Paul Kruger

[darklight1216]

[quote name='Reddawn36' post='191020' date='May 8 2009, 07:24 PM']we should have a logo of a motorcycle only when we play ben rothlessberger, put him back in the fetal position, [/quote]
ROFL awesome!

[Grand Weepers]

Though Kruger played most snaps at DE he actually played a variety of positions last year. I think he lined up everywhere except at DT. The Ute's play a 4-3 base but used a fair amount of 3-4 sets as well. Kruger played DE, and LB in the 3-4. I think he even took a few snaps at MLB. He's is very versatile. Someone earlier said that he played QB in highschool. I know that he came to Utah as a QB and played his first year as a QB (don't know how much he actually played!). But, the guy is clearly very smart and versatile. And he must have some emotional fortitude to get through all of his cuts, and bruises, and mission work, etc. He got back on the field at a new position and still made a huge impact.

I don't know if Kruger will be a super star. But, I think he'll be an impact player for years. People are making all kinds of comparisons, JJ, Jared Allen, T. Pryce, etc...but, I think he compares more to Adalius Thomas.

[#1 D]

[quote name='Grand Weepers' post='193615' date='May 18 2009, 09:38 AM']Though Kruger played most snaps at DE he actually played a variety of positions last year. I think he lined up everywhere except at DT. The Ute's play a 4-3 base but used a fair amount of 3-4 sets as well. Kruger played DE, and LB in the 3-4. I think he even took a few snaps at MLB. He's is very versatile. Someone earlier said that he played QB in highschool. I know that he came to Utah as a QB and played his first year as a QB (don't know how much he actually played!). But, the guy is clearly very smart and versatile. And he must have some emotional fortitude to get through all of his cuts, and bruises, and mission work, etc. He got back on the field at a new position and still made a huge impact.

I don't know if Kruger will be a super star. But, I think he'll be an impact player for years. People are making all kinds of comparisons, JJ, Jared Allen, T. Pryce, etc...but, I think he compares more to Adalius Thomas.[/quote]
i'm just glad we're gonna get the versatility that you mention, because that's definitely what we need with the losses of all our players. most likely though, i'd love for him to succeed at DE because pryce is really getting older and we would eventually need a reliable replacement.

[20ravens52]

Kruger will be good...but I just don't see him having the tools to be great. But that's just my opinion.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='20ravens52' post='193776' date='May 18 2009, 10:05 PM']Kruger will be good...but I just don't see him having the tools to be great. But that's just my opinion.[/quote]

Part of me agrees with you. I think he can be better than Jarrett Johnson though.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' post='194012' date='May 20 2009, 01:28 PM']Part of me agrees with you. I think he can be better than Jarrett Johnson though.[/quote]
What's wrong with Jarrett Johnson?

[20ravens52]

Nothing he is just not...that great in coverage and isn't very fast. The coverage part could be because he isn't very fast.

[ZIBBY28]

just read an article...

"...this has allowed second round pick, Paul Kruger to step up in the spot of "hybrid" defensive player. Kruger has shown glimpses of flash during his time in the position, but it has been said that he is having a rough time trying to get by left tackle, Jared Gaither. "

[url="http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2009/6/7/902070/whats-going-on-in-baltimore?ref=yahoo"]http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2009/6/7/...imore?ref=yahoo[/url]

You guys think he'll end up playing that situational hybrid role this year, or continually try to beef up to play DE?

[#1 D]

[quote name='ZIBBY28' post='198298' date='Jun 9 2009, 12:30 AM']just read an article...

"...this has allowed second round pick, Paul Kruger to step up in the spot of "hybrid" defensive player. Kruger has shown glimpses of flash during his time in the position, but it has been said that he is having a rough time trying to get by left tackle, Jared Gaither. "

[url="http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2009/6/7/902070/whats-going-on-in-baltimore?ref=yahoo"]http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2009/6/7/...imore?ref=yahoo[/url]

You guys think he'll end up playing that situational hybrid role this year, or continually try to beef up to play DE?[/quote]

Yep. i honestly think his "tough time" to get past jared gaither is not b/c Kruger isn't good enough, but b/c Gaither is a beast.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='darklight1216' post='194019' date='May 20 2009, 01:54 PM']What's wrong with Jarrett Johnson?[/quote]

Nothing is wrong with J.J. He's a solid player who's versatility is really undervalued but I just think Kruger can be better than him.

[#1 D]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' post='199203' date='Jun 12 2009, 06:46 PM']Nothing is wrong with J.J. He's a solid player who's versatility is really undervalued but I just think Kruger can be better than him.[/quote]

i hope you're right. Ever since losing A.D., getting players like Kruger who might even be able to play different positions, should only add to our already-stacked defensive front.

