Should We Trade Mason?

[Tywithay]

Calvin Johnson may be more talented, but not better....TO has stone hands and is only getting older, Andre Johnson is on the list for sure, Reggie Wayne is great but he does have peyton manning throwing him the ball, if Boldin had Manning he'd be a better receiver than what he already is. Moss is great, Steve Smith is great, Fitzgerald is great, I might even throw Hines Ward on that top 8 list. I think Boldin is in the top 8 though Behind Moss, Fitzgerald, Smith, maybe Andre Johnson, wouldn't go much deeper than that, I'd say he's #5 or #6 easy. He has great hands, great blocking, and is the best run after catch receiver period.

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='3Zach21' post='167533' date='Mar 12 2009, 02:58 PM']Boldin a top 8 WR??? pshhhhhhhhhhh

i'll name 8 better in no particular order

1. Calvin Johnson
2. Andre Johnson
3. Steve Smith
4. Randy Moss
5. Larry Fitzgerald
6. Reggie Wayne
7. Terrell Owens
8. Plaxico Burress[/quote]

Name the 9th...Doesn't matter tho bcuz Anquan Boldin is better than both Reggie Wayne and Plaxico Burress.

Listing those 8 to suggest Boldin isn't a premier WR is like saying a Rolles Royce isn't in the same class as a:

1.) Dodge Viper
2.) Bentley
3.) Ferrari
4.) Lamborghini
5.) Porsche
6.) Maybach
7.) Aston Martin
8.) Mercedes Benz

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='3Zach21' post='167533' date='Mar 12 2009, 02:58 PM']Saying we should trade for Boldin IS LIKE saying we should trade for any other WR. [b]Boldin isn't going anywhere![/b][/quote]
[url="http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/12/cardinals-shopping-boldin/"]Click ME[/url]

I love your certainty!

[bscott57]

[quote name='3Zach21' post='167533' date='Mar 12 2009, 02:58 PM']Boldin a top 8 WR??? pshhhhhhhhhhh

i'll name 8 better in no particular order

1. Calvin Johnson
2. Andre Johnson
3. Steve Smith
4. Randy Moss
5. Larry Fitzgerald
6. Reggie Wayne
7. Terrell Owens
8. Plaxico Burress

Saying we should trade for Boldin IS LIKE saying we should trade for any other WR. Boldin isn't going anywhere![/quote]

Reggie Wayne? Plaxico? Tell me who started for the NFC in the Pro-Bowl? Was it TO? Steve Smith? Plax?

[bscott57]

[quote name='neepo13' post='167279' date='Mar 11 2009, 07:21 PM']Please read the entire post again and slowly this time. The point of it went way over your head.




It has nothing to do with his value to the Cardinals or who, out of him and Fitz, is the better reciever. My point is that Boldin had his opportunity to negotiate with the Cardinals when he signed the deal that he signed in 2006. He cant hate on Fitzgerald and Warner because they got their opportunity to negotiate with the Cardinals and were able to land a larger contract. If he didnt like the deal that was laid out in front of him when he originally signed his extenstion, he shouldnt have signed it. If you make a committment you honor it, whether the market value for your position increases or not.

And finally, his wanting out of Arizona,right now, has nothing to do with his not being paid as a top wr. He's angry because he felt that the organization promised him another extenstion and then backed off on that promise. That I can understand but thats not what the person I was replying to said.[/quote]

To quote the article about Boldin being shopped.

"With teammate Larry Fitzgerald at $10 million per year, Boldin is believed to want at least $9 million annually"

Ummm. Enough said?

[kash96ravenstotalfan]

[quote name='Alexir' post='167083' date='Mar 11 2009, 01:06 PM']Mason is unhappy with his current contract and wants an extentsion. Should we trade him and a 2nd round pick for the disgruntled Boldin and maybe a corner like Ralph Brown, just for depth.[/quote]
Mason has earned an extension, and probably a pay increase for several reasons. He is the ultimate team player. He played last season with a serious injury, I felt his pain many times last season. He is Joe's "go to" guy (not sure why, but he def is). He plays "younger" than his age. He could def mentor a rookie for at least one year. His stalwart play last year earned him the right to retire a Raven, IMO

[Zestyman]

Trade him and get the best you can for him. He really should retire before he hurts himself badly.

[PurpleandBlackBlood]

you wont get much for mason... he is getting up there age-wise.. i think it might be better to see him retire a raven.. however i can easily see him getting traded with samari rolle to somewhere as sometype of package if samari doesnt get cut... but it looks like he is going to be so idk..

