Terrel Owens Just Cut!

[52Kia Kaha92]

heap is under contract for the next few years

ANyway on TO well ozzie didnt say yes or now ehen asked if hed go after him he just said that T hasnt really been released so he cant comment, now IMO that means he is because if he isnt then he would of just said no

He also said he wants to fill all our needs before the draft so we can pick BPA, we have a hole at WR so does that mean TO is the Awnser

Who knows, im iffy on it, if it is for 1 or 2 years for about 4-5 mil per season i could live with it

[rlh445]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' post='164559' date='Mar 5 2009, 10:41 AM']Larry Fitzgerald in that same three-year span, on the other hand, posted 265 catches for 3,786 yards and 28 touchdowns in 44 games. And that was with Anquan Boldin on the other side of the field, as well -- imagine if Fitzgerald was without Boldin or Steve Breaston, taking away from his catches.[/quote]


The only problem I see with your post is this, Franchise. If Fitz was without Boldin and Breaston, I can almost guarantee he wouldn't be as productive. Having not one but THREE great wide receivers really puts the pressure on opposing defenses and forces them to choose who to cover. Fitz and Boldin are equal in speed, with Breaston beating them both out by a little. Fitz has the best hands, and Boldin has the most strength. I can't imagine being the secondary of a team and having to draw straws as to who to cover. Without those other guys, Fitz would be doubled every down without question, kind of like Mason here. But since Fitz isn't the only threat on the field, that isn't always an option. Other then that, I can agree with your post. Although I cannot say that having T.O. here would certainly be interesting....and he IS a talent, albeit a troubled one.

[20ReedsAll]

[quote name='rlh445' post='165067' date='Mar 5 2009, 11:14 PM']The only problem I see with your post is this, Franchise. If Fitz was without Boldin and Breaston, I can almost guarantee he wouldn't be as productive. Having not one but THREE great wide receivers really puts the pressure on opposing defenses and forces them to choose who to cover. Fitz and Boldin are equal in speed, with Breaston beating them both out by a little. Fitz has the best hands, and Boldin has the most strength. I can't imagine being the secondary of a team and having to draw straws as to who to cover. Without those other guys, Fitz would be doubled every down without question, kind of like Mason here. But since Fitz isn't the only threat on the field, that isn't always an option. Other then that, I can agree with your post. Although I cannot say that having T.O. here would certainly be interesting....and he IS a talent, albeit a troubled one.[/quote]

I'm guessing you havnt seen the highlight reel catches of Fitz out jumping defenders in double/tripple coverage like it's a walk in the park. Fitzgerald would do fine w/out Boldin; Boldin would struggle a bit w/out Fitz.

As far as TO goes, just as I thought pre-free agency, the ravens are adding depth to the CB position in free agency. Because we got foxworth, I see us taking a WR in the first. Mark my words, the Ravens will get either DHB, Maclin, or Nicks in the first, somehow, someway.

[flynismo]

[quote name='20ReedsAll' post='165068' date='Mar 5 2009, 11:20 PM']Fitzgerald would do fine w/out Boldin; Boldin would struggle a bit w/out Fitz.[/quote]

Boldin was a stud while Fitz was in college. He doesn't need Fitz in order to be the elite wr that he is.

Both of these guys are elite players who benefit from the other, but do not need the other to be successful.

[rlh445]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='164747' date='Mar 5 2009, 01:09 PM']Is it safe to say I'm obsessed with the Ravens bringing in a #1 WR for Joe Flacco? Hmmm...I wonder? Why on earth would I want the Ravens to improve their passing game?? Confusing stuff man. I'm a lil concerned now bcuz I've become flabbergasted by my own ambitions.

