Time To Take Out The Trash

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[quote name='flynismo' date='28 March 2009 - 11:21 AM' timestamp='1238253663' post='173805']
Ok, so being a regular here for a few months, I have noticed that there are several myths prevailing amongst some of our purple brethren. Let's examine these myths, and give them the proper burial that they deserve. Consider this a public service!

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Myth #1[/b][/u]
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Life after Ray Lewis [/i]

Many believe that L.a.R.L. is the football god's equivalent of damnation, sending our defense to the greatest depths of hell previously only resided by the lowest of the lower life forms (Detriot Lions, Cincinnati Bengals, Cleveland Browns, Pacman Jones, etc.). Boys and girls, THIS IS A LIE. In a sport where an individual's success is so heavily reliant upon the talent supporting him, I propose to you that our defense made Ray Lewis the legend that he is, not the other way around. As we all know, Baltimore has always had an embarrassment of riches on the defensive side of the ball, and Ray has benefitted immensely from the presence of the other greats. Hence, Ray's public campaign to recruit guys like Haloti Ngata. Ray knows who butters his bread.

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Myth #2[/b][/u]

[i]We don't need X wide reciever, we are a run first team![/i]

Well, duh! Maybe we're a running team because our recievers suck?? And not for a lack of trying, we've already burned a couple first round picks on WR over the past few years. Make no mistake about it, if you can't run the ball, you're not going to win many games. But in order to bring that trophy home, a balanced offense is need. You HAVE to be able to make plays through the air consistently as well. That doesn't mean that you need a top 10 passing attack, it merely means that you need to be able to make plays though the air when needed. Yes, we DO need X wide reciever!!


[u][b]Myth #3[/b][/u]
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Mark Clayton is an emerging deep threat.[/i]

I guess technically, this is true, due to the word "emerging". What a great word that is! It allows one to apply any arbitrary amount of time necessary to substantiate your pathetic debate.
"[i]True, Clayton hasn't done anything in his four years in the league, but he is still emerging![/i]" Do you see the silliness in that statement? No? Then nevermind, you're hopeless and I'm wasting my valuable time on you pissants.

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Myth #4[/b][/u]
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"Ozzie is god, yo!" "Ozzie is soo kewl!" "Ozzie is da man![/i]"

Actually, not quite sure how this got on my list, because it is all true. Never question the wizardary of Oz.


There are several more newer myths developing, but they are so asinine that even the majority of the mouthbreathers attempting to read this thread can recognize them for what they are, so I shall not waste any more of my precious knowledge on the unwashed masses.

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I don't know how this post slipped by me. Maybe it was the title and I didn't think I wanted to get to know you THAT WELL. lol.

But this thread reminds me of David Koresh and the "Branch Dividians," because I have never seen such universal approval for such a "scewered" thought found in Myth #1. (joke too)

To say that Ray Lewis has benefited from the [u]OTHER GREATS AROUND HIM[/u][i][/i] is just pure fantasy. When Ray landed in Baltimore, we had never even heard of what defense on a football field. This guy brought passion, leadership and exitement of watching defense. Other defensive players caught "the bug" and therefore a tradition was born in Baltimore.

For about a five year stretch, Ray played middle linebacker like no one before. And in the Super Bowl year, he basically willed the defense to glory, inspite of an impotent offense. This had NEVER been done in the history of football.

It is obvious that Rays speed, power and explosiveness has declined over the years, but you should NEVER underestimate what his leadership means to this team. It WILL INDEED be hard to replace Ray. Ozzie knows it. Harbaugh knows it too. That's why they overpaid him to stay a couple more years until they can groom someone to replace him. And Personally, I haven't seen that new leader as of yet.

[flynismo]

[quote name='hammer' date='13 October 2009 - 05:12 PM' timestamp='1255468375' post='256367']
I don't know how this post slipped by me. Maybe it was the title and I didn't think I wanted to get to know you THAT WELL. lol.