[darklight1216]

Mason isn't really trade bait at his age. After what he did last season, especially when he was injured, I just want to see him retire a Raven. He's obviously still performing well, I mean just think about what the year would have looked like if Joe could only throw to the likes of Clayton and Heap. Not that their bad, but still...

[PurpleandBlackBlood]

[quote name='darklight1216' post='168473' date='Mar 15 2009, 12:06 AM']Mason isn't really trade bait at his age. After what he did last season, especially when he was injured, I just want to see him retire a Raven. He's obviously still performing well, I mean just think about what the year would have looked like if Joe could only throw to the likes of Clayton and Heap. Not that their bad, but still...[/quote]


your rite.. and i would much rather have mason retire a raven.. but im just praying that heap picks up his effectiveness this season.. i know cam hasn't been instituting him as much but when he did it seemed like Todd was dropping alot of passes..

[darklight1216]

[quote name='PurpleandBlackBlood' post='168478' date='Mar 15 2009, 12:09 AM']your rite.. and i would much rather have mason retire a raven.. but im just praying that heap picks up his effectiveness this season.. i know cam hasn't been instituting him as much but when he did it seemed like Todd was dropping alot of passes..[/quote]

Yeah, but at least he had his moments in the playoffs. That catch against the Titans was sweet. Clayton though, he seems like he should be really good, I'm not sure what his deal is; the one armed man had twice as many receptions as he did.

[PurpleandBlackBlood]

[quote name='darklight1216' post='168481' date='Mar 15 2009, 12:12 AM']Yeah, but at least he had his moments in the playoffs. That catch against the Titans was sweet. Clayton though, he seems like he should be really good, I'm not sure what his deal is; the one armed man had twice as many receptions as he did.[/quote]
clayton is really inconsistent thats the one bad thing about him... hes great when he isnt in a slump but hey when he is dont even think about throwing to him because catch percentage depletes at times..

[slugz1]

[quote name='bscott57' post='167570' date='Mar 12 2009, 04:37 PM']Reggie Wayne? Plaxico? Tell me who started for the NFC in the Pro-Bowl? Was it TO? Steve Smith? Plax?[/quote]
pro bowl dont mean <[i]bleep[/i]> many ppl that deserved it didnt make it like gaither shutdown every elite pass rusher there was and he got no recognition. Gaither was better than all the probowl LT's so whats ya point.

[slugz1]

[quote name='darklight1216' post='168473' date='Mar 15 2009, 12:06 AM']Mason isn't really trade bait at his age. After what he did last season, especially when he was injured, I just want to see him retire a Raven. He's obviously still performing well, I mean just think about what the year would have looked like if Joe could only throw to the likes of Clayton and Heap. Not that their bad, but still...[/quote]
mason isnt all thatwe can get a WR to do what mason does.

[mhead66]

[quote name='slugz1' post='169010' date='Mar 15 2009, 11:58 PM']mason isnt all thatwe can get a WR to do what mason does.[/quote]
Mason has gotten 1000 yards in 7 of the last 8 seasons. He had 80/1037 last year, 103/1087 in '07. He may not be Randy Moss, but he's an ELITE WR - and, even though he's 35, he's still very productive.

You can't just "get a WR" to do what Mason does - not without luck, in the FIRST round of the draft.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='mhead66' post='169122' date='Mar 16 2009, 01:22 PM']You can't just "get a WR" to do what Mason does - not without luck, in the FIRST round of the draft.[/quote]
That's very true. If you look at some of the more productive receivers in the NFL, they weren't all first-round picks.

Anquan Boldin? 2nd round pick.
Steve Smith? 3rd round pick.
Greg Jennings? 2nd round pick.
Brandon Marshall? 4th round pick.
Wes Welker? Undrafted.
T.J. Houshmandzadeh? 7th round pick.

Granted, for every one of those players, there's a 1st-round success in guys like Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, Torry Holt, Reggie Wayne, etc. -- but production always takes time. If this team is really ready to win now, then there's no time to develop a WR along with Flacco and pray that they have immediate success, especially if Mason doesn't get his extension and chooses to walk away.

That's why I've resigned myself to the idea of bringing in a veteran #2 like Torry Holt as a short-term insurance policy until the WR taken in the draft is ready to step up. On the same token, to clarify my earlier remark, selecting a WR with the #1 pick doesn't guarantee that they'll pan out or will be any better than a WR taken in the 2nd or 3rd round.

