Kenny Britt=#1 Wr?

[Ravensfan23]

Ok so for the past 3 months or so, everyone has been yelling out the Wr they would like the Ravens to select. There has been many DHB supporters, as well as Hakeem Nicks, and there has been very little on the Kenny Britt bang wagon.

Well in this thread i'm gonna give u some stats and reasons why i think Britt is the best WR option for the Baltimore Ravens.

Ok so first off i'll tell u why imo Britt would be a perfect fit for us. His size and srength is obviously an attention grabber for any team. 6'4 218 with a 37.5" vertical. Unlike most young guys with great size and srength Britt actually uses it to his full advantage. Shielding defenders away from the ball, and creating yac by breaking tackles. He was bigger then 95% of the CBs he faced and that will continue in the pros. Britt has deceptive speed, is quick in and out of his routes, and has the ability to dominate every level of the field. He is also a very good blocker in the run game. Britt has also played in a pro-style offense in all 3 seasons at RU. In his first 2 seasons he played in a run first offense and last season he played in a one deminsional offense.

In 2007 when u played RU, Ray Rice was the main offensive weapon to stop. Defenses loaded the box and Britt took advantage of 1on1 opportunities. As we saw last season the Ravens still wanna run the ball alot and bring those safeties down in the box. Imo adding Britt would not only help Flacco but Clayton as well, as he would be matched up against nickle and dime backs. In 2008 teams came into games vs RU planning to stop Britt and were unable to do so.

I keep hearing people say Britt can't be a #1 WR and will be a good possession WR, well i disagree. His intangibles lead me to beleive he can be a #1 and his numbers are overall better then every other WR projected to go in the 1st round( yes including Crabtree in most cases). Here are those numbers i'm talkin about.

I took the stats from 2007 -2008 because all of these guys had atleast 2 college seasons. So these stats are the amount of situational catches that all of these guys had the past 2 seasons. Situational stats being catches that result in 1st down/15+ yard catches/25+ yard catches. In most cases these stats are a really good indication of a #1 WR.

Britt- 2007 1st(50) 15+(43) 25+(15) 2008 1st(58) 15+(38) 25+(11) Pro style offense

Crabtree-2007 1st(83) 15+(48) 25+(23) 2008 1st(43) 15+(25) 25+(10) pass happy offense.

Nicks- 2007 1st(42) 15+(26) 25+(8) 2008 1st(44) 15+(31) 25+(15) west coast style

DHB- 2007 1st(35) 15+(17) 25+(7) 2008 1st(22) 15+(12) 25+(7) Balanced offense

Maclin 2007 1st(45) 15+(25) 25+(10) 2008 1st(54) 15+20) 25+(14) pass happy offense


Looking that those numbers Britt is more then #1 material imo. As i mentioned before he has played in pro style offense so he won't have a big adjustment to the NFL. Both Crabtree and Maclin played in spread type pass happy offenses that put up alot of point, so that gave them more oppoturnities to *** stats. Nicks didn't have numbers consistent of a #1 WR. He had 5 really good games and every other was average. Also 5 of his 15(25+) plays came in the one bowl game. Now that is not a knock on him, just shows that his number aren't consistent. As for DHB, his production doesn't indicate him even being a 1st round selection let alone a #1 Wr in the NFL.

Kenny Britt finished the 2008 season averaging 114.3 yards recieving per game. That is the best of any other projected 1st round WR. For his career Britt has compiled an average of 96 receiving yards per game. That is second best among first round WRs, Crabtree-120 Rypg, Maclin-82Rypg, Nicks 77 Rypg and DHB-55 Rypg.

Britt averaged 7.3 catches a game. Compared to Crabtree 7.5 Maclin 7.3 Nicks 5.2 and DHB wasn't in the top 100. Averaging 7+ catches a game in a pro style offense is a great total for a WR. I take nothing away from Crabtree and Maclin, but again they played in pass happy offenses and most times were the first options. Also think about this, in the NFL playing 16 games if u average 7.4 catches at 114.3 per game, that would add up to 118.4 rec/1,829 yards. Those number are off the charts and would clearly indicate a #1 WR. Now will Britt be able to put up those exact numbers at the next level? No the competetion is much better on a weekly basis. My point of this is; compared to the guys that are projected to go ahead of him or in the same slot as him, his number translate to the NFL the best.