3Zach21 I need your wisdom to help me make things clear in my tiny lil brain. Oh master of thought and creator of truth. Won't you make it clear!!!!????? For God's sake man, MAKE IT CLEAR!!![/quote]


Heh..IQ, when I first started posting regularly, I always seemed to end up arguing with you. But since I have been here, although we have disagreed I must say that our line of thinking sometimes meshes. I am not gushing about T.O., but like you I recognize his immense talent, 35 or no..and I actually wouldn't mind seeing the Ravens give him a one year deal to see what he has left. He does keep himself in excellent condition and Hell, we need a damn receiver. His antics I have never approved of, and yet that is T.O..what you see is what you get. And for all his goofy stuff, he is still an excellent receiver. It is not like we haven't had trouble makers and media whoring on this team: our beloved Mason made quite quite a stink about getting catches, Ray had a murder trial, Suggs held out for most of camp, CMac loved strippers and was never shy about admitting it, the Ravens still have not shaken the thug mentality, etc. Meh..maybe I am just being stupid, but all I know is that for all the problems people are bringing up, most of the Cowboys fan base are up in arms about this, and they still actually have a good receiving corps without Owens. Why?

[rlh445]

[quote name='20ReedsAll' post='165068' date='Mar 5 2009, 11:20 PM']I'm guessing you havnt seen the highlight reel catches of Fitz out jumping defenders in double/tripple coverage like it's a walk in the park. Fitzgerald would do fine w/out Boldin; Boldin would struggle a bit w/out Fitz.[/quote]


Lol, I have seen them, sir. And highlight reels are special because they are plays that don't happen all the time, otherwise they wouldn't be seen as highlights. Sure Fitz can occasionally get around the double/triple coverage, or jump around it. That doesn't mean he can do it every time, or that he should even be asked to. He is a phenom, and of that there is no doubt. But if he was the ONLY elite receiver on that team, do you think he would be doing that every pass down? The answer to that sir, is no.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='flynismo' post='165069' date='Mar 5 2009, 11:23 PM']Boldin was a stud while Fitz was in college. He doesn't need Fitz in order to be the elite wr that he is.

Both of these guys are elite players who benefit from the other, but do not need the other to be successful.[/quote]
Agreed. Hence why I think that Fitzgerald could ironically be more productive without Boldin, since Boldin is only taking catches away from Fitzgerald (and vice versa). It's amazing how they both still put up amazing numbers on the same team -- and it wasn't always the system, as former offensive coordinator Todd Haley had not joined Arizona until 2007, three seasons after Larry Fitzgerald made his NFL debut.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='rlh445' post='165078' date='Mar 5 2009, 11:33 PM']Lol, I have seen them, sir. And highlight reels are special because they are plays that don't happen all the time, otherwise they wouldn't be seen as highlights. Sure Fitz can occasionally get around the double/triple coverage, or jump around it. That doesn't mean he can do it every time, or that he should even be asked to. He is a phenom, and of that there is no doubt. But if he was the ONLY elite receiver on that team, do you think he would be doing that every pass down? The answer to that sir, is no.[/quote]
That's hard to say; Fitzgerald almost willed the Cardinals to victory in the Super Bowl, so I have to believe the possibility is there that Fitzgerald could continue to make highlight reel catches on every down (not literally). Sure, Kurt Warner had to make the throws, but it's not as if Warner was lighting it up all game with Fitzgerald. Other than Jerry Rice, I have rarely seen a WR do the things that Fitzgerald did on those last two scoring drives for the Cardinals in forcing himself to get open and extending for every catch.

The Steelers had done an admirable job of covering him all day, but it wasn't so much that Pittsburgh failed to cover him than Fitzgerald just plain playing on a different level in that 4th quarter.

[rlh445]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' post='165085' date='Mar 5 2009, 11:42 PM']That's hard to say; Fitzgerald almost willed the Cardinals to victory in the Super Bowl, so I have to believe the possibility is there that Fitzgerald could continue to make highlight reel catches on every down (not literally). Sure, Kurt Warner had to make the throws, but it's not as if Warner was lighting it up all game with Fitzgerald. Other than Jerry Rice, I have rarely seen a WR do the things that Fitzgerald did on those last two scoring drives for the Cardinals in forcing himself to get open and extending for every catch.

