On Arpil 25th The Ravens Should...

[52Kia Kaha92]

Ok so i have had a thought, i was reading up that Kansas City is in love with Connor Barwin, they wont take him at 3 and they dont have a 2nd rounder, so what i was thinking was that we could trade with KC, now lets say KC takes BJ Raji to anchor there line at 3 or Aaron Curry to give them a great inside linebacker duo they have a need for an OLB opposite Vrabel or even start ahed of vrabel (the man is a wee bit overrated and very old), so why not trade our first round pick and 5th round pick to KC for there 3rd rounder, 4th rounder, 7th rounder and 2010 1st rounder, it is genius, we get more picks in this years class and we get a a mid to high pick in next years very good class

So Baltimore Trade 1 (26) and 5 (26) to KC for 3 (3), 4 (3), 7 (3) and 2010 1st round pick

Baltimore can then trade up from 26 in round 2 to get Sean Smith, we could then have a draft like this, after we traed 2 (26) and 3 (26) to WAS for 2 (13) aswell as trade 3 (3) to HOU for 3 (15) and 4 (15), we always trade back a lot in the draft and then trade up to get our guy we want, this year is no different


2 (13) - Sean Smith - CB - Big, Physical CB we need
3 (15) - Ramses Barden WR - Big physical WR we need
4 (3) - Ricky Jean Francois DE - great pass rusher from the 3-4 end spot
4 (15) - Cornelius Lewis G - great G, huge sleeper IMO, will push to start
4 (26) - Frantz Joseph ILB - great ILB depth, could be a gem
6 (26) - Nate Davis QB - we need another young QB after all smith will walk next year and Bouman is 50

Plus next year we can have a draft like this
ROund 1 (from KC) - Arelious Benn WR
Round 1 (Baltimore) - Terrance Cody/George Selvie

Thoughts? and dont say it wont happen

[Ed_Reed20]

I love it. Smith is supposedly a project but physically, he has the tools to be great corner. Barden has been compared to Keyshawn physically as well his style of play. And Frantz Joseph is one of my favorite players in the draft.

Arelious Benn is a great thought but it's too early to talk mock drafts for next year.

[codizzle]

That would fly with me... It would prolly tick most on here off though LOL

[RoflDogs]

I think it's too early to think about next years draft
(wait till summer)

[52Kia Kaha92]

i know its too early to think about next yers draft but i think all we need is a big redzone WR like Barden and a physical CB like Smith to be an elite team, we get that plus an additional first rounder, it makes perfect sense, forget about who i thought we could draft next year but think more about the idea i suggested, i think its gold and ozzie is a smart man so i hope he does this, we dont need many pieces we just need depth and a big Physical CB and WR and in this draft we get both plus an extra first rounder (which will most likely be a to 10 pick)

[Ravensfan23]

Ozzie hates given up 1st round picks, so even though having 2 1st rounders in 2010 i dont think Ozzie would trade away the 1st pick and allow almost 2 whole rounds to pass before our first selection.

[52Kia Kaha92]

how is it almost two whole rounds, our first pick woul dbe 2 (26) and i thinkwe would trade up for Sean Smith, also 3 (3) isnt two rounds away from 1 (26)

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='52Kia Kaha92' post='176626' date='Apr 4 2009, 10:41 PM']how is it almost two whole rounds, our first pick woul dbe 2 (26) and i thinkwe would trade up for Sean Smith, also 3 (3) isnt two rounds away from 1 (26)[/quote]

Actually we have what would be the 25th pick of round 2. That pick is the 57th pick of the draft, the last pick of the 2nd round would be 64th, so that is why i say almost 2 full rounds before we pick.

As for us trading up in the 2nd round, well there is no way of being sure u will have a trade partner once the first round trade is done. So if u don't have a trade partner to move up in the 2nd round u are stuck at the 57th pick of the 2nd round.

[52Kia Kaha92]

this is just an idea you realise??
and i got you now about the two round thing lol

[BaltimoreBulldog]

Terrence Cody next year sounds great.

[MKdave]

I can't see Kansas doing that. 1(26) is virtually a second round pick. And you know that the 2010 pick will be a good one from Kansas. So even those two straight up looks a bad deal for KC.

[raven43]

The first two rounds of this draft should be devoted to the defensive side of the ball. First round, we trade up a few spots (ahead of New England) and grab Maualuga. Second round we get Fili Moala. After that, whatevs, I'm good.

[SUPERBOWLorBUST]

I actually see the Ravens moving up in the draft.....I'm starting to think that alot of guys that we are interested in are going to be taken earlier then some had imagined.

[ZIBBY28]

i love the idea of moving back, but you have to have another team to trade with to pick up those extra picks.. thats the hardest part about it.. i cant see ozzie moving up when we only have 6 picks as it is now.. we'll see though

good thought though Kia.. i disagree with some of your picks, but all in all i like the idea behind it

[Moderator 9]

did I miss Kansas City switching to a 3-4 defense? i didn't think so.

last year Kansas City took the best DT in the draft, Glen Dorsey. he's their D-line anchor at this point.

Aaron Curry IS an outside linebacker. probably not in a 3-4 defense, but unless i missed something, KC runs a 4-3. Curry would be opposite Vrabel.

That means they'd be drafting Connor Barwin to play 4-3 DE.

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='Moderator9' post='177657' date='Apr 7 2009, 04:20 PM']did I miss Kansas City switching to a 3-4 defense? i didn't think so.

last year Kansas City took the best DT in the draft, Glen Dorsey. he's their D-line anchor at this point.

