Terrel Owens Just Cut!

[neepo13]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' post='164521' date='Mar 5 2009, 10:20 AM']The contract is supposed to be finalized over the next two weeks. If it'll really take that much time to draw up a contract, that's probably an indication that the wording will have VERY specific clauses -- possibly behavioral ones related to Ray's comments this past offseason?

Either way, getting back on-topic, I'm still paranoid that Dallas cut T.O. to make room for Ray. Except for the fact that the $9 million cap hit from releasing T.O. actually HURTS their chances of signing Ray and giving him the big payday he wants.[/quote]

Honestly, if Ray breaks his word and jumps ship he's dead to me. I am barely willing to take him back with open arms now.

[Tonymontana45]

Interesting post by James walker the AFC North blogger at espn- [url="http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afcnorth/0-2-190/Bring-T-O--to-Baltimore.html?post=true"]http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afcnorth/0-2-19....html?post=true[/url]

Bring T.O. to Baltimore

March 5, 2009 7:00 AM

Posted by ESPN.com's James Walker

Baltimore Ravens linebacker and emotional leader Ray Lewis recently said he likes receiver Terrell Owens and would enjoy being his teammate with the Dallas Cowboys.

At the time, it was a recruiting tool for Lewis to generate interest from Dallas. But could it work in reverse with the Ravens?

Lewis has a lot of influence in Baltimore. He just received a lucrative three-year contract so he can retire a career Raven. Therefore, if Lewis vouches for the embattled Owens, who was released Wednesday night by the Cowboys, the Ravens' front office would at least take a long, hard listen to what their team captain has to say.

There are some selling points for Lewis.

* For one, the Ravens are in the title hunt. Teams that have taken on Owens do so with hopes that his immense talent gets the team over the hump. The Ravens were within one quarter of making it to the Super Bowl last season. Adding Owens would put Baltimore among the early AFC favorites in 2009. A short-term rental also would alleviate the risk.

* There is much better leadership in Baltimore, with Lewis being the catalyst. Lewis felt he could come into Dallas and straighten up a locker room full of rebels. Bringing in one rebel to a solid locker room situation is much easier. If Lewis is the person doing the sell job to Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome, head coach John Harbaugh and owner Steve Bisciotti, Lewis will have to provide assurances that he will be the one to keep Owens in line. Nothing against quarterbacks Tony Romo or Donovan McNabb, but if anyone can pull off what those two couldn't, it's Lewis.

* Now that we got all the locker room stuff out of the way, Owens happens to be one of the top receivers in football and a big-play threat the Ravens have been searching for. Ravens second-year quarterback Joe Flacco has a big arm and Baltimore is eager to show it off a lot more next season. The Ravens are looking for big-play threats in the draft, but one of the best playmaking receivers in NFL history could be falling right into their lap.

Of course the move wouldn't be all rosy. There are some thorns.

Owens would cost a lot of money, even if it's a short-term proposition. And Baltimore may not want risk his antics of yelling and screaming for the football screwing up what is a blossoming talent in Flacco.

But this all goes back to Ray Lewis. He would be Flacco's protector, in a sense, and Owens' mediator off the field and in the locker room. There was no personality strong enough to pull it off in Dallas and Philadelphia, and that's where things went wrong.

Call me crazy, but the positives outweigh the negatives. For the short term and the right price, I'm all for Owens joining the AFC North and playing football for the Ravens in 2009.

T.O. doesn't fit on most NFL teams, but he fits in Baltimore thanks to the "Ray Ray factor."

Would the brain trust at "The Castle" in Owings Mills agree? We will find out soon enough as bidding for Owens starts today.

[RavensIQ]

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[RavensIQ]

[quote name='bigZ2222' post='164536' date='Mar 5 2009, 10:27 AM']very creative lol u got alot of spare time[/quote]

Yeah, just don't tell my boss

[organized_chaos52]

You could see this move coming. Why would Jerry make a heck of a deal for Roy Williams, then never use him ... besides the fact that he's out there! He'd be a primo receiver if he could just keep quiet and play! I saw a rumor saying Giants ... that would be interesting, specially if Plax comes back!