Britt is a playmaker, he is the type of guy that will give DCs and CBs problems because he just finds a way to get open. Many times people confuse a #1 WR with a "deep threat", well allow me to give my opinion of the difference between the 2. A deep threat is a guy that can strecth the field and can make a few highlight plays. However his overall stats and contribution to the team will be inconsistent. You will see games where he isn't a factor and goes catchless.

On the other hand a #1 WR is a guy that can be counted on no matter the postion on the field. He is the guy that you want to get the ball in his hands. He can have 7-11 catches in one game and make the defense pay all game. He is the guy that can command the double coverage taken pressure off the rest of the offense, but also can produce against the double coverage. He is a guy that can you can rely on to get u that important 1st down with the game on the line. He is the guy that DCs game plan agaist. He is the guy that can produce in any style offense. This is the kind of WR the Ravens need. Not just someone that u wanna see running post and go routes.

I beleive that Kenny Britt is that kind of player. In 30 of his 32 career games Britt has caught at least one pass of 15+ yards. Britt has averaged 17.0 yard per catch for his career and that is best of any other WR projected to go in round 1. I have heard about him being a Diva or having character issues, but i think that was just one mistake the kid made that was blown way out. Every thing i have read about the kid says he was a great leader, and even better teammate. I hear that the kid is very polite and is driven by family values and goals. I have followed his on field career for the past 2 seasons and i have to say i don't see Diva when i watch Britt.

All in all i think he is the kind of guy that Ozzie would love to draft and that Baltimore fans would be very proud of. He is a hard worker and seems to be a great kid. He is only 20 years old so he will get better in all aspect of his game. I've heard he is working with Rod Smith, so that will olny help him more. His name seems to get pushed to the back when talking about the better WR in this year's draft, but i think he could eventually be viewed as one of the best. The Ravens drafted Ray Rice last season, so i'm sure while they were in Jersey scouting Ray they noticed Kenny.

I think he is very much on the Ravens radar and would be a great guy to pair up with Joe Flacco for many years. I think Kenny Britt will be avalible at #26 and probably even the top of the 2nd round. However i think if the Ravens can't trade back into the 2nd, they would be more then happy to take Britt with #26. It would probably cause some fans and others to think Ozzie reached, but remember, the same was said last season about Flacco and we all know how that panned out.

So let me know what you think. agree or disagree? and let me know if this post maybe chances your opinion of Britt in any way.

[bce086]

This is a very well thought out post... You include some interesting numbers that I never knew.

I was mainly turned on to Britt because I think hell be a 2nd rounder (allowing us to go BPA 1st round) and his size and strength. I believe he had 23 reps in the benchpress at the combine which is great for a reciever.

[Ravens52]

I'd be fine with Nicks or Britt

[Ozzsome]

i agree with you that kenny britt is a good reciever and i would love to see him in black and purple
but i couldnt argue with nicks either

[purple52-92-20pain]

I really want britt, but the eagles FO are saying they want him....

[Moderator 9]

britt came into the combine at 6'2 7/8ths tall and weighed 218. not sure where you got your numbers from

[Lets_Go_Joe]

[quote name='Moderator9' post='167246' date='Mar 11 2009, 06:11 PM']britt came into the combine at 6'2 7/8ths tall and weighed 218. not sure where you got your numbers from[/quote]
He measured him in cleats

But I will be pleased with him at #26 overall. I want this guy, but I will be ok with Nicks..... not my favorite prospect but yeah. Britt is definitely in the lead of DHB Nicks in my opinion, just seems more like a #1 guy.

[RoflDogs]

Very nice post...