[Wacko4Zacko]

I think it would be cool if Kruger would start, but if not, then I bet 100 bucks that he will start 2011 season.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

[quote name='FlaccosFlock' post='185977' date='Apr 27 2009, 02:34 AM']I love this guy because he has an unbelievable motor and has character. I think he fits perfectly with our team and he is a Ravens kind of player.[/quote]
Seems to be the type doesn't he.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

[quote name='Wacko4Zacko' post='199427' date='Jun 14 2009, 09:42 AM']I think it would be cool if Kruger would start, but if not, then I bet 100 bucks that he will start 2011 season.[/quote]
Lol, ok. I'll take that bet.

[BloodRaven]

No, no, i'll take that bet. You keep your weak New Zeland money

[catty112]

We will probably use him in third down and passing situations to just rush the passer. Based on how he performs this year we can determine whether to have him bulk up and be a 34 DE or convert him to OLB

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

[quote name='BloodRaven' post='202444' date='Jun 22 2009, 01:19 PM']No, no, i'll take that bet. You keep your weak New Zeland money [/quote]
Lol! Disgraceful...

[slugz1]

[quote name='ZIBBY28' date='09 June 2009 - 12:30 AM' timestamp='1244521815' post='198298']
just read an article...

"...this has allowed second round pick, Paul Kruger to step up in the spot of "hybrid" defensive player. Kruger has shown glimpses of flash during his time in the position, but it has been said that he is having [b]a rough time trying to get by left tackle, Jared Gaither. "[/b]
[url="http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2009/6/7/902070/whats-going-on-in-baltimore?ref=yahoo"]http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2009/6/7/...imore?ref=yahoo[/url]

You guys think he'll end up playing that situational hybrid role this year, or continually try to beef up to play DE?
[/quote]
i dont think we can fairly look at him going against gaither cause most pro bowl De's have a hard time with gaither.

[ravensfan160]

[quote name='slugz1' date='24 June 2009 - 11:29 AM' timestamp='1245857374' post='203244']
i dont think we can fairly look at him going against gaither cause most pro bowl De's have a hard time with gaither.
[/quote]
Yeah not to mention that was during mini-camp and also one of the first times he saw action outside of college. Give him a break.

I was so excited when we drafted him. I remember watching him destroy the Alabama Crimson Tide in their bowl game. The guy was everywhere. Too bad Andre Smith was suspended that game though.

[BloodRaven]

I don't like how the Ravens type of player has gone from being known as superathletic and aggressive, to being solid hardworkers. For example, as much as I like JJ for being a "solid" player he's a far cry from being Adalius Thomas.

I don't care how other teams pro bowl DE's do against Gaither. He gives us that peace of mind because he's good. It's when we have guy's like Trevor Pryce, who can beat any tackle on our team one on one and on the other side we have a guy like Kruger, who isn't gifted in any area getting eaten alive.

Ok, maybe my expectations are high but is it too much to expect the best from my team?

[ZIBBY28]

[quote name='BloodRaven' date='25 June 2009 - 12:08 AM' timestamp='1245902901' post='203445']
I don't like how the Ravens type of player has gone from being known as superathletic and aggressive, to being solid hardworkers. For example, as much as I like JJ for being a "solid" player he's a far cry from being Adalius Thomas.

I don't care how other teams pro bowl DE's do against Gaither. He gives us that peace of mind because he's good. It's when we have guy's like Trevor Pryce, who can beat any tackle on our team one on one and on the other side we have a guy like Kruger, who isn't gifted in any area getting eaten alive.

Ok, maybe my expectations are high but is it too much to expect the best from my team?
[/quote]
well said.. when you have freakish athletes like Michael Johnson from GT going in the 3rd round.. it makes you wonder.. im not saying MJ will be a better player than kruger, but judging by sheer athletic ability the ravens are built around and the natural body type to play this position at the NFL level, there isnt even a comparison between the two..

without even playing a down in the NFL, ill be the first to say that im a critic of Kruger and I questioned if he would live up to his draft stock with the Ravens taking him on the first day.. i sincerely hope he proves otherwise.. hes a competitor, and i hope he lives up to the high expectations we all have for a 2nd round pick

[#1 D]

[quote name='BloodRaven' date='25 June 2009 - 12:08 AM' timestamp='1245902901' post='203445']
I don't like how the Ravens type of player has gone from being known as superathletic and aggressive, to being solid hardworkers. For example, as much as I like JJ for being a "solid" player he's a far cry from being Adalius Thomas.

I don't care how other teams pro bowl DE's do against Gaither. He gives us that peace of mind because he's good. It's when we have guy's like Trevor Pryce, who can beat any tackle on our team one on one and on the other side we have a guy like Kruger, who isn't gifted in any area getting eaten alive.

[b]Ok, maybe my expectations are high but is it too much to expect the best from my team?[/b]
[/quote]
very well said...and i mean if we are the #1 defense, we gotta live up to those expectations lol

[akacrow]

[quote name='ZIBBY28' date='25 June 2009 - 12:58 AM' timestamp='1245905909' post='203456']
well said.. when you have freakish athletes like Michael Johnson from GT going in the 3rd round.. it makes you wonder.. im not saying MJ will be a better player than kruger, but judging by sheer athletic ability the ravens are built around and the natural body type to play this position at the NFL level, there isnt even a comparison between the two..

without even playing a down in the NFL, ill be the first to say that im a critic of Kruger and I questioned if he would live up to his draft stock with the Ravens taking him on the first day.. i sincerely hope he proves otherwise.. hes a competitor, and i hope he lives up to the high expectations we all have for a 2nd round pick
[/quote]


HAve you seen MJ play? He was a good pass rusher but cant stuff the run. He gets washed out in the run game. Kruger is good at both aspects of the game.

