Flacco Expendable?

[Marc2k6]

[size=4]Flacco is not on the trading block, so why are so many people tripping over a segment of NFL Net. that was talking about trades hypothetically. Hypothetically we could trade Flacco and go with Troy Smith but that is only hypothectically so what is the bid deal! [/size]

[BirdWatcher]

Just a note to those of you referencing or quoting bleacherreport articles: please don't bother. They have spammed us so many times that we're considering adding their website name to the obscenity filter.

(Okay, that was a joke, maybe, but they've been so far off-base so often, why even bother to link to their stuff?)

[DTenGil]

sure this would be a good play, if we were the Detroit Lions. We are a legit contender and the future of the franchise is Flacco. I would love Smith to stay on the roster and expand his role in the Suggs package, but that won't happen beyond his contract if not sooner. Smith def has the stuff to be a starting QB in the NFL and could make a lot of teams better. I kinda surprised more teams haven't showed an interest in him (Jets).

[agpowell]

Whoah :S lol i never meant to imply to anyone that Flacco might actually be on the trading block, i just wanted people's thoughts on whether this was possible/reasonable as a hypotheticial situation! Haha i know Flacco is not gonna be traded, i was just interested in what people thought about the comments made.

[thewarden86]

Trade him for who??? Now way, if Troy Smith has "it" then trade Troy Smith. Sorry Rod, but I don't agree.

[Marc2k6]

[quote name='agpowell' post='170853' date='Mar 20 2009, 04:30 PM']Whoah :S lol i never meant to imply to anyone that Flacco might actually be on the trading block, i just wanted people's thoughts on whether this was possible/reasonable as a hypotheticial situation! Haha i know Flacco is not gonna be traded, i was just interested in what people thought about the comments made.[/quote]
What? You can pose just about anything as hypothetical! I think most of the people reading this thread are missing that it is just hypothetical.

[kash96ravenstotalfan]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='170616' date='Mar 19 2009, 08:29 PM']It's not that he's biased toward black quarterbacks solely because they're black, it's just that guys like Woodson, Ray, Reed, and Suggs are able to relate with other African-American players because they come from the same backgrounds, listen to the same music, talk the same way, and simply have many things in common.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Ray Lewis would not be able to naturally hit it off with a 24 year old white guy like Flacco.[/quote]
Actually, I've read the Ray has mentored/welcomed Flacco to the team. I think Ray is happy to have a QB that can get the offense into the game, finally.

[Ravnet]

[quote name='kash96ravenstotalfan' post='170902' date='Mar 20 2009, 06:52 PM']Actually, I've read the Ray has mentored/welcomed Flacco to the team. I think Ray is happy to have a QB that can get the offense into the game, finally.[/quote]

Ray, Ed and Suggs were big Troy guys for a while, and probably still are.

Suggs is a great player, but I was beyond ticked at that guy after he pulled his training camp stunt, and then openly called out Joe and Harbaugh during the season.

Ray welcomed Joe to the team because he was a quarterback taken in the first round, but I'd be willing to bet that Lewis was pulling for Troy, expecting him to start and secure the job as his own.

[kash96ravenstotalfan]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='170906' date='Mar 20 2009, 07:09 PM']Ray, Ed and Suggs were big Troy guys for a while, and probably still are.

Suggs is a great player, but I was beyond ticked at that guy after he pulled his training camp stunt, and then openly called out Joe and Harbaugh during the season.

Ray welcomed Joe to the team because he was a quarterback taken in the first round, but I'd be willing to bet that Lewis was pulling for Troy, expecting him to start and secure the job as his own.[/quote]
If Ray was pulling for Troy at the beginning of the season, my guess is he is now pulling for Joe!

[Ravenoid]

Only because he knows he has Cam Cameron to bail him out if he is wrong. I'm a Rod Woodson fan too but that doesn't mean he knows beans about evaluating QBs. My only defense of Rod's opinion is that Flacco has played just one year and anyone is expendable if you are willing to trust your offense to a short QB with big game experience waiting in the wings.

