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[72Marshall]

neepo13, on Apr 4 2009, 05:41 PM, said:

Interesting twist. Didnt the Rams new C call Kyle out in his opening press confrence?

The Kyle Boller basher would have you believe that but if you read the entire quote in context he did not call him out, he was explaining how a qb needs to have faith in his OL of which Kyle had none and rightfully so. If Kyle had a decent OL he would have been a much better QB. When you only have 2 seconds to do whatever it is your doing it's hard to be effective. Mike Flynn was a major factor in why the Ravens had no OL for the last 5 years, they was one dimensional in that they could only run block but by the end they couldn't even do that.

I'm happy for Kyle that he will get a shot some where as I knew he would. Unfortunately around here there are more people with little football knowledge to know that Kyle couldn't take a snap, block the defense, throw the ball and catch it. It takes a team but Kyle got all the blame. He would hit receivers in the numbers but the receivers would drop the ball; would the fans blame the receivers? No they blamed Kyle. 1.5 seconds after the snap there would be a defender in the backfield running down Kyle from behind; did they blame the OL? No they blamed Kyle. Mike Flynn stepped on every qb's foot tripping them from Anthony Wright to Kyle Boller to Steve McNair; did any of the other qb's get the blame? NO it was the OL. Did the OL get the blame when Kyle was behind center? No it was Kyle's fault.

I just became a secondary Rams fan and honestly because of the ignorance of the fans and the treatment they gave Kyle Boller; if the Ravens end up playing the Rams with Kyle under center regardless of the situation i.e. pre-season, regular season or playoffs I don't know that I could root for the Ravens in that situation. I would be the biggest Rams fan and Kyle Boller fan and would feel gratified watching the Ravens fans go home with their heads hung. I would be in a no lose situation but would feel a lot better if the Rams won.

I know a lot of you will blast me for saying that, but it's just football and I don't live and die to be a Ravens fan, its only entertainment to me.

[edreedfromtheu]

72Marshall, on Apr 4 2009, 09:07 PM, said:

The Kyle Boller basher would have you believe that but if you read the entire quote in context he did not call him out, he was explaining how a qb needs to have faith in his OL of which Kyle had none and rightfully so. If Kyle had a decent OL he would have been a much better QB. When you only have 2 seconds to do whatever it is your doing it's hard to be effective. Mike Flynn was a major factor in why the Ravens had no OL for the last 5 years, they was one dimensional in that they could only run block but by the end they couldn't even do that.

I'm happy for Kyle that he will get a shot some where as I knew he would. Unfortunately around here there are more people with little football knowledge to know that Kyle couldn't take a snap, block the defense, throw the ball and catch it. It takes a team but Kyle got all the blame. He would hit receivers in the numbers but the receivers would drop the ball; would the fans blame the receivers? No they blamed Kyle. 1.5 seconds after the snap there would be a defender in the backfield running down Kyle from behind; did they blame the OL? No they blamed Kyle. Mike Flynn stepped on every qb's foot tripping them from Anthony Wright to Kyle Boller to Steve McNair; did any of the other qb's get the blame? NO it was the OL. Did the OL get the blame when Kyle was behind center? No it was Kyle's fault.

I just became a secondary Rams fan and honestly because of the ignorance of the fans and the treatment they gave Kyle Boller; if the Ravens end up playing the Rams with Kyle under center regardless of the situation i.e. pre-season, regular season or playoffs I don't know that I could root for the Ravens in that situation. I would be the biggest Rams fan and Kyle Boller fan and would feel gratified watching the Ravens fans go home with their heads hung. I would be in a no lose situation but would feel a lot better if the Rams won.

I know a lot of you will blast me for saying that, but it's just football and I don't live and die to be a Ravens fan, its only entertainment to me.

oh yeah... that line Boller had was just horrible! I mean... they only blocked Jamal Lewis to a 2000 yard season. They only helped Steve McNair ressurect his career and lead the team to the most wins in history. You can keep blaming the line, the playcalling, the coaching, and the receivers... but everyone knows Boller just did not cut it. I'm not saying it was right to boo him when he got injured... but it is right to let the confused like you know that Boller is not good and it is nobody's fault but his own. He just didn't learn from his mistakes, and you need to do that to progress in this league. A LOT of players don't ever do anything past college. Don't take Boller's failure so personally!