But this thread reminds me of David Koresh and the "Branch Dividians," because I have never seen such universal approval for such a "scewered" thought found in Myth #1. (joke too)

To say that Ray Lewis has benefited from the [u]OTHER GREATS AROUND HIM[/u][i][/i] is just pure fantasy. When Ray landed in Baltimore, we had never even heard of what defense on a football field. This guy brought passion, leadership and exitement of watching defense. Other defensive players caught "the bug" and therefore a tradition was born in Baltimore.

For about a five year stretch, Ray played middle linebacker like no one before. And in the Super Bowl year, he basically willed the defense to glory, inspite of an impotent offense. This had NEVER been done in the history of football.

It is obvious that Rays speed, power and explosiveness has declined over the years, but you should NEVER underestimate what his leadership means to this team. It WILL INDEED be hard to replace Ray. Ozzie knows it. Harbaugh knows it too. That's why they overpaid him to stay a couple more years until they can groom someone to replace him. And Personally, I haven't seen that new leader as of yet.
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dude, I dunno if you noticed, but our defense SUCKED the first few years Ray was here.
But I digress.....
I suppose it is reasonable to believe that having Goose, Adams, McCrary and Ferg blocking for Ray had absolutely nothing to do with Ray's success, or those guys in addition to Starks, McAlister, Boulware, Sharper and Woodson had absolutely nothing to do with our defense being great, it has ALL been Ray Ray. I mean, how could they possibly make Ray look better than he really is?? Clearly it is more reasonable to believe that it is Ray who had a greater affect on ten other men's success than it is to believe those ten men helped make Ray who he is.

[Ed_Reed20]

Just going with the title, the team needs to get rid of Carr and L.J. Smith. What do you they really bring to this team?

[Bltravens]

[quote name='flynismo' date='13 October 2009 - 04:18 PM' timestamp='1255472292' post='256407']
dude, I dunno if you noticed, but our defense SUCKED the first few years Ray was here.
But I digress.....
I suppose it is reasonable to believe that having Goose, Adams, McCrary and Ferg blocking for Ray had absolutely nothing to do with Ray's success, or those guys in addition to Starks, McAlister, Boulware, Sharper and Woodson had absolutely nothing to do with our defense being great, it has ALL been Ray Ray. I mean, how could they possibly make Ray look better than he really is?? Clearly it is more reasonable to believe that it is Ray who had a greater affect on ten other men's success than it is to believe those ten men helped make Ray who he is.
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Ya but that goes for any great player. Jerry Rice is useless if Boller is throwing to him, we saw how mediocre Warner was without Holt and Bruce in NY, and then he got a good WR corps again and its like 1999 all over. All good players need good players around them to be good, its up to the good player to be great.

PS, Boulware, Starks, CMac, Sharper, Adams, and McCrary all need to ingest massive amounts of HGH and come back....tomorrow.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='13 October 2009 - 06:23 PM' timestamp='1255472624' post='256408']
Just going with the title, the team needs to get rid of Carr and L.J. Smith. What do you they really bring to this team?
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You mean other than frustration and disappointment? Nothing really. They need to pack their bags and take Frank Walker with them.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Bltravens' date='13 October 2009 - 06:40 PM' timestamp='1255473623' post='256415']
Ya but that goes for any great player. Jerry Rice is useless if Boller is throwing to him, we saw how mediocre Warner was without Holt and Bruce in NY, and then he got a good WR corps again and its like 1999 all over. All good players need good players around them to be good, its up to the good player to be great.

PS, Boulware, Starks, CMac, Sharper, Adams, and McCrary all need to ingest massive amounts of HGH and come back....tomorrow.
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No doubt, I'm not saying those guys didnt benefit from having Ray aboard, everyone benefiitted. Particularly Ray.

