A Few Possible Gems/upgrades Within Our Own Depth Chart?

[BloodRaven]

Heres a few young guys I think have huge potential and if given the chance could make a push to start, or at the very least show what they can do in preseason.


QB Troy Smith < Everyone seems to talk him up, even Rex Ryan. May be more than a backup.

WR Justin Harper < Tall and fast, beasted and looked like a real gem in preseason.

G/T Oniel Cousins < Could give us an upgrade in athleticism at RT and power at RG.

G David Hale < Well I dont know what he can do but at least hes stronger than Chester

NT/DT Lamar Divens < Chargers fans LOVED him. Crushes the pocket.

OLB Antwan Barnes < Has size, elite strength, speed and first step. Not sure if it translates yet.

CB Derrick Martin < Very underrated and most improved DB by far before injury.

SS Haruki Nakamura < Ballhawk, tackling was a bit sloppy.

SS Tom Zbikowski < Returner, big hitter, well balanced. Could push Landry?


Thoughts?

[Ed_Reed20]

I've got my eye on Harper and Martin.

Troy Smith is talented but he is the back-up.

[theFRANCHISE]

Waiting on the two safeties and Antwan Barnes to make huge improvements before the other guys you listed.

[Lets_Go_Joe]

[quote name='BloodRaven' post='178623' date='Apr 9 2009, 12:22 PM']QB Troy Smith < Everyone seems to talk him up, even Rex Ryan. May be more than a backup.[/quote]
Not in Baltimore, unless injury. We have the #1 guy for a long time, maybe he will have the chance to go elsewhere, we'll see.

[Ravensfan23]

i will be wacthing martin and Harper this preseason, but i would also like to add a name to your list. Good list by the way.

The guy i would like to see is Edgar Jones. I think with the signing of L.J Smith Jones will be able to move back to his nautral position. Jones is a great Special Teamer and showed the ablity to hold the edge on the run in limited snap on defense last year.

He is a guy much like Suggs that can put his hands in the dirt or rush from that OLB position. Jones is big/strong and has great athleticism as show by his ablity to play TE.

If given the chance i think he could have a huge impact on the defense this year. He like to use his power and strength to pass rush as opposed to his speed and moves. I think being able to stay at one position will help, but also the fact that he played TE will only help when it comes to dropping back into coverage.

I think Jarret Johnson will be up for FA soon and we could have a situation where someone might overpay for him(manly Rex) so i look for the Ravens to allow some of these young OLB to show and prove this training camp.

[Camcamthecoachingman]

Troy Smith is definitely a beast. He won the Heisman for christ's sake. I swear noone gives him the props he deserves. He can make all the throws and scrambles well to avoid pressure. People fail to realize he was above Flacco on the depth chart until the sickness. Only downsize is his height.

Jameel McClain is another stud just awaiting his time. His two safeties last year should have put everyone on to his abilities. I think once he becomes better at dropping back in coverage we could see him in the rotation more. Possibly a 3rd down LB. But he is undeniably good at getting into the backfield.

Scott Kuhn is a big basketball player who could do some real damage once he comes into his own. He's 6'6 257 so we know he can move. Had injury problems last season. However he just has to prove he can catch the rock. Can anyone say Tony Gonzalez or Antonio Gates?? Well maybe not yet, but he's definitely a nice big target. Sadly we shouldn't see much of him with Heap, LJ and Syp in front of him. But don't sleep on a 3 TE scenario to compliment the offset line we saw last season.

Nakamura and Zbikowski are both "Reed-esque" players. Small, but extremely athletic. And who better to school them on the safety position in the NFL than the top safety out there. (I look at the way Jerry Rice was instrumental in giving us the beast that is T.O.) Both guys are trained fighters so we know that they have no problem stepping up in the box to stop the run. Both are respectable kick returners and just true athletes. Odds say that one of these guys is gonna be a jackpot for us.

[Ed_Reed20]

Yep Edgar Jones could be a good player for years. I'm excited to see the battle between Jameel McClain and Tavares Gooden for Bart Scott's vacated spot. The team could draft another ILB(hopefully Frantz Joseph) but it seems like McClain and Gooden will be battling for the spot.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='Camcamthecoachingman' post='178639' date='Apr 9 2009, 12:52 PM']Troy Smith is definitely a beast. He won the Heisman for christ's sake. I swear noone gives him the props he deserves.[/quote]
Before we make this another "Troy Smith thread," the last Heisman Trophy winner to win a Super Bowl was Desmond Howard, who was merely a return specialist. Before that was Marcus Allen. Think about the huge gap between those two.