[ChiseBack(CB)]

theFRANCHISE, on Apr 5 2009, 07:39 AM, said:

I actually hope he succeeds in St. Louis and replaces Marc Bulger. For all of his mistakes, I still appreciated how much he put up with us when we were dogging him for his poor performance. He could've broken down like so many QBs before him, but instead, he kept getting right back up.

He's a sentimental favorite, even though I hope he never takes another meaningful snap under center for the Ravens ever again, so long as Joe Flacco is around.

Yeah Kyle deserves a shot in a different offense, does anyone know who the offensive coordinator is in St Louis at the moment? If it's Al Saunders I could see Boller having a hard time trying to adapt to his scheme.

[SuggsNotDrugs]

everyone wants to talk about his class, but most guys in the NFL don't talk bad about their fans or their franchise. i dont think his lack of trashing the fans or team in public makes him a nice guy, it means he has common sense. That being said, how many of you actually have encountered him in a non-professional/football setting? He was at Ram's Head in Annapolis a couple years ago, and walked right up to my friend's g/f and said "I'm Kyle Boller, do you want to go home with me tonight?" No joke. I'm a die hard Ravens fan and was psyched to see him there initially, but when he did that, I lost all respect I had for him. I hope he gets broken, the guy is a fake, and a vanilla QB at best. Good ridence, jerk!

[Ed_Reed20]

I wish Kyle all the best in St.Louis.

[theFRANCHISE]

72Marshall, on Apr 4 2009, 09:07 PM, said:

I just became a secondary Rams fan and honestly because of the ignorance of the fans and the treatment they gave Kyle Boller; if the Ravens end up playing the Rams with Kyle under center regardless of the situation i.e. pre-season, regular season or playoffs I don't know that I could root for the Ravens in that situation. I would be the biggest Rams fan and Kyle Boller fan and would feel gratified watching the Ravens fans go home with their heads hung. I would be in a no lose situation but would feel a lot better if the Rams won.

I know a lot of you will blast me for saying that, but it's just football and I don't live and die to be a Ravens fan, its only entertainment to me.

That's your prerogative, and I'll respect that.

I just personally think it's sad that you would get some sort of gratification in seeing your fellow Ravens fans walk home disappointed from a loss, especially if it were a meaningful loss. Then again, you say it's just entertainment to you. And that's fine.

To some of us, football is a little more. Ridiculous? Maybe. But, that's our prerogative.

[72Marshall]

edreedfromtheu, on Apr 4 2009, 09:14 PM, said:

oh yeah... that line Boller had was just horrible! I mean... they only blocked Jamal Lewis to a 2000 yard season. They only helped Steve McNair ressurect his career and lead the team to the most wins in history. You can keep blaming the line, the playcalling, the coaching, and the receivers... but everyone knows Boller just did not cut it. I'm not saying it was right to boo him when he got injured... but it is right to let the confused like you know that Boller is not good and it is nobody's fault but his own. He just didn't learn from his mistakes, and you need to do that to progress in this league. A LOT of players don't ever do anything past college. Don't take Boller's failure so personally!

Yeah Steve had a great season just check his stats, he barely survived the first season and had to make comebacks in the final minutes to win games. How long did Steve last his final year? How many times was he tripped by the center? Plus Steve had more talent around him then Kyle ever had. Name the recievers Kyle had to work with.

Notice I said the OL was one dimensional (Run Blocking) but then they couldn't even do that just ask Jamal himself.

Did you by any chance notice how well the line played last year without Flynn and Ogden? Coinencedence? I don't think so.

[72Marshall]

theFRANCHISE, on Apr 4 2009, 09:38 PM, said:

That's your prerogative, and I'll respect that.

I just personally think it's sad that you would get some sort of gratification in seeing your fellow Ravens fans walk home disappointed from a loss, especially if it were a meaningful loss. Then again, you say it's just entertainment to you. And that's fine.

To some of us, football is a little more. Ridiculous? Maybe. But, that's our prerogative.

To each his own, I've seen and read way more people get satisfaction from Boller failing then I have ever professed for a fellow fan. Just read this thread and do a search on the many message boards for the Ravens, Oh and listen to sports talk radio tomorrow and Monday and tell me what you hear from the fans about Boller...

