For All You Dhb Lovers

[BloodRaven]

Im not a fan of DHB at all, hes going to be a high risk boom or bust. But so was Flacco, and after he worked out DHB he said he was VERY IMPRESSED with his skill set and ability.

So who knows.

[ravensfan2430]

i'll preface this statement by saying that i am impartial to the picking of DHB. I have not formed an educated decision about him b/c i have not seen him play.

At the age of 22, 23 someones hands will not improve drastically. through repitition of hand eye coordination drills and such they may improve slightly, but at 22 or 23 what you got is pretty much what you got.

again im not saying having average hands are a reason for someone not to get picked. TO did pretty well w. avg. hands.

[Ravnet]

This thread is groundbreaking; I previously thought that speed was a good thing, but after seeing your astounding logic, I now realize that being fast is bad.

Thanks so much.

[codizzle]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='182079' date='Apr 19 2009, 09:23 PM']This thread is groundbreaking; I previously thought that speed was a good thing, but after seeing your astounding logic, I now realize that being fast is bad.

Thanks so much.[/quote]
lol finally some criticism from u that i really like lol
just messing with u ravnet but u hit the nail on the head

so does this mean that TE's are better than WR's since they are slower but can still catch.. whoa

[wolfzie06]

There's no way anyone can post on this board and not say that DHB being a local has not made him a more attractive option to the fans of the Baltimore Ravens. When you look at him, people must remember that guys like him are there every year and not many of them do well. Would I like to have him? Probably, but I don't think you can pay him 1st round money when he should really be a mid-2nd round pick. I can go back and name guys who were incredibly fast and tall and strong and got drafted early, only to end up not being nearly as good as the hype. Want proof? Troy Williamson, Patrick Johnson, Ashley Lelie, Donte Stallworth, Charles Rogers, Devery Henderson....need I go on?

[ZIBBY28]

im not saying im a big DHB fan, but that original post is kind of ridiculous dude.. i can give you dozens of "speed WRs" in the NFL that have had great careers

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='ZIBBY28' post='182091' date='Apr 19 2009, 09:41 PM']im not saying im a big DHB fan, but that original post is kind of ridiculous dude.. i can give you dozens of "speed WRs" in the NFL that have had great careers[/quote]

Guys who were productive in College, have good hands, run good routes etc etc ETC [b]ETC ETC!!![/b]

[codizzle]

this thread reminds me of john madden...

"Now that randy moss is fast and he can jump. So we see here that he jumps in the air catches the ball and BOOM uses his speed to runand he runs past everyone right into the endzone. You better watch out for those receivers that can run and catch. They're dangerous."

useless information that makes no sense

[Reddawn36]

i really think the most productive WR this year will be in either the 2nd/3rd round.... or in the later rounds.... let me state this so ppl don't start arguing with me I AM NO SCOUT OR GM (nor john madden)

Crabtree.... idk just something i don't like about him
Maclin... will be alright, he'll be better than crabtree imo
Harvin.... will be decent, (pains me to say this as i'm a gators fan) i don't think he'll have a stellar career
DHB..... will be more inconsistency for us
Britt.... he's good, just not necessarily what we're after
Nicks.... he will probably be the best of the first round projected ppl, due to his hands of gold
Robiskie i think will do very well in the NFL from Day 1


don't get me wrong, all of these guys are extremely good so far... otherwise they wouldn't be here, but for most of these WR's I wouldn't consider them first round talent.... due to the extremely high hit/miss ratio

you could say same thing about QB's, but you can't win w/o one in this league

[Ozzsome]

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[Corvus]

If we go WR in the first, I like Kenny Britt, Hakeem Nicks, and Heyward-Bey in that order. If we wait, hopefully Brian Robiskie is there towards the end of the 2nd. Robiskie and Nicks are the two most NFL ready that we would have a shot at drafting.

