[RavensIQ]

flynismo, on Apr 11 2009, 12:53 AM, said:

I'm down!

Ok, you bring the plastic cups + Napkins and I'll bring the Cake + Vodka

BloodRaven, on Apr 11 2009, 02:01 AM, said:

Are you kidding? one look into Rays eyes and Boller is going straight into the fetal position.

This post has been edited by RavensIQ: 11 April 2009 - 03:48 PM

[72Marshall]

RavensIQ, on Apr 10 2009, 11:36 PM, said:

Yeah, sorry to be the first one to tell you this, but Kyle Boller was on the team too when we drafted Joe Flacco...

Boller has had 6 seasons with the Ravens to prove himself in practice, in training camp, and in the regular season and he FAILED MISERABLY to establish himself as the clear cut franchise QB. How many more chances does 1 guy deserve? 53 games is 52 too many

He's played in 53 regular season games. In 53 games he put up 7,846 yards through the air. In 16 games Flacco put up nearly half that....as a rookie

Boller averaged 6 yards per throw as a Baltimore Raven

He had 45 TDs + 44 INTs
His career QB rating is 71.9
He had 36 fumbles

Face it...Boller is a bust! A bum! For goodness sake man Tony Banks had a better career than Kyle Boller!

Give it a rest! There's a reason Kyle Boller isn't on our team anymore and Troy Smith is....

I'm not the one touting Boller as the savior. At least Boller had 3 seasons before they drafted a qb in the first round. They Drafted Flacco after seeing Troy Smith play 2 games and 9 minutes. Boller was drafted in the first round; Troy Smith was passed over by 32 teams 4 times before he was drafted in the 5th round. The only reason Troy Smith is still on the team is because he's still under contract and he's being paid minimum salary. He's a never has been and a never will be. BTW Boller just signed for 1 year 1.5 million, not bad for a bust. Where's Akili Smith? How many teams did he play for? That's what you call a bust. Why didn't Leftwich sign before Boller?

The problem we have is you think Troy Smith should be a starter, you probably think he should be starting over Flacco. Troy Smith is an ok #2 and a great #3, he'll never be starter material in the NFL he's just not. Boller is a great #2 IMO he's probably the best backup qb in the league and he's a good starter. He's not great and he's not the best, he could be really good in the right system. Troy Smith is Michael Vick without the speed. His first instinct is to run; you will never be successful in the NFL being a running qb. You have to play in the pocket and scramble when needed, that's not Troy Smith's game he's a running qb. You can get away with it in college as he did but they will destroy you in the NFL ala the Seattle game when he managed 1 first down in the entire first half.

Troy Smith was practically handed the starting job all he had to do was play well in one half of a preseason game. He was even told he could play the whole game if he needed to but he played so bad he was benched before the half was even over and that's in a preseason game. What do you possibly think he could do in a real game? Flacco on the other hand played well enough in one preseason game, a game in which he didn't even know he was going to play until the last minute, but played well enough to raise some eyebrows. His second preseason game went even better.

Look for me this isn't as much about Boller as it is about people that think Troy Smith is a viable answer as #2. Troy Smith is a viable answer as #2 if Flacco gets hurt and can't finish a game. But if Flacco goes down for 2, 3, 4 games and Troy Smith is our backup we're screwed. When teams have time to game plan against Smith it's going to be over just like we saw in Seattle.

[RavensIQ]

72Marshall, on Apr 11 2009, 05:43 PM, said:

I'm not the one touting Boller as the savior. At least Boller had 3 seasons before they drafted a qb in the first round. They Drafted Flacco after seeing Troy Smith play 2 games and 9 minutes. Boller was drafted in the first round; Troy Smith was passed over by 32 teams 4 times before he was drafted in the 5th round. The only reason Troy Smith is still on the team is because he's still under contract and he's being paid minimum salary. He's a never has been and a never will be. BTW Boller just signed for 1 year 1.5 million, not bad for a bust. Where's Akili Smith? How many teams did he play for? That's what you call a bust. Why didn't Leftwich sign before Boller?