Not only that, but the only Heisman Trophy-winning quarterbacks in the Super Bowl era to win a Super Bowl were Roger Staubach and Jim Plunkett. The last "successful" Heisman Trophy-winning QB was Carson Palmer, who has been to the playoffs only once in his young career.

Let's not start with the whole, "he won a Heisman, so he's a beast" argument...the Heisman Trophy means virtually nothing in the NFL. Talking about Troy Smith's other attributes are fine, but none of his college accomplishments mean anything in the NFL. After all, if college accomplishments were an indication of professional success, then Joe Flacco never would've helped the team get to 11-5, and Chris Weinke would be an NFL superstar right now.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' post='178647' date='Apr 9 2009, 01:20 PM']Before we make this another "Troy Smith thread," the last Heisman Trophy winner to win a Super Bowl was Desmond Howard, who was merely a return specialist. Before that was Marcus Allen. Think about the huge gap between those two.

Not only that, but the only Heisman Trophy-winning quarterbacks in the Super Bowl era to win a Super Bowl were Roger Staubach and Jim Plunkett. The last "successful" Heisman Trophy-winning QB was Carson Palmer, who has been to the playoffs only once in his young career.

Let's not start with the whole, "he won a Heisman, so he's a beast" argument...the Heisman Trophy means virtually nothing in the NFL. Talking about Troy Smith's other attributes are fine, but none of his college accomplishments mean anything in the NFL. After all, if college accomplishments were an indication of professional success, then Joe Flacco never would've helped the team get to 11-5, and Chris Weinke would be an NFL superstar right now.[/quote]

Well said but the Troy Smith fan-boys will take over this topic shortly.

[SUPERBOWLorBUST]

[quote name='Camcamthecoachingman' post='178639' date='Apr 9 2009, 12:52 PM']Troy Smith is definitely a beast. He won the Heisman for christ's sake. I swear noone gives him the props he deserves. He can make all the throws and scrambles well to avoid pressure. People fail to realize he was above Flacco on the depth chart until the sickness. Only downsize is his height.[/quote]


Only because Flacco was a Rookie, and no one was sure how he would play in the NFL. Look what happened to Boller when he was thrown out there as a rookie......

Flacco earned his spot as the starter. He is our future. Given that, yes....Troy is a beast, and can be utilized in many diferent ways. But as far as starting QB......it's Flacco

[CharmCity]

Getting back on topic, I can't wait to see Naku and Zibby emerge. However, I think Harper is the most intriguing and could provide the most benefit given the need at the WR position.

As for Troy, there's no doubt he has talent and could very well prove to be a starter. Until then, I'm interested to see how his role evolves within the offensive playbook. He can provide play making ability through his runs and throws, along with the strategy to throw off defenses with decoy plays.

Pending health issues, all of these players have potential to show us what they've got.

-Tyler

[AlaskanRavensFan]

yeah i am curious to see if any of the wideouts on our roster can turn out to be any good. Obviously we know what we have with Clayton, Mason, Williams. I noticed though that Cam has brought in larger recievers, more like he had in San Diego. Check it out

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[Ravensfan23]

I think this season is shaping up well for the Ravens. This year's TC will have some many position battles that it will look like a team that was in last place the past season. The position battles will only make us stronger as a team and a stronger baltimore Ravens teams is a dangerous team.

Here are some of the battles off the top of my head that i am interested in seeing.

RT- With the Ravens flirting with Pace, how will Willie Anderson respond. Also he will have a whole year under his belt with the oline. Can Adam Terry or Oniel Cousins step up and force the Vet to the slidelines? We'll see.

RG- If healthy Yanda will regain his starting spot back, but a slow start in TC could allow a guy like Chester/Cousins/Hale/Rookie to spot up and prove their worth. So can Yanda return to the dominate form he showed before the injury?

