is fair now but it is a potential red flag. If a guy's attitude is bad enough for a team, to pass on him, even though he is probably the most talented guy in the draft that says something.

[Ozzsome]

[quote name='Metalmilitia' post='187959' date='Apr 28 2009, 10:14 AM']By the way, how is that Fabian Washington guy working out for you? Still having the same lapses in judgment on the field, and getting torched by double moves?[/quote]
i think fabian is a pretty solid corner for us, really like this guy
i think he has a good future ahead of him

[Nevermore52]

If I were Crabtree, I would have been rude to the Raiders too. Why would you want to go play for the Raiders? Since the Raiders went to the Super Bowl, they have the least wins in the league. Now consider the fact that Detroit spotted them all of last year. At least the Lions made changes and have a little hope of the horizon. I think the Raiders are in the tank as long as Davis is in charge. If he was smart, and he isn't, he would get himself a good GM and try to get some of the Raider mystique back.

Poor Raider and Bengal fans. Death by ownership.

[shaikh015]

[quote name='Ray The Day' post='188002' date='Apr 28 2009, 10:56 AM']i think fabian is a pretty solid corner for us, really like this guy
i think he has a good future ahead of him[/quote]


This guy is a prime example of someone the Raiders coached up with the speed and all...Then just let him walk away!!!!!

[shaikh015]

I think they were thinking that DHB speed alone will eliminate 2 people from the oposing teams defense a saftey and a Cornerback..Therefore leaving 1 TE or WR man to man or even wide open at times......Giving Ja Marcus Russell an easy target in the deep backfield...

I still think the the raiders are the developmental (league) team of the NFL.........

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='shaikh015' post='188072' date='Apr 28 2009, 03:35 PM']I think they were thinking that DHB speed alone will eliminate 2 people from the oposing teams defense a saftey and a Cornerback..Therefore leaving 1 TE or WR man to man or even wide open at times......Giving Ja Marcus Russell an easy target in the deep backfield...

I still think the the raiders are the developmental (league) team of the NFL.........[/quote]

i consider them the retirement home rofl

[theblackdog]

[quote name='thewarden86' post='187892' date='Apr 27 2009, 10:26 PM']Crabtree's uncle reacts to the Raiders not picking his nephew:

[size=7][b]"Whew!"[/b][/size]

[/quote]

When I saw that pick on the jumbo screen, I mistook Crabtree for Heyward Bey and thought he was pissed that he was going to the Raiders. Did you see how Crabtree didn't react for a few seconds, then suddenly looks towards the camera and became more animated?

[neepo13]

[quote name='Metalmilitia' post='187959' date='Apr 28 2009, 04:14 AM']By the way, how is that Fabian Washington guy working out for you? Still having the same lapses in judgment on the field, and getting torched by double moves?[/quote]

Fabian is working out quite well for us. He struggles against bigger wideouts and drops pick after pick but he's got great man coverage skills, which is all he is needed for.

[Lets_Go_Joe]

[quote name='neepo13' post='189156' date='May 2 2009, 12:03 PM']Fabian is working out quite well for us. He struggles against bigger wideouts and drops pick after pick but he's got great man coverage skills, which is all he is needed for.[/quote]
Yeah, I'd say he worked out better than the signings of Javon Walker and Dante Hall for the Raiders a year ago, maybe they should have signed Fabian long term as opposed to Hall Ones mans trash is another mans treasure

[ravensfolife]

[quote name='Metalmilitia' post='187921' date='Apr 27 2009, 10:27 PM']I don't think he was worth a first, but there were really only 6 or 7 people worth a 1st round pick this year in my opinion. I don't agree with all the trashing of the Raiders because of them "reaching". If it were the Patriots, or the Colts drafting these guys at the same pick, then everyone would be sucking them off. Instead it's the Raiders so Davis must be crazy. I think that is the point I was trying to get across.[/quote]
it looks bad at first, but personally I see bust written all over crabtree. Also if Raiders were in the nfc they make the playoffs.