Jets Defense V.s Ravens Defense

[samic]

I don't know if we discussed this before... but the guys on NFL Network, McGuiness and Wyche, said they felt the Jets D would be better than ours next season. That just sounds crazy to me. They may have some good players but how in their right minds can NFLN compare them to us. they will have some growing pains to go through installing Rex's D and we will be clicking on all cylinders once we're healthy. what are your thoughts/reactions?

[CecilRavensFan]

What else is new. Seems like were always the Underdogs...

[The Deadman]

the Jets D will be better? LMAO, thats funny. why are they saying that, because they got Scott, Leonard?

[AlaskanRavensFan]

Well, they don't have Ed Reed, they don't have Ray, or Suggs. They don't have Pryce. Their D-lineman are Jenkins, Kenyon Coleman, Shaun Ellis. LB's Scott, Pace, Gholston, Barton. I think that it's a case of what looks and sounds good. Every time we have lost a D-coordinator or player our defense is always questioned. We lost Del Rio, Marvin, Nolan, now Ryan. We've lost Adalius, Hartwell, Boulware (injury/retirement), Adams, McCrary, Burnett, Siragusa, Kemoeatu, Weaver, Douglas, Scott, Demps, Baxter, Starks, now C-mac. If we were going to lose our edge on defense I think it would have happened by now. Ravens play defense, it's what we do.

[The Deadman]

no but they have *gasp* Lito Sheppard

[AlaskanRavensFan]

oh man! how could I forget!!! Yeah, and they have Ivy and Leonard, our two best defenders by far. Well, there goes the team.

I suppose their corner tandem may be better or equal to ours, with Revis, Sheppard, but to think that they are going to be lights out year one, is definitely questionable. Coaches coach, and players play. I question the whole proposal that the AFC east hasn't seen defense like that before. I mean, the Patriots are still the class of that division and I would guess that they understand what Ryan is trying to do. Belichick isn't exactly new to using multiple defensive fronts and looks to overload and confuse offensive blocking schemes.

[The Deadman]

Ivy went to the Browns

[url="http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/player.php?id=3762"]http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/player.php?id=3762[/url]

[The Deadman]

[url="http://www.newyorkjets.com/team/player/1430-marques-douglas"]http://www.newyorkjets.com/team/player/1430-marques-douglas[/url]

Douglas was the 3rd Raven to jump ship

[#1falconfan]

LOL that was funny their d will not be better unless Ray starts to slow down, Reed will stop being a ball hawk, and your new coordinator decides to call stupid plays in obvious situations.

[The Deadman]

Reed will never stop being a ball hawk, that man could play on both sides of the ball if he really wanted to

[RoflDogs]

Alright, I will try to break it all down...

(assuming this applies to next season, I will include all our new and not injured players back)

[u]DL[/u]
RE- Kenyon Coleman (who?) vs Haloti Ngata...... lols

LE- Shaun Ellis vs Trevor Pryce - I would say that Shaun Ellis is better in this one because Ellis has WAAAAY more production compared to Pryce

DT- Kris Jenkins vs Kelly Gregg - Hmmmmm...... I would say Jenkins has the edge here, but just barely...

Lead - Jets by a little

[u]LB[/u]
ROLB- Calvin Pace vs Terrell Suggs - Terrell Suggs is better despite some statistics because he is more well-rounded compared to Pace.

RMLB- Bart Scott vs Tavares Gooden - Bart has this one because Tavares has not proven anything yet cept maybe on ST

LMLB- David Harris vs Ray Lewis - David Harris plays exceptionally well but missed a few games last year, so I will do it as TPG (tackles per game).... Ray Lewis has 7.3 tackles a game. David Harris has 6.8 per game..... doesn't even compare well. Ray Lewis obviously is better here.

LOLB- Bryan Thomas/ Vernon Gholston vs Jarrett Johnson - They are about equal in my opinion

Lead - Ravens

[u]CB[/u]
LCB - Darrelle Revis vs Fabian Washington - Fabian has been playing great of late but Revis is about border-line elite.

