Brian Robiskie

[Ravenskid2085]

I'm not sure if theres a thread on him already, if there is I'll apologize up front, I just didnt see one.

I'm a DHB guy, and I'm really pulling for us to draft him, but Robiskie from Ohio State interests me too, as well as Kenny Britt.

He's 6'3, Good Height

He's 196 Pounds, but he could bulk up

Some of his stats don't Jump off the page for 2008
42 Receptions 535 Yards

But he did have 8 TDs, not bad if you ask me.

On Path to the Draft a few weeks ago, I heard Mike Mayock describe him as a "Poor mans Larry Fitzgerald". He comes up with big catches when his team needs it, like Fitzgerald

I think anything close to Fitzgerald is a good pick up.

What do you guys think?

[raven43]

if we wanted this guy we would have to trade up in the second or down out of the first. I personally like him[b] alot[/b] He had a great year considering he had a freshman QB throwing to him. He's tall, has alright speed, great routes, and sticky hands. Like I've said before, this guy, plus a corner in the first, would make my day.

[52Kia Kaha92]

i love him too, but not at 26, as someone said we would have to trade up or down to get him
Apparently he is way ahead of his years in the mental aspect of the game
He runs solid routes and has good hands, he is just a productive WR

some draft people have him as there 2nd WR, ( he isnt that high on my list lol)

[markorad]

too slow, will struggle with separation from nfl cb's but he works hard and is an overachiever, if he is there in the 3rd round, i say yes
...unless we pick up britt or dhb in the first round

[BloodRaven]

I like him, has speed issues but there are many "slow" WRs who still get wide open and make plays, like Derrick Mason, Reggie Wayne, Anquan Boldin, Hines Ward, Dwayne Bowe etc etc etc

Even the mighty Larry Fitz ran 4.63.

If you can play you can play, and this kid can.

[Ed_Reed20]

I really like Robiskie. He doesn't have the speed to burn anyone but he does EVERYTHING else you want a receiver to do. He has good hands, runs crispy routes and uses his body to shield defenders when the ball is in the air. I have read in some places, he may the best blocking receiver in the draft too.

To me, it would be a reach to get him in the first but I'm not sure if he will be their when the Ravens pick in the second.

[ZIBBY28]

i like the guy a lot.. might not be the [i]greatest[/i] athlete in the world, but is a solid 2nd round pick IMO.. check out my sig where my mock is listed.. if we can trade out of the first round and have my first four picks somehow be there that late, SUPERBOWL

[Ozzsome]

Maybe we can trade up in the second and pick him up

[raven43]

Well, I have him behind DHB, but before Kenny Britt and Hakeem Nicks. He's my number 5 guy. I've just got a man crush on this guy. If Heyward Bey is gone, we may have to pich him 26. that is unless, Ozzie has a well crafted plan to trade up into the [b]tip top [/b]of the second round.

I know Robiskie at 26 is unlikely but all I'm saying is, it is a possibility. Remember how a certain Pittsburgh-backup-turned-1-AA- starter suprised everyone by rising up draft boards? well Robiskie could do the same

[Devastat1on]

[quote name='raven43' post='173901' date='Mar 28 2009, 04:58 PM']Well, I have him behind DHB, but before Kenny Britt and Hakeem Nicks. He's my number 5 guy. I've just got a man crush on this guy. If Heyward Bey is gone, we may have to pich him 26. that is unless, Ozzie has a well crafted plan to trade up into the [b]tip top [/b]of the second round.

I know Robiskie at 26 is unlikely but all I'm saying is, it is a possibility. Remember how a certain Pittsburgh-backup-turned-1-AA- starter suprised everyone by rising up draft boards? well Robiskie could do the same[/quote]

How do you have Robiskie ahead of Britt AND Nicks? Robiskie put up the LEAST impressive numbers by FAR of all the wide receivers listed.. 535 yards on 42 catches compared to Britts' 1371 yards on 87 receptions and Nicks' 1,222 yards on 68 receptions.. I dont even see how its close.. I think Robiskie is extremely overrated..

