Should We Trade Mason?

[Alexir]

Mason is unhappy with his current contract and wants an extentsion. Should we trade him and a 2nd round pick for the disgruntled Boldin and maybe a corner like Ralph Brown, just for depth.

[ryan23945]

boldin for a second rounder and mason, i like boldin, but not a team guy, who knows...

[Alexir]

I think he would fit in fine under Cam Cameron's offense. I just think Mason needs to get serious and realize he probably doesnt have 3 years left in him. No one is going after Marvin Harrison right now and he was one of the best...that says something

[justifythegame]

[quote name='Alexir' post='167087' date='Mar 11 2009, 01:14 PM']I think he would fit in fine under Cam Cameron's offense. I just think Mason needs to get serious and realize he probably doesnt have 3 years left in him. No one is going after Marvin Harrison right now and he was one of the best...that says something[/quote]
marvin harrison sucked for 2 years and injury prone. thats a terrible example because mason has been the opposite.

[Alexir]

Mason wasnt injured back in 2007? Mason didnt dislocate his shoulder last year?

I know he played threw the pain and he played well but you have to consider these things when it comes down to extensions. I just don't see us giving him an extenstion it work hurt the team in the long run. Give Clayton the 1st slot and let Williams and a 1st round WR (if we go down that road) compete for the 2nd slot.

[ravensfan160]

I'm sorry but thats crazy talk. Even if mathmatically its a reasonable deal I wouldn't go for it. He may be no TO but Boldin has proven this year he is not a team player. Meanwhile, Mason has been invaluable to us. Remember all those years where free agent receivers refused to come here because of our offense but Mason did and has been the only thing we could rely on. How about him playing with one arm for much of the second half of the season and catching that game winning touchdown against the Cowboys?

Boldin comes off as a greedy me first player like a lot of other receivers out there. I'd rather have Mason.

[Alexir]

I'm not saying Mason isn't a warrior but I dont want to give him a 3 year deal and having a 38 year old getting embarassed out there. For example, I love Matt Stover and what hes done for us but we have to move on. The reason no free agents wanted to come over here was because we didn't have an offense and Mason didnt really have many options.

Please give me some examples of Boldin's "TO Attitude" because I have never seen or read it. If he isnt such a team player why is warner begging the front office to sign him....

[3Zach21]

I'm just wondering what everyone's deal is with Boldin?!?!

If we were to trade we should go for like a (I know this wouldn't work , but either would the Boldin deal) Calvin or Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Randy Moss , Steve Smith

[Alexir]

[quote name='3Zach21' post='167100' date='Mar 11 2009, 01:39 PM']I'm just wondering what everyone's deal is with Boldin?!?!

If we were to trade we should go for like a (I know this wouldn't work , but either would the Boldin deal) Calvin or Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Randy Moss , Steve Smith[/quote]

The reason we would go for Boldin is because BOLDIN wants a trade....

Dont really think Calvin, Andre, Larry, Randy or Steve are asking for a trade....

Obviously these are better recievers but they are good where they are at.

[3Zach21]

[quote name='Alexir' post='167102' date='Mar 11 2009, 01:42 PM']The reason we would go for Boldin is because BOLDIN wants a trade....

Dont really think Calvin, Andre, Larry, Randy or Steve are asking for a trade....

Obviously these are better recievers but they are good where they are at.[/quote]

I know they don't want one, the point I was trying to make is Boldin is still in Arizona and hasn't expressed recently that he wasn't a trade. Don't you think Boldin would be more vocal and we would hear some news if he really wanted a trade.