I would LOVE to have Britt as a raven

[futurerRaven]

Awesome stats nice post and great arguement I always thought britt was the better reciever than dhb and nicks although nicks isn't by any means as inconsistant as made out to be but britt does have all qualities you want from a WR plus he runs a 4.4 forty and that is pretty damn fast

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='futurerRaven' post='167371' date='Mar 12 2009, 12:01 AM']Awesome stats nice post and great arguement I always thought britt was the better reciever than dhb and nicks although nicks isn't by any means as inconsistant as made out to be but britt does have all qualities you want from a WR plus he runs a 4.4 forty and that is pretty damn fast[/quote]

Britt doesnt run a 4.4

[Lets_Go_Joe]

[quote name='BloodRaven' post='167405' date='Mar 12 2009, 03:55 AM']Britt doesnt run a 4.4[/quote]
He ran a 4.52 and Nicks ran a 4.49. 4.52 for a 6-3 guy is pretty good

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='Moderator9' post='167246' date='Mar 11 2009, 06:11 PM']britt came into the combine at 6'2 7/8ths tall and weighed 218. not sure where you got your numbers from[/quote]


So Britt measured im at closer to 6'3 then 6'4 my mistake, throughout his years in college he was always listed at 6'4 so forgive me for not posting his exact size.

With that being said him being listed at closer to 6'3 then 6'4, it doesn't change what the kid did on the field the last 3 seasons. Also just so nothing else is called into question, Britt jumped a 37" vertical, and i said he jumped 37.5 my mistake.



[quote]QUOTE (futurerRaven @ Mar 12 2009, 12:01 AM)
Awesome stats nice post and great arguement I always thought britt was the better reciever than dhb and nicks although nicks isn't by any means as inconsistant as made out to be but britt does have all qualities you want from a WR plus he runs a 4.4 forty and that is pretty damn fast


Britt doesnt run a 4.4[/quote]


If i'm not mistaken Britt ran a 4.48 and a 4.49 at the combine, so that is closer to a 4.5 which is plenty fast for him by the way. However i've read that Britt planned on running a sub 4.40 in the 4.38 range. That may be wishful thinkin on his part, but it will be interesting to see what he runs on the 23th at his pro day.

[futurerRaven]

im srry i was off by a tenth of a second it doesnt matter any way football speed is all that matters any way i wish the combine was in pads and the forty was like 40 yard go route

[Bullitt_711]

after crabtree maclin percy these receivers from what ive read and I as well believe aren't worthy of a 1st round pick. I'm fine with the OSU TE or Lauranitas. So many fall in love only with the 40 time, hes a great pick as late as the Ravewns are drafting. I'm hoping Percy, Lauranitas or Pettigot is there when the Ravens pick.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='Bullitt_711' post='167652' date='Mar 12 2009, 07:55 PM']after crabtree maclin percy these receivers from what ive read and I as well believe aren't worthy of a 1st round pick. I'm fine with the OSU TE or Lauranitas. So many fall in love only with the 40 time, hes a great pick as late as the Ravewns are drafting. I'm hoping Percy, Lauranitas or Pettigot is there when the Ravens pick.[/quote]

I completely disagree with that notion that after Crabtree maclin and Harvin, there is no other WR worthy of a first round selection. I think guys like Britt, Nicks, and maybe even Robiske are definately worthy of round 1 selections.

Harvin is a guy that would scare me. He scares me for a number of reasons. For 1 Florida WR never seem to translate to the NFL well. 2 he never ran a route tree in college, and finally i don't think he is a true WR, so therefor u will have to find a way for him to fit into the offense.

I don't think that we will have a shot at the TE. I think if he even gets close to our pick, he won't make it pass ATL. I like Lauranitas as a player and i think any LB would be good in the Ravens system. However i think a select of him is some over rated by the loss of Bart Scott. You would have to ask yourself if Lauranitas is any better then Gooden and McClain.