[72Marshall]

edreedfromtheu, on Apr 4 2009, 09:14 PM, said:

oh yeah... that line Boller had was just horrible! I mean... they only blocked Jamal Lewis to a 2000 yard season. They only helped Steve McNair ressurect his career and lead the team to the most wins in history. You can keep blaming the line, the playcalling, the coaching, and the receivers... but everyone knows Boller just did not cut it. I'm not saying it was right to boo him when he got injured... but it is right to let the confused like you know that Boller is not good and it is nobody's fault but his own. He just didn't learn from his mistakes, and you need to do that to progress in this league. A LOT of players don't ever do anything past college. Don't take Boller's failure so personally!

I forgot to comment on this;

I don't take it personally, I just got tired of hearing people blame EVERY THING that happen on Boller and will be happy to see him succeed or fail on his own merits. He had a horrible team around him on offense anyway but no one would ever place blame where it was due.

Edited by 72Marshall, 04 April 2009 - 09:21 PM.

[theFRANCHISE]

72Marshall, on Apr 4 2009, 10:07 PM, said:

To each his own, I've seen and read way more people get satisfaction from Boller failing then I have ever professed for a fellow fan. Just read this thread and do a search on the many message boards for the Ravens, Oh and listen to sports talk radio tomorrow and Monday and tell me what you hear from the fans about Boller...

On the same token, do you really expect anyone to react any way but with indifference or disdain towards a player when he leaves after a failed stint?

How do you think Oakland fans felt about Randy Moss when it looked like he was a bum without Daunte Culpepper? How do you think the Bucs fans felt about Steve Young or Trent Dilfer?

[72Marshall]

theFRANCHISE, on Apr 4 2009, 10:14 PM, said:

On the same token, do you really expect anyone to react any way but with indifference or disdain towards a player when he leaves after a failed stint?

How do you think Oakland fans felt about Randy Moss when it looked like he was a bum without Daunte Culpepper? How do you think the Bucs fans felt about Steve Young or Trent Dilfer?

That's fine but these fans had distain for an ACTIVE Ravens player. Booed his commitment and cheered his injuries. I'd say the situations are completely different.

[SUPERBOWLorBUST]

72Marshall, on Apr 4 2009, 09:07 PM, said:

The Kyle Boller basher would have you believe that but if you read the entire quote in context he did not call him out, he was explaining how a qb needs to have faith in his OL of which Kyle had none and rightfully so. If Kyle had a decent OL he would have been a much better QB. When you only have 2 seconds to do whatever it is your doing it's hard to be effective. Mike Flynn was a major factor in why the Ravens had no OL for the last 5 years, they was one dimensional in that they could only run block but by the end they couldn't even do that.

I'm happy for Kyle that he will get a shot some where as I knew he would. Unfortunately around here there are more people with little football knowledge to know that Kyle couldn't take a snap, block the defense, throw the ball and catch it. It takes a team but Kyle got all the blame. He would hit receivers in the numbers but the receivers would drop the ball; would the fans blame the receivers? No they blamed Kyle. 1.5 seconds after the snap there would be a defender in the backfield running down Kyle from behind; did they blame the OL? No they blamed Kyle. Mike Flynn stepped on every qb's foot tripping them from Anthony Wright to Kyle Boller to Steve McNair; did any of the other qb's get the blame? NO it was the OL. Did the OL get the blame when Kyle was behind center? No it was Kyle's fault.

I just became a secondary Rams fan and honestly because of the ignorance of the fans and the treatment they gave Kyle Boller; if the Ravens end up playing the Rams with Kyle under center regardless of the situation i.e. pre-season, regular season or playoffs I don't know that I could root for the Ravens in that situation. I would be the biggest Rams fan and Kyle Boller fan and would feel gratified watching the Ravens fans go home with their heads hung. I would be in a no lose situation but would feel a lot better if the Rams won.

I know a lot of you will blast me for saying that, but it's just football and I don't live and die to be a Ravens fan, its only entertainment to me.

the receivers were blamed too.....but in all due respect, a QB needs to be able to make something happen. And if you would really switch sides and root against the Ravens, youre not a true fan.....