[Mahatma_Sloth]

I think we would have to go for this cuz its the only way were gonna get first round tallent in B-More this year. This WR draft class only has 2 first rounders at most.... oh and DHB is vastly overrated, I dont mind speed but we already have plenty of fast guys that cant catch the ball

[neepo13]

There is no way Arizona takes that. And frankly, if we trade for Boldin we are going to have to pay him twice as much as we would pay Mason, if we give him an extenstion. If avoiding giving Mason an extenstion is the reason to trade him, trading him for Boldin isnt going to make the situation any easier. What is the obsession with Boldin anyway? ith our t or 2nd round pick we could pick up a guy who could grow with Flacco and be apart of this team for 10 years or more. Why trade for a guy who has an issue with injuries, will be 30 next year, and is going to be around 4 or 5 years tops? Its not worth it.

[theFRANCHISE]

The problem is, I don't think the Cardinals (or any team) would bite on Derrick Mason as trade bait, draft pick or no draft pick attached. Another example of age discrimination in the NFL, unfortunately -- but there's some basis for it. Mason, despite his remarks to the contrary, is coming off a pretty bad injury. Additionally, to give up a long-term solution like Anquan Boldin in exchange for a short-term solution like Mason wouldn't make good business sense for the Cardinals, despite the presence of Larry Fitzgerald and Steve Breaston. Breaston may not be a solid #2 despite being a great #3, and there's no guarantee that Mason will be able to fill that vacant #2 slot well for Arizona with having to learn a new playbook two seasons in a row.

As for Boldin's "selfishness" -- how many times has Boldin had an outburst before? How many times has Boldin used the media to his advantage like T.O. or Chad Johnson or any other "selfish" player? Boldin may be disgruntled because he wants more money despite already commanding a high salary, but it's simply business. Just like Larry Fitzgerald's contract extension was business.

There may be better receivers out there, but none more accessible and with such a high level of play than Boldin in this current offseason market.

[Alexir]

Boldin's Agent has been vocal for him. Saying Boldin will be an ex-Card by July. Realistically it wont happen, I agree. I just hope we can get something good from the draft before Mason's year contract is up. Draft is always crazy though because I remember Brady Quinn was suppose to go top Ten and he was sitting there for a while. So it is very Possible to get a Percy Harvin, Jeremey Maclin or DHB.

[Alexir]

Also Boldin is so pissed because Fitzgerald got a contract extension last season and he didn't see a time even though Boldin had 1 less Touchdown as Fitz even though he missed 2 games due to injury.

[bigZ2222]

all products of a system

[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='Alexir' post='167112' date='Mar 11 2009, 11:53 AM']Boldin's Agent has been vocal for him. Saying Boldin will be an ex-Card by July. Realistically it wont happen, I agree. I just hope we can get something good from the draft before Mason's year contract is up. Draft is always crazy though because I remember Brady Quinn was suppose to go top Ten and he was sitting there for a while. So it is very Possible to get a Percy Harvin, Jeremey Maclin or DHB.[/quote]
MARK MY WORDS..... WE WILL NOT GO WR IN THE FIRST

[travis]

i dont think we should he wants to be here to finish his career off and he did so much for us last year

[mhead66]

[quote name='Alexir' post='167112' date='Mar 11 2009, 01:53 PM']Boldin's Agent has been vocal for him. Saying Boldin will be [b]an ex-Card by July[/b]. Realistically it wont happen, I agree. I just hope we can get something good from the draft before Mason's year contract is up. Draft is always crazy though because I remember Brady Quinn was suppose to go top Ten and he was sitting there for a while. So it is very Possible to get a Percy Harvin, Jeremey Maclin or DHB.[/quote]

You may be right.

According to Peter King, yesterday:

"The Eagles and Giants, two receiver-needy teams, are in position to deal for Anquan Boldin, who I continue to say will not be a Cardinal by July. Philly has 21, 28 and 53, the Giants 29, 45 and 60. I find it hard to believe the Eagles won't trade for Boldin. Very hard. He's a perfect fit, and they've got the cap room to sign him."

[url="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/03/10/mailbag/index.html?eref=si_nfl"]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writ...tml?eref=si_nfl[/url]

Do the Ravens have the cap room to sign him, if they trade for him? He wants "Fitzgerald" money, and Fitz will make $11 Mil/yr the next 2 years...

