Grade The Ravens Draft

[Marc2k6]

[quote name='ravensorioleshoyas522155' post='187120' date='Apr 26 2009, 08:51 PM']people dont realize why our recievers are good in some games and not in others. its not that they arent talented either. let me clear this up. when we face teams like the steelers, giants, eagles, and the other great pass rushing defences we faced this past season, we had to max protect. which means that sometimes we would only be sending out 2 recievers which sucks especially when we face the steelers. the steelers dline applies great pressure by itself, so they dont have to blitz their backers as much which means that they would have multiple backers, their corners and safeties dropping back to cover our 2 recievers. not gonna work out for us. thats why picking up guys like Oher and blocking TEs who can let heap run routes so we dont have to max protect can actually help out the passing game more than picking up a reciever.

and as for the draft grade, i give it a solid B+[/quote]
You are right! It is hard to get open when there are only 2 WR's running routes and we are in Max Protect! This is why we needed to pick up Oher!

[ROH522155]

[quote name='Marc2k6' post='187122' date='Apr 26 2009, 08:54 PM']You are right! It is hard to get open when there are only 2 WR's running routes and we are in Max Protect! This is why we needed to pick up Oher![/quote]

exactly

[neepo13]

[quote name='Marc2k6' post='187113' date='Apr 26 2009, 08:45 PM']The top 3 Sexy pick's would have to be 1. QB, 2. WR and 3 RB. Anything else is just not sexy I guess. I think we had a good draft and I'm not concerned with WR. Wait until the season starts and see what our WR's do, then tell me we still need one![/quote]

Rey Maualuga was a sexy pick and he's a LB. And, imo, Matthew Stafford is, so not, a sexy pick.

[ROH522155]

[quote name='neepo13' post='187139' date='Apr 26 2009, 09:12 PM']Rey Maualuga was a sexy pick and he's a LB. And, imo, Matthew Stafford is, so not, a sexy pick. [/quote]


i have a feeling matt stafford is gonna be a bust

[Devastat1on]

Oher: A
Kruger: C+
Webb: B
Phillips: B
Drew: C
Peerman: B

Overall: B

My reasoning behind Kruger being a C+ is that i believe he may be a bit of a project.. Hes going to need some work if he wants to play DE.. For him to play DE, we need him to gain around 20-25 pounds, and with that, we have to hope he doesnt lose speed. Hes not very quick, running a 5.0 at the combine, and any additional weight may slow him down.. What i do like is that now we have more DL depth and can rotate in our DL players similar to how the Giants did on their super bowl run a year ago..

Im glad we filled certain needs in the draft, but im also upset that we didnt fill the need most important to Flacco's success. We needed a WR and we missed out on some great players.. Im not worried about our talent, my only worry is injuries to a WR.. We really dont have the depth to compensate for a loss.. What happens if Mason goes down? We really dont have anyone that can step up for his loss. Lets hope our WRs can stay injury free and prove me wrong if we do have an injury.

[mhead66]

1. Oher - an absolute steal at 23, and an anchor for years. [b]A+[/b]
2. Kruger - too light at 260 lbs to be a DE. If he gains 30 lbs, will that slow him down? A JJ clone perhaps, but unneeded with JJ, Barnes and McClain already at LB, each with pass rushing capability. A [b]C[/b], based on need vs. pick.
3. Webb - a 5'10" CB with somewhat questionable coverage skills. He was dismissed from Southern Miss. after '07 season - character issues? OK in a zone, but how different is he from what is already on the roster? [b]C-[/b]
4. Phillips - fast run stopper, but only 6'1 - will backup Bart Scott's replacement, probably Gooden. For 5th round value, a [b]B[/b].
5. Drew - a large, pass receiving TE - only knock is that Ravens already have Heap, Quinn & LJ - not a need, for a 5th rounder. Talent wise, a B, but pick-wise, a [b]C[/b].
6. Peerman - again, talent - but talent at a position where it wasn't a priority. Similar to Ray Rice in build, can receive and return kicks. [b]B[/b]

Talent added, but outside of Oher, it's the BPA vs. need argument...

