For All You Dhb Lovers

[Ozzsome]

Do you guys know Ted Ginn Jr.?
Do you guys know Patrick Johnson?

I know them and yes they are fast, but no they can not catch the football and cant run routes

Ted Ginn was great at college and the 9th overall pick in the 2007 NFL draft for the Miami Dolphins

Patrick Johnson was also good at college and too fast just like Ted Ginn Jr. and the 42nd overall pick in the 1998 NFL draft for the Baltimore Ravens


So what tell you all these facts? Speed WRs are bad

For all the guys who want the Ravens to draft DHB, he will be long gone i can predict you a pick:


[b]With the 7th overall pick in the 2009 NFL draft the Oakland Raiders select Darrius Heyward-Bey WR Maryland[/b]

[Ed_Reed20]

Speed WRs aren't "bad" but not many of them turn out because they are so used to relying on their skills rather than technique. They say DHB is a hard worker and route-running and hands can be taught over time but this team needs a #1 receiver now.

[Ed_Reed20]

Speed WRs aren't "bad" but not many of them turn out because they are so used to relying on their athleticism rather than technique. They say DHB is a hard worker and route-running and hands can be taught over time but this team needs a #1 receiver now.

[CP`C-Pain`CP]

It would be awesome if the raiders drafted DHB and Maclin slipped back into 26th or close to where we could trade.

What the heck am I saying? I'm wearing my Mizzou fandom goggles again.

I would love it though, I wouldnt look at my Maclin jersey and go, eww, he plays for the raiders?

[Ozzsome]

I want that we trade down and draft brian robiskie and if we dont draft a WR i want that we draft clint sintim

[Ozzsome]

[quote name='CP`C-Pain`CP' post='181896' date='Apr 19 2009, 07:16 PM']It would be awesome if the raiders drafted DHB and Maclin slipped back into 26th or close to where we could trade.

What the heck am I saying? I'm wearing my Mizzou fandom goggles again.

I would love it though, I wouldnt look at my Maclin jersey and go, eww, he plays for the raiders?[/quote]
i think al davis decides between these two recievers and i hope he takes DHB and we get maklin

4.3 40 yard dash 6-1 DHB is an al davis type player

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Ray The Day' post='181898' date='Apr 19 2009, 01:20 PM']I want that we trade down and draft brian robiskie and if we dont draft a WR i want that we draft clint sintim[/quote]

Same with me. Robiskie isn't as gifted as DHB, Maclin or Harvin but knows how to play the position better than any of them and is a "character guy" too.

[bossman419]

IMO Maclin is not much better than DHB. Both run shoddy routes the only difference Maclin might have the better hands.

The Ravens should either go with Nicks at 26 or trade back and get Robiske in the second. Robiske isn't the fastest guy but he catches everything and has great technique.

[Ravens52]

DHB is bigger then both those guys you named.

[SIZZLE4PRESIDENT]

and who says ginn is a bust? last year was just his second year and he was pretty solid. He should keep getting better

[bossman419]

DHB is 6'2", Robiske is 6'3", Nicks is 6'1"

Not much difference.

[Ozzsome]

[quote name='Ravens52' post='181906' date='Apr 19 2009, 07:29 PM']DHB is bigger then both those guys you named.[/quote]
no hes not

[Ozzsome]

[quote name='SIZZLE4PRESIDENT' post='181911' date='Apr 19 2009, 07:31 PM']and who says ginn is a bust? last year was just his second year and he was pretty solid. He should keep getting better[/quote]
i

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Ray The Day' post='181914' date='Apr 19 2009, 01:33 PM']no hes not[/quote]

I don't know about Johnson but DHB is definitely bigger than Ginn.

[RoflDogs]

So are you saying Randy Moss should've failed in the NFL?

[Ozzsome]

[quote name='RoflDogs' post='181920' date='Apr 19 2009, 07:50 PM']So are you saying Randy Moss should've failed in the NFL?[/quote]
No, because Randy Moss was more productive than Crabtree in college

[#23]

[quote name='Ray The Day' post='181915' date='Apr 19 2009, 01:34 PM']i

[RoflDogs]

[quote name='Ray The Day' post='181925' date='Apr 19 2009, 01:59 PM']No, because Randy Moss was more productive than Crabtree in college[/quote]


That statement is totally irrelevant.....

You are saying that most speed receivers are unsuccessful in the NFL, but to back yourself up, you mention Crabtree, who is not a speed receiver at all.

[Ozzsome]

[quote name='RoflDogs' post='181933' date='Apr 19 2009, 08:14 PM']That statement is totally irrelevant.....