[#23]

[quote name='Ray The Day' post='182212' date='Apr 20 2009, 07:20 AM']all you gus say ted ginn has no QB thats why he is not as good as everybody expected, but (i totally agree with bloodraven) look at calvin johnson ted ginn has a 300000000 times better QB than johnson, i mean i can throw better than orlovsky, and johnson is still very productive[/quote]


Orlovsky can still throw the ball on a rope 30+ yards downfield unlike Pennington. Ginn has a more efficient, game-managing QB and even though Chad is a better QB he still has the weaker arm considerably. If Calvin Johnson was on the dolphins, he wouldn't be able to run the FADE or GO routes because Pennington wouldnt be able to reach him. For Orlovsky, all he had to do was throw it as far and as high as he could for the 6'5 Calvin Johnson to out-jump the 5'11 CB.

[McBoller]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' post='181891' date='Apr 19 2009, 01:00 PM']They say DHB...[/quote]
This is the problem with the guy. Nobody wants to hear "they say so-and-so..."
What you want to hear is "So-and-so IS" and it better be the truth.

[Bazard]

[quote name='Ray The Day' post='181925' date='Apr 19 2009, 01:59 PM']No, because Randy Moss was more productive than Crabtree in college[/quote]

Randy was in one of the worst football conferences at the time it was easy for him to pick apart teams because he was so amazingly gifted

[Bazard]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' post='181891' date='Apr 19 2009, 01:00 PM']Speed WRs aren't "bad" but not many of them turn out because they are so used to relying on their skills rather than technique. They say DHB is a hard worker and route-running and hands can be taught over time but this team needs a #1 receiver now.[/quote]
Marvin Harrison, Steve Smith, Andre Johnson, Laveranues Coles, Torry Holt, Randy Moss, T.O, Lee Evans, Roddy White, Braylon Edwards, Calvin Johnson, and Issac Bruce, are all speedsters who are and were very successful sure you can name a few guys who were bust but you can name just as many who were successful.


[quote name='ravensfan2430' post='182057' date='Apr 19 2009, 09:53 PM']i'll preface this statement by saying that i am impartial to the picking of DHB. I have not formed an educated decision about him b/c i have not seen him play.

At the age of 22, 23 someones hands will not improve drastically. through repitition of hand eye coordination drills and such they may improve slightly, but at 22 or 23 what you got is pretty much what you got.

again im not saying having average hands are a reason for someone not to get picked. TO did pretty well w. avg. hands.[/quote]

His problem isn't hands but it is consistent concentration he can make all the one handers and jump balls he just needs consistent concentration.

[Lets_Go_Joe]

McShay on ESPN just said DHB is the second most overrated player in the draft. For what its worth, people are realizing his production isn't anywhere near what it should be with the natural talent he has.

[McBoller]

who was THE most overrated? i say Chris Wells

[Lets_Go_Joe]

[quote name='McBoller' post='182269' date='Apr 20 2009, 01:25 PM']who was THE most overrated? i say Chris Wells[/quote]
Josh Freeman - He said mid 2nd round prospect but because of Flacco's success, people are hoping lightning can strike twice.

He didn't say Beanie was overrated, but said Knowshon Moreno was the most complete back in the draft. So basically he doesn't like Beanie as much as some others.

[cheeze]

[quote name='Lets_Go_Joe' post='182281' date='Apr 20 2009, 01:49 PM']Josh Freeman - He said mid 2nd round prospect but because of Flacco's success, people are hoping lightning can strike twice.

He didn't say Beanie was overrated, but said Knowshon Moreno was the most complete back in the draft. So basically he doesn't like Beanie as much as some others.[/quote]

Yeah, he said that Moreno was the most underrated i believe.

[wolfzie06]

[quote name='cheeze' post='182311' date='Apr 20 2009, 03:07 PM']Yeah, he said that Moreno was the most underrated i believe.[/quote]

I really really like Knowshon Moreno. I think he is a complete package at RB and some team in the mid-1st round is going to be lucky to get him. His work ethic is tremendous. I don't think Beanie Wells is going to be a bust, but I think he has to be more of a power back and a change-of-pace back. I think that Moreno can be a RB who gets 80-90% of the snaps.