A B- or C+ overall.

[Wacko4Zacko]

Idk why every is dissing on Kruger. We obivously picked him for a reaosn. Whether you like it or not, theres something we want from him and now were going to get it.

[futurerRaven]

im not sayin oher was a bad pick but kruger was a bad choice. hes going to have to gain about 25 pounds honestly we should have gotten one of the lighter DT, and moved them over had them lose 10 to 15 pounds and teach them to play the 3-4 DE which is different from a 4-3 DE. WR was a need, dont lie to your selves now we all saw it as a need before the draft. yes its the "sexy" pick but look at what we have the guys we have arent gonna cut it. Joe only trusts mason, really so they double him single every one else and 8 in the box our Offense doesnt function. The so called "sexy" pick is sometimes the Necessary pick. Just cuz your local prospect isnt going to be coming baq home every one jumped off the band wagon, study your team plenty of teams get open with 2 recievers stop being blind. I trust ozzie its an ok draft we filled needs yes happy all around, but the fact that you trust a bunch of guys who didnt prove anything last year and probobley wont prove anything again this year is preposterous, there were players we should have gotten Robiskie was definatley worth moving up to get. Your all in love with mason this kid is taller faster and has great route running ability and is a polished athlete if he had had another great season he would have been a solid number one he ran a 4.46 40 which isnt bad thats not slow its not 4.3 speed but not every great reciever runs a 4.3 40. Even in the "sexy" picks there are guys who deserve consideration iglesias again not a burner but you have to compensate for him. Had we made a move for barden he would have been a good redzone threat. you all see through purple colored glasses takem off and see your team with out bias ozzie is good but he does neglect the offense this draft should have been more offensive than defensive and ozzie ended up goin defensive again

[Chi_Town_Raven]

[quote name='RoflDogs' post='186997' date='Apr 26 2009, 05:11 PM']I do it based on pick and positional value[/quote]
Okay, well then I completely agree with you.

[ItFigurs16]

IMO, us now having the best O-line in the NFL is nothing short of amazing. Remember how the Giants manhandled us last year on the ground with their line? If we can do that to every team, with the D we have...we will be unstoppable. Especally with the risk of Flacco passing/running/catching

[Ravnet]

Someone please point out who should have been drafted in place of Kruger?

[ROH522155]

[quote name='futurerRaven' post='187156' date='Apr 26 2009, 08:34 PM']im not sayin oher was a bad pick but kruger was a bad choice. hes going to have to gain about 25 pounds honestly we should have gotten one of the lighter DT, and moved them over had them lose 10 to 15 pounds and teach them to play the 3-4 DE which is different from a 4-3 DE. WR was a need, dont lie to your selves now we all saw it as a need before the draft. yes its the "sexy" pick but look at what we have the guys we have arent gonna cut it. Joe only trusts mason, really so they double him single every one else and 8 in the box our Offense doesnt function. The so called "sexy" pick is sometimes the Necessary pick. Just cuz your local prospect isnt going to be coming baq home every one jumped off the band wagon, study your team plenty of teams get open with 2 recievers stop being blind. I trust ozzie its an ok draft we filled needs yes happy all around, but the fact that you trust a bunch of guys who didnt prove anything last year and probobley wont prove anything again this year is preposterous, there were players we should have gotten Robiskie was definatley worth moving up to get. Your all in love with mason this kid is taller faster and has great route running ability and is a polished athlete if he had had another great season he would have been a solid number one he ran a 4.46 40 which isnt bad thats not slow its not 4.3 speed but not every great reciever runs a 4.3 40. Even in the "sexy" picks there are guys who deserve consideration iglesias again not a burner but you have to compensate for him. Had we made a move for barden he would have been a good redzone threat. you all see through purple colored glasses takem off and see your team with out bias ozzie is good but he does neglect the offense this draft should have been more offensive than defensive and ozzie ended up goin defensive again[/quote]


who kept us from winning the division and getting a top seed and at least one home game in the playoffs. who kept us from the Super Bowl? the Steelers and the Steelers. if we coulve found a way to beat em. wed be super bowl champs right now. so i think the mindset heading into the offseason was do what we need to do to beat the Pittsburgh Steelers. and i think with what we did in this draft, we have accomplished that. well not completely yet but almost. by the time the steelers come to town on the sunday night, we will be ready. so i like everything weve done this offseason including this draft