RCB - Dwight Lowery vs Dom Foxworth - Foxy all the way even though he has not played a down in purple because Lowery has been burned consistently last year.

Depth - Ravens because we have Samari Rolle plus a Rookie in the draft (probably) and Frank Walker that is pretty solid. I am not aware of how good the Jets depth is, but by looking at the depth chart, it does not look as good as the ravens

Lead - Ravens

[u]S[/u]
FS - Kerry Rhodes vs Ed Reed - Kerry is a good safety, but no one in the league is a better FS than Ed Reed

SS - Eric Smith vs Dawan Landry - I don't know about Smith, but I know Dawan acts like a 5th LB for us and is a complete beast

Lead - Ravens

[b]Overall[/b]
THE RAVENS OF COURSE!!

Those announcers must be foolish, we ranked 2nd in the league and the jets were 16th!!
just because they get Bart it does not even mean they would move up way ahead of us. Plus, we are
getting key players such as Kelly Gregg and Dawan Landry with the addition of Fox.
They can not even compare us to the Jets!

[kash96ravenstotalfan]

[quote name='samic' post='178318' date='Apr 8 2009, 08:14 PM']I don't know if we discussed this before... but the guys on NFL Network, McGuiness and Wyche, said they felt the Jets D would be better than ours next season. That just sounds crazy to me. They may have some good players but how in their right minds can NFLN compare them to us. they will have some growing pains to go through installing Rex's D and we will be clicking on all cylinders once we're healthy. what are your thoughts/reactions?[/quote]
That's insane. So they have Scott and Leonhard. They don;t have Ray-Ray, Suggs, Pryce, Reed, etc.

[AlaskanRavensFan]

oh yeah, my bad on Ivy. But, the point is the same, grabbing a couple Ravens role players does not make the Jets a better D than us. Plus if we can get back Gregg (heard he is working out getting ready for 09) Gooden, Burgess, Edwards, Barnes, Landry, then we will be just fine. We almost have a whole draft class to check out this year just based off of last year's IR.

[The Deadman]

not to mention, we could draft one of the LBs thats ranked high, like Mamaluga, as a replacement to Scott

[theFRANCHISE]

They just assume that the Jets' defense will suddenly become elite because of Rex Ryan. Yet, ironically, it's these same NFL analysts and former players/coaches that forget that a coordinator does not always improve their side of the ball when they become a head coach.

To reiterate, a head coaching job is an ADMINISTRATIVE position, so by that very definition, Rex Ryan cannot be as hands-on with that Jets defense as the fans expect him to be. Even if he designs the schemes and works intimately with the players, he can't devote nearly as much time to it as he did when he was a coordinator. Therefore, he cannot be as (immediately) effective with that side of the ball as he was as a coordinator -- after all, he still has the rest of the team to manage, too.

[AlaskanRavensFan]

did you mean to spell Maualuga like that? Either way, that's a good nickname

Yeah, I wonder what the Jets will look like running some of our defensive schemes. I'm not sure that the Jets have enough experience on D to do as much as we have done the last few years.

I mean, Ray's a seasoned vet and has played in 4-3, 3-4, conservative, aggressive. I'm not sure what identity the Jets D had last year, other than their base 3-4. I saw some of their games, even their good ones, and was never that impressed by any of their players except maybe Jenkins and Revis.

[AlaskanRavensFan]

Good point Franchise. Billick never did much with our offense, and Marvin has yet to do anything with the Bengals D. It probably also has more to do with how the team spends its money and draft pics then who the head coach is.

[AlaskanRavensFan]

I hear that on the filling the linebacker need. But don't you think that there is more value at OLB in the 3-4 rather than ILB? We could pick up an Ayers, Maybin, English. I'll leave it at that before this becomes another draft thread.

[#1falconfan]

I don't listen to anything the so called experts has to say

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='AlaskanRavensFan' post='178346' date='Apr 8 2009, 08:55 PM']Good point Franchise. Billick never did much with our offense, and Marvin has yet to do anything with the Bengals D. It probably also has more to do with how the team spends its money and draft pics then who the head coach is.[/quote]
Well, Tony Dungy was a defensive guru, yet his defenses in Indianapolis were the main reason that the Colts didn't win more Super Bowls during his time there -- and I'd like to say that the Colts are a well-managed organization, so I don't think it's always the draft picks or the money that's the issue.