All in all i feel good about were we select. I ultimately think the Ravens will trade down from 26 into the top of round to. I think they will then trade back up into the middle of round 2. I think the Ravens will come away with 2 fine players like Kenny Britt and Alphonso Smith(may be wishful thinking), i think that would be a great 1st day

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='BloodRaven' post='167405' date='Mar 12 2009, 02:55 AM']Britt doesnt run a 4.4[/quote]

The thing I dont like is hes a long strider without top end speed, he has to run into defenders because he doesnt have the agility to avoid them. If I thought he could be the next Brandon Marshall then I would agree with taking him.

Keyshawn Johnson clone IMO.

[Moderator 9]

DHB's stock is on the rise. he's showing progress in his weakest areas. watch out for him

[jezzy]

britt should be the guy we target for good reasons but i also like robiskie in the late 2nd round people sleep on him hes tall fast and already polished route runner so i look for us to get 2 wr of quality who will impact our team right away

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='jezzy' post='168036' date='Mar 13 2009, 07:00 PM']britt should be the guy we target for good reasons but i also like robiskie in the late 2nd round people sleep on him hes tall fast and already polished route runner so i look for us to get 2 wr of quality who will impact our team right away[/quote]

Robiskie wouldn't be a bad selection at all. I like what he was able to do a OSU. I think he will be a great addition for any team that selects him. I like his size game speed and body control on his route running. I think coming in as a rookie he would be able to push Williams, Smith, and any other WR for the #3 spot for us.


[quote]Moderator9 Posted Today, 12:41 PM
DHB's stock is on the rise. he's showing progress in his weakest areas. watch out for him[/quote]

I think DHB's stock might just be on the rise, however i still don't think that warrants a first round select of him. I have no doubt that this kid is on the Ravens radar but, i don't think he would be our selection if avalible. As for him progressing on his weakest areas, i wouldn't go that far just yet. Remember at his pro day or any other workout, all u are doing is running routes vs air and catching balls. As a WR at any level you should be able to impress in that situation.

I will be more impressed with his progression, when he is competing against a solid CB, and is put in a situation where he has to read a defense for zone or man, and present himself to his QB on a consistent basis. Now i admit those questions won't be answered until camps and preseason, and for now teams just need a reason to draft the kid. I just can't really get over the lack of production for DHB in college, and everytime i see someone make a case for him, it seems like they make excuses for his lack of production. Much like Troy Williamson a few years back.

[Moderator 9]

i'm not a DHB fan, but i'm gonna disagree with you on this one.

college production as a WR is hard to gauge. too much dependency on the passing game. we all know MDs passing game was pretty bad. compare him to maclin, who was thrown the ball a TON. maclin has twice the catches, twice the yards, and twice the TDs. most of the top tier WRs had more receptions, and a good bit of that has to do with the passing game. but yes, that doesn't account for everything.

while i see your point about being able to play well in a pro-day, there's a whole other level to it. it gives scouts the chance to really put them under the microscope. it's even better than the combine because there are less players. DHB did a much better job running routes at his pro-day, which was better than at the combine, and much better than during the season.

while i'd wait to make a true assessment on him until after he's played a real game, i think DHB will end up being the 3rd WR taken in the draft and will probably go between 17-26. if i were a betting man, i'd say that the ravens would have to have another solid talent on the board at 26 to pass up on heyward-bey.

like i said, the kid is growing on me and from what i hear, he's growing on the ravens, too

[52Kia Kaha92]

Moderator 9 if maclin and DHB where on the board at 26 who would you pick

[Moderator 9]

maclin. i think the WRs break down something like this

Crabtree...Maclin.............DHB.Hakeem Nicks.....Kenny Britt....Brian Robiskie...Percy Harvin.......Derrick Williams.Juaquin Iglesias


the spaces represent how far apart i think they are in CURRENT talent.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='Moderator9' post='168140' date='Mar 14 2009, 12:31 AM']i'm not a DHB fan, but i'm gonna disagree with you on this one.