Britt>Robiskie
Nicks>Robiskie
Britt>Nicks

[raven43]

[quote name='Devastat1on' post='174022' date='Mar 28 2009, 11:17 PM']How do you have Robiskie ahead of Britt AND Nicks? Robiskie put up the LEAST impressive numbers by FAR of all the wide receivers listed.. 535 yards on 42 catches compared to Britts' 1371 yards on 87 receptions and Nicks' 1,222 yards on 68 receptions.. I dont even see how its close.. I think Robiskie is extremely overrated..

Britt>Robiskie
Nicks>Robiskie
Britt>Nicks[/quote]

uh, no.

first of all, college production does not define how a players career is going to pan out. should Nicks and Britt be rated above DHB because they had more production. Maybe you forgot, but Robiskie had a [b]freshman [/b]throwing to him. If he played in Nicks' system he would have had double the numbers he did this year. and how do you have Britt rated above Nicks?

Listen I know Robiske probably won't be the fifth receiver drafted, I'm just saying I think his career is going to extremely good, and in time it will become clear that he should have been.

[Devastat1on]

[quote name='raven43' post='174093' date='Mar 29 2009, 11:55 AM']uh, no.

first of all, college production does not define how a players career is going to pan out. should Nicks and Britt be rated above DHB because they had more production. Maybe you forgot, but Robiskie had a [b]freshman [/b]throwing to him. If he played in Nicks' system he would have had double the numbers he did this year. and how do you have Britt rated above Nicks?

Listen I know Robiskie probably won't be the fifth receiver drafted, I'm just saying I think his career is going to extremely good, and in time it will become clear that he should have been.[/quote]

You're absolutely right that college production doesnt translate to NFL success, but college production has a huge role on where they do get drafted. and can sometimes be an indicator of how well they will do in the NFL.. Personally, i like Britt more than DHB.. I feel Britt fits our system better than Nicks and DHB do.. I dont feel that we need a burner on our team like DHB, i feel we need someone who can stretch the field and keep the chains moving like Britt does.. 87 receptions to me, speaks for itself.. And Brian Robiskie may have had a freshman throwing to him, but he was also the [b]#1 college recruit [/b]of last years class.. If they felt Pryor wasnt ready to play QB, they could have sat him another year..

I have Britt above Nicks because i feel Britt would be the better fit for our system.. I think Britt will have the better career of the two.. Nicks is over hyped to me.. He had an incredible bowl game and everyone decided to jump on his bandwagon..

I think Nicks is a better receiver than Robiskie(hence the Nicks>Robiskie in my last post) and this may sound contradictory, but i think Robiskie would be better for the Ravens than Nicks simply because I would rather us draft Robiskie in the 2nd, than us take Nicks in the first.. I would rather us use that first round pick on someone other than Nicks and improve our team elsewhere because im not sure if Nicks will pan out..

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Devastat1on' post='174122' date='Mar 29 2009, 03:38 PM']And Brian Robiskie may have had a freshman throwing to him, but he was also the [b]#1 college recruit [/b]of last years class.. If they felt Pryor wasnt ready to play QB, they could have sat him another year..[/quote]

Pryor isn't a great passer. Robiskie's production actually suffered because Pryor played. Watch these highlights. The guy gets open and even when he isn't, he finds ways to make the grab.

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urUgs3FeiGc"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urUgs3FeiGc[/url]

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K2duECvE9U&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K2duECvE9U...feature=related[/url] (You have to love the celebration too)

[Devastat1on]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' post='174209' date='Mar 29 2009, 09:59 PM']Pryor isn't a great passer. Robiskie's production actually suffered because Pryor played. Watch these highlights. The guy gets open and even when he isn't, he finds ways to make the grab.