And lets not be greedy. I'll be happy with just Petey and Cmac <3

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='flynismo' date='13 October 2009 - 06:48 PM' timestamp='1255474081' post='256418']
You mean other than frustration and disappointment? Nothing really. They need to pack their bags and take Frank Walker with them.
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At least Walker gives you some toughness and he showed he can play little in the Jags game last year. Carr is not only small and weak but he's not very good either. He hasn't been very effective doing what the team brought him here to do(return kicks) and he's failed miserably as a nickel.

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[quote name='flynismo' date='13 October 2009 - 06:52 PM' timestamp='1255474346' post='256424']
No doubt, I'm not saying those guys didnt benefit from having Ray aboard, everyone benefiitted. Particularly Ray.

And lets not be greedy. I'll be happy with just Petey and Cmac <3
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I think HISTORY (and the rest of the world for that matter) has already spoken on Ray's performance over his career with the Ravens.

Micheal Jordan led the Bulls, even though he didn't score ALL of the points. Reggie Jackson was THE STRAW THAT STIRRED THE DRINK. Larry Bird, was the leader of the Celtics, even though they had the best center (Parrish) and power forward (McHale) in the league.

So too, I say that the Ravens would have been competetive without Ray, but they would not have been SPECIAL. Ray IS that kinda guy. SPECIAL.

[flynismo]

[quote name='hammer' date='13 October 2009 - 07:18 PM' timestamp='1255475898' post='256446']
I think HISTORY (and the rest of the world for that matter) has already spoken on Ray's performance over his career with the Ravens.

Micheal Jordan led the Bulls, even though he didn't score ALL of the points. Reggie Jackson was THE STRAW THAT STIRRED THE DRINK. Larry Bird, was the leader of the Celtics, even though they had the best center (Parrish) and power forward (McHale) in the league.

So too, I say that the Ravens would have been competetive without Ray, but they would not have been SPECIAL. Ray IS that kinda guy. SPECIAL.
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Oh he's special aright. Probably took the short limo to skool.

Ok, horrible jokes aside, he is a special player. I'm not trying to take anything away from Ray.

I'm just not going to pretend that our defense is going to fold like a lawnchair without him.

[Steelerkillers]

[quote name='flynismo' date='13 October 2009 - 07:49 PM' timestamp='1255477790' post='256477']
Oh he's special aright. Probably took the short limo to skool.

Ok, horrible jokes aside, he is a special player. I'm not trying to take anything away from Ray.

I'm just not going to pretend that our defense is going to fold like a lawnchair without him.
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its fair to say that they dont play as intense/effective, and their chances of success are much smaller without him. Having or not having a Peyton Manning in uniform will have the same effect. i dont disagree with your point. Until he's actually gone, we wont know much

[Bltravens]

[quote name='flynismo' date='13 October 2009 - 05:49 PM' timestamp='1255477790' post='256477']
Oh he's special aright. Probably took the short limo to skool.

Ok, horrible jokes aside, he is a special player. I'm not trying to take anything away from Ray.

I'm just not going to pretend that our defense is going to fold like a lawnchair without him.
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Although without him this year the defense would be worse than JV and we would be 2-3 with wins against the winless Chiefs, and Browns.

[Steelerkillers]

[quote name='Bltravens' date='13 October 2009 - 08:01 PM' timestamp='1255478503' post='256498']
Although without him this year the defense would be worse than JV and we would be 2-3 with wins against the winless Chiefs, and Browns.
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Arguably wouldv lost that Chargers game! But we can sit on here and go back & forth about his presence vs absence. The only evidence we have to legitimize anything about Ray is his Hall of Fame, legendary career as the greatest LB & Raven of All-Time. Theres no fact or Fiction available to make the debate of a Rayless-Successful-Defense rellevant. Its just open for personal perception and interpretation, Thats It!!!

[JoeFlax]

this should be made an official myth thread and pinned I say

[Steelerkillers]

[quote name='JoeFlax' date='13 October 2009 - 08:25 PM' timestamp='1255479908' post='256540']
this should be made an official myth thread and pinned I say
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lol.true!