[futurerRaven]

did i not make a statement about this ???? go read it is it to many words for you or something

[ROH522155]

[quote name='futurerRaven' post='187203' date='Apr 26 2009, 09:17 PM']did i not make a statement about this ???? go read it is it to many words for you or something[/quote]

youre speaking of Ravnet right?

[futurerRaven]

yes in my opinion and my opinion is based on numbers and tape and actually watching players robiskie had he been in an offense that actually passed this year he would be a 1st round pick the fact that he made it to the second round is just disrespectful to the athlete he is he runs a sub 4.5 40 has great hands has been around the game his whole life is the most polished wr in the draft as far as nfl ready played in a pro style defense and was always a part of the offense he in my opinion was worth trading ahead of the browns to get

[Devastat1on]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='187183' date='Apr 26 2009, 10:00 PM']Someone please point out who should have been drafted in place of Kruger?[/quote]

CB Sean Smith, DT Jarron Gilbert, and DE Michael Johnson.. WR Derrick Williams would have been a bit of a reach there though..

Im not against the Kruger pick, but those guys could have also been drafted had we not taken Kruger..

[Devastat1on]

[quote name='futurerRaven' post='187213' date='Apr 26 2009, 10:23 PM']yes in my opinion and [b]my opinion is based on numbers[/b] and tape and actually watching players robiskie had he been in an offense that actually passed this year he would be a 1st round pick the fact that he made it to the second round is just disrespectful to the athlete he is he runs a sub 4.5 40 has great hands has been around the game his whole life is the most polished wr in the draft as far as nfl ready played in a pro style defense and was always a part of the offense he in my opinion was worth trading ahead of the browns to get[/quote]

I dont understand how a WR that hasnt had a 1,000 yard season in college, should go in the first round and be expected to do just that in the NFL to be considered successsful..

[northsider]

Oher - could be a Pro Bowler; Ravens got a top 15 player
Kruger - I'm not a scout, but when I read the profile, I figured he was strictly a 4-3 DE. 2nd round seemed right for him, but there seemed to be other players that seem to fit the OLB profile better
Webb - regardless of how good he is (I have zero opinion on that), I just can't see how at this point the Ravens aren't making a move on a WR.
Philips - I actually really like this pick. They have no definite guy to step in to Bart's old job, so why not throw as many candidates at it as possible?
Drew - another guy that seems to have some nice tools, but doesn't (to me) seem to fit the the Ravens.
Peerman - I'm trying to figure out (short of a calamitous injury) how he has any chance of making the final roster

Oher - A
Rest of the draft, I'm gonna say C+
Overall, B-
Hitting on first rounders is great, but teams have to get excellent players in the 2nd and 3rd rounds as well. I'm a bit skeptical on Kruger and a bit more questioning of Webb. I don't understand how WR went totally ignored. It does appear that the way the selections went down with wide receivers took it out of consideration early which isn't Newsome's fault. I might be grading a bit harsh, but last year was such a success and I don't see how this year can possibly be compared favorably with last year's.

[Ed_Reed20]

I don't think anyone can accurately grade this draft till the picks have played at least one season. Who knows who will or won't pan out.