S- Again if healthy Landry is the starting saftey next to Reed. However with a injury like he had, there is noway to tell if he will have come back being the same pyshical type Safety we are used to. Before the injury Landry was on his way to being one of the better young Safeties in the league. If he starts out slow, then guys like Nakamura, Zibby, and even Stone will have a chance to step up and show they can be counted on much like Leonhard. Even with Landry claiming his job back, that backup role at safety will still be important, so that battle will be big.

RB- Many would say that hands down McGahee is the starter, and i would agree. However i would like to see Willis come to camp 100% healthy and ready to go, if that doesn't happen you could see Rice and McClain taking carries away from him. I will also be interested to see just how much better Ray Rice will be in his second year. He showed some tremendous flashes last season before the injury. I would like to see Lo Neal back to help take the load off of McClain.

WR- I think everyone will be interested in this one. With Flacco, Cam, and the rest of the offense being together a whole year and more comfortable with each other, the offense should be much better and crisp. Can D. Williams come to camp 100% and stay that way? Can M. Smith continue to delevop enough to be used in the regular season? Can someone like Harper, Maxwell, Wheelwright step up and make the Ravens coaches take notice? Will Clayton be able to continue his success and grow with Flacco this year? IF a WR is taken from the draft will he be able to come in and contribute to this team early on, or will he take some time to get his feet wet?

K- Right now Steven is the only Kicker on the roster, but i fully expect the Ravens to bring in some competition for that K position. Huska had one 50+ FG made and one missed. He also did a decent job on KOs, so can he prove to be a primary Kicker? I saw a interview on FOX with Eric Decosta and he joked about a K from USC being the 1st round selection, while that may not be the truth, i do expect a K to be drafted some time doing the 2 day draft. My guess would be Graham Gano of FSU, he is a accurate kicker with a great leg. Might be hard to beleive but think Stover's consistency with Huska's leg strength. Gano can also handle kickoffs and be a backup punter if needed. Most times people are not excited about a Kicking battle but with this being the first year without Stover, i'm sure Baltimore fans will be interested in the K position.

QB- Now before anyone throws rocks at me, hear me out. I am 100% sure that Joe will be the starting QB, however that won't stop Troy from working and preparing as if he will be a starter. Troy is a very competitive guy so it won't be a QB battle but it may look like we have 2 starting QBs in camp this year. Also Troy might be thinking that with a big preseason those trade rumors will become a reality.

LB- I think we have some outstanding young LBs on this roster. With names like McClain, Barnes, Jones, Gooden, Burgress, added to names like Johnson, Ayanbadejo, McCune and a Rookie( hopefully Sintim) the competition will be great. Which one of these young guys will be ready to stepup and continue that trend of Baltimore LBs coming from nowhere to stardom. For the last couple of years everyone has been lookin for a better option then Jarret Johnson, and all he has done is outwork anyone else at that position. So it will be interesting to see if one of the young guys can outwork him these year.

With that many position battles it looks like the Ravens are a team trying to find their way, but i think it just shows how deep the team is. I think having this many position battles will only help when the season starts. Great competition usually translate into great success. With the way Harbs like to coach, the up tempo approach of Cam, and the intensity of the defense this TC should be fun., Everyone will be pushes everyone to get better.

Another interesting thing will be just how the Defense respond to coach Matty. There are reports that he is actually more aggressive then Rex so it will be very fun to watch things play out.

It's April 9th ladies and gentlemen. The draft, OTAs, and mini-camps are here, so football season is close. July 27th will be here before we know it.

[Camcamthecoachingman]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' post='178647' date='Apr 9 2009, 01:20 PM']Before we make this another "Troy Smith thread," the last Heisman Trophy winner to win a Super Bowl was Desmond Howard, who was merely a return specialist. Before that was Marcus Allen. Think about the huge gap between those two.

Not only that, but the only Heisman Trophy-winning quarterbacks in the Super Bowl era to win a Super Bowl were Roger Staubach and Jim Plunkett. The last "successful" Heisman Trophy-winning QB was Carson Palmer, who has been to the playoffs only once in his young career.

