Time To Take Out The Trash

[flynismo]

Ok, so being a regular here for a few months, I have noticed that there are several myths prevailing amongst some of our purple brethren. Let's examine these myths, and give them the proper burial that they deserve. Consider this a public service!

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Myth #1[/b][/u]
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Life after Ray Lewis [/i]

Many believe that L.a.R.L. is the football god's equivalent of damnation, sending our defense to the greatest depths of hell previously only resided by the lowest of the lower life forms (Detriot Lions, Cincinnati Bengals, Cleveland Browns, Pacman Jones, etc.). Boys and girls, THIS IS A LIE. In a sport where an individual's success is so heavily reliant upon the talent supporting him, I propose to you that our defense made Ray Lewis the legend that he is, not the other way around. As we all know, Baltimore has always had an embarrassment of riches on the defensive side of the ball, and Ray has benefitted immensely from the presence of the other greats. Hence, Ray's public campaign to recruit guys like Haloti Ngata. Ray knows who butters his bread.

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Myth #2[/b][/u]

[i]We don't need X wide reciever, we are a run first team![/i]

Well, duh! Maybe we're a running team because our recievers suck?? And not for a lack of trying, we've already burned a couple first round picks on WR over the past few years. Make no mistake about it, if you can't run the ball, you're not going to win many games. But in order to bring that trophy home, a balanced offense is need. You HAVE to be able to make plays through the air consistently as well. That doesn't mean that you need a top 10 passing attack, it merely means that you need to be able to make plays though the air when needed. Yes, we DO need X wide reciever!!


[u][b]Myth #3[/b][/u]
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Mark Clayton is an emerging deep threat.[/i]

I guess technically, this is true, due to the word "emerging". What a great word that is! It allows one to apply any arbitrary amount of time necessary to substantiate your pathetic debate.
"[i]True, Clayton hasn't done anything in his four years in the league, but he is still emerging![/i]" Do you see the silliness in that statement? No? Then nevermind, you're hopeless and I'm wasting my valuable time on you pissants.

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Myth #4[/b][/u]
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"Ozzie is god, yo!" "Ozzie is soo kewl!" "Ozzie is da man![/i]"

Actually, not quite sure how this got on my list, because it is all true. Never question the wizardary of Oz.


There are several more newer myths developing, but they are so asinine that even the majority of the mouthbreathers attempting to read this thread can recognize them for what they are, so I shall not waste any more of my precious knowledge on the unwashed masses.

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[purple52-92-20pain]

huh. Makes sense. thx

[ROH522155]

great post. i agree

[bigZ2222]

grade A stuff great post

[darklight1216]

Excellent post, thanks for sharing it with us.

Lol but you forgot the "We need a new qb" myth.

[Ravenskid2085]

[quote name='darklight1216' post='173823' date='Mar 28 2009, 11:43 AM']Excellent post, thanks for sharing it with us.

[b]Lol but you forgot the "We need a new qb" myth. [/b][/quote]

Haha, The "Flacco For Cutler" myth or the "Troy Smith is Our Real QB" myth haha
those threads are so annoying

[flynismo]

[quote name='darklight1216' post='173823' date='Mar 28 2009, 11:43 AM']Excellent post, thanks for sharing it with us.

Lol but you forgot the "We need a new qb" myth. [/quote]


Actually, I didn't forget that one
It fell under the "asinine newer myths"!

[BmoreRav]

I'm thinking of starting a new thread named "Should we sign Vick and put Flacco and Smith at wideout"!!!

Who's with me??

[Ravenskid2085]

[quote name='BmoreRav' post='173831' date='Mar 28 2009, 11:58 AM']I'm thinking of starting a new thread named "Should we sign Vick and put Flacco and Smith at wideout"!!!

Who's with me?? [/quote]

Haha that'd be our new "Hot Topic"

[Marc2k6]

[quote name='BmoreRav' post='173831' date='Mar 28 2009, 10:58 AM']I'm thinking of starting a new thread named "Should we sign Vick and put Flacco and Smith at wideout"!!!

Who's with me?? [/quote]
Now this would be one of the more sensible myths thread that may come true! I can see Flacco and Smith running the hook and ladder with M. Vick under center right now. OH OH! How about the wild cat? Oh yeah!!!!

[theFRANCHISE]

I agree with all four, though #3 about Mark Clayton is a little iffy. Rather than say he's an emerging deep threat, I'm just looking at him as an emerging solid #2 receiver -- hardly a deep threat and hardly a #1 starter, but serviceable enough as a possession receiver to complement whoever the #1 is in the next couple of years.