Aaron Curry IS an outside linebacker. probably not in a 3-4 defense, but unless i missed something, KC runs a 4-3. Curry would be opposite Vrabel.

That means they'd be drafting Connor Barwin to play 4-3 DE.[/quote]


The Chiefs are probably going to use a Hyrbid 3-4 Defense this year. Pioli (Chiefs new GM) was the GM for the Patriots, who ran a 3-4 defense, so he's use to the personnel required to run a 3-4. Pendergast is coming from Arizona; who ran the hybrid defense, to be the new defensive coordinator for the Chiefs. So more than likely the Chiefs will adopt the 3-4 in some form or fashion.

Glen Dorsey probably isn't a straight up nose guard, so maybe they take BJ Raji @ #3? Aaron Curry is talented enough to play ANY position as a LB, so if he was still available at @ #3 the Chiefs would more than likely use him as a 3-4 ILB if they drafted him. Being that they would probably switch back and forth between the 3-4 & 4-3, he's the PERFECT backer to make that transition.

So it would make sense if they took Connor Barwin in round 2 bcuz he's athletic/flexible enough to play with his hand in the dirt from a 4-3 or by standing up coming of the edge in a 3-4.

[52Kia Kaha92]

once again KC doesnt have a 2nd rounder

and on the chiefs, it was reported they are playing a 3-4 defnse whick shokcs me because that means dorsey is losing of his ability in a 34 IMO

[Moderator 9]

i don't think the chiefs have the personnel now, or after the draft to make a successful switch to a 3-4. and that almost wastes the glen dorsey pick because he might not be as effective as a DE in the 3-4.

[ravens205255]

Do you guys think there is anyway for the Ravens to try and draft Malcolm Jenkins this year? He would be a great pick up for us and he already said he would love to play here in Baltimore. That would DEFINITELY solidify our secondary for sure.

[codizzle]

[quote name='ravens205255' post='177840' date='Apr 7 2009, 11:06 PM']Do you guys think there is anyway for the Ravens to try and draft Malcolm Jenkins this year? He would be a great pick up for us and he already said he would love to play here in Baltimore. That would DEFINITELY solidify our secondary for sure.[/quote]
we have to trade up into the top 13 prolly to get him.... no way we give up the picks/players required to move up that far

[52Kia Kaha92]

word around the league is he is lipping a bith though (jenkins that is)
Many believ he is a late teen pick to early twenties so it wouldnt take that much to move up a nab him although id prolly prefer to stay put unless when can trade up to get Aaron Curry, Andre Smith, Michael Crabtree, BJ Raji or Brian Orakpo which will never happen

[codizzle]

oh yea? ive been on vacation for the past two weeks and have barely been keeping up with draft news.. thats interesting. but yea i dont see us still trading up unless someone crazy like those are available

[MKdave]

[quote name='codizzle' post='177870' date='Apr 8 2009, 07:48 AM']oh yea? ive been on vacation for the past two weeks and have barely been keeping up with draft news.. thats interesting. but yea i dont see us still trading up unless someone crazy like those are available[/quote]

Yeah, I think it's because he's basically being viewed as a safety now, which I think is the wrong thing to do. I know his 40 time wasn't blazing, but being a good corner isn't just about speed and he's proved that he is one in college.

[Moderator 9]

if jenkins felll anywhere CLOSE to the ravens, i wouldn't be surprised to see them do something to move up. jenkins is too good to pass up. i have him as a top 5 talent. jenkins dropping that far because of a 40 time is RIDICULOUS, but it might happen. there's also the possibility that you'll see a run on OTs, pass rushers and maybe WRs in round 1 that could help jenkins drop. he'd be a huge addition to this team

[Ed_Reed20]

The one problem I have with Smith is that he will take time to develop.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Moderator9' post='177985' date='Apr 8 2009, 11:15 AM']if jenkins felll anywhere CLOSE to the ravens, i wouldn't be surprised to see them do something to move up. jenkins is too good to pass up. i have him as a top 5 talent. jenkins dropping that far because of a 40 time is RIDICULOUS, but it might happen. there's also the possibility that you'll see a run on OTs, pass rushers and maybe WRs in round 1 that could help jenkins drop. he'd be a huge addition to this team[/quote]

Do you think he has more potential than Sean Smith?

[WACKO4FLACC0]

I hate when people PREDICT trades... so no comment

[52Kia Kaha92]

On Jenkins,
People over rate a 40 yard dash
his cone drill (which IMO is more important the the 40) was excelent, it was amazing how well he did so IMO he is still a gret CB and is in my top 10 players in this draft

[BaltimoreBulldog]

[quote name='Moderator9' post='177838' date='Apr 8 2009, 12:54 AM']i don't think the chiefs have the personnel now, or after the draft to make a successful switch to a 3-4. and that almost wastes the glen dorsey pick because he might not be as effective as a DE in the 3-4.[/quote]
I agree. Just look at Mangini's lack of success trying to switch to a 3-4 from day one when he showed up with the Jets.

[Moderator 9]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' post='178018' date='Apr 8 2009, 12:22 PM']Do you think he has more potential than Sean Smith?[/quote]


that's a tough one. Smith probably has more potential because he has yet to develop as far as jenkins. jenkins has more experience, played in a bigger system and bigger games, and has more starting experience. I say Smith has the highest ceiling, but Jenkins has the highest floor.....if you follow me