Let's not start with the whole, "he won a Heisman, so he's a beast" argument...the Heisman Trophy means virtually nothing in the NFL. Talking about Troy Smith's other attributes are fine, but none of his college accomplishments mean anything in the NFL. After all, if college accomplishments were an indication of professional success, then Joe Flacco never would've helped the team get to 11-5, and Chris Weinke would be an NFL superstar right now.[/quote]


I agree but the one thing we overlook is the Heisman trophy winner usually goes to a struggling franchise and as a rookie its hard to make an impact on a struggling franchise. We only got him because his size caused him to slip in the draft. My thing is he's shown poise in the times that hes gotten game day reps and "athletically" hes equipped with all the tools to be a great QB. However we make out his "physical" attributes to be an end all as far as his ability to be successful as a pro. Look at Drew Brees. He was overlooked because of size and was one of the top QBs for the past few years. In essence a short guy with a Heisman is far from an ordinary short guy..... DONT SLEEP ON TROY!!

[AlaskanRavensFan]

yeah, I like Troy too but I don't think he has the arm strength that Flacco does. I agree though that if Troy had been 6'3'' then he probably would have gone on the first day.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='Camcamthecoachingman' post='178677' date='Apr 9 2009, 03:29 PM']In essence a short guy with a Heisman is far from an ordinary short guy..... DONT SLEEP ON TROY!![/quote]
But [i]that's[/i] what bothers me: what is it about the [i]Heisman Trophy[/i] that makes him different from an "ordinary short guy," as you put it?

I mean, I look at Troy Smith, I don't see a short guy; I see a guy who, in his limited action as a pro, has ran more than he's thrown -- [i]before[/i] the Wildcat offense made him a run-first, gimmicky player. Even looking back at his college career, for a guy whose arm was pretty good at Ohio State, he was still arguably known more for his legs than his arm.

What's the first thing most people think of when they think of Troy Smith: his arm or his legs? Think about it for a second.

My concern is, if Troy Smith will ever succeed as a starting QB in the NFL, he needs to learn how to become a traditional pocket passer before he can start to incorporate scrambling back into his game. The last scrambling QB to win a Super Bowl (and really, the only that I can think of off-hand) was Steve Young, but that was after he became more of a pocket passer.

You've got guys like Donovan McNabb, Steve McNair, and even Randall Cunningham and Daunte Culpepper who were run-first QBs that didn't even come close to tasting a Super Bowl until they developed into pocket passers. Meanwhile, you've got perennial scramblers like Michael Vick and Vince Young who (even in Vick's case) haven't escaped the ceiling that has been placed on their success as running QBs.

Even though Vick came close by advancing to a conference championship game and Young has been to the playoffs, history has shown that they cannot and will not get any closer to a Super Bowl unless they do what their chosen position dictates -- [u]throw[/u] the football.

[Sizzle]

Justin Harper was the 3rd or 4th reciever at Virginia what make you think he will be any good in the nfl? he will probably be gone by next year but i agree with you on Troy Smith, Derrick martin, Antwan Barnes and from the Two safeties i pick Zibi only because he is a good tackler, big hitter too.

[ravensfan2430]

what about marcus smith... he seemed to get some playing time throughout the second half of the season.... who does everyone think will be more productive this year for us? marcus smith or Justin Harper

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='ravensfan2430' post='178718' date='Apr 9 2009, 05:17 PM']what about marcus smith... he seemed to get some playing time throughout the second half of the season.... who does everyone think will be more productive this year for us? marcus smith or Justin Harper[/quote]
Marcus Smith is more likely to be productive than Justin Harper. He was open on a few plays towards the second half of the season, but Flacco would either overthrow him by a hair or Smith wouldn't fight for the ball hard enough. The only way Harper will be more productive is either due to injury or if Harper convincingly plays his way onto the active roster.

[kash96ravenstotalfan]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' post='178648' date='Apr 9 2009, 01:29 PM']Well said but the Troy Smith fan-boys will take over this topic shortly.[/quote]
I hope this will not turn into another Joe vs. Troy thread. Been there, done that. Joe is our franchise QB. Let's move on

[Ed_Reed20]

I'm looking forward to seeing Ray Rice too. I loved his stiff-arm on James Farrior.

[Alexir]

I hope Troy starts for another team next year and gets paid. If he goes to the Browns and whoops our ****** in 2010 I will laugh so freakin hard.

[Alexir]

I like Jameel McClain, too. I think he is a rock that keeps getting chipped to unveil a huge ******ing diamond. Agree with Derrick Martin statement as well.