The Steelers had done an admirable job of covering him all day, but it wasn't so much that Pittsburgh failed to cover him than Fitzgerald just plain playing on a different level in that 4th quarter.[/quote]

Heh, I can concede that. He played like a man possessed at the end. I guess I just think that as a team, every player relies on every other player to be as good as they are, and no matter how great they are, if the others around them are not as good, or driven then their production may suffer. Boldin may have been a PIA at the end of the season, but you can't deny that his level of play elevated Fitz's, and vice versa. They would obviously be great on their own..but I just can't believe that any man, even Fitz could beat a double cover every time if he didn't have two other big threats on the field with him. Unless he was playing against the Browns.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='rlh445' post='165093' date='Mar 5 2009, 11:50 PM']Heh, I can concede that. He played like a man possessed at the end. I guess I just think that as a team, every player relies on every other player to be as good as they are, and no matter how great they are, if the others around them are not as good, or driven then their production may suffer. Boldin may have been a PIA at the end of the season, but you can't deny that his level of play elevated Fitz's, and vice versa. They would obviously be great on their own..but I just can't believe that any man, even Fitz could beat a double cover every time if he didn't have two other big threats on the field with him. Unless he was playing against the Browns.[/quote]
Well, you [i]are[/i] correct when you say that every player relies on every other player to be as good as they are. Football, after all, is the ultimate team sport. However, when I used Larry Fitzgerald in my previous example, I was referring to that rare sliver of greatness that certain players have, where they play well in spite of deficiencies in those around them or (in many cases) play at such a high level that their individual skill is magnified over all others. In other words, being "in the zone."

Larry Fitzgerald is a special case, however, because not only does he play above the level of his teammates, but he has teammates at his position that also produce at a high level. So Fitzgerald is in the zone [i]in spite of[/i] his teammates (ironically) playing [i]so well.[/i]

That, alone, magnifies his talent and provides reason as to his greatness.

Conversely, the opposite instance of this would be Andre Johnson, who plays at such a high level in spite of his teammates' flaws that it's almost as if they're irrelevant. Despite Terrell Owens' accolades, T.O. is not currently on Andre Johnson's level because Johnson has played with two different QBs in the [i]same season[/i] -- [u]two[/u] years in a row. And I don't know about you, but I'd be hard-pressed to pick Sage Rosenfels and Matt Schaub over Tony Romo.

That is why I cannot, in good conscience, classify Terrell Owens as the most dominant WR in the NFL today, when there are at least two perfectly good examples of WRs that have played as well (if not better) in spite of the talent around them. Additionally, these two players do what they do with class; I can't say the same for T.O., media or no media.

[BloodRaven]

Its weird, his age really caught up quickly. Two seasons ago he was absolutely dominant and one of the top 2 WRs, last season he was MUCH slower and his burst was gone. He was also struggling at times to beat the press and get open.


This isnt the TO of old, this is the declining TO, the one with so-so hands and diva tendencies. It also sounds like we're not interested.

[rlh445]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' post='165134' date='Mar 6 2009, 12:31 AM']Well, you [i]are[/i] correct when you say that every player relies on every other player to be as good as they are. Football, after all, is the ultimate team sport. However, when I used Larry Fitzgerald in my previous example, I was referring to that rare sliver of greatness that certain players have, where they play well in spite of deficiencies in those around them or (in many cases) play at such a high level that their individual skill is magnified over all others. In other words, being "in the zone."

Larry Fitzgerald is a special case, however, because not only does he play above the level of his teammates, but he has teammates at his position that also produce at a high level. So Fitzgerald is in the zone [i]in spite of[/i] his teammates (ironically) playing [i]so well.[/i]

That, alone, magnifies his talent and provides reason as to his greatness.

Conversely, the opposite instance of this would be Andre Johnson, who plays at such a high level in spite of his teammates' flaws that it's almost as if they're irrelevant. Despite Terrell Owens' accolades, T.O. is not currently on Andre Johnson's level because Johnson has played with two different QBs in the [i]same season[/i] -- [u]two[/u] years in a row. And I don't know about you, but I'd be hard-pressed to pick Sage Rosenfels and Matt Schaub over Tony Romo.