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='164531' date='Mar 5 2009, 10:25 AM']''Over three years with the Cowboys, Owens caught 235 passes for 3,587 yards and 38 touchdowns in 47 games. He led the NFL with 13 TDs receiving in 2006, his first season in Dallas.

Over his 13-year career, he's a five-time All-Pro and ranks second in career touchdowns, fifth in career yards receiving and sixth in career receptions. He turned 35 in December, but remains a physical specimen.'' -Quoted from the Baltimoresun

If that doesn't equal dominance then I don't know production looks like. It's so easy to go with the latest trend... T.O. is a cancer...Fittzgerald is the best...Andre Johnson is the best (which one is it?) but when it comes down to facing the truth somehow people find it hard to do.[/quote]
Over the same three-year span that T.O. was with the Cowboys and produced those numbers you quoted, Andre Johnson caught 278 passes for 3,573 yards and 21 touchdowns in 41 games. He missed 7 games in 2007, yet posted a mere 14 fewer yards than T.O. -- imagine if Johnson hadn't been injured for those 7 games.

Larry Fitzgerald in that same three-year span, on the other hand, posted 265 catches for 3,786 yards and 28 touchdowns in 44 games. And that was with Anquan Boldin on the other side of the field, as well -- imagine if Fitzgerald was without Boldin or Steve Breaston, taking away from his catches.

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='164531' date='Mar 5 2009, 10:25 AM']Bcuz Terrell Owens is the one who had the most infamous celebration. The sharpie is a classic. For goodness sake he got an endorsement from it. Terrell Owens started the WR celebration trend so it's only fitting that it's the "TO rule". And seriously, is this something you want to be a part of your argument? The No Fun League is something you support? Terrell Owens celebrations are classics.[/quote]
Wrong, the WR celebration trend started with Billy "White Shoes" Johnson.

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='164531' date='Mar 5 2009, 10:25 AM']No it means that Terrel Owens is not satisfied with just having a good record. It has nothing to do with past greats. It has everything to do with present desire. Maybe T.O. doesn't want to be included in that list of players you just mentioned after he retires? Maybe going 15-1 isn't acceptable bcuz they were so close to 16-0. 13-3 and yet they lose the first playoff game. FRUSTRATING!

It also has nothing to do with being a loser. You play to be a champion. Marino will never be considered the greatest QB of all time bcuz he was never a Champion. Add 3 rings into his resume and easily he is the greatest ever. Just bcuz you win in the regular season doesn't mean you can be contempt and settle. It's all about the Superbowl.[/quote]
It's not about settling for less -- it's about keeping things in perspective and playing the game with class. Yes, you play to be a champion, but that doesn't mean you do it at the expense of sportsmanship and your own reputation. And just as I know nothing about Terrell Owens' motivation, you don't neither. For all we know, T.O. could be happy with his stats and his money and can still go to bed at night without a championship. Or he could be an insomniac and his lack of a Super Bowl ring keeps him up at night. Who knows? And more importantly, who cares?

As it relates to our Baltimore Ravens, there is no need for Terrell Owens himself. Sure, there's a need for a player of Terrell Owens' [i]caliber[/i], but not of his character.

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='164531' date='Mar 5 2009, 10:25 AM']Another point you seem to forget is that Terrell Owens makes his QB's great. B4 T.O. how many pro bowls did Tony Romo make? After T.O. how many pro bowls did Garcia make? With out Terrell Owens it took Jeff Garcia 4-5 years to get back into the pro Bowl, but b4 hand...he made it 3 consecutive times back to back to back (just so happens T.O. was on his team at the time). When was the last time McNabb was in the Pro Bowl? 2004 when he had T.O.....hmmm I'm starting to see a pattern develop[/quote]
Another point that you seem to overlook, in spite of the success that Terrell Owens has brought his QBs, is how he's thrown them under the bus. With the exception of Steve Young because he retired and Tony Romo (but that's probably coming...), he has trashed Jeff Garcia in spite of how well Garcia has played even without T.O., and he's trashed Donovan McNabb who played at a high level even BEFORE T.O. and without a solid WR.

