What Are The Ravens Doing?

[macbrak]

[quote name='PSU RAVEN' post='185873' date='Apr 26 2009, 08:30 AM']Actually this is kinda of my point, flacco wasnt the BPA on the board last year, but had a [i]need[/i] at QB, however the RAVENS (and any other team) will claim that their pick was the BPA for them.

You know the pick was for need, I know it was for need but the teams never say it. It is always ..blah blah blah we had him rated on OUR board as a top pick. (even though no one else did)
Just like yesterday with Denver's coach Josh McDanials trying to justify why they gave up picks for a 2nd rounder[/quote]

BPA doesn't work like that. Its best player available period. Ozzie's genius comes in seeing that. Unfortunately that doesn't always translate into picking a unavoidable need. QB is probably the only position that you have to violate that rule. Good ones are too rare and its hard to tell who will translate into the NFL. I think we'd have picked someone else if we were going BPA but the need was too great.

Flacco came out of no where and wasn't on anyone's radar at first except the Ravens. At some point they put him on other's radar but before that nobody was paying attention to him.

WRs are like QBs but its alot easier to find a diamond in the rough WR then QB. You can draft someone and get a returner until he turns out or you cut your losses.

[justifythegame]

[quote name='H8R' post='185616' date='Apr 25 2009, 10:41 PM']I understand that, but what makes us better then pittsburgh? Thats the question I have.[/quote]
The fact that now you can stop Harrison and Woodley and their DEs and giving us the option to send our TEs on routes. The fact that we added another pass rusher to stop big ben after having a disappointing season in sacks.

[justifythegame]

[quote name='PSU RAVEN' post='185873' date='Apr 26 2009, 08:30 AM']Actually this is kinda of my point, flacco wasnt the BPA on the board last year, but had a [i]need[/i] at QB, however the RAVENS (and any other team) will claim that their pick was the BPA for them.

You know the pick was for need, I know it was for need but the teams never say it. It is always ..blah blah blah we had him rated on OUR board as a top pick. (even though no one else did)
Just like yesterday with Denver's coach Josh McDanials trying to justify why they gave up picks for a 2nd rounder[/quote]
Flacco was the BPA last year. Ozzie stressed this several times. Just because you see some guys board like Mayock's - doesn't mean thats how ozzie ranked them on his board. The Ravens were going to use the #8 pick on Joe Flacco, thats how high Flacco was ranked on ozzie and decosta's board. Maybe you just dont understand the amount of time the ravens spent scouting this guy. DeCosta, Cam Cameron, and eventually ozzie were convinced by draft time that Flacco was the best QB in last year's draft. They said they were prepared to use the #8 pick on Flacco even if Matt Ryan was available. They spent a ton of time scouting him, working him out, setting up smoke screens before the draft to make sure they were going to get Joe Flacco. The fact that Flacco was projected a mid first to 2nd round pick on most teams boards allowed ozzie to strategize and trade down for more picks, and then trade up again to make sure they land flacco because the panthers were planning to trade up and grab flacco also.

[Mahatma_Sloth]

whats most important is the quality of guys we are bringing in. hard working humble salt of the earth types. This is Team building at its best. Who did we draft in the last two drafts that would even come close to a charactor issue. At first i didnt know about harbs.... but seeing how he runs camp and coaches and drafts you can tell exactly what kind of guy he is. this man is turning this team into a family unit with an emphasis on classic values like humility respect work ethic discipline and comradery. We ara grabbin guys like my sig says

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='CustomUserName' post='185847' date='Apr 26 2009, 03:29 AM']Heap at the beginning of the 08 season was our oldest offensive starter (Mason aside) and was only 28. He's in his prime, we don't need to be considering a replacement for at least 3-4 years.[/quote]


I'm not saying to replace him on the field atm..... i'm saying get one w/ in next two years so when heap is gone we already have our TE in waiting w/ experience and is ready to go.... if that makes any sense

(basically same thing we did when we had shannon sharpe)

[itscbm5042]

Here we go I thought they would take Williams but he went to Detroit (poor Derrick but INCREDIBLE value for the Lions there). Please be a receiver, please!

[Reddawn36]

i am so pissed at eagles/giants..... that would have left us a WR.......... im stunned that we didn't take ingram... he's a first round talent...... he actually would have been best in draft w/o injury

[darklight1216]

[quote name='Reddawn36' post='186173' date='Apr 26 2009, 11:47 AM'][b]i am so pissed at eagles/giants[/b]..... that would have left us a WR.......... im stunned that we didn't take ingram... he's a first round talent...... he actually would have been best in draft w/o injury[/quote]
That's how I feel all the time.

[quote name='CustomUserName' post='185847' date='Apr 26 2009, 03:29 AM']Heap at the beginning of the 08 season was our oldest offensive starter (Mason aside) and was only 28. He's in his prime, we don't need to be considering a replacement for at least 3-4 years.[/quote]
Heap is younger than Ed Reed?