[Camcamthecoachingman]

Oh I'm pro Troy, but not anti Joe by any means. I'm just sitting comfy knowing we have good depth at the QB position. And Troy can make the throws its just that he can run also so he doesn't have to force any of them. Where a pocket passer has to throw the ball away, a mobile/scrambling QB can get +2 on the play at least..

[Ravensman5220]

Besides Mason, Clayton and Williams we don't have a reciever on our team that is worth a squat. Yamon figurs was able to keep these guys off the field and he has no recieving skill what so ever. He just runs go routes. I mean think back to last year. We were hurting for recievers and tight ends and these guys still couldn't get on the field. That should tell you something.

As for new impact players already on our roster you pretty much can only look at the LB position. Expect to see alot more of McClain, Barnes and Gooden this year. Barnes would have played alot more last year but was hurt most of it.

[Ozzsome]

[quote name='BloodRaven' post='178623' date='Apr 9 2009, 06:22 PM']Heres a few young guys I think have huge potential and if given the chance could make a push to start, or at the very least show what they can do in preseason.


QB Troy Smith < Everyone seems to talk him up, even Rex Ryan. May be more than a backup.

[b]WR Justin Harper < Tall and fast, beasted and looked like a real gem in preseason.
[/b]
G/T Oniel Cousins < Could give us an upgrade in athleticism at RT and power at RG.

G David Hale < Well I dont know what he can do but at least hes stronger than Chester

NT/DT Lamar Divens < Chargers fans LOVED him. Crushes the pocket.

OLB Antwan Barnes < Has size, elite strength, speed and first step. Not sure if it translates yet.

CB Derrick Martin < Very underrated and most improved DB by far before injury.

SS Haruki Nakamura < Ballhawk, tackling was a bit sloppy.

SS Tom Zbikowski < Returner, big hitter, well balanced. Could push Landry?


Thoughts?[/quote]
i really like justin harper, tall, fast can catch the football
maybe he is the deep threat WR we are looking for all the time and nobody knows it yet

[BloodRaven]

I didnt mention a few guys for a few reasons:

Marcus Smith: He did get open but didnt fight for the ball and cant make some catches, didnt seem to do anything to stand out in training camp but we'll see how he develops.

Jameel McClain: Punching above his weight? if he just had a lucky year or is the next James Harrison I wouldnt want to cut him either way. Could allow us to cut Ayanbedejo.

Edgar Jones: This is confusing, he has the measurables and a huge camp showing but was converted to TE. Harbaugh even said he was going to start the AFC Championship game if Suggs was out he would have started.

Tavares Gooden: Jury is out. Hasnt shown anything that warrants so much hype.

Prediction: Jalen Parmele is nothing special and possibly convert to FB. He may be faster than McClain but the guy has no footwork and slows down when he tries to cut.

[bmore20]

[quote name='Sizzle' post='178711' date='Apr 9 2009, 05:11 PM']Justin Harper was the 3rd or 4th reciever at Virginia what make you think he will be any good in the nfl? he will probably be gone by next year but i agree with you on Troy Smith, Derrick martin, Antwan Barnes and from the Two safeties i pick Zibi only because he is a good tackler, big hitter too.[/quote]

actually he went to Virgina Tech and he was the 3rd Wr. the other 2, Josh Morgan (starting for the 49ers) and Eddie Royal (starting for the Broncos) are both good WRs in the league. if you watched Harper last year in the preseason and in Training Camp (as i did) you would know what we are talking about. he is 6'3 220, with great speed and leaping ability. he seems to have a little Randy Moss in him. i know thats pushing it a little, but if we don't take a WR high in the draft, expect Harper to take Marcus Smith's job from him.

as for Troy, he is a back up for a reason. he might have a decent arm, but he can't see through his lineman. i agree, if he was 3 inches taller, he would be a starter, but he isn't. he is in the last year of his deal, and you have to think some team will offer him the opportunity to start. but he was a 5th round pick. if the Heisman meant ANYTHING to NFL scouts, he would have been picked higher. people talk about him like he is a perfect QB... he is far from that...