You are saying that most speed receivers are unsuccessful in the NFL, but to back yourself up, you mention Crabtree, who is not a speed receiver at all.[/quote]
randy moss didnt only run away of defenders in college , he also caught deep passes if you watch a highlight tape of DHB in college you see that 80% of the passes he catches are slants or screens and those routs can run and catch every body

i just want to say that speed recievers are usually not really productive in the pros

[Sizzle]

Everyone knows Ted Gin JR can catch the ball he just didn't translate well into the nfl because bad Qb's in miami. Although i don't like DHB alot because he had 8 plays over 50 yards and he had 700 or something yards in 2008 which means he is not going to be an every down guy sometimes he wont even catch the ball for a whole game.

[Marc2k6]

We can always wait until Saturday and see what happens live on TV!

[Bullrush]

Ginn has great hands, he doesn't really drop anything and he makes a lot of great catches. But he's stuck with a noodle arm QB in Miami.

Heyward Bey doesn't have great or even good hands.

[Harlemknight]

I say we get Kenny Britt Or DHB. I like Kenny better though.

[Sizzle]

[quote name='Marc2k6' post='181979' date='Apr 19 2009, 04:25 PM']We can always wait until Saturday and see what happens live on TV! [/quote]
You mean Sunday?

[ravensandhoos]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' post='181891' date='Apr 19 2009, 12:00 PM']Speed WRs aren't "bad" but not many of them turn out because they are so used to relying on their skills rather than technique. They say DHB is a hard worker and route-running and hands can be taught over time but this team needs a #1 receiver now.[/quote]


I don't quite know what to say to this! I'm trying to be kind here, but "hands" are identical to "speed." Neither can be taught. You either have them or you don't. In 45 years of watching NFL football, I've never, and I mean never, heard of a WR improving their "hands" through "teaching." I guess this could be the first time in 45 years of the NFL that a WR gets taught to have good hands.

Route running is a slightly different matter, but not "hands."

[Marc2k6]

[quote name='Sizzle' post='181993' date='Apr 19 2009, 05:27 PM']You mean Sunday?[/quote]
The last time I checked Rounds 1 and 2 of the NFL Draft are on Saturday April 25 starting at 4:00pm. Maybe you have a different calendar than me. I will start watching on Saturday at 4:00 pm, you start watching on Sunday!

[agpowell]

Are you kidding me, motor programmes such as catching is something that can be greatly improved. Granted, the most drastic development is in youth but repetitive practice WILL improve hands, you can be sure of that. And speed can also be improved by strengthening the fast twitch muscle fibres through weight training and plyometrics, but i get what your saying, speed is naturally gifted to some people and can only be improved to a certain degree. And i do remember that one catch Heyward-Bey made downfield over Alphonso Smith, but yeah catches like that were not on a regular basis. Sorry to go all A-level P.E on you. Like previously said, we will just have to wait until draft day, our opinions aren't going to sway Ozzie, unless he is secretly a member on this forum

[Troy SmiTH Xx]

[quote name='Marc2k6' post='181979' date='Apr 19 2009, 04:25 PM']We can always wait until Saturday and see what happens live on TV! [/quote]


Seriously. You guys are not the GM or the Scouts. If they draft DHB, then you know they have confidence in their pick. Joe Hortiz has done tremendous in our scouting. Don't question what Ozzie does (that is, if he does decide to go with DHB if he's there).

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='Troy SmiTH Xx' post='182026' date='Apr 19 2009, 08:22 PM']Seriously. You guys are not the GM or the Scouts. If they draft DHB, then you know they have confidence in their pick. Joe Hortiz has done tremendous in our scouting. Don't question what Ozzie does (that is, if he does decide to go with DHB if he's there).[/quote]

Well if you have faith in our GM and scouts picking a 1st WR considering our stellar track record. Then lol.

And the usual bad QB excuse is just that, I dont see Calvin Johnson stinking up the field like the rest of his offense.

[theFUTUREis50]

Let me start by saying that I prefer taking Brandon Pettigrew, Ray Malaluga (sp?), Vontae Davis, or Darius Butler if they fall to us at 26. Otherwise I am a fan of trading back for a top second rounder with the hopes of snagging Kenny Britt who I think is the best combination of polished NFL receiver and balanced threat in the number one spot. However, I would not be upset at all with the selection of DHB at 26. Therefore, I feel like your comparison of him to Ginn and Johnson are not valid. While all three are speedsters, Ginn and Johnson measure in at 5'11 while DHB is 6'2 and over 200lbs. Also, Ginn is the only threat that Miami has while DHB would have the likes of Mason and Clayton to relieve the pressure. Not to mention he'd have a rocket arm in Flacco getting him the ball, a valuable asset that Ginn and Johnson cannot say that they enjoy/enjoyed.