Trade For Braylon Edwards

[T-Sizzle55]

[quote name='Canes21' post='172023' date='Mar 23 2009, 07:20 PM']since its been reported that braylon edwards in on the trading block and the browns asked the giants for a 2nd, 5th, and steve smith. why not give them a 2nd, 5th and mason. edwards has more upside[/quote]

Didn't he lead the league in drops last year? Even if he didn't, there were still quite A LOT! Hey Braylon, call me when you get your hands back.

[smashmouth]

[quote name='hallmark' post='172438' date='Mar 24 2009, 09:17 PM']If you were GUARANTEED that Edwards would regain his star WR form, I still wouldn't make the trade. I don't like pouring that kind of money into a 2nd tier WR. And, by the way, no one can make that guarantee.

Mason, though old, comes relatively cheap and he brings good production and great leadership/toughness with very high consistency in both areas. If you're going to trade away a guy like Mase as well as take on a major WR contract, you have to get a sure thing in return. Braylon Edwards is very far from a sure thing. When you throw draft picks on top of that, the deal becomes that much more unreasonable.[/quote]

a 1200 yard and 16 TD reciever is 2nd tier.. WOW we must have 4th tier recievers on our team.
The Browns had as bad of a year as we did 2 years ago. They went to there 3rd string QB.. The Browns are always bad with management also.

I agree with everything you say about Mason. Edwards is a diffirent type of reciever. He is a deep threat burner. Mason is old man reliable. He runs some of the best Routes in all the NFL ( older guys do this to even out there lack of speed ) And He is a lock to catch a ball thrown into His area.

T-O a sure HoF is usally ALWAYS at the top of the NFL when it comes drop's also. Moss has had years where He dropped quite a few passes also.

His hands are good enough for Him to become a elite reciever. But He needs a consitant team.

[TSizzle00]

Ew even is his best season in 07 he still had lots of drops, I Hate Drops!!

[Canes21]

at least smashmouth understands football

[WACKO4FLACC0]

[quote name='Canes21' post='172023' date='Mar 23 2009, 06:20 PM']since its been reported that braylon edwards in on the trading block and the browns asked the giants for a 2nd, 5th, and steve smith. why not give them a 2nd, 5th and mason. edwards has more upside[/quote]
has more up side??? like horrible hands???? hahah no! Do you remember the game against us last year when they were destroying us at the half by like 17??? He dropped a huge pass when it mattered and he is drops passes left and right.

Maybe he should catch with ONE ARM like Mason

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='Canes21' post='172494' date='Mar 24 2009, 11:13 PM']at least smashmouth understands football[/quote]

lets be honest here, you say he's an elite WR after one big monster season, few people say he isn't worth a trade because he led the league in drops after one season

Clevelend wants value for what you say about him, but next to no intelligent team is gonna give up that much for him... especially in this league that is solely based on what have you done for me lately, i'm sorry i just don't buy it, if we are making that kind of an offer, i'd rather make it to someone like detroit who is more likely to accept it due to the fact that they need as much draft picks as they can get, and WR is a luxury not a necessity.

[WACKO4FLACC0]

[quote name='Reddawn36' post='172499' date='Mar 24 2009, 10:20 PM']lets be honest here, you say he's an elite WR after one big monster season, few people say he isn't worth a trade because he led the league in drops after one season

Clevelend wants value for what you say about him, but next to no intelligent team is gonna give up that much for him... [b]especially in this league that is solely based on what have you done for me lately[/b], i'm sorry i just don't buy it, if we are making that kind of an offer, i'd rather make it to someone like detroit who is more likely to accept it due to the fact that they need as much draft picks as they can get, and WR is a luxury not a necessity.[/quote]
TRUE DAT!

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='Reddawn36' post='172499' date='Mar 24 2009, 11:20 PM']lets be honest here, you say he's an elite WR after one big monster season, few people say he isn't worth a trade because he led the league in drops after one season

Clevelend wants value for what you say about him, but next to no intelligent team is gonna give up that much for him... especially in this league that is solely based on what have you done for me lately, i'm sorry i just don't buy it, if we are making that kind of an offer, i'd rather make it to someone like detroit who is more likely to accept it due to the fact that they need as much draft picks as they can get, and WR is a luxury not a necessity.[/quote]

i meant to add

WR isn't a necessity to a team rebuilding, it is down on the required positions to do well... don't get me wrong, they help (alot) but for an established team they become more of a necessity

[smashmouth]

[quote name='Reddawn36' post='172499' date='Mar 24 2009, 11:20 PM']lets be honest here, you say he's an elite WR after one big monster season, few people say he isn't worth a trade because he led the league in drops after one season

Clevelend wants value for what you say about him, but next to no intelligent team is gonna give up that much for him... especially in this league that is solely based on what have you done for me lately, i'm sorry i just don't buy it, if we are making that kind of an offer, i'd rather make it to someone like detroit who is more likely to accept it due to the fact that they need as much draft picks as they can get, and WR is a luxury not a necessity.[/quote]
And how good is Clevland? We of ALL teams should understand that without a stability at QB, and O-Line, there is no offense.

