Jets Defense V.s Ravens Defense

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='T-Sizzle55' post='178470' date='Apr 9 2009, 01:26 AM']His Name Is Tavares Gooden!! Get To Know It!!! Because he's about to sack your quarterback![/quote]
You're wrong. Tavares Gooden won't be sacking opposing QBs anytime soon. Totally false!...
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...He'll be dropping back to bat down passes and reel in interceptions instead.

[codizzle]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' post='178480' date='Apr 9 2009, 12:45 AM']You're wrong. Tavares Gooden won't be sacking opposing QBs anytime soon. Totally false!...
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...He'll be dropping back to bat down passes and reel in interceptions instead. [/quote]
No you're wrong sir ...

Our linebackers suck so much we have to drop back our DT haloti ngata to deflect passes and cover te's ... Well at least that's prolly wat all of NFL network thinks LOL

[52Kia Kaha92]

lol
what a joke

[cityboy02]

[quote name='darklight1216' post='178455' date='Apr 9 2009, 12:09 AM']These are probably the same people who said Dallas would win the Superbowl last year.[/quote]

so true

[Ranger275]

During the same segment, they mentioned that we might draft Little Animal. I mean, can you imagine that? Little Animal next to Ray? They'd be giving offensive players snot-bubbles all season long, and the kid is good in coverage/space as well. I'll admit, I pitched a bit of a tent picturing the linebacker rotation we'd have, not to mention how quickly he'd develop with a beast like Lewis mentoring him.

Oh snap, good sirs. Snap, snap, snap.

[MrKingPinn]

I puked in my mouth a little when I watched it last night.

[SUPERBOWLorBUST]

That's just crazy talk......but ok, we can be the underdogs.

[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='AlaskanRavensFan' post='178346' date='Apr 8 2009, 06:55 PM']Good point Franchise. Billick never did much with our offense, and Marvin has yet to do anything with the Bengals D. It probably also has more to do with how the team spends its money and draft pics then who the head coach is.[/quote]
Maybe thats why we got a special-teams coach this time

[plesiosaur]

[quote name='T-Sizzle55' post='178470' date='Apr 9 2009, 01:26 AM']-Ray has lost a step
-They will never have an explosive offense and can't put up points (Steve Young said this after we put up 28 points against the Browns. All he did was reference our 2000 season because he hasn't watch one of our games since the Superbowl)
-Joe Flacco is a rookie, he's bound to make a mistake (I hope they use that same philosophy next year).
-Their defense won't be in the top 10 (I heard Deion Sanders say this, now that hurts. Rediculous!)
-They won't be the same without Rex.
-They have a huge hole now that Scott is gone and need to replace him in the draft (His Name Is Tavares Gooden!! Get To Know It!!! Because he's about to sack your quarterback!).[/quote]

That Browns dude on the State of the Ravens show last night contadicted most of these suppositions. He stated that Flacco matured greatly as a QB throughout the season and that the Ravens' D has remained dominant in spite of DC and personel changes through the years.

Of course, this was coming from a Browns linebacker. Who was that guy?

[bigZ2222]

i really dont think that there gonna be better then us on d but anything can happen but prolly still not gonna happen

[MKdave]

While I think that they are gonna have a really good defense over there (top-10 i'm thinking) it won't be better than ours. The key for them will be getting Gholston playing like his athleticism dictates he should. A quality pass rusher makes everyone elses job easier. They also have Pace on the other side and he's an excellent player too. He got turf toe half way through last season and that restricted his effectiveness, but if the Jets can get Gholston going on the other side then Pace could be looking at a big year. Plus they've got Scott to anchor the LBs in the middle, and Rhodes and Leonhard on the backend. On paper, their D looks good.
But as I said, it's still not up to the quality of ours.

[AlaskanRavensFan]

[quote name='plesiosaur' post='178522' date='Apr 9 2009, 05:49 AM']That Browns dude on the State of the Ravens show last night contadicted most of these suppositions. He stated that Flacco matured greatly as a QB throughout the season and that the Ravens' D has remained dominant in spite of DC and personel changes through the years.

Of course, this was coming from a Browns linebacker. Who was that guy?[/quote]

yeah, Willie McGinest knows defense and he's not on the NFL network payroll. Plus he hates the Jets, after having been a Patriot for so long, so he was less likely to jump on the J-E-T-S bandwagon. I mean the league and its network were just as excited last year when they had Brett Favre. It's New York, they always think they're going to win.