[SUPERBOWLorBUST]

72Marshall, on Apr 4 2009, 10:21 PM, said:

That's fine but these fans had distain for an ACTIVE Ravens player. Booed his commitment and cheered his injuries. I'd say the situations are completely different.

and honestly, I don't think it was so much as cheering his injury....it was more of cheering that Anthony Wright was coming in.... I don't think any decent person would cheer over a players injury.....

[theFRANCHISE]

SUPERBOWLorBUST, on Apr 4 2009, 10:25 PM, said:

and honestly, I don't think it was so much as cheering his injury....it was more of cheering that Anthony Wright was coming in.... I don't think any decent person would cheer over a players injury.....

I'm inclined to agree with that. After all, I remember people cheering when Boller came in because of how badly McNair had been playing in 2007. And I remember people cheering when Troy Smith came in because of how badly Boller had been playing. And so on, and so forth.

[SUPERBOWLorBUST]

theFRANCHISE, on Apr 4 2009, 10:26 PM, said:

I'm inclined to agree with that. After all, I remember people cheering when Boller came in because of how badly McNair had been playing in 2007. And I remember people cheering when Troy Smith came in because of how badly Boller had been playing. And so on, and so forth.

It's just the vicious cycle of the life in the NFL - - What are you doing for us now?

[72Marshall]

SUPERBOWLorBUST, on Apr 4 2009, 10:22 PM, said:

the receivers were blamed too.....but in all due respect, a QB needs to be able to make something happen. And if you would really switch sides and root against the Ravens, youre not a true fan.....

What does it mean to be a true fan?

Does it mean I'm a better person because I'm a fan of a sports team? What good comes from being a true fan? Is my life going to get better? Will I have more money? Get a promotion?

I couldn't careless about the level of my fandomship. I'm not a true fan of any actor or actress; I'm not a true fan of any Band or artist. SO why is it so important to be a true fan of a sports team?

[72Marshall]

SUPERBOWLorBUST, on Apr 4 2009, 10:25 PM, said:

and honestly, I don't think it was so much as cheering his injury....it was more of cheering that Anthony Wright was coming in.... I don't think any decent person would cheer over a players injury.....

Umm....No they was cheering his injury because they wanted him gone. But you are right no DECENT person would cheer an injury, Just Cleveland and Baltimore fans.

[theFRANCHISE]

72Marshall, on Apr 4 2009, 10:34 PM, said:

Umm....No they was cheering his injury because they wanted him gone. But you are right no DECENT person would cheer an injury, Just Cleveland and Baltimore fans.

I think we'll just end this debate right here. There was no need for that one.

[SUPERBOWLorBUST]

72Marshall, on Apr 4 2009, 10:31 PM, said:

What does it mean to be a true fan?

Does it mean I'm a better person because I'm a fan of a sports team? What good comes from being a true fan? Is my life going to get better? Will I have more money? Get a promotion?

I couldn't careless about the level of my fandomship. I'm not a true fan of any actor or actress; I'm not a true fan of any Band or artist. SO why is it so important to be a true fan of a sports team?

So then why are you here? Are you one of those guys that hop on the bandwagon and root for who's winning? I bet you are....

72Marshall, on Apr 4 2009, 10:34 PM, said:

Umm....No they was cheering his injury because they wanted him gone. But you are right no DECENT person would cheer an injury, Just Cleveland and Baltimore fans.

I think your speaking for yourself here. I was at that game, and every single person I spoke with was cheering because Boller was coming out of the game. They were happy that Wright was coming in.

[72Marshall]

SUPERBOWLorBUST, on Apr 4 2009, 10:38 PM, said:

So then why are you here? Are you one of those guys that hop on the bandwagon and root for who's winning? I bet you are....

Actually I've been a fan since 1996, I have the original Ravens attire to prove it. I sat through the Marchabroda years faithfully and attended many FREE games from so called TRUE fans that gladly gave me their tickets.

SUPERBOWLorBUST, on Apr 4 2009, 10:38 PM, said:

I think your speaking for yourself here. I was at that game, and every single person I spoke with was cheering because Boller was coming out of the game. They were happy that Wright was coming in.

No I'm not speaking for myself. When the player is lying on the ground grabing his leg in obvious pain and the fans are Cheering, they are cheering an injury. When a player is running on the field and the fans are cheering they are cheering for the player coming in. In this situation the two didn't happen at the same time. Kyle was injured the fans cheered, after Kyle was helped off the field then Anthony came in, (not much cheering)