[Ravensfan19]

No way Joe goes anywhere. He's gonna be gettin his Flac on for years to come here in Baltimore. Hopefully Ozzie will pay him when it comes time and keep him around because he will be a great quarterback. I would like to see us use Troy more though. That Troy to Flacco pass against the raiders was probably my favorite play ever

[Ravenoid]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='170616' date='Mar 19 2009, 08:29 PM']It's not that he's biased toward black quarterbacks solely because they're black, it's just that guys like Woodson, Ray, Reed, and Suggs are able to relate with other African-American players because they come from the same backgrounds, listen to the same music, talk the same way, and simply have many things in common.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Ray Lewis would not be able to naturally hit it off with a 24 year old white guy like Flacco.[/quote]
I agree. It takes a man with great character to be able to look at another man, who is very different than he, and see quality in him. My SALUTE to those players and coaches that can see quality in all of God's creations.

[T-Sizzle55]

[quote name='agpowell' post='169903' date='Mar 18 2009, 07:33 AM']On NFL Network Rod Woodson would consider trading Flacco if in Ozzie's shoes, as he considers Troy Smith to be in the midst and to have the 'it' factor therefore making Flacco available for trade value. Is this even thinkable!? Would any of you guys even consider any kind of trade for Flacco?

[url="http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80f510c2"]http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80f510c2[/url]

My bad btw if something has already been posted along these lines.[/quote]

Well, thank goodness we didn't promote Roddy to GM.
I think Rod has been hanging out too much with Josh McDaniels. You don't put Rookie Of The Year QBs anywhere near a trading block. When your talking about a franchise like Baltimore who for years has been hoping to find a young talented QB, you don't toy with ideas remotely like getting rid of him. That kind of talk needs to be taken out to the toolshed and slapped upside the head by reality. End of story!

[FerrariFan87]

Joe is the FRANCHISE. Period.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' post='170935' date='Mar 20 2009, 08:47 PM']Joe is [b]theFRANCHISE.[/b] Period.[/quote]
No, I'm not Joe, sorry.

(I had to do it)

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' post='170944' date='Mar 20 2009, 09:24 PM']No, I'm not Joe, sorry.

(I had to do it) [/quote]

and here i was going around telling ppl that i thought you were joe flacco

[mhead66]

It's funny - someone makes a statement that Joe Flacco is expendable, and a 6 page thread develops, of everyone stating, in his/her own words, that, "No, he's not!"

We should have all simply replied, "Ditto" to the first post, me included...

[T-Sizzle55]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='170616' date='Mar 19 2009, 08:29 PM']It's not that he's biased toward black quarterbacks solely because they're black, it's just that guys like Woodson, Ray, Reed, and Suggs are able to relate with other African-American players because they come from the same backgrounds, listen to the same music, talk the same way, and simply have many things in common.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Ray Lewis would not be able to naturally hit it off with a 24 year old white guy like Flacco.[/quote]

I don't know about all that. I think a lot of it is about respect. Troy Smith won their respect by showing his talents on the feild at the end of 2007 as opposed to a rookie who, at that time, never played a game above D1-AA. He's a 6'0 220 lbs QB who was drafted in the 5th round. He's not prototycal anything, yet he can still makes plays. He's an underdog and people tend to root for them.

Troy Smith didn't get to be a QB or a heisman candidate because some people prefered his background. He acheived those things by proving it on the feild each and everyday. And taking anything away from his abilities is robbing him of all the hard work he puts in each and everyday. He's young, very talented, and super smart. I have always wanted to see him get a shot at a starting job because I feel he would excel at QB if given only the oportunity. I just don't see him being the permanent starter HERE. You hire, promote, and give starting roles to quality players and he has shown he has great qualities to one day step up.