[AlaskanRavensFan]

yeah, that's the one thing I think Rex could definitely help, is to help Jenkins learn how to play nose, since his days with the Panthers were spent one-gap penetrating in the 4-3. The other thing is to get Gholston playing like he should. He did it with suggs and that turned out well. Rex's effect may be limited though since he's the head coach and not the D-coordinator anymore.

I also think the analysts tend to oversimplify the loss of a coach. He didn't bring his whole defensive staff with him to NY. We kept Pagano, Brooks, Mattison and Fangio. He only took Pettine, so it's not like we lost of continuity in the defense.

[justifythegame]

[quote name='samic' post='178318' date='Apr 8 2009, 08:14 PM']I don't know if we discussed this before... but the guys on NFL Network, McGuiness and Wyche, said they felt the Jets D would be better than ours next season. That just sounds crazy to me. They may have some good players but how in their right minds can NFLN compare them to us. they will have some growing pains to go through installing Rex's D and we will be clicking on all cylinders once we're healthy. what are your thoughts/reactions?[/quote]
thats what they said about the bengals D and marvin lewis, its what they said about the jags and del rio, what they said about the niners and nolan/singeltary. its what they always say. Their biggest arguments being every year that our players are too old blah blah blah, last time i checked

CB Foxworth Age 26 DE Pryce Age 33 NT Ngata Age 25 RE Bannan Age 29/Edwards Age 27 CB Washington Age 25



OLB Johnson Age 27 ILB Lewis Age 33 ILB Gooden Age 24 OLB Suggs Age 26



SS Dawan Landry Age 26 FS Ed Reed Age 30

we only got 2 players over 30, and imo the more experienced players are the better ones anyway. Every year people keep saying our DCs are the ones that created our defense. But its ozzie newsome who creates our defense, every 2 or 3 years we get a new DC and he gets unearned praise as the greatest defensive mastermind. gimmie a break. Bart Scott was a great undrafted FA pick up for us, but our 3rd round pick is one day going to make him look like nothing, he might even replace Ray, not just Bart. This team is young and only going to get better. Jets are a joke, their not even the best defense in NY let alone the best team in NY. How many draft picks did they trade for a 100 year old QB to play 1 season and cut their franchise QB? As long as their GM isn't fired, its safe to say the team will remain trash. Wyche doesn't know jack, i swear i heard him say our STs boy McClain was going to replace Bart, he don't know squat and doesn't have the right to talk about our team. We were projected to win 6 games by the same fools, so let them talk, whatever they say - the exact opposite will happen.

[MKdave]

[quote name='justifythegame' post='178539' date='Apr 9 2009, 02:40 PM']... Wyche doesn't know jack, i swear i heard him say our STs boy McClain was going to replace Bart, he don't know squat and doesn't have the right to talk about our team...[/quote]

He might well. McClain looks more game-ready than Gooden.

[Neil]

[quote name='MKdave' post='178541' date='Apr 9 2009, 07:45 AM']He might well. McClain looks more game-ready than Gooden.[/quote]
McClain did well when called upon to play defence last year. There's more there than just a career special-teamer.

[#1 D]

[quote name='MKdave' post='178541' date='Apr 9 2009, 09:45 AM']He might well. McClain looks more game-ready than Gooden.[/quote]

i just hope whoever steps up to the plate becomes successful. but what happneed to prescott burgess? i know he s supposed to be in the LB race, but is he gonna turn into antoher dan cody or what/

[MKdave]

[quote name='#1 D' post='178563' date='Apr 9 2009, 03:31 PM']i just hope whoever steps up to the plate becomes successful. but what happneed to prescott burgess? i know he s supposed to be in the LB race, but is he gonna turn into antoher dan cody or what/[/quote]

Well, he's never really shown us anything, whereas McClain, Ayanbadejo and to a lesser extent Gooden have. So those are going to be the guys in the drivers seat.

[AlaskanRavensFan]

I think McClain is better suited to being an OLB considering he played DE in college. I know that he almost won the Ted Hendricks award, which is for defensive lineman. I don't know if he understands reading his keys as a linbacker and dropping into coverage yet. Gooden may be more mentally ready for the particular position. I just think he may have to put on a few pounds if he's going to be taking on O lineman at times.