We don't need that in Baltimore, period.

[agpowell]

I do not want players like T.O in Baltimore as they are aging players who will cost too much money. Why do most people want to see their teams throwing away money in free agency? Quick-fix solutions to a problem are not the answer, we need long term depth, and the best way to do that is through the draft. Yes, you can patch certain positions for depth in free agency but there is no point spending the big money because you do not get value and it does not solve the long term problem. Why do some people think throwing away money at over priced free agents will bring you a championship? The Ravens do it the right way, draft and develop talent, instead of wasting money and cap room with expensive free agents.

[ItFigurs16]

What if Ray could play the middle man and talk TO into coming here kind of cheap. Because you know TO wants to go to the Super Bowl...and this team is already poised to make it without him...so if we could convince him to come here at a discounted price then he would get say from Oakland...then I don't think it would be all bad.

[RavensIQ]

You make great points Franchise but I don't think they are sufficient enough to say No to the positives T.O. would bring to the team.

*And about T.O.'s dominance...I think just for the fact that Andre, Terrell, and Larry have nearly identical stats proves my case.

*By the way did Billy Johnson inspire Cinco de Mayo to put put the football with the um, what's that thing called again? The endzone marker...Or, was it T.O.'s CPR on the football that apparently died in the endzone?

*I understand what yoiu're saying about sportsmanship but if that's the case then I guess there should be a rule for when LBs trash talk RBs. These guys physically beat each other every play, I doubt an endzone celebration is gonna be the dagger that makes them stay awake at night.

*Garcia STILL deserves to be hit by a bus! But that's besides the point. You only truly deserve to be run over by a bus when you choke in the superbowl. Just sp happens Owens gave McNabb a lil nudge when the greyhound was passing by.

*I think we all forget that McNabb's role in the Eagle's version of [i]Days of Our Lives[/i] was just as great as T.O.'s yet everyone (outside ofphilly) still loves McNabb. I think what did it for Owens was the Crunches in his driveway. But my theory behind that was the media wouldn't leave Owens alone(I mean they stalked him at his house), the media was looking for a story 24/7, so he had some fun, went out in his driveway and gave them one. I thought it was rather amusing.

[RavensIQ]

By the way I blame Rosenhaus...that grubby little man gets on my nerves.

[fear52]

He didn't want to come years ago, so I say No more T. O. in the NFL we are better off with out him!! Go tourment your own family and leave the NFL alone!!

[flynismo]

F@$& Terrell Owens.

[ryan23945]

[quote name='lgcs27288' post='164340' date='Mar 4 2009, 10:05 PM']what if he ends up with the Patriots? That would be crazy and I am pretty sure they have the cap space too![/quote]

i thought that myself at the end of the season, moss and owens, not mto mention welker, im pretty sure brady could make him into a great receiver again, and throw for 75 tds in the process, but not sure owens and moss could co exist, well let me rephrase that, not sure owens could co exist with moss, i think randys fine, he just wants to win period.

[3Zach21]

For all Ravens fans that want to sign Terrell Owens:

1. I question your fanhood.
2. He is on a decline.
3. 90 % of the WR's have better hands then he does.
4. He will, repeat, WILL be a distraction.
5. I question your fanhood.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='164568' date='Mar 5 2009, 10:56 AM']*And about T.O.'s dominance...I think just for the fact that Andre, Terrell, and Larry have nearly identical stats proves my case.[/quote]
No, it doesn't prove your case, because you said he was the [i]most dominant[/i] WR. There's a difference between being the absolute best (as you say) and playing second-fiddle to guys who have less to work with. Larry Fitzgerald? Other talented receivers chipping away at his stats, an old QB under center, and a questionable running game. Andre Johnson? Played with TWO different QBs -- in the same season. TWICE in those three years. And missed action. And had virtually no running game to help until Steve Slaton exploded at midseason last year.