[slugz1]

[quote name='Troy SmiTH Xx' post='167232' date='Mar 11 2009, 05:43 PM']I'm tired of all the wishful thinking about getting Boldin. It's not going to happen.

And No, trading Mason in a unintelligent idea.[/quote]
why u say that we can live without mason hes not all that .

[slugz1]

[quote name='mhead66' post='169122' date='Mar 16 2009, 01:22 PM']Mason has gotten 1000 yards in 7 of the last 8 seasons. He had 80/1037 last year, 103/1087 in '07. He may not be Randy Moss, but he's an ELITE WR - and, even though he's 35, he's still very productive.

You can't just "get a WR" to do what Mason does - not without luck, in the FIRST round of the draft.[/quote]
i never even mention the draft in my statement chill. we can pick up holt and he can do what mason does so i dont care too much about him. If anything i think hes holding us back on most rosters mason would be a third wideout not the starter.

[slugz1]

[quote name='mhead66' post='169122' date='Mar 16 2009, 01:22 PM']Mason has gotten 1000 yards in 7 of the last 8 seasons. He had 80/1037 last year, 103/1087 in '07. He may not be Randy Moss, but he's an ELITE WR - and, even though he's 35, he's still very productive.

You can't just "get a WR" to do what Mason does - not without luck, in the FIRST round of the draft.[/quote]
no we can get a WR that does more than mason. Reaplce masonwith boldin add holt and we are super bowl bound.

[jezzy]

why does everyone think the cards are just going to give boldin away so cheap hes prob top 5 wr in the game and he did have a 1,000 yards his rookie year were not getting him unless its a 1st n 3rd pick there not taken old wrs like mason n were def not giving them heap so its just not going to happen were gonna find our big play wr in the draft this year is the best wr class in a while n ozzie will take full advantage of it i think he brings in a couple weapons for the offense this year from the draft

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='slugz1' post='169140' date='Mar 16 2009, 02:05 PM']i never even mention the draft in my statement chill. we can pick up holt and he can do what mason does so i dont care too much about him. If anything i think hes holding us back on most rosters mason would be a third wideout not the starter.[/quote]
That's hard to say. The teams that I can think of that would have Mason as the #1 or #2 WR (based on their current receiving corps):

Dolphins
Bengals
Browns
Jaguars
Titans
Chiefs
Raiders
Cowboys
Giants
Eagles
Redskins
Bears
Lions
Vikings
Falcons
Panthers
Rams
49ers

And even narrowing that list down to just teams that would have Mason as their #1 only, then that'd still be a decent number. Calling Mason a #3 wideout is sort of a slap in the face for all he's done for this team.

[slugz1]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' post='169144' date='Mar 16 2009, 02:11 PM']That's hard to say. The teams that I can think of that would have Mason as the #1 or #2 WR (based on their current receiving corps):

Dolphins
Bengals
Browns
Jaguars
Titans
Chiefs
Raiders
Cowboys
Giants
Eagles
Redskins
Bears
Lions
Vikings
Falcons
Panthers
Rams
49ers

And even narrowing that list down to just teams that would have Mason as their #1 only, then that'd still be a decent number. Calling Mason a #3 wideout is sort of a slap in the face for all he's done for this team.[/quote]
i dont care about your statement mason is replaceable so piss off. Yall will tarde willis b4 mason. please dont say nothing to me.

[mhead66]

[quote name='slugz1' post='169141' date='Mar 16 2009, 02:06 PM']no we can get a WR that does more than mason. Reaplce masonwith boldin add holt and we are super bowl bound.[/quote]


Holt was scheduled to make $8 million. Boldin wants $9-10 million - "Fitzgerald" money, is how he put it. Mason is scheduled to make $3 million. And the Ravens are only $2 million under the salary cap.

The WRs you want would want $17 million. That would cost the Ravens an additional $14 million to get them. How many starters would you release to get them?

Also, Chris Mortensen just said, on ESPN, that the Cards would want at least a 1st and a 3rd round pick for Boldin. Plus, the Ravens must compete with 30 other teams (other than the Rams) for Holt.

Dreaming of an All-Pro WR duo is great, but it's unrealistic. If the Jets had Peyton Manning, Adrian Peterson, Ed Reed, Randy Moss and DeMarcus Ware, they'd be SuperBowl contenders... but they don't, and won't.

The Ravens have a very talented WR in Derrick Mason. He was 16th in the NFL in receptions this year, 4th in the NFL last year. Why do you want to dump him so badly, when he's not that expensive? Holt would cost almost 3X as much as Mason. He's not worth it...

