Time To Take Out The Trash

[PSU RAVEN]

I like OZ as a GM but why has the WR position never really been addressed by him? Mason was a good signing a few years ago ,but on any other team he is a 2nd or 3rd WR

[codizzle]

[quote name='PSU RAVEN' post='173956' date='Mar 28 2009, 05:18 PM']I like OZ as a GM but why has the WR position never really been addressed by him? Mason was a good signing a few years ago ,but on any other team he is a 2nd or 3rd WR[/quote]
mason is a number one receiver.. no question

his age is the only problem.... maybe ur young i dont know but mason has been a top wr for over a decade

[AlaskanRavensFan]

I agree for #1, and number 2 and 3 are certainly often misunderstood and perhaps underevidenced arguments. However, the assertion that clayton is not a deep threat is debatable. Only because one has to define what a deep threat is. Is a deep threat someone like Randy Moss, Larry Fitzgerald, etc. I would guess that they are. The question is why? Probably because when the ball is thrown to them deep they catch it, in addition to their speed and ability to get behind safetys/corners on deep routes.

I have to say that I have seen clayton beat people deep on many occasions. The throw is not always accurate and he is not always thrown too. Claton has caught deep balls though, like the two he caught in the Bengals game this year. [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAtqf5OGO4o"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAtqf5OGO4o[/url]

Granted that was a career day, but I think it at least qualifies him as a threat. Mason even caught some deep balls this year, one in the divisional round vs. the Titans.

Obviously Clayton is not Randy Moss or Larry Fitzgerald, but is he a deep threat? I say yes, with the understanding that the threat is in the potential and ability not solely based on stats.


Also, just thought someone should start a conversation rather than just have everyone agree, because then the post goes nowhere.

[AlaskanRavensFan]

Also if you look at Clayton's AVG YPC it went up by 6 yards over his 07 avg. Which tells me that he perhaps did better in a system that used him differently.

I'll just put this out there too, if you consider Santonio Holmes a deep threat, which I would granted his speed and ability then look at their stats side by side they aren't that different and the steelers threw more than we did last season. Just thought i'd put that out there, because I thought it was interesting.

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[PSU RAVEN]

[quote name='codizzle' post='173963' date='Mar 28 2009, 07:35 PM'] mason is a number one receiver.. no question

his age is the only problem.... maybe ur young i dont know but mason has been a top wr for over a decade[/quote]
I may have been too harsh on the #3 comment but my point is at the time we got him he was still a very good WR but on most teams b/c of his age and speed he SHOULD be a #2. The fact that he is our best option, while taking nothing from Mason, says more about the talent of the other WRs

I am not too young though just not a good writer , Ravens fan since day 1 in '96 ......15 years old when the dolts left in the middle of the night

[AlaskanRavensFan]

[quote name='PSU RAVEN' post='173956' date='Mar 28 2009, 04:18 PM']I like OZ as a GM but why has the WR position never really been addressed by him? Mason was a good signing a few years ago ,but on any other team he is a 2nd or 3rd WR[/quote]

I might chalk that one up to billick and his crew, because up until last year we hadn't addressed the QB position either. Oz didn't try to solve the WR issue last year, which can be seen by the pics he used on the WR's he did draft. I think it has just as much to do with coaching as anything. Many of the recievers that come into the league aren't good route runners and often don't understand the route concepts or how to get off press man. But, the good teams develop their wideouts. like those dolts you mentioned earlier. i hate to say.

I mean do you think that Flacco would have done as well with Billick coaching last year, nevermind that we wouldn't have probably drafted him since the age of BOLLER would still have been in its glory days.

[PSU RAVEN]

Good points Alaskaraven, it is just so frustrating to me since it seems like such a glaring hole on the roster. Though Demetrius was out for a good part of the year and it seemed like they were trying get the new guy Smith more involved.

[kash96ravenstotalfan]

[quote name='flynismo' post='173805' date='Mar 28 2009, 11:21 AM']Ok, so being a regular here for a few months, I have noticed that there are several myths prevailing amongst some of our purple brethren. Let's examine these myths, and give them the proper burial that they deserve. Consider this a public service!

[u][b]
Myth #1[/b][/u]
[i]
Life after Ray Lewis [/i]

Many believe that L.a.R.L. is the football god's equivalent of damnation, sending our defense to the greatest depths of hell previously only resided by the lowest of the lower life forms (Detriot Lions, Cincinnati Bengals, Cleveland Browns, Pacman Jones, etc.). Boys and girls, THIS IS A LIE. In a sport where an individual's success is so heavily reliant upon the talent supporting him, I propose to you that our defense made Ray Lewis the legend that he is, not the other way around. As we all know, Baltimore has always had an embarrassment of riches on the defensive side of the ball, and Ray has benefitted immensely from the presence of the other greats. Hence, Ray's public campaign to recruit guys like Haloti Ngata. Ray knows who butters his bread.
I disagree. I think Ray made our defense better. His leadership on the field is unquestionable. Ray's work ethic made other players great. He gave our team 110% every play, every game.
[u][b]
Myth #2[/b][/u]

[i]We don't need X wide reciever, we are a run first team![/i]

Well, duh! Maybe we're a running team because our recievers suck?? And not for a lack of trying, we've already burned a couple first round picks on WR over the past few years. Make no mistake about it, if you can't run the ball, you're not going to win many games. But in order to bring that trophy home, a balanced offense is need. You HAVE to be able to make plays through the air consistently as well. That doesn't mean that you need a top 10 passing attack, it merely means that you need to be able to make plays though the air when needed. Yes, we DO need X wide reciever!!
We def need a WR for Flacco. This is the first time we have ever had a QB that could thorw the ball downfield. We need someone who is a deep threat.