T.O.? Oh, he only has a young stud QB with a solid #2 receiver in Terry Glenn for two of those three years, and a solid running game.

The Cowboys' star-studded roster gives him every opportunity to have success. The Cardinals, outside of their other two WRs, have nothing else to help Larry Fitzgerald. The Texans have absolutely NOTHING to help Andre Johnson.

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='164568' date='Mar 5 2009, 10:56 AM']*By the way did Billy Johnson inspire Cinco de Mayo to put put the football with the um, what's that thing called again? The endzone marker...Or, was it T.O.'s CPR on the football that apparently died in the endzone? [/quote]
There would be no Ocho Cinco or T.O. celebrations without Billy "White Shoes" Johnson making it the thing to do in the NFL. Just like there would be no celebratory Gatorade shower without Bill Parcells and the Giants.

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='164568' date='Mar 5 2009, 10:56 AM']*I understand what yoiu're saying about sportsmanship but if that's the case then I guess there should be a rule for when LBs trash talk RBs. These guys physically beat each other every play, I doubt an endzone celebration is gonna be the dagger that makes them stay awake at night.[/quote]
There's a difference between trash talk under the pile, and doing a celebration in the endzone with all eyes on you. And it's one thing to do a celebration to be funny; it's another thing to do a celebration just to give the equivalent of the middle finger to the other team.

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='164568' date='Mar 5 2009, 10:56 AM']*Garcia STILL deserves to be hit by a bus! But that's besides the point. You only truly deserve to be run over by a bus when you choke in the superbowl. Just sp happens Owens gave McNabb a lil nudge when the greyhound was passing by.[/quote]
So Tom Brady deserves to be thrown under the bus for choking two years ago? Matt Hasselbeck for choking four years ago? I don't know about you, but the Eagles defense had done its job and stopped the Patriots offense, there wouldn't be any talk of McNabb choking -- and McNabb's not exactly one of my, uh, favorites.

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='164568' date='Mar 5 2009, 10:56 AM']*I think we all forget that McNabb's role in the Eagle's version of [i]Days of Our Lives[/i] was just as great as T.O.'s yet everyone (outside ofphilly) still loves McNabb. I think what did it for Owens was the Crunches in his driveway. But my theory behind that was the media wouldn't leave Owens alone(I mean they stalked him at his house), the media was looking for a story 24/7, so he had some fun and went out in his driveway and gave them one. I thought it was rather amusing.[/quote]
McNabb and Owens both did their share of talking -- Owens just barked louder and made himself more of a spectacle. And no thanks, but I'd rather not have a star WR for the Ravens giving the media a show. I'll just keep it to press conferences and newspaper clippings.

[theblackdog]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' post='164592' date='Mar 5 2009, 11:13 AM']McNabb and Owens both did their share of talking -- Owens just barked louder and made himself more of a spectacle.[/quote]

Don't forget his loudmouth of an agent, especially with the spectacle of the "Next Question" press conference.

[FlaccoFlicker]

cowboys just cut s roy williams also

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='3Zach21' post='164588' date='Mar 5 2009, 11:10 AM']For all Ravens fans that want to sign Terrell Owens:

1. I question your fanhood.
2. He is on a decline.
3. 90 % of the WR's have better hands then he does.
4. He will, repeat, WILL be a distraction.
5. I question your fanhood.[/quote]

I question your intelligence.

But that would require an answer, which would require thought, which obviously you lack. So I don't expect a response.

[PuRock]

Didn't he already have a chanct to come to B-More? Oh yea - he dogged us to play with his boy McNabb. Which in the end he snubbed him.