[flynismo]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' post='173854' date='Mar 28 2009, 01:49 PM']I agree with all four, though #3 about Mark Clayton is a little iffy. Rather than say he's an emerging deep threat, I'm just looking at him as an emerging solid #2 receiver -- hardly a deep threat and hardly a #1 starter, but serviceable enough as a possession receiver to complement whoever the #1 is in the next couple of years.[/quote]


Agreed, but if everyone thought that, then the Clayton is a deep threat myth would cease to exist

[neepo13]

[quote name='flynismo' post='173860' date='Mar 28 2009, 02:24 PM']Agreed, but if everyone thought that, then the Clayton is a deep threat myth would cease to exist [/quote]

Clayton is a bust pure and simple. But FOR US, he is THE deep threat. Every pass downfield last year went to Clayton. Granted he's not much of a deep threat but looking at what our wide outs have done, he's the closest thing we have to it. So, I dont think you can fault people for calling him a deep threat because he does make the most 20 yard+ plays for us in the passing game.

[PSU RAVEN]

How about the myth that this was "Rex Ryan's defense." before that it was Mike Nolan's, Marvin Lewis, Jack Del Rio..... exactly how many people should be able to take credit for this?

[flynismo]

[quote name='PSU RAVEN' post='173873' date='Mar 28 2009, 03:06 PM']How about the myth that this was "Rex Ryan's defense." before that it was Mike Nolan's, Marvin Lewis, Jack Del Rio..... exactly how many people should be able to take credit for this?[/quote]

Ah, now that's a good one!
How about the players taking credit for it!!

[RoflDogs]

We should sticky this thread so the new people can see before they post

[T-Sizzle55]

[quote name='flynismo' post='173805' date='Mar 28 2009, 11:21 AM']Myth #3

Mark Clayton is an emerging deep threat.

I guess technically, this is true, due to the word "emerging". What a great word that is! It allows one to apply any arbitrary amount of time necessary to substantiate your pathetic debate.
"True, Clayton hasn't done anything in his four years in the league, but he is still emerging!" Do you see the silliness in that statement? No? Then nevermind, you're hopeless and I'm wasting my valuable time on you pissants.[/quote]


I think Mark Clayton is "Emerging" as a future Myth #2 rather than his current spot as your Myth #3.

Haha! Yeah, I went there.

[CP`C-Pain`CP]

I agree on all these I'm pretty sure.

[flynismo]

[quote name='T-Sizzle55' post='173879' date='Mar 28 2009, 03:33 PM']I think Mark Clayton is "Emerging" as a future Myth #2 rather than his current spot as your Myth #3.

Haha! Yeah, I went there.[/quote]

*shakes head*
<-- hey that little guy looks just like my avatar!

[T-Sizzle55]

[quote name='flynismo' post='173886' date='Mar 28 2009, 04:00 PM']*shakes head*
<-- hey that little guy looks just like my avatar![/quote]

I thought you'd get a laugh out of that.

I don't say Mark Clayton is a deepthreat. I'm just hate hearing that he's a "total bust". He has a lot of skills and Billick didn't know how to use them. I think Cam knows how to utilize him much better and put him in positions to make great plays. He's a versatile guy using him in a double reverse and as QB. Now that we have Cam calling the shots and a good quarterback who can be our starter for more than just one season. I think he can be more consistent now that we are more consistent. When we had McNair, he was great, when we had Boller, not so great. Usually, he doesn't get the ball thrown to him very often and it's not often where he gets to be "the guy" (once or twice a season where he gets many thrown his way). Most people just assume he doesn't get the ball because he doesn't get open, but I've seen him get open, but still Mason or Heap would get the ball eventhough they were double covered (mainly back when we had Billick). When Billick was calling the shots, I didn't even know if Mark was on the field half the time. I had to look it up on NFL.com...oh....2 catches for 23 yards. You would think they would want to see him more involved and with Cam and Joe I think we are finally seeing that.

[Corvus]

I think Neepo said it best. The reason some people refer to Clayton as a "deep threat" is because he is the closest thing we have to that on the team as of right now. He did after all score on some long plays last year, catching, running, and even passing. So no, he is not a "deep threat" but he has created several big plays for this team and I think that is where your "myth" came from.

I do however think that Clayton will have an even better year in 2009 than he has ever had as a professional.

[flynismo]

Clayton....well, hmm....
I cant say that I'd be happy with his progress or production, considering that he was a first round pick that has been in the league for four years. Would I consider him a bust? Well, in four years, here is his stat line-

200 receptions, 2,636 yards, 10 TD's.
That averages out to 50 rec, 659 yards and 2.5 TD's a year. Not exactly what you want to see out of the 21st pick overall. I don't think it would be unfair to label him a bust at this point, especially considering that old man Mason puts up nearly double those numbers every year playing in the same system. And keep in mind, these numbers are posted against opposing teams #2 or #3 cornerbacks, so it's not like he's constantly facing elite competition or drawing constant double coverage. After 4 years, he has put up mediocre numbers against mediocre DB's. It would honestly frighten me if we ever had to rely on him as our #1 reciever.