What year did He have His monster season? Yea His 10-6 season, the same year they got Anderson, yea that guy that was on our pratice squad who somehow managed to become somewhat good, and consistant. ( He left Billick's system IMO ) I never said He was "elite", I said He could become elite with a consistant TEAM.

I honestly dont care if we would trade for Edwards or not, I'm niether here nor there about it. But facts are facts, ALOT of the elite recievers today and even in the past has had problems with dropped passes. Even Santonio Holmes, who just won SB MVP.

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='smashmouth' post='172510' date='Mar 25 2009, 01:34 AM']And how good is Clevland? We of ALL teams should understand that without a stability at QB, and O-Line, there is no offense.

What year did He have His monster season? Yea His 10-6 season, the same year they got Anderson, yea that guy that was on our pratice squad who somehow managed to become somewhat good, and consistant. ( He left Billick's system IMO ) I never said He was "elite", I said He could become elite with a consistant TEAM.

I honestly dont care if we would trade for Edwards or not, I'm niether here nor there about it. But facts are facts, ALOT of the elite recievers today and even in the past has had problems with dropped passes. Even Santonio Holmes, who just won SB MVP.[/quote]

that is true, but why not attempt to offer a little bit more for quite possibly the best WR in the game (only reason he isn't considered that high up is he plays for the lions) and yes i'm talking about calvin johnson(who is quite frankly on a worse team all around than clevelend).... but before i get the.... "that will never happen" it is more possible than you might think..... while detroit needs draft picks out the rearend

however, i do agree with your statement

EDIT: (inserted a comma after however)

[smashmouth]

[quote name='Reddawn36' post='172513' date='Mar 25 2009, 01:43 AM']that is true, but why not attempt to offer a little bit more for quite possibly the best WR in the game (only reason he isn't considered that high up is he plays for the lions) and yes i'm talking about calvin johnson(who is quite frankly on a worse team all around than clevelend).... but before i get the.... "that will never happen" it is more possible than you might think..... while detroit needs draft picks out the rearend

however, i do agree with your statement

EDIT: (inserted a comma after however)[/quote]
Would depend on what Det would want. No one really knows if Det would even take phone calls for trade offers. If someone called us for Flacco what would you trade Him for? Lol would be tough.

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='smashmouth' post='172514' date='Mar 25 2009, 01:48 AM']Would depend on what Det would want. No one really knows if Det would even take phone calls for trade offers. If someone called us for Flacco what would you trade Him for? Lol would be tough.[/quote]

it would be hard to believe detroit would hang up on any calls for draft picks, after you go 0-16. we just had an afc champ. run, therefore we have the capability to not take calls for flacco... idk if what i'm saying is making sense, cause bout to go to bed, but with how detroit has been in the past..... plus with a FRESH start, they would just about have to make deals and trades for anything w/ either draft picks or QB's.... and i'm not the only one who said something about this (actually look it up on the BR website its like a "you said it... wr" edition..... but for any WR trade i think he's our best bet

[SUPERBOWLorBUST]

[quote name='justifythegame' post='172292' date='Mar 24 2009, 01:21 PM']because edwards sucks. guys has everything you might be looking for except the most important thing - hands. clayton, even dem williams has better hands. i mean we drafted figurs because he broke records at the combine with his speed but what the use, he can't catch the ball. difference is, edwards would get thrown to cuz he is edwards but drop like half his passes, whats the point, we could use that 2nd round pick on someone who could become a pro bowler instead.[/quote]


couldn't agree more.......i'll give up maybe a 3rd or 4th - - that's about it though. who do the browns think they have? if the cards trade boldin, they won't even get as much as the browns are asking for edwards

[RI Ravens fan]

I wouldn't give up a 2nd round pick for him. He drops way to many passes. I'd rather have the guys we have now. Maybe a 3rd round pick for him but thats it.

[markorad]

edwards can't catch lately PLUS the browns would never trade him within the AFC North unless we over-payed big time and ozzie would never let that happen

[justifythegame]

[quote name='smashmouth' post='172430' date='Mar 24 2009, 09:04 PM']We drafted figures for Kickoffs and punt return skill's alone. Not because He is a all-pro reciever. Figure's was a beast then all of a sudden He became shy to get hit.