[craigmsandy]

Do you guys realize how many in-house receivers we have? These guys have already been in the league. They have already been in the Baltimore Raven's system. They are already in conjunction with the team. We already have tall speedy receivers in, ( [b]Marcus Maxwell [/b]6'3" 210, 25 years old, [b]Edward Williams [/b]6'4" 214, 26 years old, [b]Demetrius Williams [/b]6'2" 197, 26 years old, [b]Ernie Wheelwright [/b]6'5" 220, 24 years old, [b]Marcus Smith [/b]6'1" 215, 24 years old, [b]Justin Harper [/b]6'3" 215, 24 years old) So, with those players being listed, we know that we have a lot of variables in physicalities. There could be some diamonds in the rough in there somewhere.

Just because a receiver does not come out dominating does not mean he cannot contribute to the team in his own personal way. This is Baltimore Raven's football. It is not about personal glory, it is about sacrificing for the man next to you. Watching the Raven's play last year, did you see how much fun those guys were having?

Also, I think that Kruger is a Suggs, Boulware, Thomas, project. I believe he will start out by backing DE's but will eventually be moved to OLB in a 3-4 scheme.

Our offense is so young in the areas that count, these are the areas that win championships. Look at what our team did last year just playing their own brand of football! All I can say is wow....We stick to our guns. We come for your neck. We play the kind of football that was meant to be played.

The Baltimore Ravens are going to come into the 2009 season and [b]take no prisoners.[/b] It is redemption time, and I can not wait to see Pittsburgh's faces whenever the storm is over.

[jezzy]

this has been a disaster draft thus far idk what ozzie trying to pull but are major need is still not filled and when u take the guy from utah over micheal johnson thats ****ty then we still had dj moore on the board n we take this guy when moore was projected as our first round choice then with that 1st pick we had the chance to get our wr britt nicks i hope oz knows what these people bring to our team but the bengals are putting there selfs in position with this draft to cause problems they by far had the best class thus far

[Wacko4Zacko]

So with Oher, is our OT need "taken care of" or Should we draft another OT as a backup? Because There are still some decent OT's left like...

Herman Johnson-LSU
Duke Robinson-Oklahoma
Andrew Gardner-Georgia Tech

[craigmsandy]

I think our offensive line is fortified enough for this season. A few of these guys had the luxury of being around Jon Ogden, and now they are being mentored by Willie Anderson. Add in Matt Birk, Youth, Toughness, and a point to prove to the Pittsburgh Steelers. That my friend is a recipe for success!

[Shawn`]

Concerning the Michael Oher pick:

Remember the Ravens are a run first offense, so it makes sense.

[H8R]

I just wonder if we are EVER going to be a team with the ability to score with the best of them. I like the addition of CB's this offseason, It was an obvious need after looking back at the playoffs and who we had covering solid receivers. It was a joke, we're decimated by injuries. I also hope that Landry can come back strong, otherwise dropping Leonhard will haunt us! (even with Zibby and Ruki on the bench)

[craigmsandy]

I like our team for what it is....
I do not care if we ever have a top notch dominating offense.

[SickBoy]

[size=3]Does anyone know of any good wide outs still available???[/size]

[CustomUserName]

[quote name='Reddawn36' post='186000' date='Apr 26 2009, 10:58 AM']I'm not saying to replace him on the field atm..... i'm saying get one w/ in next two years so when heap is gone we already have our TE in waiting w/ experience and is ready to go.... if that makes any sense

(basically same thing we did when we had shannon sharpe)[/quote]

Not quite, Sharpe was 32 when we drafted Heap. That's what I mean by we shouldn't consider a replacement for Heap for the next 3-4 years.

And darklight1216, Ed Reed is 31, Heap turned 29 last month.

[Bullitt_711]

SROP IT ALREADY STOP WHINING ABOUT THE WR POSITION, PLEASE. We have a ton of WR on the roster that were banged up, there is def talent there why add another WR that isn't a sure thing in the later part of the draft when we can pull gems like Oz was picking as other gms kept taking questionable WR. Kruger is a beast, we needed a pass rusher so bad, now we have him. I don't want Boldin either only because of his price/29 years. However I would pay that price for Braylon Edwards. You guys we are so flipping loaded with talent. Oz rules, don't question greatness, the best damn organization in sports.