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[quote name='flynismo' date='13 October 2009 - 07:49 PM' timestamp='1255477790' post='256477']
Oh he's special aright. Probably took the short limo to skool.

Ok, horrible jokes aside, he is a special player. I'm not trying to take anything away from Ray.

I'm just not going to pretend that our defense is going to fold like a lawnchair without him.
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Interestingly enough, I am extremely curious and equally concerned as to what the Ravens would look like without Ray. But Honestly, the thought scares the (....) out of me. Especially this year. Ray has a confidence and mental toughness that believe or not, is rare (Bird, Jordan, Tiger, Munson, Manning, Montana, Jeter, Singltary, FLACCO?????).

Even with all of the money, ego's and prestige, all GOOD sports teams have "pecking orders" OR leaders if you should say. Ray is definitely one of those kinda guys. Like LINUS's blanket.

[Steelerkillers]

[quote name='hammer' date='13 October 2009 - 09:08 PM' timestamp='1255482490' post='256575']
Interestingly enough, I am extremely curious and equally concerned as to what the Ravens would look like without Ray. But Honestly, the thought scares the (....) out of me. Especially this year. Ray has a confidence and mental toughness that believe or not, is rare (Bird, Jordan, Tiger, Munson, Manning, Montana, Jeter, Singltary, FLACCO?????).

Even with all of the money, ego's and prestige, all GOOD sports teams have "pecking orders" OR leaders if you should say. Ray is definitely one of those kinda guys. Like LINUS's blanket.
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Well put Mr! This was on the tip of my tongue. You Stole it! lol

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Steelerkillers' date='13 October 2009 - 06:15 PM' timestamp='1255479318' post='256528']
Arguably wouldv lost that Chargers game! But we can sit on here and go back & forth about his presence vs absence. The only evidence we have to legitimize anything about Ray is his Hall of Fame, legendary career as the greatest LB & Raven of All-Time. Theres no fact or Fiction available to make the debate of a Rayless-Successful-Defense rellevant. Its just open for personal perception and interpretation, Thats It!!!
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Im gonna chalk up the SD game to Ray saving our butts on multiple occasions, Sproles out of the backfield on our own 15 and Ray who is 34 chases him down for no gain are u seeeeeeeeerious. Then of course the game winner, Id be hard pressed to believe anyone to make those tackles.

[McBoller]

How the hell did you get neg repped...This is one of the top posts of all time. Im serious.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='McBoller' date='13 October 2009 - 08:32 PM' timestamp='1255487553' post='256675']
How the hell did you get neg repped...This is one of the top posts of all time. Im serious.
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What is the top post of all time I wanna knowwwwwwwwww!!

[mdrsharon]

once Ray starts all that yelling and screaming on the sidelines to all of the teammates - THAT is part of what gets a team pumped and for that reason he is The Man!
I am sure his passion has inspired us to win more than a few games,he is the heart of the team. Just listen to those soundbites - you can tell.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

No matter how good or bad a defence is, the loss of Ray Lewis can only be negative.

[Gtown Purple]

Myth #1

Life after Ray Lewis

I agree that Ray Lewis's legacy was forged in part because of the people around him. I do think he'll be a tough loss though. The ravens will go through a rebuilding phase within the next few years at some point.


Myth #2

We don't need X wide reciever, we are a run first team!

Tell the coaches that, especially Cam. If we played the way we did when Billick was here would we have averaged 31 point s game coming into the bengals game? Our defense isn't good enough to make 14, 17, or 21 points stand up like in the past. We throw the ball more because we need to score points faster as we seem eager to spot our opponent points early in the game with stupid mistakes. I'd like to see more running the ball but that means less scoring and we can not afford that until our defense gets with the program.


Myth #3

Mark Clayton is an emerging deep threat.

I guess you can call him a late bloomer. he hasn't impressed me at all since he came out of college. I think he can be a deep threat, he has the speed as evidenced by the 4-5 steps he had on a bengals db when Flacco overshot him by 3 strides but the ravens need consistency most. someone has to take the pressure off of mason some times.