Figured I'd throw that out there since alot of people are compairing Him also with DHB. Dont forget alot of people was also making the compairison of us drafting Flacco for His big arm, just like Kyle Boller..[/quote]
Get your facts straight. I've heard about our plans when we drafted him. Not not for his KR skills alone. That was half the reason. With the fastest speed at the combine we wanted to see if we could improve him as a WR. We drafted him as a project at WR also. If that project didn't work out we figure (no pun intended) we have an elite KR at least. Thats why we drafted him in the 4th round. You wouldn't use that high a pick on KRs, and BJ Sams was a better KR we had on the roster at the time anyway.

[Adam Jones]

I can't believe people are saying they wouldn't even give a second round pick for Edwards. This would solve our reciever problem instanly. He is 6'3 215 which could be the height we are looking for and he is suprisingly fast. He is a year removed from 1,200 yards and like 15 td's.
He had like three different QB's throwing him the ball last year including Glenn Dorsey, no wonder he had a down year. He still averaged like 16 ypc with the inconsistent QB play. Imagine if we had Flacco throwing to him....
Imagine a three reciever set with Mason, Clayton, Edwards, Heap, and McGahee. He reminds me a lot of Clayton but is probably more of a playmaker with not as good hands.
I think most Raven's fans just don't like him because he plays for the Browns. I also hate the Browns but this guy is a great athlete and if we could somehow work out a deal for him I say we try it. I just don't think they trade him to someone they have to play twice a year.

[b-morebrotha]

Wasn't Braylon's best yr the season they came off a 1 or 2 win season so in turn they play the wackest teams in the league. Then after going 10-6 their right back in the cellar where they belong. That seams ill-legit to me. They can keep dude no thanks.

T-O is constantly making up for his drops though with big plays at the right moment, thats what makes him elite and Randy rarley drops a pass when he believes in his team.

Detriot finally got a draft pick correct and you're thinking they are going to trade it away? NOT A CHANCE. He is only 3 yrs deep in the league which happens to be the time when WR's should do their best.

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='b-morebrotha' post='172612' date='Mar 25 2009, 11:16 AM']Wasn't Braylon's best yr the season they came off a 1 or 2 win season so in turn they play the wackest teams in the league. Then after going 10-6 their right back in the cellar where they belong. That seams ill-legit to me. They can keep dude no thanks.

T-O is constantly making up for his drops though with big plays at the right moment, thats what makes him elite and Randy rarley drops a pass when he believes in his team.

Detriot finally got a draft pick correct and you're thinking they are going to trade it away? NOT A CHANCE. He is only 3 yrs deep in the league which happens to be the time when WR's should do their best.[/quote]

its much more likely than anybody is giving credit for..... ya he's their best player, but when you go 0-16, you have a pretty big dire need at just about everywhere, if someone can give you the right offering than it is quite plausible.... and b4 i get any1 saying "the right price to them is our whole draft" .... idk, i honestly believe it is a possibility that it could happen, a greater possibility than braylon edwards coming to us

[b-morebrotha]

[quote name='Reddawn36' post='172618' date='Mar 25 2009, 11:55 AM']its much more likely than anybody is giving credit for..... ya he's their best player, but when you go 0-16, you have a pretty big dire need at just about everywhere, if someone can give you the right offering than it is quite plausible.... and b4 i get any1 saying "the right price to them is our whole draft" .... idk, i honestly believe it is a possibility that it could happen, a greater possibility than braylon edwards coming to us[/quote]

But to trade him away creates another need and another uncertanty at the wr poss. If it were any other team than maybe but this is the team that drafted 3 or 4 straight #1 wide recievers. They finally get it right and hen they ship him out to start all over.

If anything I think he is the building block of this team everything should revolve around Calvin as a leader of the football club.
He was a can't miss pick of that draft and this year its Aaron Curry. Forget the iffy QB

Detriot does need everything and there is no way they climb out this hole in 1 season in 1 draft

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='b-morebrotha' post='172633' date='Mar 25 2009, 01:11 PM']But to trade him away creates another need and another uncertanty at the wr poss. If it were any other team than maybe but this is the team that drafted 3 or 4 straight #1 wide recievers. They finally get it right and hen they ship him out to start all over.

If anything I think he is the building block of this team everything should revolve around Calvin as a leader of the football club.
He was a can't miss pick of that draft and this year its Aaron Curry. Forget the iffy QB

Detriot does need everything and there is no way they climb out this hole in 1 season in 1 draft[/quote]

thats my thinking, and you trade johnson for multiple picks.... some being very good quality

i understand your point, but a team built around a WR really isn't the best (yayaya, you've got arizona but they are alot more complete than detroit)

meh whats it matter lol, i don't think i can win this debate due to the fact that either one of us can just keep turning around and say "It's the Lions"

and besides the fact that i want calvin johnson lol i do wish the lions the best, i like their new H.C. and really don't think any team deserves to go 0-16

[Bullitt_711]

[quote name='Canes21' post='172023' date='Mar 23 2009, 07:20 PM']since its been reported that braylon edwards in on the trading block and the browns asked the giants for a 2nd, 5th, and steve smith. why not give them a 2nd, 5th and mason. edwards has more upside[/quote]

Really they want that much, that doesn't sound realistic to me. WR's are such a pain in the ******. They shouldn't get near the money they get vs. all the other positions, when they are really good, they become primadonna's anyway. Even our buddy D Mase as he's neaing the end of his career wants to re-up his contract before it's due.