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urUgs3FeiGc"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urUgs3FeiGc[/url]

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K2duECvE9U&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K2duECvE9U...feature=related[/url] (You have to love the celebration too)[/quote]

Those are highlights.. They wont show the negatives in his game.. plus, even before Ohio state had Pryor, Robiskie still hadnt surpassed the 1,000 yard mark and he only had 55 receptions.. These big plays these guys make in college wont translate into the NFL against good teams.. I will say that Robiskie has a knack for getting in the endzone, but i want the guy whos going to get open more and develop Flacco more.. I could do the same thing and post Kenny Britt highlights showing how well he gets open and fights for balls..

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a98USWn8dG0"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a98USWn8dG0[/url]

And Britt can block too! Hines Ward-esk
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HYzZzufMRU"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HYzZzufMRU[/url]

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='Devastat1on' post='174371' date='Mar 30 2009, 01:40 PM']Those are highlights.. They wont show the negatives in his game.. plus, even before Ohio state had Pryor, Robiskie still hadnt surpassed the 1,000 yard mark and he only had 55 receptions.. These big plays these guys make in college wont translate into the NFL against good teams.. I will say that Robiskie has a knack for getting in the endzone, but i want the guy whos going to get open more and develop Flacco more.. I could do the same thing and post Kenny Britt highlights showing how well he gets open and fights for balls..

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a98USWn8dG0"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a98USWn8dG0[/url]

And Britt can block too! Hines Ward-esk
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HYzZzufMRU"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HYzZzufMRU[/url][/quote]

Lol, keep your man crush in the right topic.

[Devastat1on]

[quote name='BloodRaven' post='174500' date='Mar 30 2009, 07:54 PM']Lol, keep your man crush in the right topic.[/quote]

I think its safe to say i do have a bit of a man-crush on Britt..

[RoflDogs]

As for the Terrelle Pryor argument,

Is Todd Boeckman any better???

-.-..... NO

[Ravensfan23]

I really like Robiskie, i like Britt more but i think Robiskie is a quality guy. He is the type of guy that could dominate the backside of a defense. It is probably a bad comparison for him but i see him like a healthy D. Williams. We have all seen flashes from D. Will but he just couldn't say healthy. I would probably rate Robiskie much higher then Williams but they are the same type of guy. Not fast but explosive.

Robiskie is that kind of guy that won't really wow you but just make plays. He will win with route running not speed. He has good hands, great body control and a really good feel for the game. Being the son of a coach is not really a selling point for me but it definately helps. I think he is one of those guys that will dominate on 3rd downs moving the chains. He will be a great #2 guys but a highly overrated FA #1 WR.

As for the Ravens selecting him, i wouldn't mind if it were in another draft. I think Robiskie is a complimentry player just like the other guys we already have at WR, and adding him won't really do anything to allow those compilmentry guys to step out. He would fit well in a system that passes the ball alot, like Cincy/Den/Sea/Indy or Ari. He would also fit well with a team like that already has an true #1WR established on their team like Det or Hou. Guys like Calvin Johnson or Andre Johnson would allow Robiskie to match up 1 on 1 with backside defenders, which in turn would stop teams from doubling those 2 players.

[ZIBBY28]

[quote name='Devastat1on' post='174122' date='Mar 29 2009, 03:38 PM']You're absolutely right that college production doesnt translate to NFL success, but college production has a huge role on where they do get drafted. and can sometimes be an indicator of how well they will do in the NFL.. Personally, i like Britt more than DHB.. I feel Britt fits our system better than Nicks and DHB do.. [b]I dont feel that we need a burner on our team like DHB, i feel we need someone who can stretch the field [/b]and keep the chains moving like Britt does.. 87 receptions to me, speaks for itself.. And Brian Robiskie may have had a freshman throwing to him, but he was also the #1 college recruit of last years class.. If they felt Pryor wasnt ready to play QB, they could have sat him another year..[/quote]
can you explain to me what the difference is?.. i think a burner is exactly what we need IMO.. someone who will open up play action and keep defenses honest so they cant stack the box.. the ravens are going to be a run first team for years to come and i think a burner (someone who will stretch the field) is the missing link in our WR corps

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='ZIBBY28' post='174599' date='Mar 30 2009, 11:55 PM']can you explain to me what the difference is?.. i think a burner is exactly what we need IMO.. someone who will open up play action and keep defenses honest so they cant stack the box.. the ravens are going to be a run first team for years to come and i think a burner (someone who will stretch the field) is the missing link in our WR corps[/quote]

I'm not sure what his definition is, but i'll tell u opinion. A guy that strecthes the field doesn't have to be a burner. A guy that runs great routes and gets open can strecth the field. You don't have to be a overly fast guy to strecth the defense.