The problem we have is you think Troy Smith should be a starter, you probably think he should be starting over Flacco. Troy Smith is an ok #2 and a great #3, he'll never be starter material in the NFL he's just not. Boller is a great #2 IMO he's probably the best backup qb in the league and he's a good starter. He's not great and he's not the best, he could be really good in the right system. Troy Smith is Michael Vick without the speed. His first instinct is to run; you will never be successful in the NFL being a running qb. You have to play in the pocket and scramble when needed, that's not Troy Smith's game he's a running qb. You can get away with it in college as he did but they will destroy you in the NFL ala the Seattle game when he managed 1 first down in the entire first half.

Troy Smith was practically handed the starting job all he had to do was play well in one half of a preseason game. He was even told he could play the whole game if he needed to but he played so bad he was benched before the half was even over and that's in a preseason game. What do you possibly think he could do in a real game? Flacco on the other hand played well enough in one preseason game, a game in which he didn't even know he was going to play until the last minute, but played well enough to raise some eyebrows. His second preseason game went even better.

Look for me this isn't as much about Boller as it is about people that think Troy Smith is a viable answer as #2. Troy Smith is a viable answer as #2 if Flacco gets hurt and can't finish a game. But if Flacco goes down for 2, 3, 4 games and Troy Smith is our backup we're screwed. When teams have time to game plan against Smith it's going to be over just like we saw in Seattle.

I didn't know ur A** had fingers. A lot of nothin being type, coming from you know where...Troy Smith was in the league 1 year b4 Flacco, and the reason he didn't start then, was because McNair was our QB at the time (you know, when Boller was benched).

I think it's funny hearing you say Troy Smith isn't starting material when Harbaugh and staff rave on about how they have 2 NFL starting Qbs on the Roster...but what do they know? They're just the guys who...COACH!! I mean, Troy was the starter last year b4 he caught tonsilitis and was seriously Ill for 3 months. If he doesn't get sick who knows, maybe Flacco isn't our QB of the future? The same way if Bledsoe doesn't go down Brady may never have been discovered.

You're knocking a guy who hasn't had a chance yet to succeed, I'm knocking a guy who has had 6 seasons worth of chances and has failed every single time. Admire a man's toughness, fine, nothing wrong with that, but admire a man's failures...


"If you can accept losing, you can't win" - Vince Lombardi

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Every Quarterback takin in that 2003 draft has pretty much fell under the hype. Carson Palmer hasnt been much of a stud, byron leftwich rex grossman kyle boller all have been first round busts chris simms was the only decent one(drafted in the 3rd round) untill his spine incident. Tony Romo was the undrafted kid of the 03 class and i like romo cus every Cowboy fan i know (which is a lot) hates him so much no ****-eo >>(GO ROMO-eo)<< no ****-eo but i mean gheese the 2003 qb class might have cost a "draft Experts" job.. MANG

This post has been edited by RAVh-i-p.h-o-pENS: 11 April 2009 - 06:23 PM

[72Marshall]

RavensIQ, on Apr 11 2009, 07:22 PM, said:

I didn't know ur A** had fingers. A lot of nothin being type, coming from you know where...Troy Smith was in the league 1 year b4 Flacco, and the reason he didn't start then, was because McNair was our QB at the time (you know, when Boller was benched).

I think it's funny hearing you say Troy Smith isn't starting material when Harbaugh and staff rave on about how they have 2 NFL starting Qbs on the Roster...but what do they know? They're just the guys who...COACH!! I mean, Troy was the starter last year b4 he caught tonsilitis and was seriously Ill for 3 months. If he doesn't get sick who knows, maybe Flacco isn't our QB of the future? The same way if Bledsoe doesn't go down Brady may never have been discovered.

You're knocking a guy who hasn't had a chance yet to succeed, I'm knocking a guy who has had 6 seasons worth of chances and has failed every single time. Admire a man's toughness, fine, nothing wrong with that, but admire a man's failures...


"If you can accept losing, you can't win" - Vince Lombardi

I think its funny how you make an argument about Boller being a bum and a bust yet Troy Smith can't even break the starting line up against as you say a bust and Wheel Chair McNair. Ozzie Newsome said just a couple of weeks ago that Boller could be a starter in this league but what does he know?