[WRX123]

I am a big Nicks fan. I really like him. I think his hands and rout running make up for the speed. I mean we have selected the fast huys before and they did not really turn out for us. Figurs comes to mind. I would like to see the Ravens go after Nicks in this draft. I would like to see Joe throing to a guy that you know has good hands and is going to fight for the catch.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='Ray The Day' post='181889' date='Apr 19 2009, 12:58 PM']Do you guys know Ted Ginn Jr.?
Do you guys know Patrick Johnson?

I know them and yes they are fast, but no they can not catch the football and cant run routes

Ted Ginn was great at college and the 9th overall pick in the 2007 NFL draft for the Miami Dolphins

Patrick Johnson was also good at college and too fast just like Ted Ginn Jr. and the 42nd overall pick in the 1998 NFL draft for the Baltimore Ravens


So what tell you all these facts? Speed WRs are bad

For all the guys who want the Ravens to draft DHB, he will be long gone i can predict you a pick:


[b]With the 7th overall pick in the 2009 NFL draft the Oakland Raiders select Darrius Heyward-Bey WR Maryland[/b][/quote]

Based on D H-B's private workout with us, he caught the ball extremely well and also ran crisp routes....

[lowrider]

DHB is overrated. I hope he goes before 26 so the ravens aren't even tempted with this bust. Before the combine, there was no one talking about DHB. His hands scare me they are so unreliable. Give me Nicks who has gametime speed more than 40 speed and steady hands.

[bscott57]

DHB is going to cost a GM (whichever is dumb enough to take him) their job, Millen must be really happy he isnt still sitting in Detroit because he would probably have a large chub waiting to take him at #1 overall. He is going to make a boat ton of money his first couple years and then fade off into the abyss just like the other 98% of the NFL prospects from UMD....this had nothing to do with where he is from but where he is from has made him overly relevant on this message board. He is a horse with great speed and can probably run a fly with the best of them, but I would still rather have Usain Bolt than DHB suiting up for the Ravens next year.

[edreedfromtheu]

An earlier poster mentioned it, but it needs to be reiterated:

Heyward-Bey was on NOBODY'S board in the first 3 rounds of the draft. So he's the fastest time at the combine, and suddenly that means he's going to be awesome in the NFL?

[RoflDogs]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' post='182660' date='Apr 21 2009, 02:31 PM']Based on D H-B's private workout with us, he caught the ball extremely well and also ran crisp routes....[/quote]

Based on sources, that was total BS (because they can't bash a player in the press)
and that DHB did not do well in certain areas (attacking the ball, route running, etc etc.)

[BuckWilds]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' post='181901' date='Apr 19 2009, 01:25 PM']Same with me. Robiskie isn't as gifted as DHB, Maclin or Harvin but knows how to play the position better than any of them and is a "character guy" too.[/quote]

I'm not willing to go the T.O. route, but there is only so far "character" gets you - and I'm not sure it goes that far into the first round.

[BuckWilds]

[quote name='RoflDogs' post='182757' date='Apr 21 2009, 07:37 PM']Based on sources, that was total BS (because they can't bash a player in the press)
and that DHB did not do well in certain areas (attacking the ball, route running, etc etc.)[/quote]

The attacking the ball issue always makes me nervous with wide receivers. There are two ends to a reception and when receivers expect it to be perfect every time I think of pee-wee football skills...

[BloodRaven]

The record of failures among 1st round recievers let alone "potential" WRs is something only complete idiots ignore.

[Bazard]

why are people pre determining somebodys success who has yet to play a NFL down yet when you draft any player you are drafting them based on potential their are a ton of guys who are not great in college and are great in the pros just as there are a ton of guys that are great in college that suck in the pros and their are some who were average or even below average in the pros who are very successfull a la tom brady, jeff garcia, terrell davis.