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='bmore20' post='179220' date='Apr 11 2009, 10:35 AM']actually he went to Virgina Tech and he was the 3rd Wr. the other 2, Josh Morgan (starting for the 49ers) and Eddie Royal (starting for the Broncos) are both good WRs in the league. if you watched Harper last year in the preseason and in Training Camp (as i did) you would know what we are talking about. he is 6'3 220, with great speed and leaping ability. he seems to have a little Randy Moss in him. i know thats pushing it a little, but if we don't take a WR high in the draft, expect Harper to take Marcus Smith's job from him.

as for Troy, he is a back up for a reason. he might have a decent arm, but he can't see through his lineman. i agree, if he was 3 inches taller, he would be a starter, but he isn't. he is in the last year of his deal, and you have to think some team will offer him the opportunity to start. but he was a 5th round pick. if the Heisman meant ANYTHING to NFL scouts, he would have been picked higher. people talk about him like he is a perfect QB... he is far from that...[/quote]

Read the posts, nobody is saying Troy is perfect. He simply has ideal intangables/leadership/character qualities you look for in a signal caller. People forget Drew Brees is under 6ft and wasnt highly regarded, but he is ELITE QB. McNair wasnt the best passer but could make plays with his feet and lead by example.

You can be 6'4", run like the wind and throw the ball 50 feet on one knee but if you dont have the intangibles to rise to the occasion, well, we already know what its like.

[rastaman831226]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' post='178690' date='Apr 9 2009, 03:10 PM']But [i]that's[/i] what bothers me: what is it about the [i]Heisman Trophy[/i] that makes him different from an "ordinary short guy," as you put it?

I mean, I look at Troy Smith, I don't see a short guy; I see a guy who, in his limited action as a pro, has ran more than he's thrown -- [i]before[/i] the Wildcat offense made him a run-first, gimmicky player. Even looking back at his college career, for a guy whose arm was pretty good at Ohio State, he was still arguably known more for his legs than his arm.

What's the first thing most people think of when they think of Troy Smith: his arm or his legs? Think about it for a second.

My concern is, if Troy Smith will ever succeed as a starting QB in the NFL, he needs to learn how to become a traditional pocket passer before he can start to incorporate scrambling back into his game. The last scrambling QB to win a Super Bowl (and really, the only that I can think of off-hand) was Steve Young, but that was after he became more of a pocket passer.

You've got guys like Donovan McNabb, Steve McNair, and even Randall Cunningham and Daunte Culpepper who were run-first QBs that didn't even come close to tasting a Super Bowl until they developed into pocket passers. Meanwhile, you've got perennial scramblers like Michael Vick and Vince Young who (even in Vick's case) haven't escaped the ceiling that has been placed on their success as running QBs.

Even though Vick came close by advancing to a conference championship game and Young has been to the playoffs, history has shown that they cannot and will not get any closer to a Super Bowl unless they do what their chosen position dictates -- [u]throw[/u] the football.[/quote]



Whatta load. When I look at Troy Smith, I see arm, legs, all the intangibles, warrior atitude, and most important, winning background. When I look at early McNabb, McNair, Cunningham, Starbauch, Montana, Vick, Young, and Culpepper, I see QB's who manufactured positive yards and carried whole offenses that lacked receivers who could not get separation. When I look at early Aikman, Fauvre, Meredith, Carr, Bradshaw, and Smith, I see pocket QB's in poor offenses who could only manufacture fumbles, sacks, INT's and lost downs by throwing away the football because they lacked receivers who could get separation. Montana wasn't Montana, Cunningham wasn't Cunningham, Starbauch wasn't Starbauch, Young wasn't Young, and McNair wasn't McNair until their perspective teams acquired either (A) go to receivers or (B) installed offenses that took advantage of their particular talents. For Cunningham, Bradshaw and Culpepper, it was the development of the top flight receiving corps. For Starbauch, it was the installation of the moving pocket to take advantage of his ability to throw on the run. For Young and Montana, it was the installation of the west coast offense and it's elite receiving corps to take advantage of their quick read/short passing skills. Truth be told, none of us has any idea what Troy Smith will accomplish as a starting QB, he's not run an NFL offense for 4 quarters yet. But this we do know, Rex likes him, the team likes him and apparently Cam and Harbaugh like him as they've tried hard to put him on the field in one capacity or other. And who knows, with an inventive and forward thinking mind like Cam Cameron as the Ravens' O coach, what the world of football will have to face with a talented and driven Troy Smith as starting QB should Flacco go down to injury or suffer the dreaded sophmore jinx.