I think a lot of it has to do with owners setting such high expectations for a major weakness of the team being fixed, by hiring a coordinator as the head coach who specializes in said weakness. Instead, the exact opposite happens, where the strength is only further strengthened, while the weakness is just at a standstill because the head coach can't do what he once did as a coordinator because he simply doesn't have the time.

But then again, this isn't always the case. Sean Payton's Saints have a high-powered offense after Payton's very successful stint with the Cowboys. Bill Belichick's defensive background has served him well in putting together respectable defensive units in New England. And Jeff Fisher's defensive pedigree has fielded some of the more underrated defensive units in the NFL with the Titans.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='#1falconfan' post='178352' date='Apr 8 2009, 09:01 PM']I don't listen to anything the so called experts has to say[/quote]
If I ever become one, you know you'd listen.
(lol, j/k...sorta)

[AlaskanRavensFan]

I agree. For instance hiring Tony Dungy to shore up the defense, didn't have the desired effect because they used their higher draft picks and more money on the offense. Their personnel philosophy is to spend on offense and to bring in young, cheap guys to fit into the Tampa 2 system. It works for them because there aren't that many other teams looking for those types of players. (undersized, but speedy front 7 and slower, more physical, corners)

I also think though that in the Titans and perhaps the Pats case they have good d-coordinators and immense talent on the defensive side of the ball.( I guess pats-crennel,peas; Titans-Schwartz who is an ex-raven) What I'm trying to say is that coaching only goes so far, especially if you don't have good players to execute those plays. Teams that spend money on defense and use higher or more draft picks on defense usually have better defenses. (assuming that they draft pretty well and don't just try to buy a team like the Redskins)

[JHarris]

Marvin Lewis - Bengals defense....nuff said

[bossman419]

As long as we don't play "Prevent" defense when we are winning anymore i'll be happy

[Ravenoid]

Nope. They have Rex R, Bart S. and Jim L. so what. We've had at least a top 5 defense since before we won the Superbowl during which time Rex was just a defensive line coach and neither Bart nor Jim were even on the team. No way. Go home. We got the best.

[darklight1216]

These are probably the same people who said Dallas would win the Superbowl last year.

[The Deadman]

[quote name='darklight1216' post='178455' date='Apr 9 2009, 12:09 AM']These are probably the same people who said Dallas would win the Superbowl last year.[/quote]

[T-Sizzle55]

Good. We like being under the radar and overlooked (hey, we're used to it). I think Ray Lewis wanted to be a ninja or a Navy SEAL growing up because he doesn't mind slipping in under the radar and going unnoticed. We don't need to waist our time focusing on what other people think of us. All of the disrespect in the media just brings Baltimore fans closer together and makes us stand resolute in our love of this great city.

Add this diss to the rest of the pile:
-Ray has lost a step
-They will never have an explosive offense and can't put up points (Steve Young said this after we put up 28 points against the Browns. All he did was reference our 2000 season because he hasn't watch one of our games since the Superbowl)
-Joe Flacco is a rookie, he's bound to make a mistake (I hope they use that same philosophy next year).
-Their defense won't be in the top 10 (I heard Deion Sanders say this, now that hurts. Rediculous!)
-They won't be the same without Rex.
-They have a huge hole now that Scott is gone and need to replace him in the draft (His Name Is Tavares Gooden!! Get To Know It!!! Because he's about to sack your quarterback!).

There are many more please feel free to add to this list.

[T-Sizzle55]

[quote name='darklight1216' post='178455' date='Apr 9 2009, 12:09 AM']These are probably the same people who said Dallas would win the Superbowl last year.[/quote]


Haha Nice one!

[codizzle]

they have freaking vernon gholston of course their defense is gonna be better than ours roflol ahh
I don't care who u are that's funny right there....I'm starting to really everything and anything to do with new York... I love Rex but I'm starting to hope they go 0-16.... I don't know why... They're just getting really annoying !!!!!