Strecthing the field is more then just going deep. Strecthing the field is also the amouth of spacing a WR creates that frees up other options. For example, if a defense have to double cover a WR then most likely the FS will be shaded to one side of the field. Leaving the other side of the field exposed to man coverage or double moves.(depending on the coverage of course).

In my opinion the difference because the 2 is huge. I'll use 2 guys that seem to get alot of attention on this board(DHB and Britt). Both of these guys can strecth the field and produce big plays. DHB is more of a highligh guy. He will make some great plays that will ignite the crowd and get him posted on all the sport show, but most times he will disappear in games, much like he did at Maryland. He is a guy that will make just enough plays for fans to continue thinking he will break out(sound familir) but ultimately he wouldn't be a #1 WR. Now because he's not a #1 in my opinion doesn't mean he won't be successful. Just not what the Ravens are lookin for at this time.

However on the other hand u have a guy like Kenny Britt. Imo he's a complete WR, he blocks well, he reads defenses well, he makes himself avaliable to his QB. He is the type of guy that can dominate a game without wowing you. Because of his size strength and deceptional speed he creates matchup problems for a defense. He is a guy that draws the attention of the defense which in turn frees up other guys. He is a guy that u can move around on the field inside or out and still be able to maxiumize his skill set. If a defense rolls coverage to account for him then they can't account for the backside. Britt makes plays at ever level of the defense, he runs good enough routes to beat the underneath coverage, he is pyshical enough to compete over the middle, and runs well enough to make plays downfield, so he strecths the field all over. He is almost like Mason just with the ability to be a constant deep threat and not as polished.

Guys that are considered burner or "deep threats" are usually inconsistent players. Like i said before they make great highlight plays, but then go unheard of for 3 or 4 game strecth, much like Mark Clayton. Those type of guys need a #1 type guy that can take pressure and coverage away from them. Those guys are complimentry guys, and we have enough of them.

That is why i feel the Ravens need a #1 type WR, and if we already had one i would be all for DHB or Robiskie. However we don't have that guy, and it doesn't seem like we will trade for that guy, so imo the best thing to do is draft that guy and i beleive that Kenny Britt is that guy.

That is how i feel about the difference between a Burner/Deep threat and a #1 WR.

[Ravensfan23]

As for the debate about his production compared to Britts or Nicks, or the production of a college player period. Well i think numbers speak for alot. I think systems and schemes speak for alot as well. I don't think overall stats mean as much, i like to pay attention to the situational stats.

To me situational stats tell me much more then the overall stats. Many times the overall stats can be padded, but the situational stats and game by game stats help even things out. Like take Nicks for example. Without his huge Bowl game, he would have finished with 60 catches for 1,005 and 9 TDs, not bad numbers but not all that great either. Then u look at his game by game log and see that in the 4 games leading up to his Bowl game, he had a total of 13 catches for 223 yards and 2 TDs. That averages out to about 50 yards per game, which is not impressive.

You look at the situational stats for Robiskie during the 2007 season(because of the whole QB debate) and to me they say alot. He had 55 rec, 35 went for 1st downs, 23 went for 15+ yards and 11 went for 25+. To me that says that when Robiskie does get open it's usually for a 1st down, plus he has good enough speed to make plays down field. However then u look at his game log for that year, and you never really see him dominating any game. He averaged about 4 catches a game which is not bad and allowed a guy like Hartline to take alot of catches away. In my opinion Robiskie is gonna be a excellent #2 type WR, atleast thats what the numbers say to me.