The facts are the facts, Troy Smith was drafted in the 5th round, and Kyle Boller was drafted in the first round. Regardless if either deserved to be drafted where they was someone felt that's where they deserved to be drafted. It only took 19 teams before someone thought that Boller was worthy of drafting. It took 76+ teams before someone thought that Troy Smith was worthy of drafting. Kyle Boller started week 1 in his rookie year albeit against Anthony Wright and someone else I can't even remember but he did start and went 5-3 before he got hurt. Then went on to start his entire sophomore year going 9-7 and just missed the playoffs, and yet again he was the starter in year 3 before he got hurt. He went on to be an excellent backup for McNair helping the team win 13 games in his 4th year. I know you won't admit it but McNair didn't exactly hold up every game in 2006 and Boller had to come in and win some games. I said earlier Troy Smith was handed the starting job, it was his and all he had to do was play one good half of preseason football. There's very little if any game planning that goes on in preseason and he fell flat on his face, he was benched in a preseason game, I mean come on preseason?? And the most important fact that you won't recognize is the Ravens traded up to draft Joe Flacco. It's not like they was sitting there and Flacco was available and they said what the heck lets draft the guy. No they sent scouts out along with Newsome, Harbaugh and Camron for a private workout. Where is Troy Smith in their mind when their making plans to have a private workout with Flacco? Where's Troy Smith in their minds when they trade up to draft Flacco? Why does someone trade up to draft Flacco if they think Troy Smith is a starter? Maybe they think he's a starter but just not a starter that can take them to the playoffs, or maybe they don't want to say publicly that they don't have a lot of faith in their backup to be a starter, but everything they've done since 2007 says otherwise. That's not me talking that's the facts talking.

And where's Boller? He didn't workout so well, not all due to him but he's not without fault. He's had injury problems but that happens in the NFL, yet he signs a 1 year 1.5 million dollar contract to be a backup on a team that holds the #2 draft position in this year’s draft.

[flynismo]

RAVh-i-p.h-o-pENS, on Apr 11 2009, 07:22 PM, said:

Every Quarterback takin in that 2003 draft has pretty much fell under the hype. Carson Palmer hasnt been much of a stud, byron leftwich rex grossman kyle boller all have been first round busts chris simms was the only decent one(drafted in the 3rd round) untill his spine incident. Tony Romo was the undrafted kid of the 03 class and i like romo cus every Cowboy fan i know (which is a lot) hates him so much no ****-eo >>(GO ROMO-eo)<< no ****-eo but i mean gheese the 2003 qb class might have cost a "draft Experts" job.. MANG

Huh? Palmer has been an elite QB since his second year as a starter. And also, how did Simms make the "only decent one" list? What has he done, especially in comparison to Palmer?

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flynismo, on Apr 12 2009, 06:31 PM, said:

Huh? Palmer has been an elite QB since his second year as a starter. And also, how did Simms make the "only decent one" list? What has he done, especially in comparison to Palmer?

Ughh carson palmer hasnt even won one playoff game and they both have started in a playoff game and lost (so in essence their equal), he can rack up as much stats as he wants winning is everything when i look at QBs and yea simms might not have been a reliable starter but he didnt start as much games as boller and grossman did so he had potential.. im not sayin simms would have turned out to be a studd he probably would have stunk but his stunk would have been better then bollers stunk, maybe grossman's stunk is ahead ov simms stunk just cus of the superbowl run he had

This post has been edited by RAVh-i-p.h-o-pENS: 13 April 2009 - 02:06 AM

[edreedfromtheu]

Let's save all this talk for NEXT offseason.

See, Flacco was the starting QB for a team that went to the AFC Championship.

Troy now is the CLEAR number 2, with Boller FINALLY gone.

Troy is also a free agent after this season... and can go elsewhere.

Boller is playing behind a QB that is almost certain to get injured.


So after this season we can see how Flacco did.

How Boller did.

Where Troy goes.

And if Flacco were to get injured... we would have gotten to see what Troy did.




It's that simple. You all can talk about who was told what during training camp, but I highly doubt any of you were actually part of the conversation. And going off what you read in a Mike Preston article isn't going to cut it. So just relax, watch some Capitals playoff hockey, wait for the NFL schedule to be released tomorrow night, and if you still need something to fill an empty hole in your life... go watch an O's game and get some nachos while you are there.

This post has been edited by edreedfromtheu: 13 April 2009 - 10:08 AM