Paul Kruger

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' date='09 July 2009 - 01:43 PM' timestamp='1247165001' post='205751']
So that small little tidbit from a scouting report, said to you that AD would be a pro bowl Gunner on special teams? It told u that AD would be capable of playing DT,DE,CB,S,ILB, and OLB positions all in the same game? It told you that AD would turn into a highly paid FA?

Hell even in that report u posted it said that he probably couldn't play Linebacker. And please don't tell me that because he ran a 4.56 that meant he would be a freak of an athlete.

Look i get it, hind sight is 20/20, everyone can clearly see that AD is great. But can u sit here and honestly tell me when u saw AD on Hard Knocks back in 2001, you thought to yourself; Man that DE is gonna be a freakish athlete that can play any position on defense.

I just don't see how u can compare Kruger to JJ and say he will be nothing better, just because of what his perdraft scouting report.
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You're completely missing the point.

Yes I am telling you a 270lb end who runs a 4.56 is an athlete, those are INSANE measurables. And youre right, nobody knew AD would pan out, he wasn't highly regarded, but he was drafted because he had [b]elite athleticism and potential[/b. He was low risk high reward.

Kruger is a high hustle, high motor, high intensity guy, however as an athlete is average at best. I compared him to JJ because he has similar game speed, long speed, quickness, strength and will be playing in the same system.

[akacrow]

[quote name='BloodRaven' date='10 July 2009 - 01:01 AM' timestamp='1247202090' post='205822']
You're completely missing the point.

Yes I am telling you a 270lb end who runs a 4.56 is an athlete, those are INSANE measurables. And youre right, nobody knew AD would pan out, he wasn't highly regarded, but he was drafted because he had [b]elite athleticism and potential[/b. He was low risk high reward.

Kruger is a high hustle, high motor, high intensity guy, however as an athlete is average at best. I compared him to JJ because he has similar game speed, long speed, quickness, strength and will be playing in the same system.
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Kruger has a larger frame, more speed, and overall athleticism than J.J. Krugers potential is twice that of J.J. coming out of college.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='akacrow' date='12 July 2009 - 11:54 AM' timestamp='1247414046' post='206083']
Kruger has a larger frame, more speed, and overall athleticism than J.J. Krugers potential is twice that of J.J. coming out of college.
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I agree. Johnson is a good supporting player but he's an overachiever. I think Kruger could have a Bart Scott-like impact in a year or two.

[BloodRaven]

I don't agree he's faster than JJ, maybe a little bigger but definately not stronger. I thought his gametape looks like a poor mans Chris Long, which isn't a bad thing.

Maybe Aaron Kampman is a better comparison as a best case scenario.

[ZIBBY28]

[quote name='BloodRaven' date='12 July 2009 - 11:12 PM' timestamp='1247454776' post='206182']
I don't agree he's faster than JJ, maybe a little bigger but definately not stronger. I thought his gametape looks like a poor mans Chris Long, which isn't a bad thing.

[b]Maybe Aaron Kampman is a better comparison as a best case scenario.[/b]
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i'd gladly take that, but still thats a steep comparison.. like you said, i think thats a best case scenario.. kampaman is a probowler and kruger hasnt even played a snap.. hopefully mattison finds a way to utilize his talents, but i think it'll take a year or two

[ZIBBY28]

[quote name='akacrow' date='02 July 2009 - 03:00 PM' timestamp='1246561208' post='204755']
HAve you seen MJ play? He was a good pass rusher but cant stuff the run. He gets washed out in the run game. Kruger is good at both aspects of the game.
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first of all, yeah i've seen MJ play plenty of times and im not saying I would rather have MJ than kruger because i think Kruger is a much safer pick, but when we were talking about sheer athletic ability at that position, he was the first that came to mind out of this years draft class.. a player with more athletic ability (like MJ) has more potential IMO, but if Kruger turns out to fit the bill as an "all around [i]solid[/i]" player, i'd be satisfied, but there is no arguing that Kruger doesnt have the athletic ability as players like MJ

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='BloodRaven' date='10 July 2009 - 01:01 AM' timestamp='1247202090' post='205822']
You're completely missing the point.

Yes I am telling you a 270lb end who runs a 4.56 is an athlete, those are INSANE measurables. And youre right, nobody knew AD would pan out, he wasn't highly regarded, but he was drafted because he had [b]elite athleticism and potential[/b. He was low risk high reward.

Kruger is a high hustle, high motor, high intensity guy, however as an athlete is average at best. I compared him to JJ because he has similar game speed, long speed, quickness, strength and will be playing in the same system.
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And my point is that athleticism and potential is not what makes players great. You can't just compare a guy to another player just by his measurable or what he did in college.

I understand what u are saying, yes those measurement are great, but they meant nothing.

No one knows how Kruger will turnout, and to say he will be no better then JJ(not really a bad thing) is unfair. Hell look at James Harrison and Rod Green. Both memembers of the Ravens at one point. Ron Green was said to be a very athletic and fast(ran 4.57 40)OLB, that could play LB and DE. Would be an assest to the pressure heavy Raevns D. He did nothing for us.

James Harrison on the other hand was a guy that was said to be undersized and slow coming out of Kent State and that comes from Ozzie himself. These guy get cut like 5 times and then goes on to be the DPOY.

So what your scouting reports say mean nothing. Yes Kruger is said to be a hardnose, nonstop motor, more Will and determination then athleticism type guy, but what does it really mean? If that hustle and nonstop motor leads Kruger to 8-10 sacks this year, is he still just another JJ.

Let the kid hit the field first. I'm not saying he will be a superstar or that u are even wrong. It's just hard to say what he will or will not be without him even lining up in the NFL.

[BloodRaven]

James Harrison is an anomaly, hes rare, but also partially a product of his system. Green turned out to be a nobody, but he had higher potential than Harrison. Either way they were both a gamble and we chose the better athlete.

While not always the case a great athlete simply has more potential than an average athlete.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

This could turn out to be a great pick, especially if Suggs isn't resigned long-term.

[J-man]

Can you say....Michael McCrary?