Myth #4

Ozzie has made some good draft picks/signings and some bad ones. This year more bad ones than good ones so far. Ozzie is a good overall GM but he's not god.

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[quote name='Gtown Purple' date='14 October 2009 - 07:47 AM' timestamp='1255520867' post='256842']
Myth #1

Life after Ray Lewis

I agree that Ray Lewis's legacy was forged in part because of the people around him. I do think he'll be a tough loss though. The ravens will go through a rebuilding phase within the next few years at some point.


Myth #2

We don't need X wide reciever, we are a run first team!

Tell the coaches that, especially Cam. If we played the way we did when Billick was here would we have averaged 31 point s game coming into the bengals game? Our defense isn't good enough to make 14, 17, or 21 points stand up like in the past. We throw the ball more because we need to score points faster as we seem eager to spot our opponent points early in the game with stupid mistakes. I'd like to see more running the ball but that means less scoring and we can not afford that until our defense gets with the program.


Myth #3

Mark Clayton is an emerging deep threat.

I guess you can call him a late bloomer. he hasn't impressed me at all since he came out of college. I think he can be a deep threat, he has the speed as evidenced by the 4-5 steps he had on a bengals db when Flacco overshot him by 3 strides but the ravens need consistency most. someone has to take the pressure off of mason some times.


Myth #4

Ozzie has made some good draft picks/signings and some bad ones. This year more bad ones than good ones so far. Ozzie is a good overall GM but he's not god.
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Myth Report gaining in "plausabiity," but still a pinch off the mark. Will continue to monitor progress.

[McBoller]

[Steelerkillers]

[quote name='Ed_Reed_Pick_Six' date='14 October 2009 - 06:28 AM' timestamp='1255516083' post='256836']
No matter how good or bad a defence is, the loss of Ray Lewis can only be negative.
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Well Put! Nuff Said! Otherwise.. to debate that his absence wouldnt hurt or devastate us is a Conjecture= reasoning that involves formations of conclusions from Incomplete Evidence.

[flynismo]

[quote name='McBoller' date='13 October 2009 - 10:32 PM' timestamp='1255487553' post='256675']
How the hell did you get neg repped...This is one of the top posts of all time. Im serious.
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Thanks for the compliment.

I have two theories why that is:

1) Someone was offended at either the tone or words used. I didnt think I'd actually have to explain this, but here goes: No one should be offended. If you are a mouthbreather, then you don't have the mental endowment to know that you were just slandered. The rest of us know that we're not mouthbreathers, so no need for offense to be taken.

2) A Clayton lover took offense to Myth #3. The CL are probably the most phanatical guys here, and speaking bad about Clayton is just like talking about their mama...you just dont do it!

But it's all good! I'm not here to collect rep points, just want to have fun chatting with my fellow Ravens fans, and give us something to talk about, whether we are in agreement or we're arguing over which "myth" is a fallacy.

Peace people! Just remember it's all in fun.

[theFRANCHISE]

Just a quick reminder to all, let's keep the conversation reasonably on-topic and also directed towards the points made in each post and [i]not[/i] each other. From the tone of a lot of these comments, this is more sarcastic or humorous than actually meant to be taken seriously, but at the same time, it's hard to express sarcasm on the internet even with emoticons.

With that said...to whoever's dishing out negative rep points for no reason, even though the reputation system literally means nothing, let's grow up. Thanks.

(And now, back to our topic...)

[J-man]

Myth #5
The Ravens secondary sucks.

True True

[Bltravens]

Myth #1 is looking aweful right now without Lewis the ENTIRE middle of the field would be a shooting range for QBs.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Bltravens' date='14 October 2009 - 08:29 PM' timestamp='1255566565' post='257310']
Myth #1 is looking aweful right now without Lewis the ENTIRE middle of the field would be a shooting range for QBs.
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Depends on who's replacing him. $7M year can get us an awfully good player.