I'm going to go out on a limb to say Ray can befriend just about anyone! He's friends with Bisciotti, he's a white guy. When Flacco throws a TD, Ray is one of the first to congradulate him. On the other hand, when Flacco messes up Ray is right there to tell him not to dwell on it, learn from your mistakes, and the defense has your back. Maybe Ray wouldn't be Flaccos best freind because Ray is a 30 year old man with a family who has already partied it uup for years. That being said, I don't think he would hang out with Troy that much either because they are at different points in their life right now and prefer to do different things. That doesn't mean that they don't respect eachother as players and teammates, but Flacco and Troy might want to hit the clubs, while Ray might want to get home and be with his family.

Plus, whoever said you have to instantly be someone's friend just be their quarterback. The way Ray was hugging Flacco all season makes me think they get along just fine!

[Ravnet]

[quote name='T-Sizzle55' post='170974' date='Mar 20 2009, 10:32 PM']I don't know about all that. I think a lot of it is about respect. Troy Smith won their respect by showing his talents on the feild at the end of 2007 as opposed to a rookie who, at that time, never played a game above D1-AA. He's a 6'0 220 lbs QB who was drafted in the 5th round. He's not prototycal anything, yet he can still makes plays. He's an underdog and people tend to root for them.

Troy Smith didn't get to be a QB or a heisman candidate because some people prefered his background. He acheived those things by proving it on the feild each and everyday. And taking anything away from his abilities is robbing him of all the hard work he puts in each and everyday. He's young, very talented, and super smart. I have always wanted to see him get a shot at a starting job because I feel he would excel at QB if given only the oportunity. I just don't see him being the permanent starter HERE. You hire, promote, and give starting roles to quality players and he has shown he has great qualities to one day step up.

When Flacco throws a TD, Ray is one of the first to congradulate him. On the other hand, when Flacco messes up Ray is right there to tell him not to dwell on it, learn from your mistakes, and the defense has your back. Maybe Ray wouldn't be Flaccos best freind because Ray is a 30 year old man with a family who has already partied it uup for years. That being said, I don't think he would hang out with Troy that much either because they are at different points in their life right now and prefer to do different things. That doesn't mean that they don't respect eachother as players and teammates, but Flacco and Troy might want to hit the clubs, while Ray might want to get home and be with his family.[/quote]

This was a solid post, but in no way does it rebut my point.; more than likely it was a combination of the two.

Again, I liked what you said, but this line took my words grossly out of context,

[quote]He's friends with Bisciotti, he's a white guy.[/quote]

In no way did I mean that Ray can only be friends with black guys, rather that it's just natural for Troy Smith and Ray Lewis to hit it off. I'm not sure if you took it in that manner, but it is just human nature to gravitate toward people with similar interests, and football players are no different.

[quote]Plus, whoever said you have to instantly be someone's friend just be their quarterback. The way Ray was hugging Flacco all season makes me think they get along just fine![/quote]

I'm not really sure what that means either because I never insinuated that Ray and Joe aren't good friends, I was just trying to voice my opinion on why some guys click easily.

[Ed_Reed20]

Flacco isn't expendable at all. The team has spent years trying to find a franchise QB and they have all finally found one who could be special. Flacco is the future.

[mpplaya07]

WHACCO FOR FLACCO 4 LIFE...

[darklight1216]

The funny thing is that if this were the twilight zone and the Ravens did trade Flacco, the media would be like "Oh my gosh, what were they thinking?"

[plesiosaur]

[quote name='BaltimoreBulldog' post='170188' date='Mar 18 2009, 07:54 PM']Another stupid TV ANALyst trying to get some ratings. You are wasting your time worrying about what these guys say.[/quote]

Though I don't thing Ron Woodson's stupid, I agree that the NFL guys don't have a hell of a lot to discuss right now. Everything is speculation up to the draft, then the absolutely football-dead months of May and June. It's all blah blah blah until training camp starts.