[theFRANCHISE]

I'll break it down in segments:

[quote name='futurerRaven' post='187156' date='Apr 26 2009, 09:34 PM']WR was a need, dont lie to your selves now we all saw it as a need before the draft. yes its the "sexy" pick but look at what we have the guys we have arent gonna cut it. Joe only trusts mason, really so they double him single every one else and 8 in the box our Offense doesnt function. The so called "sexy" pick is sometimes the Necessary pick.[/quote]
Again, what good is a WR if the QB is flat on his back? The main objective of the Ravens if they are to make a Super Bowl run next season is to beat the Steelers; after all, the Steelers are the defending champions and had the Ravens' number last year. In three meetings (including the playoffs) with Pittsburgh, Flacco was sacked 10 times; out of 35 total sacks for the year, that's roughly 28.6% of his sacks caused by just one team. Upon further examination, the Steelers forced 3 of Flacco's 11 fumbles on the year, accounting for 27.2% of his fumbles. Finally, the Steelers hurried Flacco into throwing 5 of his 15 total picks for the year, accounting for exactly a third of his interceptions in '08.

If the QB is to make good decisions and protect the football, then he needs to be protected himself. Michael Oher will help provide that protection. What good is a WR if there's no time to properly deliver the football?
[quote name='futurerRaven' post='187156' date='Apr 26 2009, 09:34 PM']you all see through purple colored glasses takem off and see your team with out bias ozzie is good but he does neglect the offense this draft should have been more offensive than defensive and ozzie ended up goin defensive again[/quote]
How has Ozzie neglected offense?

2009: 6 total players drafted; 3 offensive players taken.
2008: 10 total players drafted; 7 offensive players taken.
2007: 7 total players drafted; 5 offensive players taken.
2006: 10 total players drafted; 4 offensive players taken.
2005: 7 total players drafted; 5 offensive players taken.
2004: 7 total players drafted; 5 offensive players taken.
2003: 11 total players drafted; 6 offensive players taken.
2002: 10 total players drafted; 6 offensive players taken.

And so on and so forth. It's not as if the man isn't trying.

[futurerRaven]

well then dhb is a bust for that matter and so is brandon marshell and t.j. houshmandzadeh and u kno every other reciever who wasnt productive in the ncaa he had a 900 yard season the year before last he could have had 100 yard season this year had they not changed qb's he has the intangibles the good character the motor he's got everything the ravens ask for out of there players

[ROH522155]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' post='187231' date='Apr 26 2009, 09:35 PM']I'll break it down in segments:


Again, what good is a WR if the QB is flat on his back? The main objective of the Ravens if they are to make a Super Bowl run next season is to beat the Steelers; after all, the Steelers are the defending champions and had the Ravens' number last year. In three meetings (including the playoffs) with Pittsburgh, Flacco was sacked 10 times; out of 35 total sacks for the year, that's roughly 28.6% of his sacks caused by just one team. Upon further examination, the Steelers forced 3 of Flacco's 11 fumbles on the year, accounting for 27.2% of his fumbles. Finally, the Steelers hurried Flacco into throwing 5 of his 15 total picks for the year, accounting for exactly a third of his interceptions in '08.

If the QB is to make good decisions and protect the football, then he needs to be protected himself. Michael Oher will help provide that protection. What good is a WR if there's no time to properly deliver the football?

How has Ozzie neglected offense?

2009: 6 total players drafted; 3 offensive players taken.
2008: 10 total players drafted; 7 offensive players taken.
2007: 7 total players drafted; 5 offensive players taken.
2006: 10 total players drafted; 4 offensive players taken.
2005: 7 total players drafted; 5 offensive players taken.
2004: 7 total players drafted; 5 offensive players taken.
2003: 11 total players drafted; 6 offensive players taken.
2002: 10 total players drafted; 6 offensive players taken.

And so on and so forth. It's not as if the man isn't trying.[/quote]


good post

[Devastat1on]

[quote name='futurerRaven' post='187234' date='Apr 26 2009, 10:39 PM']well then dhb is a bust for that matter and so is brandon marshell and t.j. houshmandzadeh and u kno every other reciever who wasnt productive in the ncaa he had a 900 yard season the year before last he could have had 100 yard season this year had they not changed qb's he has the intangibles the good character the motor he's got everything the ravens ask for out of there players[/quote]

-I've always said DHB wasnt worth a first round pick..
-Housh was drafted in round 7, not round 1
-Marshall was drafted in round 4, not round 1

So comparing a guy who hasnt had a 1,000 yard college season and saying he should be a first rounder and then comparing him to guys who did the same, but were drafted in completely different rounds doesnt make sense.. I never said Robiskie would be a bust, i just said hes not worth a first round pick.. Ohio State also changed QBs for a reason.. Pryor brings way more to the table..