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='slugz1' post='169145' date='Mar 16 2009, 02:16 PM']i dont care about your statement mason is replaceable so piss off. Yall will tarde willis b4 mason. please dont say nothing to me.[/quote]
Of the top 31 receivers ranked by yardage last season minus Mason (he was ranked 17th), 13 teams (not including Baltimore) had only ONE receiver in that range. I think it's a safe assumption that those 13 teams would be happy with Mason's production as a #2 (or even #1 receiver).

There were 8 teams, however, that had more than one receiver in that top 32 list. If we're still basing this entire discussion on production, then in theory, 24 of 32 teams would be happy with Mason as their #1 or #2 receiver if they can't place more than 1 receiver in that top 32 ranking in yardage.

Granted, I'm just generalizing and there are other variables at work, but my point is, Mason is still valuable. He might be replaceable because of his age, but his production is difficult to sneer at when there's other, needier teams in the league who would kill to have someone with Mason's statistical consistency.

[mhead66]

[quote name='slugz1' post='169140' date='Mar 16 2009, 02:05 PM']i never even mention the draft in my statement chill. we can pick up holt and he can do what mason does so i dont care too much about him. If anything i think hes holding us back [b]on most rosters mason would be a third wideout not the starter[/b].[/quote]
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Mason was 4th in the NFL in receiving in '07, 16th in '08. He's had 1000 yards in 7 of his last 8 seasons.

On [b]most[/b] rosters, they have TWO WRs that have better stats than Mason? Name three - I can think of NE and Arizona...

[Marc2k6]

[quote name='slugz1' post='169140' date='Mar 16 2009, 02:05 PM']i never even mention the draft in my statement chill. we can pick up holt and he can do what mason does so i dont care too much about him. If anything i think hes holding us back on most rosters mason would be a third wideout not the starter.[/quote]
Mason holding the Raven's back? No! Mason has been rock solid, if he was not able to do what he has done, then who would have stepped up to do it? We still need another WR as well as the ones we have need to step their games up!

[Raven07]

i dont think we should trade our number one reciever for someone whom can or could be potentially asking for TOO much money, i think sticking with the man we have right now is the ideal thing to do on both sides (Ravens and Mason). Mason has led the Team over in total receptions over the last 2-3 years/seasons and (as we all saw from last season) the connection that was established last season we saw so so often, would not entirely be there and would have to be "re-made" with another new reciever(s). Besides the fact that we wont get Top dollar value for mason even though he's our "top" reciever thus far, no matter how much we wish for it.

He's the ideal canadiate to help get this team where it needs to be in the passing/recieving game and help mentor the younger guys on the team to become and play the position the right way (how to run, adjust, when to look, when to juke........ all those reciever aspects that are so so crucial to every recieving core... Mason could provide that and much of what cant be taught (only the player to player relationship can teach). Sometimes the younger guys that may come to a particular team, may go about doing certain things the so call "wrong way" and have no clue what to do or how to do things, but when you have a veteran, proven, Pro Bowl type buy in Mason guiding them down the right path, you can rest assure that they're being led down the right path...towards every palyers individual goals. Every play has their own mental set of goals they want to try to achieve once drafted, and often times having that veteran leadership helps ensure that the younger type guys learn and do the things, the right way instead of the wrong way. having all those older veterans around the rookies and/or younger guys, could proove to be a little bit intimidating, having someone there to calm them down and just be there for them like mason has for us over the past 4-5 seasons.... would also be a key aspect to keep in mind.

potentially have guys brought in like Heyward-bey, or Nicks or someone of that nature, certainly have the talent to strive to be the best out there and/or contribute the most they can every play, every down, every game, every year and could prove to be key aspects offensively down the road but first things first here, if they dont have that veteran leadership to guide them..... who knows how they'll turn out.....

by not Trading Mason, that ensures the leadership (especially reciever wise) in knowing what to do and how to do it. and thus meaning we have security at the positon for some time to come

[Reed_4_President]

[quote name='Alexir' post='167083' date='Mar 11 2009, 01:06 PM']Mason is unhappy with his current contract and wants an extentsion. Should we trade him and a 2nd round pick for the disgruntled Boldin and maybe a corner like Ralph Brown, just for depth.[/quote]
Hell naw.. Mason plays hurt Boldin if he had the injury Mason did he woulda sat the bench collecting free money.. Their are not many WR's left like mason who will play hurt or not he is a GREAT guy and PLAYER and a rare breeed of a WR.