[b]college production as a WR is hard to gauge. too much dependency on the passing game. we all know MDs passing game was pretty bad. compare him to maclin, who was thrown the ball a TON. maclin has twice the catches, twice the yards, and twice the TDs. most of the top tier WRs had more receptions, and a good bit of that has to do with the passing game. but yes, that doesn't account for everything.[/b]

while i see your point about being able to play well in a pro-day, there's a whole other level to it. it gives scouts the chance to really put them under the microscope. it's even better than the combine because there are less players. DHB did a much better job running routes at his pro-day, which was better than at the combine, and much better than during the season.

while i'd wait to make a true assessment on him until after he's played a real game, i think DHB will end up being the 3rd WR taken in the draft and will probably go between 17-26. if i were a betting man, i'd say that the ravens would have to have another solid talent on the board at 26 to pass up on heyward-bey.

like i said, the kid is growing on me and from what i hear, he's growing on the ravens, too[/quote]

I agree with most of your post, althought i don't think the Ravens are as high on him as opposed to him being a local product so it would be a great story all around. Who knows, i sure don't, but in pass years the Ravens haven't been so quick to latch on a prospect(atleast publicly).

As far as his production in college. I don't buy the whole QB arguement. Yes Maryland had a less then stellar QB, but again, if u just look at the numbers Maryland was one of the better teams in the ACC at the QB position. However DHB was out performed by 8 of the 12 top WRs for teams in the ACC. Now does this mean the kid can't be a good NFL WR? No not at all. However in my opinion bringing up the lack of a good QB, as a arugement or lack thereof is just an excuse.

It wasn't like the kid was double coveraged much, and playing against less then superior talent he was a non factor many times. Now i don't wanna completely knock on the kid. While i don't feel that playing a UM is the reason for his lack of production, i don't think palying in that offense was a big help for him. He might have very well been one of the best WR in college football had he played for a pass happy team, but he didn't. I think the kid has a world of potential, and i think that he might be special in 3-4 years from now. I just don't think that at this point he is what the Ravens need.

As for his Pro day/private workout. I have no doubt that the Ravens can and will get a lot out of it. However, i'm not ready to get overly excited about him because he did what a WR is suppose to do. He ran good routes vs air. He caught the ball well vs air, now of course that is good as opposed to going out and proving u can't catch. His pro day and private workouts, are helping him put millions of dollars in his pocket, but it still doesn't make him any better as a WR then he was in his final game vs Nevada.

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='Moderator9' post='168147' date='Mar 14 2009, 12:47 AM']maclin. i think the WRs break down something like this

Crabtree...Maclin.............DHB.Hakeem Nicks.....Kenny Britt....Brian Robiskie...Percy Harvin.......Derrick Williams.Juaquin Iglesias


the spaces represent how far apart i think they are in CURRENT talent.[/quote]


i respect your opinion, but i would have to put percy harvin between maclin and DHB
and i feel pretty high on robiskie, besides harvin though, i agree with everything, and trust your judgement seen some of ur other posts really well informed too

[BloodRaven]

I dont like DHB or Maclin, I just dont see them getting away with those plays in the pros.

[markorad]

maclin, DHB, harvin, hicks, britt, robiske in that order. Unless we trade up, none of the these wideouts will be available by the end of round 2 and WE NEED wideouts with mason, clayton, and williams in the last year of their contracts.

[Reddawn36]

idk, i have some kind of thought that robiskie is going to land with us... if not w/ us than the falcons or raiders.... and i hope its not the last of the three

[Moderator 9]

i'm a big robiskie fan and would love to see him as a raven. he's an all-around quality WR that i dont' think you can miss on

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='Moderator9' post='169368' date='Mar 16 2009, 10:35 PM']i'm a big robiskie fan and would love to see him as a raven. he's an all-around quality WR that i dont' think you can miss on[/quote]

I would put Robiskie with Nicks and Crabtree as all round WRs who can fit any scheme.

[Reddawn36]

im just curious why no one has him as a late first rounder on nfl.com, only thing is if he makes it to second round teams will be savoring at the mouth for him, i read somewhere that al davis would like to take him, i'm sure atlanta would be in the hunt (his dad is the WR coach there) we should be in the hunt, philly would be; i honestly think he's better than DHB

uh oh, was that taboo to say that?