Let's leave Owens out there for Dan Snyder to sign. He's played for the Eagles & Cowboys. Now its Snyders time to nab him.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='theblackdog' post='164606' date='Mar 5 2009, 11:22 AM']Don't forget his loudmouth of an agent, especially with the spectacle of the "Next Question" press conference.[/quote]
I remember watching the local feed of that on Philly's ABC6 Action News, and local correspondent David Henry asked Rosenhaus, "What have you done for him other than get him kicked off the team?"

NEXT QUESTION!

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' post='164623' date='Mar 5 2009, 11:30 AM']I remember watching the local feed of that on Philly's ABC6 Action News, and local correspondent David Henry asked Rosenhaus, "What have you done for him other than get him kicked off the team?"

NEXT QUESTION! [/quote]

That was pretty funny.

[neepo13]

Dont forget Harbaugh was in Philly when the T.O. saga went down. So he knows more about the situation then any of us do.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='neepo13' post='164628' date='Mar 5 2009, 11:32 AM']Dont forget Harbaugh was in Philly when the T.O. saga went down. So he knows more about the situation then any of us do.[/quote]
That might be the only thing that would allow me to accept T.O. in a Ravens uniform, if he has Harbaugh's stamp of approval.

But, that'll still be tough to deal with.

[FlaccoFlicker]

im iffy on the whole thing really while i want us to win and t.o. would be a nice target for joe, i just don't know if the drama would come with t.o.,but then again we are arguing over something that isn't a reality...yet

[Armani Nickerson IV]

Owens would be a good fit for the Ravens.

He was not nearly as big of a problem as the media made him out to be. Just because the Cowboys cut ties with him
doesn't mean it was a smart decision.

Most Cowboys fans I have spoke to on the matter are pretty upset about this.

The Dallas media circus was just not a smart place for him to go after how things turned out in Philadelphia. He is 35 and his next chance is probably going to be his last chance.

He wants to win and this has to be a humbling experience.

My prediction is the Ravens or Patriots will take a flyer on him. Low risk deal for the team. He'll have to prove himself to stay somewhere.

Yes he is on the decline but that's what happens when your 35. He is still a physical freak and is still better than 85% of the receivers out there.

[PuRock]

But what happens when we run the ball too much for TO's approval? He starts yelling at Harbaugh, making a mockery of our team?

[FlaccoFlicker]

[quote name='PuRock' post='164636' date='Mar 5 2009, 11:34 AM']But what happens when we run the ball too much for TO's approval? He starts yelling at Harbaugh, making a mockery of our team?[/quote]
no cuz then he gets knocked out by sizzle

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='PuRock' post='164636' date='Mar 5 2009, 11:34 AM']But what happens when we run the ball too much for TO's approval? He starts yelling at Harbaugh, making a mockery of our team?[/quote]
[quote name='FlaccoFlicker' post='164637' date='Mar 5 2009, 11:35 AM']no cuz then he gets knocked out by sizzle[/quote]
Correction: he gets knocked out by Ray Lewis and benched. He won't be released because there'll probably be money due his way, even with all the behavioral clauses in the world. I doubt he and the NFLPA would agree to one where the Ravens would owe him $0.00 if he slips up.

[PuRock]

[quote name='FlaccoFlicker' post='164637' date='Mar 5 2009, 11:35 AM']no cuz then he gets knocked out by sizzle[/quote]

Just what we need, more Sizzle incidents.

[neepo13]

[quote name='PuRock' post='164636' date='Mar 5 2009, 11:34 AM']But what happens when we run the ball too much for TO's approval? He starts yelling at Harbaugh, making a mockery of our team?[/quote]

I agree I dont want T.O. here but thats not going to fly here. Mac tried to test Harbaugh and he's looking for a job right now. Owens will find himself on the bench if he pulls that crap. But of course he will pull it, so why even waste the time.