[RavensIQ]

Boldin not a team guy? He is the [u]TEAM CAPTAIN[/u] for the Arizona Cardinals!!

I find it funny how many people of late are convinced Boldin is a bad teammate just bcuz he wants to be paid like a premier WR. Last time I checked, he's a premier WR!

Boldin is the IDEAL fit for the Baltimore Ravens. He walks like a Raven, talks like a Raven, he's big, physical, and athletic like a Raven, he blocks like a Raven, makes plays like a Raven. Everything about his game screams BALTIMORE RAVENS.

If Anquan Boldin is on our team next year and somehow we manage to keep Mason, we will have one of the most fiercest, most brutal, smash mouth, grind it out type of offense in the entire league. I'm talking about absolutely frightening; scary good! You guys just don't even know...

I'll take Boldin in a heartbeat over any 2 WRs in this draft. Boldin is that good.

Mason + a draft pick for Boldin...HELL YEAH!!!

Boldin/Clayton/Williams = top 5 WR corps.

[1/28/01]

I think we should trade all of bench guys for the best players in the NFL.

Also, we should trade our #26 spot for the 1, 2, 3 and 4 spot in this years draft!

[travis]

honestly i would rather have Larry Fitzgerald or calvin johnson

[1/28/01]

[quote name='travis' post='167141' date='Mar 11 2009, 01:38 PM']honestly i would rather have Larry Fitzgerald or calvin johnson[/quote]

of course, who wouldnt?

Its not a matter of who we WANT.....its who we CAN get

[mhead66]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='167139' date='Mar 11 2009, 02:36 PM']Boldin not a team guy? He is the [u]TEAM CAPTAIN[/u] for the Arizona Cardinals!!

I find it funny how many people of late are convinced Boldin is a bad teammate just bcuz he wants to be paid like a premier WR. Last time I checked, he's a premier WR!

Boldin is the IDEAL fit for the Baltimore Ravens. He walks like a Raven, talks like a Raven, he's big, physical, and athletic like a Raven, he blocks like a Raven, makes plays like a Raven. Everything about his game screams BALTIMORE RAVENS.

If Anquan Boldin is on our team next year and somehow we manage to keep Mason, we will have one of the most fiercest, most brutal, smash mouth, grind it out type of offense in the entire league. I'm talking about absolutely frightening; scary good! You guys just don't even know...

I'll take Boldin in a heartbeat over any 2 WRs in this draft. Boldin is that good.

Mason + a draft pick for Boldin...HELL YEAH!!!

Boldin/Clayton/Williams = top 5 WR corps.[/quote]

Boldin IS a great WR... and would be a huge gain for the Ravens.

But compare Boldin to Warner.

Warner is willing to sacrifice some of his money to sign Boldin. He didn't say he would defer his money, to receive the same amount in later years. He said he would take 2 million less.

Boldin has been with the Cards for 6 years. This is the 4th time he's publicly complained about his contract.

Compare the two players, and their attitudes.

Boldin is excellent, but he could be a headache...

[GermanRavensFan]

Be realistic. Boldin will never be here.

Our Pass offense isnt struggling because of our receivers. A great receiver would be an improvement, but he would not transform it into a TOP 5 Pass-O. There are several factors.

If Boldin would come here, he would defenitely not have the numbers he wants to have -> distraction.

[bscott57]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='167139' date='Mar 11 2009, 02:36 PM']Boldin not a team guy? He is the [u]TEAM CAPTAIN[/u] for the Arizona Cardinals!!

I find it funny how many people of late are convinced Boldin is a bad teammate just bcuz he wants to be paid like a premier WR. Last time I checked, he's a premier WR!

Boldin is the IDEAL fit for the Baltimore Ravens. He walks like a Raven, talks like a Raven, he's big, physical, and athletic like a Raven, he blocks like a Raven, makes plays like a Raven. Everything about his game screams BALTIMORE RAVENS.