[Baltimorebigshot55]

you cant forget david harris on the jets too. he had some injuries last year but he def. is a beast. I see him coming back strong

[neepo13]

I think we have to put it all in context. Obviously, we know what our team has lost before and how we've faired when doing so but the media doesnt pay attention to that. They look at it in terms of this year and this year only. This year we lost a lot. We lost McAlister, Scott, Leonhard, Douglass, and Ivy. Thats a lot of players to lose on one side of the ball. Nevermind that Mac only played 5 games and we were 2-3 with him, that Leonhard only got to start because Landry went down, and Douglass and Ivy were backups. On the other hand you've got the Jets who have only added guys. To understand it you have to be simple minded like the media. So, tell me what looks more appealing, the Ravens who have lost 5 guys and a D- coordinator or the Jets who have added a bunch of guys and a defensive scheme that was very effective elsewhere? Of course its the Jets. Buts this is why they play the games.

[AlaskanRavensFan]

yeah, they definitely have some talent, but I think that the Ravens have an intangible thing that makes them so good on defense. Some of it may be attitude, some of it may be philosophy, but whatever it is, the jets don't have it. Certian teams just play with a level of intensity and ferocity on defense.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='AlaskanRavensFan' post='178624' date='Apr 9 2009, 12:23 PM']yeah, they definitely have some talent, but I think that the Ravens have an intangible thing that makes them so good on defense. Some of it may be attitude, some of it may be philosophy, but whatever it is, the jets don't have it. Certian teams just play with a level of intensity and ferocity on defense.[/quote]
[b]It[/b] is Ray Lewis.

[atcsraven]

Rich Eisen asked guest Willie McGhinest and another announcer who will have the better D now that Rex Ryan is the head coach of the NYJ. Both of them said the JETS! I almost vomited my lunch but managed to blurt out "you gotta be effin kiddin me!" Am I missing something?

[Ravnet]

The Rex Ryan love is more than just slightly comical, but this has already been posted.

You get the impression that Ryan built this defense as people love using the terms "masterminds" and "defensive genius."

He was a good coordinator, but damn, he took over a top-notch squad with numerous all-pro players.

[raven46]

its stupid how with no track record they just think the jets will turn into the no 1 D. Disregard the ravens losing d-cords before and still having top D's. Plus what about the steelers? I dont see how they can just go and predict that.

[Ravnet]

[quote name='raven46' post='178864' date='Apr 9 2009, 10:53 PM']its stupid how with no track record they just think the jets will turn into the no 1 D. Disregard the ravens losing d-cords before and still having top D's. Plus what about the steelers? I dont see how they can just go and predict that.[/quote]

I didn't watch the segment, but nowhere in the original post did it say that the Jets would be number one, just that they're better than the Ravens.

[Alexir]

Hmm, Didn't Marvin Lewis coach this AMAZING defense too before coming a head coach?


How's that working out....

Seriously when it comes down to it, it's the talent and when you have Ed Reed, Haloti Ngata, and Suggs on the same team. It's lights out. Oh and how bout the leadership of 2time DPOY, superbowl MVP Ray Lewis. Shoot, the Jets should have just hired Ozzie Newsome as coach!

[darklight1216]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='178865' date='Apr 9 2009, 10:54 PM']I didn't watch the segment, but nowhere in the original post did it say that the Jets would be number one, just that they're better than the Ravens.[/quote]
Oh okay, they're just better than second best.

[Ravensman5220]

[quote name='atcsraven' post='178856' date='Apr 9 2009, 10:43 PM']Rich Eisen asked guest Willie McGhinest and another announcer who will have the better D now that Rex Ryan is the head coach of the NYJ. Both of them said the JETS! I almost vomited my lunch but managed to blurt out "you gotta be effin kiddin me!" Am I missing something?[/quote]

I agree I spit out my dinner when I hear that. I think they don't understand that even if your a great coach you can only get so much out of players. The Ravens were a great defense because they had many talented players and a great coach. The jets just have a great coach with average talent. That will not equal better.

Total Bull. People need to face facts that the NFL is about talent. If you don't got it all the coaching in the world won't make you great.