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='187183' date='Apr 26 2009, 10:00 PM']Someone please point out who should have been drafted in place of Kruger?[/quote]

That pick should have been packaged with something next year or a current player in order to land Boldin...

Overall, I give this draft a B-/C+

[futurerRaven]

altogetther his numers in 4 years 127 rec 1,866 yds 24 td's he progressivley got better till he was only thrown to 42 times on short routes also take the fact that OSU recievers are almost always sold picks were going to be sad when we see him as a brown picking ppl apart

[heapitup247]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' post='187231' date='Apr 26 2009, 10:35 PM']I'll break it down in segments:


Again, what good is a WR if the QB is flat on his back? The main objective of the Ravens if they are to make a Super Bowl run next season is to beat the Steelers; after all, the Steelers are the defending champions and had the Ravens' number last year. In three meetings (including the playoffs) with Pittsburgh, Flacco was sacked 10 times; out of 35 total sacks for the year, that's roughly 28.6% of his sacks caused by just one team. Upon further examination, the Steelers forced 3 of Flacco's 11 fumbles on the year, accounting for 27.2% of his fumbles. Finally, the Steelers hurried Flacco into throwing 5 of his 15 total picks for the year, accounting for exactly a third of his interceptions in '08.

If the QB is to make good decisions and protect the football, then he needs to be protected himself. Michael Oher will help provide that protection. What good is a WR if there's no time to properly deliver the football?

How has Ozzie neglected offense?

2009: 6 total players drafted; 3 offensive players taken.
2008: 10 total players drafted; 7 offensive players taken.
2007: 7 total players drafted; 5 offensive players taken.
2006: 10 total players drafted; 4 offensive players taken.
2005: 7 total players drafted; 5 offensive players taken.
2004: 7 total players drafted; 5 offensive players taken.
2003: 11 total players drafted; 6 offensive players taken.
2002: 10 total players drafted; 6 offensive players taken.

And so on and so forth. It's not as if the man isn't trying.[/quote]

Im curious if you just do rounds 1-3 what that number would look like. I don't think he neglected offense, but i think those numbers are misleading.

[futurerRaven]

he's drafted depth players he has OL and scrub recievers who are special teams fodder along with how many RB also hes drafted like 2 recievers in the first round and both are busts frankly clayton wasnt drafted in round 1 to be the number 2 guy and after 5 years he still doesnt own a 1000 yard season he isnt getting any better also if u read any post i write i like michael oher hes a great pick but i dont like picks 2 thru 6

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='heapitup247' post='187285' date='Apr 26 2009, 11:41 PM']Im curious if you just do rounds 1-3 what that number would look like. I don't think he neglected offense, but i think those numbers are misleading.[/quote]
Alright, I'll humor you.

(Rounds 1-3 only)

2009: 3 players taken; 1 offensive player.
2008: 5 players taken; 3 offensive players.
2007: 3 players taken; 3 offensive players.
2006: 3 players taken; 1 offensive player.
2005: 3 players taken; 2 offensive players.
2004: 2 players taken; 1 offensive player.
2003: 3 players taken; 2 offensive players.
2002: 2 players taken; 0 offensive players.

That's 13 offensive players of 24 players selected in the first three rounds since 2002. For the record, I only went back to 2002 because that was the first year that Ozzie took over as general manager (even though he didn't hold his first draft as GM until 2003). Oz, however, was still an integral part of the personnel department since the Ravens' inception in 1996.

[futurerRaven]

ok now how many of those are lineman and running backs

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='futurerRaven' post='187303' date='Apr 27 2009, 12:06 AM']ok now how many of those are lineman and running backs[/quote]
Running backs? 2 in just the first three rounds since 2002. Offensive linemen? 5 in the first three since 2002. Defensive linemen? 3 in the first three since 2002.