Any Raven Madden Players?

[jonnyloback]

Any people out there playing Madden and using the Ravens as their team? Not sure if this is the right forum, but I am in the playoffs, again, and have a few questions for those that might be veterans at the game.

[Lets_Go_Joe]

See "Non Ravens Talk" ---> "Madden/Video Games" ----> many topics on this already

[Ravensfan19]

I play it all the time and i always use the ravens. you can pm me or something and i'll see if i can help

[baltiMORE RAVENS]

[quote name='jonnyloback' post='183653' date='Apr 23 2009, 10:23 PM']Any people out there playing Madden and using the Ravens as their team? Not sure if this is the right forum, but I am in the playoffs, again, and have a few questions for those that might be veterans at the game.[/quote]

I should have known you were a madden guy. Is that where you figure out all of your ridiculous trades. Does your Ravens roster even have any actual Ravens left? Keep those trades in your video game man, because they don't work in the real world. I know its fun to think about, but you gotta separate madden from the real NFL.

[jonnyloback]

[quote name='baltiMORE RAVENS' post='183659' date='Apr 23 2009, 09:41 PM']I should have known you were a madden guy. Is that where you figure out all of your ridiculous trades. Does your Ravens roster even have any actual Ravens left? Keep those trades in your video game man, because they don't work in the real world. I know its fun to think about, but you gotta separate madden from the real NFL.[/quote]

Not at all, I look at what makes sense. To break down the one I was talking about - The Jets have Jones that is nearing 31 years old (might already be), so could probably use McGahee; Heap, Ryan just might like so may have a little more leverage there. Their pass defense was, I believe 4th from last in the league, so another defenseman that Ryan might like is probably either Washington or Landry - maybe Gooden.

The Cardinals - Their pass defense was 11th from last and 16th overall in run defense (I believe those numbers are accurate) so could use a D-Lineman which is why I mentioned Gholston since they are probably going after a linebacker in the draft anyways. Then with a 2nd round pick, they could make it even stronger and pick up another D-Man and a running back with their first.

The Ravens - Shouldn't be effected by giving up a 2nd round pick as long as they keep the first to pick up a running back with Rice and McClain as he progresses then some more secondary help with the 3rd round pick (or even 4th if they have to give up their third). Then I guess the team would just have to see how LJ Smith pans out.

Any more questions?

The only people I traded for in the game were Cromartie, King and Dexter Jackson. I probably should have gotten Carr, LOL. I am just having issues with the constant play calling from the line from other teams and their wides running quick outs or curl patterns. No biggie though.

[Alexir]

I always play with the Ravens. Willis tore it up back to back seasons getting 2200 rushing yards even though he missed 4 games with an injury.

[jonnyloback]

[quote name='Alexir' post='183663' date='Apr 23 2009, 10:54 PM']I always play with the Ravens. Willis tore it up back to back seasons getting 2200 rushing yards even though he missed 4 games with an injury.[/quote]

Yeah, Flacco averages like 1200 yards per game passing, LOL. That's if I feel like using the time out cheat though and give him enough time to rack that up. He is at something like 92 already with the Super Bowl and Conference still left.

Edit: McGahee tears it up too, usually gaining about 4000 yards per season - that is only because of the time out cheats though.

[baltiMORE RAVENS]

[quote name='jonnyloback' post='183662' date='Apr 23 2009, 10:50 PM']Not at all, I look at what makes sense. To break down the one I was talking about - The Jets have Jones that is nearing 31 years old (might already be), so could probably use McGahee, Heap, Ryan just might like so may have a little more leverage there. Their pass defense was, I believe 4th from last in the league, so another defenseman that Ryan might like is probably either Washington or Landry - maybe Gooden.

The Cardinals - Their pass defense was 11th from last in pass defense and 16th (I believe those numbers are accurate) so could use a D-Lineman which is why I mentioned Gholston since they are probably going after a linebacker in the draft anyways. Then with a 2nd round pick, they could make it even stronger and pick up another D-Man and a running back with their first.

The Ravens - Shouldn't be effected by giving up a 2nd round pick as long as they keep the first to pick up a running back with Rice and McClain as he progresses then some more secondary help with the 3rd round pick (or even 4th if they have to give up their third).

Any more questions?

The only people I traded for in the game were Cromartie, King and Dexter Jackson. I probably should have gotten Carr, LOL. I am just having issues with the constant play calling from the line from other teams and their wides running quick outs or curl patterns. No biggie though.[/quote]

Yeah, I have a few more questions. Why would the Cardinals trade Boldin for a 2nd + Gholston? AZ wants a 1st and 3rd or a 1st + a player (and Gholston is not a player yet...he is a bust so far)

How are the ravens going to handle the 11 MILLIION DOLLAR cap it from trading McGahee and sign Boldin to a 8-10 million/yr new deal?

The salary cap makes deals with multiple teams and multiple players almost impossible. I am assuming you are young and may not realize that trades like this never happen, so I am sorry for busting your balls. This deal will never happen.

[scotchtape622]

They get a cap hit from trading? I didn't know that

[jonnyloback]

I know about the cap hits, but if the team does what it is more then capable of doing at that point, that money should be made up pretty easily by the team. I know there is a floor and ceiling, etc. I don't know how hard the economic recession is hitting the NFL?

But Gholston, I would say the Ravens should go after Gholston if he was actually coming cheap - but he's not. He was the 6th overall pick in 2008 and MIGHT take a year or so to develope. But based on his college and the offensive players that came out of that year, there is a reason he was taken that high. Plus a number 2 is quite a bit of a bump up from a number 3. It's about player potential sometimes and I think that Gholston definetely has that
potential.