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='Bullitt_711' post='172667' date='Mar 25 2009, 02:25 PM']Really they want that much, that doesn't sound realistic to me. WR's are such a pain in the ******. They shouldn't get near the money they get vs. all the other positions, when they are really good, they become primadonna's anyway. [b]Even our buddy D Mase as he's neaing the end of his career wants to re-up his contract before it's due.[/b][/quote]

whats wrong with a little bit of job security, i mean look at marvin harrison, he was spectacular while on the colts, he gets cut and no body wants to touch him.... torry holt he's on vacation so i'm not gonna say the same about him

[b-morebrotha]

[b]REDDAWN36[/b]


Oh I'd take him in a heart beat if they're stupid enough to do it... heck yes I just dont believe they are.

I've been pulling for the Lions to do well for yrs now kind of like people pulled for Malone Barkley Marino and K.G.

Megatron would DOMINATE in our division.

The LIONS need God Jesus, Ala and Muhhamed, Buddah (on the o-line), in order to turn this thing around
Maybe if they were in the draft they'd trade Calvin LOL

[Ravensfan19]

Why would the lions trade calvin johnson? all they're gonna with those picks is go to the draft and try and find another calvin johnson. Like everyone said they finally got it right and they already have 3 of the first 33 picks anyway. I don't see them trading away their only legit threat for a bunch of unproven rookies

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='b-morebrotha' post='172677' date='Mar 25 2009, 02:46 PM'][b]REDDAWN36[/b]


Oh I'd take him in a heart beat if they're stupid enough to do it... heck yes I just dont believe they are.

I've been pulling for the Lions to do well for yrs now kind of like people pulled for Malone Barkley Marino and K.G.

Megatron would DOMINATE in our division.

The LIONS need God Jesus, Ala and Muhhamed, Buddah (on the o-line), in order to turn this thing around
Maybe if they were in the draft they'd trade Calvin LOL[/quote]

hey, a fan can dream

[SUPERBOWLorBUST]

[quote name='Reddawn36' post='172670' date='Mar 25 2009, 02:28 PM']whats wrong with a little bit of job security, i mean look at marvin harrison, he was spectacular while on the colts, he gets cut and no body wants to touch him.... torry holt he's on vacation so i'm not gonna say the same about him[/quote]


i don't see anything wrong with him wanting security either. he has played his @** off for us. he deserves an extension. even if he drops on the depth chart to #2 - -

[smashmouth]

[quote name='justifythegame' post='172605' date='Mar 25 2009, 10:42 AM']Get your facts straight. I've heard about our plans when we drafted him. Not not for his KR skills alone. That was half the reason. With the fastest speed at the combine we wanted to see if we could improve him as a WR. We drafted him as a project at WR also. If that project didn't work out we figure (no pun intended) we have an elite KR at least. Thats why we drafted him in the 4th round. You wouldn't use that high a pick on KRs, and BJ Sams was a better KR we had on the roster at the time anyway.[/quote]
Maybe you should get yours right. BILLICK and the rest of the staff compared and drafted Figures STRICTLY for a KR / PR.
EVERY single return specilist has another postion: ie RB,WR,CB. Most usally do not start. There's always exceptions to the rule. Ed Reed makes a great return man, but He's a fulltime starter, and they dont want to take the risk.

Figures was NEVER projected to be a elite reciever by any scout or draft anaylist, only a elite returner.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='smashmouth' post='172883' date='Mar 25 2009, 09:25 PM']Maybe you should get yours right. BILLICK and the rest of the staff compared and drafted Figures STRICTLY for a KR / PR.
EVERY single return specilist has another postion: ie RB,WR,CB. Most usally do not start. There's always exceptions to the rule. Ed Reed makes a great return man, but He's a fulltime starter, and they dont want to take the risk.

Figures was NEVER projected to be a elite reciever by any scout or draft anaylist, only a elite returner.[/quote]

Just playin around here, but is your "h" button on your computer stuck on caps lock when you're typing?

You don't need to capitalize him, he, he's etc.......

[SUPERBOWLorBUST]

[quote name='1/28/01' post='173043' date='Mar 26 2009, 01:23 PM']Just playin around here, but is your "h" button on your computer stuck on caps lock when you're typing?

You don't need to capitalize him, he, he's etc.......

[/quote]


Here we go with the "there, they're, and their" thing again.....