[futurerRaven]

i really think we should have taken Iglesias before the bears hes good and i hope we can get underwood as a UDFA i dont like the peerman pick as i saw a few better backs out there i also like manuel johnson

[Slick]

[quote name='Bullitt_711' post='186911' date='Apr 26 2009, 05:01 PM']SROP IT ALREADY STOP WHINING ABOUT THE WR POSITION, PLEASE. We have a ton of WR on the roster that were banged up, there is def talent there why add another WR that isn't a sure thing in the later part of the draft when we can pull gems like Oz was picking as other gms kept taking questionable WR. Kruger is a beast, we needed a pass rusher so bad, now we have him. I don't want Boldin either only because of his price/29 years. However I would pay that price for Braylon Edwards. You guys we are so flipping loaded with talent. Oz rules, don't question greatness, the best damn organization in sports.[/quote]

ok im not here to whine about WRs but i must admit, considering that we've added major depth to our backfield through FA and our RB corps is already solid i dont understand why we couldnt take a chance on a late round wr rather than a RB/CB. i understand the whole BPA thing but i think we'd be a dynasty if we had a deep threat.

on the other hand, the injury bug did hit us hard last year. It'll be interesting to see what a full year of Mason/Clayton/DWill/Heap + LJ Smith will bring.
id probably be much more distraught if we didnt have Demetrius coming back from injury. Beyond our top 3 WRs I dont really see much depth. Marcus Smith was all thumbs last year and i dont think the others have really earned their way onto the field yet (though I may have seen Wheelright out there...dont think he did much though).

[futurerRaven]

when you have wr's who tackle better than they catch you dont have wr's at all with our last pick i would have liked to have seen a chance taken like the saints and bengals did in the seventh with T.J. and Colston

[Wacko4Zacko]

My sources are telling me that we are in talks with the DJ Boldin....J/k! Lol.

Anyway i just ordered me a coustomized purple jersey for Oher. It has his number and everything.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='H8R' post='186523' date='Apr 26 2009, 01:37 PM'][b]I just wonder if we are EVER going to be a team with the ability to score with the best of them.[/b] I like the addition of CB's this offseason, It was an obvious need after looking back at the playoffs and who we had covering solid receivers. It was a joke, we're decimated by injuries. I also hope that Landry can come back strong, otherwise dropping Leonhard will haunt us! (even with Zibby and Ruki on the bench)[/quote]
Our 2006 squad was 12th in the league in scoring. Our 2008 squad was 11th in the league in scoring. There were 11 games where we scored more than 20 points -- 3 of those games were against eventual 2008 playoff teams (out of 7 games against playoff teams, counting the Steelers twice).

To be 11th in the league in scoring is pretty good, especially with a rookie QB and rookie head coach and new offensive system in place.

[Jesse Conroy]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' post='187022' date='Apr 26 2009, 06:33 PM']Our 2006 squad was 12th in the league in scoring. Our 2008 squad was 11th in the league in scoring. There were 11 games where we scored more than 20 points -- 3 of those games were against eventual 2008 playoff teams (out of 7 games against playoff teams, counting the Steelers twice).

To be 11th in the league in scoring is pretty good, especially with a rookie QB and rookie head coach and new offensive system in place.[/quote]

Boo ya

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='Wacko4Zacko' post='187020' date='Apr 26 2009, 06:31 PM']Anyway i just ordered me a coustomized purple jersey for Oher. It has his number and everything.[/quote]
I would've waited until preseason for that...there's no guarantee that he'll keep the number tentatively assigned to him (or ever wear it, for that matter). He could wear something like 77 (I don't know) now during camp, but then end up wearing 76 for his first preseason game and in the regular season.

[Wacko4Zacko]

Oh sheeet your right. Ill go see if I can cancel.

[theFRANCHISE]

Just to build on my previous point about scoring, the Ravens scored more points than such teams as the one-man show of Adrian Peterson and the Minnesota Vikings; Peyton Manning and the high-powered Indianapolis Colts; the Tennessee Titans with rookie phenom Chris Johnson; the star-studded Dallas Cowboys; the Super Bowl Champion Pittsburgh Steelers; and the Wildcat offense of the Miami Dolphins.

As for rookie Matt Ryan, stud RB Michael Turner, deep threat Roddy White, and the Atlanta Falcons? They scored only 6 more points than the Ravens with Joe Flacco, no-name receivers (sorry, guys), and a coverted FB as the featured back.

[bossman419]

I can't wait till DJ Boldin comes out of college... he plays just like Anquan

[darklight1216]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' post='187032' date='Apr 26 2009, 06:41 PM']Just to build on my previous point about scoring, the Ravens scored more points than such teams as the one-man show of Adrian Peterson and the Minnesota Vikings; Peyton Manning and the high-powered Indianapolis Colts; the Tennessee Titans with rookie phenom Chris Johnson; the star-studded Dallas Cowboys; the Super Bowl Champion Pittsburgh Steelers; and the Wildcat offense of the Miami Dolphins.

As for rookie Matt Ryan, stud RB Michael Turner, deep threat Roddy White, and the Atlanta Falcons? They scored only 6 more points than the Ravens with Joe Flacco, no-name receivers (sorry, guys), and a coverted FB as the featured back.[/quote]
Impressive. I like that part about Pittsburgh and Atlanta.

[Toreno]

[quote name='bossman419' post='187055' date='Apr 26 2009, 06:21 PM']I can't wait till DJ Boldin comes out of college... he plays just like Anquan[/quote]
I don't think he'll be as good as Boldin.