As for being our deep threat, as everyone pointed out, that is a relative term. He isn't a legit deep threat, but that's what we use him as. Although I might add, if Demetrius can stay healthy and keep his job, D Williams just may strip Clayton of his deep threat title and starting job as well.

[T-Sizzle55]

[quote name='flynismo' post='173903' date='Mar 28 2009, 05:12 PM']Clayton....well, hmm....
I cant say that I'd be happy with his progress or production, considering that he was a first round pick that has been in the league for four years. Would I consider him a bust? Well, in four years, here is his stat line-

200 receptions, 2,636 yards, 10 TD's.
That averages out to 50 rec, 659 yards and 2.5 TD's a year. Not exactly what you want to see out of the 21st pick overall. I don't think it would be unfair to label him a bust at this point, especially considering that old man Mason puts up nearly double those numbers every year playing in the same system. And keep in mind, these numbers are posted against opposing teams #2 or #3 cornerbacks, so it's not like he's constantly facing elite competition or drawing constant double coverage. After 4 years, he has put up mediocre numbers against mediocre DB's. It would honestly frighten me if we ever had to rely on him as our #1 reciever.

As for being our deep threat, as everyone pointed out, that is a relative term. He isn't a legit deep threat, but that's what we use him as. Although I might add, if Demetrius can stay healthy and keep his job, D Williams just may strip Clayton of his deep threat title and starting job as well.[/quote]

I completely agree. He hasn't had much production. He's not a deep threat but a possession style receiver who should be taking over for Mason right about now and putting up numbers worthy of a former 1st round pick. However he is the #2 guy and as a #2 guy he doesn't gets many looks and not even as many as he should. I think he is extremely versatile and can do a lot more than your average #2 or possession guy. If we want him to step up, then we need to get him more involved. It's not like he drops a lot of balls or fumbles the ball in the redzone. I don't remember him ever dropping the ball while wide open running down the sideline. In fact, I remember him catching a 50 yard TD against Cleveland and sliding into the endzone. When McNair gave him a ton of looks in 2006, he stepped up. I feel you have to put him in that possition and be like look Mark, we're going to throw you the ball a lot more this year can you handle that? And he'll make sure he steps it up.

When we need a play we always look for Mason or Heap, automatically. We need to start looking to Clayton as well, that's all I'm saying.

[codizzle]

so based on this thread would it be wrong to say...
Yamon Figurs is emerging as our deep threat receiver?? He caught i think like 1 last year

- haha its five flynismo's

[flynismo]

[quote name='codizzle' post='173932' date='Mar 28 2009, 06:23 PM']so based on this thread would it be wrong to say...
Yamon Figurs is emerging as our deep threat receiver?? He caught i think like 1 last year[/quote]

See, this is how rumors get started!!
Yamon is faster than Clayton, and stumbled his way into a pass way downfield, so clearly he's an even bigger deep threat than Clayton. Or something like that.
But wait, what about Flacco's 43 yard catch? He's 6'6", so wouldnt that make him a deep/red zone threat too?

[quote] - haha its five flynismo's[/quote]



God forbid...I've already terrorized the world with three offspring, four of us is quite enough!

[codizzle]

dangit bobby u took my pre meditated well thought out reply when u mentioned flacco.

and i love starting rumors. its how u find out who the "smart" ones are lol

[Moderator 3]

[quote name='flynismo' post='173903' date='Mar 28 2009, 05:12 PM']As for being our deep threat, as everyone pointed out, that is a relative term. He isn't a legit deep threat, but that's what we use him as. Although I might add, if Demetrius can stay healthy and keep his job, D Williams just may strip Clayton of his deep threat title and starting job as well.[/quote]

True, Demetrius (if healthy) is our big, fast, receiver. I'd sure like to see him have a season on the field. Everyone always forgets about him because we've seen so little of him.

[markorad]

well said

[Sizzle]

For some reason i believe Mark Clayton will be a star next year. Because the only reason we haven't had a true WR was because of our QB's but now that joe is gonna be better(I hope) he could possibly get more yards than mason(ya i said it).

[codizzle]

[quote name='Sizzle' post='173952' date='Mar 28 2009, 05:10 PM']For some reason i believe Mark Clayton will be a star next year. Because the only reason we haven't had a true WR was because of our QB's but now that joe is gonna be better(I hope) he could possibly get more yards than mason(ya i said it).[/quote]
ya especially if we can get a rookie to be our 3 or if demetrius could be a consistent 3... i see mark and flacco gelling even more next year into a nice 1000+ yard season