Then you go to a guy like Kenny Britt. As i mentioned in a previous post, i feel he is a complete WR. You look at his overall stats and wonder if and where he could have padded them, but in both his soph and junior years he was the #1 WR for Rutgers and his numbers show it. In 2007 Ray Rice was the focal point of that offense and Britt took advantage of single coverage to the tune of 62 rec for 1232 and 8 TDs. He average 5 catches per game that year, mainly because they didn't have much need to pass the ball. The following year Britt was the clear #1(offensive option) and all he did was produce 87 rec for 1371 7 TD and 7 catches per game. Much like Robiskie and Nicks, he made himself avaliable to his QB he just did it at a much higher rate. Over the last 2 seasons in catches that produce 1st downs both Robiskie and Nicks had 56 and 86 respectively, while Britt had a total of 106 catches for 1st down. In plays that produced 15+ yards Robiskie/Nicks had 36 and 57 respectively, while Britt had a total of 79. This says to me that Britt gets open all over the field.

I'm a big production guy, I really don't care about stats, just as long as u produce but i do beleive that number don't usually lie. I think it says alot for a guy like Britt to have 7 striagh 100 yard games, and to have only 1 game where he was held to less then 60 yards. I think the fact that Robiskie has 24 TDs in 39 games, despite incosistent QB play the last 2 years says a whole lot. I think it say a hellva lot about Nicks that he had to suffer throught 2 medicore QB last season but still produce at a fairly high level.

All in all i feel that each player will help whatever team they end up on. They all have something special about them that the other doesn't have or doesn't do as well. However like everyone else i have my favorite(not so sure about the whole man crush thing). i feel that guy fits exactly what the Ravens need and have been looking 4 for years. They finally got the franchise QB and i think they'll be lookin for that prefect WR to pair him with for many years.

[Devastat1on]

[quote name='ZIBBY28' post='174599' date='Mar 30 2009, 11:55 PM']can you explain to me what the difference is?.. i think a burner is exactly what we need IMO.. someone who will open up play action and keep defenses honest so they cant stack the box.. the ravens are going to be a run first team for years to come and i think a burner (someone who will stretch the field) is the missing link in our WR corps[/quote]

I think Ravensfan23 explained that pretty well for me.. The reason i dont want a burner is EXACTLY because of what Ravensfan23 said when he said "Burners tend to be the inconsistent players".. Even if the Ravens are a run first team, us having a legit #1 receiver like Britt certainly wont hurt the team.. Britt may not have DHB speed, but he can still stretch the field and he isnt considered a burner..


[quote name='Ravensfan23']Strecthing the field is more then just going deep. Strecthing the field is also the amouth of spacing a WR creates that frees up other options. For example, if a defense have to double cover a WR then most likely the FS will be shaded to one side of the field. Leaving the other side of the field exposed to man coverage or double moves.(depending on the coverage of course).

In my opinion the difference because the 2 is huge. I'll use 2 guys that seem to get alot of attention on this board(DHB and Britt). Both of these guys can strecth the field and produce big plays. DHB is more of a highligh guy. He will make some great plays that will ignite the crowd and get him posted on all the sport show, but most times he will disappear in games, much like he did at Maryland. He is a guy that will make just enough plays for fans to continue thinking he will break out(sound familir) but ultimately he wouldn't be a #1 WR. Now because he's not a #1 in my opinion doesn't mean he won't be successful. Just not what the Ravens are lookin for at this time.

However on the other hand u have a guy like Kenny Britt. Imo he's a complete WR, he blocks well, he reads defenses well, he makes himself avaliable to his QB. He is the type of guy that can dominate a game without wowing you. Because of his size strength and deceptional speed he creates matchup problems for a defense. He is a guy that draws the attention of the defense which in turn frees up other guys. He is a guy that u can move around on the field inside or out and still be able to maxiumize his skill set. If a defense rolls coverage to account for him then they can't account for the backside. Britt makes plays at ever level of the defense, he runs good enough routes to beat the underneath coverage, he is pyshical enough to compete over the middle, and runs well enough to make plays downfield, so he strecths the field all over. He is almost like Mason just with the ability to be a constant deep threat and not as polished.[/quote]

I dont think anyone could have said it any better than that.. +1

[Ed_Reed20]

I agree. Well said Ravensfan23. I like Britt too but I've read that he has a diva attitude.