[BloodRaven]

Yes he struggles in the run game and Im not a big fan of MJ, but we don't really need help in against the run, we need help getting pressure on the QB and one thing MJ does have is freakish pass rush athleticism and upside to improve.

Kruger although more rounded, doesnt have the same athleticism or upside.

[Ravensfan23]

You guys do know that AD was viewed as the same type of hard working tough guy that wasn't really special.

He was a guy that was brought in to provide Depth behind Boluware and McCrary. AD was drafted in 00' and didn't start producing at a high level until 2004.

With that being said, i think it is unfair to say what type of player Kurger will be based off his college production. Like i said before, there was no signs to say that AD would turn out to be the player that he was.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' date='08 July 2009 - 07:30 PM' timestamp='1247099427' post='205652']
You guys do know that AD was viewed as the same type of hard working tough guy that wasn't really special.

He was a guy that was brought in to provide Depth behind Boluware and McCrary. AD was drafted in 00' and didn't start producing at a high level until 2004.

With that being said, i think it is unfair to say what type of player Kurger will be based off his college production. Like i said before, there was no signs to say that AD would turn out to be the player that he was.
[/quote]

Yes AD was like Bart Scott, they were both drafted as special teamers and both developed into good football players, the only difference is AD is a better athlete, bigger, faster and stronger.

[ZIBBY28]

[quote name='akacrow' date='02 July 2009 - 03:00 PM' timestamp='1246561208' post='204755']
HAve you seen MJ play? He was a good pass rusher but cant stuff the run. He gets washed out in the run game. Kruger is good at both aspects of the game.
[/quote]
sounds like a Suggs' critique coming out of college, doesnt it??

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='BloodRaven' date='08 July 2009 - 10:04 PM' timestamp='1247105080' post='205659']
Yes AD was like Bart Scott, they were both drafted as special teamers and both developed into good football players, the only difference is AD is a better athlete, bigger, faster and stronger.
[/quote]

Yes but AD didn't become that bigger stronger faster Athlete until after a few years with the Ravens. No one would have been able to predict that from AD coming out of college.

So for all we know Kruger could delevop into that same strong, fast, big, athlete guy. It just too early to say.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' date='09 July 2009 - 10:45 AM' timestamp='1247154328' post='205717']
Yes but AD didn't become that bigger stronger faster Athlete until after a few years with the Ravens. No one would have been able to predict that from AD coming out of college.

So for all we know Kruger could delevop into that same strong, fast, big, athlete guy. It just too early to say.
[/quote]

AD actually dropped because he was considered a workout warrior. Do a search and you'll pull up this from 2000...

[b]7 Adalius Thomas S.Mississippi 6-2, 270, [b]4.56[/b]

Highly athletic, speedy pass rusher who doesn't always show his skills on the field. Short for a defensive lineman but probably can't play linebacker. Lacks instincts and aggression. Had a good workout for scouts.[/b]

Im going to go out on a limb and say while Kruger is nowhere near the athlete AD was he is a better football player than AD was in his rookie year. That said, he simply doesn't have the same sort of upside. He'll be a JJ clone at best.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='BloodRaven' date='09 July 2009 - 12:59 PM' timestamp='1247158784' post='205737']
AD actually dropped because he was considered a workout warrior. Do a search and you'll pull up this from 2000...

[b]7 Adalius Thomas S.Mississippi 6-2, 270, [b]4.56[/b]

Highly athletic, speedy pass rusher who doesn't always show his skills on the field. Short for a defensive lineman but probably can't play linebacker. Lacks instincts and aggression. Had a good workout for scouts.[/b]

Im going to go out on a limb and say while Kruger is nowhere near the athlete AD was he is a better football player than AD was in his rookie year. That said, he simply doesn't have the same sort of upside. He'll be a JJ clone at best.
[/quote]

So that small little tidbit from a scouting report, said to you that AD would be a pro bowl Gunner on special teams? It told u that AD would be capable of playing DT,DE,CB,S,ILB, and OLB positions all in the same game? It told you that AD would turn into a highly paid FA?

Hell even in that report u posted it said that he probably couldn't play Linebacker. And please don't tell me that because he ran a 4.56 that meant he would be a freak of an athlete.

Look i get it, hind sight is 20/20, everyone can clearly see that AD is great. But can u sit here and honestly tell me when u saw AD on Hard Knocks back in 2001, you thought to yourself; Man that DE is gonna be a freakish athlete that can play any position on defense.

I just don't see how u can compare Kruger to JJ and say he will be nothing better, just because of what his perdraft scouting report.