kinda like my post

[Reddawn36]

ok this is getting out of hand lol, rod woodson and solomon wilcotts were discussing if QB's should be labled untradeable, in THEIR opinion, while i do disagree with them saying flacco is expendable and ryan isn't, we haven't had a QB in like... forever and we've done alright

but this was all hypothetical, he said he would listen not he would trade, there is nothing wrong with reportedly listening to offers (unless your a certain unnamed individual (again thats my opinion of that situation)) but it was all hypothetical the dude is able to start his own opinion. also just because he says what he would do doesn't mean ozzie is gonna be like ya he's right we SHOULD do that

like some ppl stated b4 me there is very little to talk about (besides Jay Cutler) right now, and the show must go on

[TXRaven]

Joe Flacco is our QB, end of discussion!

[smashmouth]

[quote name='T-Sizzle55' post='170974' date='Mar 20 2009, 10:32 PM']I don't know about all that. I think a lot of it is about respect. Troy Smith won their respect by showing his talents on the feild at the end of 2007 as opposed to a rookie who, at that time, never played a game above D1-AA. He's a 6'0 220 lbs QB who was drafted in the 5th round. He's not prototycal anything, yet he can still makes plays. He's an underdog and people tend to root for them.

Troy Smith didn't get to be a QB or a heisman candidate because some people prefered his background. He acheived those things by proving it on the feild each and everyday. And taking anything away from his abilities is robbing him of all the hard work he puts in each and everyday. He's young, very talented, and super smart. I have always wanted to see him get a shot at a starting job because I feel he would excel at QB if given only the oportunity. I just don't see him being the permanent starter HERE. You hire, promote, and give starting roles to quality players and he has shown he has great qualities to one day step up.

I'm going to go out on a limb to say Ray can befriend just about anyone! He's friends with Bisciotti, he's a white guy. When Flacco throws a TD, Ray is one of the first to congradulate him. On the other hand, when Flacco messes up Ray is right there to tell him not to dwell on it, learn from your mistakes, and the defense has your back. Maybe Ray wouldn't be Flaccos best freind because Ray is a 30 year old man with a family who has already partied it uup for years. That being said, I don't think he would hang out with Troy that much either because they are at different points in their life right now and prefer to do different things. That doesn't mean that they don't respect eachother as players and teammates, but Flacco and Troy might want to hit the clubs, while Ray might want to get home and be with his family.

Plus, whoever said you have to instantly be someone's friend just be their quarterback. The way Ray was hugging Flacco all season makes me think they get along just fine![/quote]


Ray was the FIRST to say that Flacco is going to become something special, He said this about a month into TC. He along with everyone else was hoping Flacco got the chance to learn on the sideline to start the season. Regardless of what happened there shouldent be any doubts in the defense minds now that Flacco is not capable. They had the right to be worried because of Boller, But Flacco diddnt disappoint.

Ray is too easy to get along with. He will sit and watch film with anyone who ask's. Just be pre-paired to sit for hours. Ed Reed is His biggest film watching buddy.

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='smashmouth' post='171351' date='Mar 22 2009, 01:01 AM']Ray was the FIRST to say that Flacco is going to become something special, He said this about a month into TC. He along with everyone else was hoping Flacco got the chance to learn on the sideline to start the season. Regardless of what happened there shouldent be any doubts in the defense minds now that Flacco is not capable. They had the right to be worried because of Boller, But Flacco diddnt disappoint.

Ray is too easy to get along with. He will sit and watch film with anyone who ask's. Just be pre-paired to sit for hours. Ed Reed is His biggest film watching buddy.[/quote]

hell, i believe it

[Wacko4Zacko]

How many years did we sign Flacco for?

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='Wacko4Zacko' post='171430' date='Mar 22 2009, 11:11 AM']How many years did we sign Flacco for?[/quote]

he's on his rookie contract, unless there is something different, remember alot of ppl thought alot of derek anderson and the browns signed him to a pretty big contract after a 1 and out, and the browns are regretting it right about how, not saying flacco will do the same, but our FO is alot more careful (i think anyway) i think maybe he's got 3-4 years on a rookie contract, could be wrong though