[BloodRaven]

Why are you Britt fanboys always raiding other WR threads with the same hype?

This thread is about Robiskie.

[Ravenskid2085]

My three recivers I'd like to see us draft are [in order]...
1. DHB
2. Britt
3. Robiskie.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' post='174731' date='Mar 31 2009, 03:07 PM']I agree. Well said Ravensfan23. I like Britt too but I've read that he has a diva attitude.[/quote]

Well in my opinon it all depends on how far u wanna look into that term diva, I see no diva in the kid but it is said that most or all WRs can be considered diva because they all demand the ball. People could say that in 2006 Mason was being a diva when he wasn't happy about his production even though we were winning games. So it's just all in how u wanna take that term diva.

Imo a guy that is considered to have a diva like attitude is a guy that is unapproachable, always finding someone else to blame for a lose or something going bad. Always taking the I appoarch instead of the team approach. Britt is the opposite, if u read some of his interviews or articles written about him, he is always talking about the hard work he and the team put in. When he is asked about a record that he broke, the win always seems more important then the numbers, and from what i hear he was a leader for his team, vocally and by example.

If you ask me the kid just likes to compete. The same as Robiskie, they like to feel that they are the best athletics on the field at that time and it is nothing wrong with having confidence in yourself. It's been said that Robiskie can let his talking and the talking of a DB to get in his head and affect his play too much, but i don't see it. I love the passion that he shows on the field.

Alot of times people will take one mistake by a kid and blow it up. Like Britt being suspended for 1 game, now all of a sudden he has charactere issues and u hear about that more then anything. From what i hear he was caught smoking and failed a drug test. He didn't hurt anyone, he didn't rape anyone, he didn't hurt himself, did steal from anyone, he was just being a immature 19 year old kid and he paid for it. Hell guys like Ray Lewis and Marvin Harrision are not said to have Character issues and their trouble with the law was much more serious.

Like i said before people will take the negative and run with it. You will hear about him being suspended, but u won't hear that since that situation he refocused and worked on becoming a better person as well as player. You won't hear about him being a big family guy, and living with his uncle who is a pastor. You won't hear about the people that has had chances to sit down and talk to this kid, the words they use to describe him is, respectful, well mannered, great to be around, always smiling. So i really don't buy the whole diva and character issue thing.

[Devastat1on]

[quote name='BloodRaven' post='174824' date='Mar 31 2009, 07:31 PM']Why are you Britt fanboys always raiding other WR threads with the same hype?

This thread is about Robiskie.[/quote]

Yes, the thread is about Robiskie, but if we feel he isnt the right fit for us, shouldnt we name who we think the right fit is instead of just saying "oh no, hes not right for us"? Compare stats and start a debate, to show why you think he isnt right.. A reason we may not think hes right for the team is because theres better that we can get so why not name that player?

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='Devastat1on' post='175271' date='Apr 1 2009, 06:37 PM']Yes, the thread is about Robiskie, but if we feel he isnt the right fit for us, shouldnt we name who we think the right fit is instead of just saying "oh no, hes not right for us"? Compare stats and start a debate, to show why you think he isnt right.. A reason we may not think hes right for the team is because theres better that we can get so why not name that player?[/quote]

Look, Im a regular. Ive read your arguement about 5 times on threads that have nothing to do with Kenny Britt.

[Devastat1on]

[quote name='BloodRaven' post='175366' date='Apr 2 2009, 03:58 AM']Look, Im a regular. Ive read your arguement about 5 times on threads that have nothing to do with Kenny Britt.[/quote]

The threads dont have to be about Britt for me to bring him up.. If we're talking about wide receivers, why not bring up other wide receivers to compare him to? Not everyone is a regular like you, so why not spread the word on Britt?