I am not young, well I don't think, ok early 40's is young. Multiple player trades happen all the time; I am not saying it's lock by any means - in fact, far from it. I'm just saying it might be an ideal situation for all teams involved. But shuffeling around, what is that, 5-6 players to three different teams - PLEASE. I know the chances of it happening are slim.

Edit: I don't think that Gholston is going to be a bust for long. Anyone that feels otherwise is more then welcome to say something and why they think it?

[baltiMORE RAVENS]

[quote name='jonnyloback' post='183670' date='Apr 23 2009, 11:07 PM']I know about the cap hits, but if the team does what it is more then capable of doing at that point, that money should be made up pretty easily by the team. I know there is a floor and ceiling, etc. I don't know how hard the economic recession is hitting the NFL?

But Gholston, I would say the Ravens should go after Gholston if he was actually coming cheap - but he's not. He was the 6th overall pick in 2008 and MIGHT take a year or so to develope. But based on his college and the offensive players that came out of that year, there is a reason he was taken that high. Plus a number 2 is quite a bit of a bump up from a number 3. It's about player potential sometimes and I think that Gholston definetely has that potential.

Edit: I don't think that Gholston is going to be a bust for long. Anyone that feels otherwise is more then welcome to say something and why they think it?[/quote]

From what it looks like, you don't know much about the salary cap. It will not be easy to absorb an 11 million dollar cap hit. What is a team able to do to "make it up pretty easily?" Right now the ravens are LESS than a million bucks under the cap. Ozzie will do what he needs to do to get our draft picks signed, but I don't know what he could do to fit Boldin under the cap for 8-10 million/year unless Suggs is involved. Suggs can't be involved because he hasn't signed the franchise tender.

Also, I agree that Gholston could still prove to be good, but don't think that because he was drafted 6th overall automatically translates into a good player. That is why there are things we call "busts" in the draft. I guarantee you nobody in the league would give up a 1st for Gholston right now, because he is unproven and he makes a LOT of money.

[baltiMORE RAVENS]

[quote name='scotchtape622' post='183666' date='Apr 23 2009, 11:01 PM']They get a cap hit from trading? I didn't know that [/quote]

Just depends on who you are trading. McGahee is still under contract for like 3 or 4 more years and has a TON of money left on his contract. The NFL made it so that you can't just "get rid" of that player and contract by trading. The team has to take a cap hit. That is why Chad Johson is tough to trade too. The bengals would take like a $8 Million cap hit.

[jonnyloback]

I guess I was just reading that Ryan has a lot of faith in Gholston still and wants to make Gholston his project for the upcoming season - that kind of says a lot about a defensive player with what Ryan did for the Ravens defense. No?

There are just ways to get in or around salary cap hit even if they are being exceeded, it's based on what the team is willing to do. Granted no team wants to run out of cap space then continue to sign players, and I do agree that signing Suggs is PROBABLY a larger priority based on his performance last year. It's all just a process of checks and balances as I see it, maintaining equality between all teams. If i'm wrong then i'm wrong. I'll admit that maybe I don't get the cap fully. I have seen that signing bonuses can sometimes make it go up, while releasing or trading players can have the team penalized at the beginning of the following season.

[baltiMORE RAVENS]

[quote name='jonnyloback' post='183680' date='Apr 23 2009, 11:33 PM']I guess I was just reading that Ryan has a lot of faith in Gholston still and wants to make Gholston his project for the upcoming season - that kind of says a lot about a defensive player with what Ryan did for the Ravens defense. No?

There are just ways to get in or around salary cap hit even if they are being exceeded, it's based on what the team is willing to do. Granted no team wants to run out of cap space then continue to sign players, and I do agree that signing Suggs is PROBABLY a larger priority based on his performance last year. It's all just a process of checks and balances as I see it, maintaining equality between all teams. If i'm wrong then i'm wrong. I'll admit that maybe I don't get the cap fully. I have seen that signing bonuses can sometimes make it go up, while releasing or trading players can have the team penalized at the beginning of the following season[/quote]

What would you expect Rex to say? He got tons of questions about his new team and his plans for specific players. Do you think he would say, "Well, Gholston sucks but I might be able to do something with him."

I am not saying Gholston can't be good, but you can't read an article about Rex Ryan and take anything from that. I don't care what people say, show what you can do on the field and then you can get some respect.

[jonnyloback]

I did just read up on it though. Apparently the cap is 63% of the leagues GDR for all teams this year. There are benefits to an owner using a signing bonus because it doesn't really lower the cap amount and in some cases raises it; but if the player is traded, waived or released, it comes out of the current years cap room. Is that what it is with McGahee, that his signing bonus would automatically be reconstructed into THIS fiscal year? I'm not gonna swell up and pretend that I know, because I know nothing about his contract or most of the cap regulations for that matter.

I don't expect him to say that at all. I just don't see many LB, DE, DTs that are taken in the top ten that end up being busts in the short term.

[baltiMORE RAVENS]

[quote name='jonnyloback' post='183684' date='Apr 23 2009, 11:42 PM']I did just read up on it though. Apparently the cap is 63% of the leagues GDR for all teams this year. There are benefits to an owner using a signing bonus because it doesn't really lower the cap amount and in some cases raises it; but if the player is traded, waived or released, it comes out of the current years cap room. Is that what it is with McGahee, that his signing bonus would automatically be reconstructed into THIS fiscal year? I'm not gonna swell up and pretend that I know, because I know nothing about his contract or most of the cap regulations for that matter.

I don't expect him to say that at all. I just don't see many LB, DE, DTs that are taken in the top ten that end up being busts in the short term.[/quote]

Yeah that is the major issue with dealing McGahee. The cap hit would be enormous.