That is why I cannot, in good conscience, classify Terrell Owens as the most dominant WR in the NFL today, when there are at least two perfectly good examples of WRs that have played as well (if not better) in spite of the talent around them. Additionally, these two players do what they do with class; I can't say the same for T.O., media or no media.[/quote]


Lol, I was never arguing that T.O. is the most dominant WR in the NFL, and I would be hard pressed to say who I think that is, because there are quite a few receivers out there who could make that claim. I was only arguing the point you made about Fitz having success [i]in spite of[/i] having two other great receivers around him..which I thought was a flawed argument. I still think T.O. is much more naturally talented then your average receiver out there today....but I would never say he is the most dominant. Oh, and Andre Johnson is another outstanding receiver. But..he does have Slaton with the running game, so he isn't [i]totally[/i] alone.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='rlh445' post='165146' date='Mar 6 2009, 12:44 AM']Lol, I was never arguing that T.O. is the most dominant WR in the NFL, and I would be hard pressed to say who I think that is, because there are quite a few receivers out there who could make that claim. I was only arguing the point you made about Fitz having success [i]in spite of[/i] having two other great receivers around him..which I thought was a flawed argument. I still think T.O. is much more naturally talented then your average receiver out there today....but I would never say he is the most dominant. Oh, and Andre Johnson is another outstanding receiver. But..he does have Slaton with the running game, so he isn't [i]totally[/i] alone.[/quote]
I know you weren't arguing that T.O. is the most dominant WR in the NFL. Just had to throw in that one last barb for IQ because I was pressed for time earlier.

And as for Andre Johnson having the benefit of Steve Slaton, keep in mind that Slaton wasn't around in 2007 when the Rosenfels/Schaub revolving door at QB first happened and Johnson missed 7 games, or 2006 when Johnson had the other revolving door of David Carr/Sage Rosenfels.

Actually, that changes my previous argument slightly. Instead of two different starting QBs in the same season for two years, Andre Johnson has had to deal with it for [i]three[/i] years instead. Crazy stuff.

[flynismo]

[quote name='rlh445' post='165146' date='Mar 6 2009, 12:44 AM']Lol, I was never arguing that T.O. is the most dominant WR in the NFL, and I would be hard pressed to say who I think that is, because there are quite a few receivers out there who could make that claim. I was only arguing the point you made about Fitz having success [i]in spite of[/i] having two other great receivers around him..which I thought was a flawed argument. I still think T.O. is much more naturally talented then your average receiver out there today....but I would never say he is the most dominant. Oh, and Andre Johnson is another outstanding receiver. But..he does have Slaton with the running game, so he isn't [i]totally[/i] alone.[/quote]



I actually think you both have valid points. Having Boldin takes a huge load off Fitz, making Fitz' job easier. On the other hand, I see where Franchise is coming from too.

I'm inclined to agree with you on this, though. Boldin's presence still does not prevent Arizona from throwing Fitz' way 150+ times a season, because Az throws the ball more than anyone else in the league. That is not to take away from Fitz, but also, it is a fact.

Also, Andre Johnson is a beast....on the field, he is T.O. in his prime. But me personally, I don't think that anyone can dominate a game like Randy Moss, when Moss is the focal point of the offense. A 6'4" guy with 51" vertical and 4.20's forty, and hands of gold?? Lock him up Oz!!

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='flynismo' post='165169' date='Mar 6 2009, 01:48 AM']But me personally, I don't think that anyone can dominate a game like Randy Moss, when Moss is the focal point of the offense. A 6'4" guy with 51" vertical and 4.20's forty, and hands of gold?? Lock him up Oz!![/quote]
The funny thing is, no one complains about Randy Moss. Why? Because, unlike T.O., Moss doesn't divide locker rooms. He may show piss-poor effort during losing streaks, but he hasn't thrown QBs under the bus. For all of his controversy, Moss has a history, but has never gotten to the point where his team has been directly affected by his actions in a negative way.

[Bullrush]

The guy is turning 36 this season, that's pretty shocking. I thought he's around 31 or 32 now. But at 36 there's no way i want him on my team. Plus i don't want Flacco to have to deal with this guy each day when he's gonna complain about not getting enough balls thrown his way and all that stuff. We're trying to win games, TO just worries about his numbers.