[u][b]Myth #3[/b][/u]
[i]
Mark Clayton is an emerging deep threat.[/i]

I guess technically, this is true, due to the word "emerging". What a great word that is! It allows one to apply any arbitrary amount of time necessary to substantiate your pathetic debate.
"[i]True, Clayton hasn't done anything in his four years in the league, but he is still emerging![/i]" Do you see the silliness in that statement? No? Then nevermind, you're hopeless and I'm wasting my valuable time on you pissants.
Let's wait and see on Clayton
[u][b]
Myth #4[/b][/u]
[i]
"Ozzie is god, yo!" "Ozzie is soo kewl!" "Ozzie is da man![/i]"

Actually, not quite sure how this got on my list, because it is all true. Never question the wizardary of Oz.


There are several more newer myths developing, but they are so asinine that even the majority of the mouthbreathers attempting to read this thread can recognize them for what they are, so I shall not waste any more of my precious knowledge on the unwashed masses.
In Ozzie we trust
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[iHate]

clayton will have a huge year mark my words

[flynismo]

[quote name='iHate' post='173989' date='Mar 28 2009, 08:37 PM']clayton will have a huge year mark my words[/quote]

I hope you're right, but what makes you think that he will?

[T-Sizzle55]

[quote name='flynismo' post='174086' date='Mar 29 2009, 10:33 AM']I hope you're right, but what makes you think that he will?[/quote]

Mark and Joe were having a nice rhythm going towards the end of the season.


If you look at Clayton's game log, his season high for most catches in a game was merely at 5. In the playoffs, he had only 2 catches in eack game. In the game against Tennessee, he made a crucial 37 yard catch in double coverage and finally taken down at the 4 yard line. That play led to field goal to take the lead 10-7. Mark also had the final catch of the game (just shy of the first down) that put Matt Sover in position to make the famous game winning field goal 13-10. Nice little trend he had going there. When you give Mark the opportunity to make a big time play, he defi9nately shows up.

[TSizzle00]

Good Post

[b-morebrotha]

Mark's problem was Kyle Boller sucking. A QB that went to his #1 read then to his check down mean bad numbers for the #2 man. McNair shows up Mark posts better numbers, Joe learns and develops Mark has another decent year.

I feel like he can fill Mason's shoes now if Mase was to retire this yr. Mark is capable of solid production and he hasn't REALLY been put in the #1 wr role yet in his carer. Mason Just so happens to be that good. Since his draft he has played at the number 2 spot were he got very few looks.

As far as our deep threat, thats D Williams. With now Kyle to kill him and a sucessful rehab he should show and prove.

[jfc13]

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[flynismo]

Ugh; I just had to resurrect this thread due to the "We dont need X-Wide Reciever Myth"......
A friendly reminder, we DO need X-wide receiver! *cough* DJAX *cough*

[BloodRaven]

What I think what you need flynismo, is someone of likemind to help "facilitate" a movement of applied common sense on this board... with a brutal array of condescending sarcasm

[flynismo]

[quote name='BloodRaven' date='24 July 2009 - 04:30 AM' timestamp='1248424211' post='209544']
What I think what you need flynismo, is someone of likemind to help "facilitate" a movement of applied common sense on this board... with a brutal array of condescending sarcasm
[/quote]


Most definitely!! Where the hell is RavensIQ when you need him?? Dude can spam the board like nobody's biznaz!! I say let the revolution begin!

[BloodRaven]

Hmmm, our very own 3 headed monster?

This could be the start of something beautiful...

[Irishraven]

Excellent post!

I am a huge fan of wanting Clayton to do well and succeed BUT an NFL career is only so long...

[flynismo]

[quote name='BloodRaven' date='24 July 2009 - 07:53 AM' timestamp='1248436436' post='209553']
Hmmm, our very own 3 headed monster?

This could be the start of something beautiful...
[/quote]

haha, okay but as long as I get to be Ray Rice! Since you are part Samoan you get to be our bruiser (LeRon) and IQ is Willis since he is always in trouble with the staff (sorry Q haha)

[flynismo]

[quote name='Irishraven' date='24 July 2009 - 08:01 AM' timestamp='1248436893' post='209555']
Excellent post!

I am a huge fan of wanting Clayton to do well and succeed BUT an NFL career is only so long...
[/quote]

I would loved to have seen him succeed too....part of the reason I am hard on him is because I am so disappointed in him. I really thought he was going to be the next Mace.