If Anquan Boldin is on our team next year and somehow we manage to keep Mason, we will have one of the most fiercest, most brutal, smash mouth, grind it out type of offense in the entire league. I'm talking about absolutely frightening; scary good! You guys just don't even know...

I'll take Boldin in a heartbeat over any 2 WRs in this draft. Boldin is that good.

Mason + a draft pick for Boldin...HELL YEAH!!!

Boldin/Clayton/Williams = top 5 WR corps.[/quote]


Thank you, someone with a clue.

Because reading people talk about how we should go after Calvin and Andre Johnson, Randy Moss and Steve Smith was making me think I had begun to lose my mind. Lets be realistic here people, thats like being a Vikings fan and saying lets go get Tom Brady, Peyton Manning....

[Tywithay]

If you think for even one minute we would be able to trade Mason and anything for Anquan Boldin you picked a bad day to stop snorting cocaine and drinking jack daniels. This deal absolutely will not happen. Cardinals aren't going to take on an aging receiver that wants a longer contract, they're low on cap as it is. Not without giving up a first rounder anyway. I agree with the majority, Boldin would be AWESOME on the ravens, he's ideal for flacco's big arm over the middle and his run after catch is amazing, there's just no way to deal for him with our cap that would be beneficial. I basically agree with Peter King, Eagles are the best bet. They have cap, proven winning enviroment, and Boldin would compliment Desean Jackson very well with a burner on one side and possesion on the other. I wish it would work out for us and we'd see him in purple, just won't happen.

[edreedfromtheu]

[color="#FF0000"][size=5][font="Comic Sans MS"]MAYBE THE CARDINALS ARE NOT TRADING BOLDIN, AND EVERYONE SHOULD STOP MAKING RIDICULOUS THREADS LIKE THIS ONE![/size]


Look, Chad Johnson had every reason in the world to just sit out last year and force the Bengals to trade him. They were horrible, he is well-off financially, and he was being blamed for their losing. If he ended up not sitting out, then you can believe that Boldin(a guy on a team that went to the Super Bowl, a team that is very young and in a horrible division where they can make another run easily, and his teammates actually like him) is going to play. He might sit out some of camp, but does that really matter? Stay a little fresher, so what. He's not going to miss regular season games because of this... even if they don't get a deal done.[/font][/color]

[WACKO4FLACC0]

[quote name='Alexir' post='167083' date='Mar 11 2009, 12:06 PM']Mason is unhappy with his current contract and wants an extentsion. Should we trade him and a 2nd round pick for the disgruntled Boldin and maybe a corner like Ralph Brown, just for depth.[/quote]
Why would the Cards want a guy who [b]could[/b] (not will) retire next year.

[mhead66]

[quote name='GermanRavensFan' post='167151' date='Mar 11 2009, 02:58 PM']Be realistic. Boldin will never be here.

Our Pass offense isnt struggling because of our receivers. A great receiver would be an improvement, but he would not transform it into a TOP 5 Pass-O. There are several factors.

If Boldin would come here, [b]he would defenitely not have the numbers he wants to have [/b]-> distraction.[/quote]
Good point.

The Ravens' system would not, IMHO, permit him to have the success that he had with the Cards under Warner. They had three 1000 yard receivers this year, in their pass happy offense. It's like Moss & Welker at NE... Moss, at Oakland, heard whispers that he was fading, and Welker was "okay" in Miami.

Moss arrives in NE, and gets 23 TDs his first year. He'd had 3 the previous year in Oakland.
Welker gets 111 & 112 catches in NE the last 2 years. He didn't have 100 in his 4 year career before NE.

They thrived in a passing offense. The Ravens are a running offense, and it works. Boldin would definitely upgrade the recieving corps, but the Ravens will not turn into NE if they get Boldin - nor do they want to...