[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='BloodRaven' date='24 July 2009 - 02:30 AM' timestamp='1248424211' post='209544']
What I think what you need flynismo, is someone of likemind to help "facilitate" a movement of applied common sense on this board... with a brutal array of condescending sarcasm
[/quote]
on this board, on the coaching staff, in the front office(player development, player personel, OZ, DeCosta).

CHEERS TO MARK CLAYTON THIS YEARS #1

[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='Irishraven' date='24 July 2009 - 06:01 AM' timestamp='1248436893' post='209555']
Excellent post!

I am a huge fan of wanting Clayton to do well and succeed BUT an NFL career is only so long...
[/quote]
they do go longer than 5 years right?

[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='b-morebrotha' date='30 March 2009 - 07:44 AM' timestamp='1238420665' post='174294']
I feel like he can fill Mason's shoes now if Mase was to retire this yr. Mark is capable of solid production and he hasn't REALLY been put in the #1 wr role yet in his carer. Mason Just so happens to be that good. Since his draft he has played at the number 2 spot were he got very few looks.
[/quote]
I endorse this statement 100%

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='flynismo' date='24 July 2009 - 11:18 AM' timestamp='1248448716' post='209589']
haha, okay but as long as I get to be Ray Rice! Since you are part Samoan you get to be our bruiser (LeRon) and IQ is Willis since he is always in trouble with the staff (sorry Q haha)
[/quote]
I endorse this statement, only if I get to be Joe Flacco since I'm the calm, even-keeled one that everyone loves so damn much.

[BrownsFan]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='24 July 2009 - 02:37 PM' timestamp='1248460629' post='209639']
I endorse this statement, only if I get to be Joe Flacco since I'm the calm, even-keeled one that everyone loves so damn much.
[/quote]

Eh you're ok. "Love" is a bit of a strong word.

(Kidding of course; did you think I went away?)

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='BrownsFan' date='24 July 2009 - 02:40 PM' timestamp='1248460856' post='209640']
Eh you're ok. "Love" is a bit of a strong word.

(Kidding of course; did you think I went away?)
[/quote]
...get yo' *** back in the DT.

(And now, back to our regularly-scheduled, [i]on-topic[/i] discussion of WRs...)

[MagicianCamille]

[quote]"True, Clayton hasn't done anything in his four years in the league, but he is still emerging!" Do you see the silliness in that statement?[/quote]

Yeah, the part where someone says Clayton hasn't done anything is pretty silly.

[BloodRaven]

Clayton is solid, hes just no Mason.

[flynismo]

[quote name='flynismo' date='28 March 2009 - 11:21 AM' timestamp='1238253663' post='173805']
Ok, so being a regular here for a few months, I have noticed that there are several myths prevailing amongst some of our purple brethren. Let's examine these myths, and give them the proper burial that they deserve. Consider this a public service!

[u][b]
Myth #1[/b][/u]
[i]
Life after Ray Lewis [/i]

Many believe that L.a.R.L. is the football god's equivalent of damnation, sending our defense to the greatest depths of hell previously only resided by the lowest of the lower life forms (Detriot Lions, Cincinnati Bengals, Cleveland Browns, Pacman Jones, etc.). Boys and girls, THIS IS A LIE. In a sport where an individual's success is so heavily reliant upon the talent supporting him, I propose to you that our defense made Ray Lewis the legend that he is, not the other way around. As we all know, Baltimore has always had an embarrassment of riches on the defensive side of the ball, and Ray has benefitted immensely from the presence of the other greats. Hence, Ray's public campaign to recruit guys like Haloti Ngata. Ray knows who butters his bread.

[u][b]
Myth #2[/b][/u]

[i]We don't need X wide reciever, we are a run first team![/i]

Well, duh! Maybe we're a running team because our recievers suck?? And not for a lack of trying, we've already burned a couple first round picks on WR over the past few years. Make no mistake about it, if you can't run the ball, you're not going to win many games. But in order to bring that trophy home, a balanced offense is need. You HAVE to be able to make plays through the air consistently as well. That doesn't mean that you need a top 10 passing attack, it merely means that you need to be able to make plays though the air when needed. Yes, we DO need X wide reciever!!


[u][b]Myth #3[/b][/u]
[i]
Mark Clayton is an emerging deep threat.[/i]

I guess technically, this is true, due to the word "emerging". What a great word that is! It allows one to apply any arbitrary amount of time necessary to substantiate your pathetic debate.
"[i]True, Clayton hasn't done anything in his four years in the league, but he is still emerging![/i]" Do you see the silliness in that statement? No? Then nevermind, you're hopeless and I'm wasting my valuable time on you pissants.

[u][b]
Myth #4[/b][/u]
[i]
"Ozzie is god, yo!" "Ozzie is soo kewl!" "Ozzie is da man![/i]"

Actually, not quite sure how this got on my list, because it is all true. Never question the wizardary of Oz.


There are several more newer myths developing, but they are so asinine that even the majority of the mouthbreathers attempting to read this thread can recognize them for what they are, so I shall not waste any more of my precious knowledge on the unwashed masses.

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[/i][center][i]This public service announcement is brought to you and approved by flynismo.[/i]
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Well, had to dig up another old thread. At least I got this one right